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[Beck] Casey Mize said the glove change was a result of plate umpire John Tumpane saying the color was too light. He has been using the glove all year. Mize: "I think the timing was pretty shitty, because everybody thinks I'm using sticky stuff now."

[Beck] Casey Mize said the glove change was a result of plate umpire John Tumpane saying the color was too light. He has been using the glove all year. Mize: "I think the timing was pretty shitty, because everybody thinks I'm using sticky stuff now."

AkimboChainz

[Same thing happened in the DBacks game](https://twitter.com/BALLYSPORTSAZ/status/1405021781891727362?s=19) . both had grey gloves with grey jerseys Edit - according to MLB rule 3.07(a) "The pitcher’s glove may not, exclusive of piping, be white, gray, nor, in the judgment of an umpire, distracting in any manner." So by too light Mize is saying it used to be darker but he's used it all year so its faded to a lighter color


bduddy

I mean the rule seems pretty clear. No grey gloves.


LunchThreatener

Mize was upset because he’s used the same glove all year and never been called out for it. The Royals didn’t say anything about it either, and they take his glove the DAY a major policy surrounding sticky substances is announced? It’s pretty ridiculous. Also the glove was definitely more charcoal than gray.


starlesscity

[The glove he started with vs. the glove he changed to.](https://twitter.com/blessyouboys/status/1405002741156614144?s=19) Really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.


T_Stebbins

I'm curious if his glove was also blending in with the Batter's Eye as well here.


omegakukki

Umps blind and can’t tell the difference between those two colors anymore


TrophyGoat

What is the competitive advantage of a light glove? Trevor Rogers uses a school bus yellow glove. Genesis Cabreras is straight up baby blue


GhostMavericks

He actually switched to the lighter glove from the darker one lol


cardith_lorda

A white (or close enough to white) glove can be deceiving for batter to watch as a pitcher delivers the ball. Their eyes can either look for the white and lose the ball trying to track the white of the glove, or the glove can act as a white backdrop making it difficult to pick up the ball mid flight.


Wraithfighter

See also why Tyler "I pitch at ankle height" Rogers keeps his white shoes VERY clean...


giants888

Just have the umpires release a statement post-game that explains why they asked for any change in equipment for that game. For example: Casey Mize - glove color upset the home plate umpire


bxfhnc

It’s more likely the batters complained and then the ump forced the change due to it technically being within the rules.


Tiberius_B

Supposedly it was specifically the umpire who took it upon himself as none of the royals complained about it. Which is part of the reason Mize was upset


AmateurHippopotamus

If the glove was causing the umpire to not track the ball then that makes total sense to me.


Tiberius_B

I didnt even think of that


MaiqDaLiar1177

Young Gerrit Cole is very likeable. I hope he has a successful career with the Tigers


whattanerd92

Baby Ben Askren throws real well


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LunchThreatener

They won their division 4 times in a row less than a decade ago


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Tkinzel517

They didn’t talk to douchebags like you bro


LunchThreatener

What did he say?


BlackCloudDiner143

This is gonna be such a rocky road. Players wanted a crackdown on illegal substances, but now that they got it every pitcher is going to have some excuse why they aren’t part of the problem. Then the broadcasters are gonna start with the “ump show” nonsense to delegitimize the process. Then the fans are gonna be calling for robots to test the balls.


porkinthepark

This has nothing to do with illegal substances. He was told his glove was a color that was against the rules, he was told to get rid of it.


Ghalnan

If Mize was "part of the problem" he wouldn't have been allowed to come out the next inning only having to change his glove. The substance check policy isn't even being implemented until next Monday, fans talking out their ass and spreading misinformation is a much an issue as anything you just listed.


streeturchin94

Good thing it had nothing to do with illegal substances and if you do a little bit of research on Mize and his spin rates it's very obvious he's not using anything Not to mention Hinch doesn't exactly have a ton of room for having guys on his roster get caught using this shit


nickht571998

Your talking out your ass bro


kingfiasco

glasnow hit the nail on the head. make the change/enforcement in the offseason. this will turn into a shit show. owners loving it cause it’s gonna fuck up the whole CBA talks with what’s acceptable, punishment, etc. so now it’s a media front bargaining chip. meanwhile pitchers are stuck in limbo the rest of the season. blech


