By - chrisdh79
Just to provide some context as someone with experience in this area:
A company actually being caught and reprimanded for doing something illegal during a union campaign is a fairly big deal, even though they won't suffer meaningful consequences. There are a ton of things employers will routinely do to stop union organizing that fall into three categories:
* Legal (Example: forcing people to go to anti-union meetings on work time)
* Questionably legal (Example: firing a employees involved with union activities on trumped up charges for something else like poor performance)
* Definitely illegal (Examples: monitoring employee off-the-clock communications, firing union organizers for their union activities without another excuse)
Now, Apple was almost certainly doing the first two categories of things to every extent possible, because all employers do. The fact that they were also dabbling in the third is also (unfortunately) not surprising, but the fact that they did it in a way that they couldn't hide is just sloppy on their part.
Anyway, just thought I'd provide that context.
Did they break the law? Or not? NLRB are hardly an unbiased reliable arbiter of reason.
> Did they break the law?
According to the law or according to NLRB
>Did they break the law? Or not?
I am not sure what the answer to the question is. It's most likely the answer that pisses you off the most
Oh no… one unbiased gov org working on the behalf of workers as opposed to literally all of the other orgs which are violently pro-capitalist exploitation (see railway vote for more).
And the NLRB is still a neoliberal pro-capitalist organization. It just bends very slightly towards workers sometimes. Literally the board was created to tamp down on labor militancy which was threatening capital. Capitalists created a “steam vent” for labor to work through which would effectively neuter the threat. And it’s worked wonders in that regard. America went from the brink of a real socialist revolution due to hyper-exploitation to completely neutered, neoliberal, never question the boss mentality within less than 100 years. We’re back to, and in many ways worse than, the days of the robber barons of the early 1900s. Wealth accumulation and worker exploitation (profits (labor’s surplus value) taken compared to labor productivity is incredibly out of control even compared to those dark days of the mid Industrial Revolution. People just act like (and this is an extremely right wing/fascist/nazi framing btw, just be aware when you hear it) “because we have it so good” now ie we have phones and, I dunno, McDonald’s that we aren’t being exploited. We are. More than ever and increasing daily) is worse than it’s ever been.
Very well said bestie. And we don’t know how to fix it because so many other things are failing… and so many other things, lol
> Did they break the law?
It’s right there in the title
The NLRB said that in the title.
Union shops also have demonstrably safer, more productive and higher paid workplaces. It’s democracy in the workplace, that means it has all the good and bad of democracy.
Corrupt union which gets you better benefits vs corporations which will bend you over and no-lube blown your backside out. Hard decision there.
Btw, this is an extremely right wing/fascist talking point you’re making. For those unaware, right wingers like to equate unions to corporations/companies. However, this shows their bad faith and/or ignorance.
Unions are, in theory and often in practice, democratic in nature. Leaders are elected, votes are taken for contract negotiations, formation of the union, strikes, etc. If a union becomes destructive to these ends due to the influences of capitalists, workers could dissolve or reform the union with new leaders as they wish. The power of unions resides in the workers first and solely.
Corporations are inherently undemocratic. Votes are not held for the pay of workers, or the capitalist leeches, votes aren’t held for vacation days granted to workers, holidays for workers, profit reinvestment or distribution, work day hours, work rules, etc. None of this is voted on by those who produce the surplus value (ie profits). If it’s voted on at all it’s capitalist leeches at the top, CEOs, other officers, and “investors” ie the capitalist leeches who own stock in public corporations or private companies it’s basically just one or a handful of people who decide all of this. Absolutely zero say for the workers. AT BEST they’ll do frivolous polling of “oh do you want coffee in the break room?” As if that free coffee compensates you for the 50-99% of your surplus-value (usually near the 90% area btw) they stole. “Yeah we stole $50k from you last year, but hey, COFFEE!”
But hey, the unions are “corrupt.” Just listen to your boss. He has your best interests in mind. He’s not robbing you blind. The boss is like your father. He loves you. Bow to daddy. Never question.
Funny how right wingers who are so anti elitist (in their rhetoric) will bow and bend to the ultra-wealthy who stole and steal everything from the other 99%. They started the mainstream usage of the word “cuck” but, in classic fashion, it was just projection for their own cuckholdery to their bosses!
If you don’t own the business and/or own substantial (ten of millions of dollars worth) stock and/or a massive leeching landlord then you’re fucking and cucking yourself by not unionizing. Don’t like existing unions? Make a fucking new one.
So are corporations!