TypicalWhiteGiant

Wasn’t there an entire article about how MLB has built a massive archive of data, video and physical evidence (balls taken from games) to target specific pitchers with this. It has to be done mid season so guys can’t just say “oh I worked on stuff over the off-season and added a ton of spin. I’m being unfairly targeted”. They have ample in season data to compare before/after the change was made.


kingfiasco

i’m not familiar with that article. i don’t agree it would have to be done mid season. it could be that pitchers would use season by season as a scapegoat, like you mentioned. but that would only be front facing to fans. GMs, scouts, and development would be privy to the change and how it’s affecting pitchers. they can then act accordingly for how they’d construct their pitching staff for 2022. enforcing and changing the regs mid season just seems like it will hurt pitchers rather than help the game.


TypicalWhiteGiant

If this was coming out of nowhere maybe I’d agree but this has 1) been building for 2 years 2) been publicly talked about increased enforcement as far back as Spring Training and 3) ALWAYS been against the rules!!


kingfiasco

yeah, i get what you’re saying. i know it’s been on the burner the past couple of years and has really gotten out of control. i can’t say whether teams should have been prepped for this and if MLB implements a rule mid season, clubs should have expected it. i think it’s just such an interesting situation that should be dealt with in the offseason. this isn’t something like the Posey rule where MLB regulates for the sake of player safety. i don’t know man, i’m definitely opposed to the MLB making this punishment schedule mid season because of the harsh transition that will be required from pitchers. i know, “dems da rules” but just think they can wait till november and work it in fairly with the next CBA


Next_Gen_Nyquil_

We all mocked the MLB for not policing the sticky stuff. All the while the MLB was saying exactly what they were going to do, and no one said a word. Then they do what they say and start policing the sticky stuff and people complain. I dont get it, man


TerribleHelicopter44

humanity is not a monolith?


LunchThreatener

No, people just like to complain.


MiniCornDogLover

I mean they definitely did send some warnings out in the off season and say they could collect baseballs for league office investigation. Then like 9 no hitters in two months happened to start the season and all time low league stats, this really shouldn’t have caught anyone off guard


ron-darousey

I'm surprised this comment is upvoted because Glasnow is getting hammered in other threads lol


TrapperJean

>Then the fans are gonna be calling for robots to test the balls [Hmm](https://images.app.goo.gl/ZzX1wQxMN7bwRuWr6)


bellj1210

he should be fine- was not ejected and just got a new glove... not the solution to using sticky stuff. Sort of thing happens all the time.


WIN011

Sounds like the ump put him in quite the sticky situation


GhostMavericks

This was so ridiculous ump doing this just because they can and the league has successfully vilified the players in the "sticky stuff" scandal when the league turned a blind eye to this forever. Going after Mize's glove that hes used in every start is just bullshit, he even has worn sleeves, so its not like hes even using sunscreen and rosin. Just so stupid.


BlackCloudDiner143

Ummm...how do you not vilify the players in a players cheating scandal???


GhostMavericks

Because the league has done nothing about this and known about it for years. If this was a new thing where the league just started cracking down it would be different but they've known about this stuff for a long long time just decided to do something about it now. The league literally came out and said that players would not get in trouble when they collected balls to start the season, and now they've changed their mind with the media catching wind. This is the leagues fault that it's gotten this out of hand. I'm not saying that using the stuff is good, but the handling of this situation has been absolutely attrocious.


Minoripriest

>The league literally came out and said that players would not get in trouble when they collected balls to start the season, and now they've changed their mind with the media catching wind. This is the leagues fault that it's gotten this out of hand. And no one got in trouble from the balls they collected.


GhostMavericks

The problem is the league decided to just now to change their mind because the media got a hold of what was going on. Not because of what they found but because it was bad publicity


notsaying123

It's everyone's fault. Players for doing it. Teams for hiring guys to improve their guys doing it. MLB for ignoring it. There's no one party who's at fault.


GhostMavericks

For sure, the league handling it this poorly is just amplifying it. But it's pretty par for the course with Manfred at the helm. Manfred has been dead silent still, he's been in hiding about this entire thing.


BlackCloudDiner143

So you’re upset the league waited too long to address it and now your complaint is they should have waited longer?


GhostMavericks

I'm saying the league waited to long to do something about it, and now they are panicking and handling the situation horribly.


MFoy

This isn't a cheating scandal, this is an enforcement scandal. MLB was not properly enforcing the rules the way they should have. If the players aren't doing everything to win they can, that's on them.


AmateurHippopotamus

Where are you getting that this is a foreign substance issue and not just a color issue?


GhostMavericks

He has used that glove all year


AmateurHippopotamus

Ok. So where are you getting that this is a foreign substance issue and not just a color issue? Color determinations like this are done by the umpire and the remedy is to change the equipment. Exactly like what happened here. The remedy for using a foreign substance is ejection. Exactly not what happened here.


GhostMavericks

They literally arent even punishing for foreign substances until after the 21st. Mize has used the same glove literally all year. This was incredibly bad timing for an ump to even pull this and it looks terrible, Mize even explained that he was pissed because now it looks like he was cheating because thats how public perception works. I dont know what you want in a response here.


AmateurHippopotamus

I want to know where this idea is coming from because right now it sounds like a nonsense conspiracy theory. Why is it not possible that this specific umpire was having trouble tracking the ball from this specific glove and had it changed? This is what you'd expect that to look like. Makes perfect sense. That seems way more plausible than an umpire going rogue and changing the remedy listed in the rulebook for this alleged infraction. This procedure looks exactly like what you'd expect when a pitcher is using a glove the umpire deems in violation of the rules. This procedure looks nothing like what you'd expect if the issue was a foreign substance. So why is it that this time a foreign substance issue looks like this when all other times the pitcher just gets ejected?


GhostMavericks

I mean, you could just read what I said.


AmateurHippopotamus

Right. But none of it answers why this can't be what it looks like, why can't this just be a color issue? Color issues are judgement calls by the umpire, so 1 umpire can find a glove distracting while other umpires may judge differently. That's kinda what judgement calls are. This is why the fact that he's used the glove all year isnt particularly useful information.


GhostMavericks

> This was incredibly bad timing for an ump to even pull this and it looks terrible, Mize even explained that he was pissed because now it looks like he was cheating because thats how public perception works.


AmateurHippopotamus

Since some people might perceive this to be about foreign substances, that means it is? What? That's not how things work though.


oneluv_hug

Don't forget that the Astros got off scotts-free for cheating but sure let's harass pitchers.


robmcolonna123

I agree the Astros players should have been further reprimanded (the team did lose draft picks which is huge), but the lack of punishment should not set a precedent that players can cheat and get away scott free. The Astros players should have been penalized, as should the pitchers


meniinem

You have it wrong. The astros are singled out as the cheating team when the Red Sox Yankees and other teams were doing the same things. No pitchers are getting singled out here. They’re all gonna be equally affected by this


NoCokJstDanglnUretra

Link? First time hearing about this


meniinem

Sure. https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/o18we7/ryan_m_spaeder_thread_unloading_on_other_teams/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


DMB_19

I mean the pitchers are getting the same treatment the Astros did: “We know you’re cheating, so stop it or you will be punished”. If a player is caught cheating from this day forward they will be punished. They won’t be punished for what they did in the past. I don’t know if the MLB feels that they need to have a specific rule in place in order to punish players, but that seems to be how they handle cheating.


Mattie_Doo

I’m trying to understand how the color of the glove affects the game.


pitirre1970

Harder for the hitter to pick up the ball.


elconquistador1985

Same reason there's a "batters eye" in the outfield. It distracts hitters.


grodges1

I'm going to go ahead and guess that it was actually because of something else and not really the color of the glove. ump just didn't want to kick him out


cooljammer00

Umps have made people change pieces of clothing or gear before randomly. But sure why it would change now


UsedToBeBradfordTwo

Guilty until proven innocent