Couldn't have said it better myself...
By - _-MadIsoN-_
Sending this to my boomer dad 👀👀
if he could use email he'd be very upset
Here, I'll beat him to it, because I already fucking know.
"Get a better job!"
You know, because every single person can just do that.
Every single person on earth has, or even *needs*, a job at all.
Thank God weed lets me disassociate from this reality.
“I’d get a better job if your old ass retired and opened it for me!”
Bro this!!! They will work until like 70 and all their coworkers are the same age so they run the show and won't let people in
So. Much. This. Every domain of my fucking life has the Boomer Wall.
Buddy is an aviation mechanic and he deals with this everytime lol
Because we can't AFFORD to retire!
I love you
Lol, you're awesome.
Cheers bro, I'll smoke to that
Thanks for the reminder to hit the dispensary. You’re right.
Excessive (read:daily) pot use leads to schizophrenia… just wanted to put that out there. Too much of anything is a bad thing
Yeah. Like this perpetual groundhog day we all live in.
Extremely bad for the mind.
Edit: Hey, I do appreciate the thought, though.
Excessive (read: daily) exploited slave labor leads to bootlickeritis... just wanted to put that out there. Too much of ***anything*** (including being an overworked slave) is a bad thing.
I’m a daily weed smoker, it’s not like I’m against it 😂 fuck off lol
you should probably just shut up and listen to your dad
The future is now old man!
You morons realise that not every boomer is wealthy? Just like some millennials and zoomers aren’t just phone and social media obsessed underachievers.
Found the boomer lol jk man. My comment was aimed at the fact that people in that generation are blind to the conditions of what is going on now and think everything is fine and when the subject of discussing change or whar changes should be made then that generation usually likes to say "get over it".
The difference is, the slave quarters and the slop have been outsourced, and your ownership is constantly changing hands.
They tried to convince us that choosing our masters meant we're *free*, yet we're told to really sell ourselves in interviews.
Doesn't feel like freedom. Especially when I was slaving for a fast food clown franchise, desperate for that next paycheck to make rent to my slumlord, stomach growling against my backbone while I wore a Barbie-quality service-smile and bagged up food for other people, knowing full well I'd spend my "lunch break" starving if I couldn't find a friendly manager to promo off a "dollar sandwich" that costs about 3 cents worth of ingredients to the franchise owner.
you could quit your job and you still wouldnt be free, just broke.
thats why i get triggered when some idiot tells me shit like "be happy. in china you would be hanged for saying/doing this!" yeah china sucks no shit....
they actually believe in that fake freedom. just try not paying a stupid tax that you shouldnt be paying or sell some weed and you will see how free you are.
Id just like to point out that more people are imprisoned in America than in China. What does that tell you about our perception of freedom
Imprisoned in jail.. Chinese are imprisoned by propaganda and the CCP. Fuck the CCP. Remember 1989, tianenmen square
So is the united states.... we arguably have the most effective propaganda machine this world has ever seen
Yup. People believe it’s normal to work to live. Really we should only have to work for things we want, not things we need
>>>Really we should only have to work for things we want, not things we need
Say it ***LOUDER*** for the bootlickers in the back!!!
You say it
I'm agreeing with you, weirdo
they would just call you a dumb and lazy communist who doesnt understand how the world works.
i dont get what we even pay taxes for, when we dont even get support from the government. so they have the money to get armed people to force me into giving them even more money? so they can build themselves a palast? so they can take away the rest of my freedom if i do something they simply dont like, like selling weed or being gay?
atleast here in germany we have some socialistic features, but even if you simply get unlucky, you are fucked forever and even here you get threatened with literal psychological torture if you dont deal with their bullshit.
imagine you sell some weed or didnt pay a stupid tax and you get thrown in prison. then you dont wanna accept the bullshit they enforce on you and you fight back. suddenly you are completely alone in a room for 23h a day. at this point you could just kill me. all because you didnt want to be a modern slave or someone elses bitch....
In the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism\_(social\_offense)you would be thrown in jail for not working, Communism sucks.
I would definitely be making sure every meal was free if they weren't going to pay right.
Luckily for me, my roommate/coworker understood about my upbringing and knew I wouldn't sneak food for myself, so she developed a routine whenever she got assigned to work in the kitchen.
She'd wait until the manager stepped out, then call me urgently back to the kitchen. When I opened my mouth to ask what she needed, she'd pop a chicken nugget wrapped in half a slice of cheese into my mouth and then cheerfully ask "Doesn't that taste just like breakfast?!" which usually tricked me into standing there chewing and pondering her question instead of freaking out about getting caught "stealing."
For a huge chunk of Americans, it hasn't even been outsourced. I work in public assistance and everyday I see people who I know will work themselves to the bone for the rest of their life and won't have a penny to their name to show for it in the end. Just round they go on the poverty merry go round.
In America we give them just enough to not literally die, but only barely. But there's no hope at more for them. Wake up, work, get high, got to sleep. Rinse, repeat..
Hidden slavery is big business and a lot of time and money is put into brainwashing labor to keep choosing things that go against your interests.
We absolutely exist in a society that is supported, at the bottom level, by slavery.
The only difference between the slavery of the plantation era and the slavery of the modern era is that the slave has to pay their own rent in this modern era.
The slave, or the wage worker, still doesn't have access to the finest areas of the country. Step foot in a community of affluent people as a person in a 20 year old car wearing aftermarket clothes or whatever and you're going to have a problem pretty quick.
So they've herded us into city-centers, often in grocery deserts, and typically pay us such a small wage that we are forced to seek government aid, and are entirely dependent on each paycheck to survive.
We have been tricked into thinking that this is the way, and that trick has been propagated by the people at the top who have never worked. They will never work as long as they're able to hand their money down to their children.
You missed the part about how globalization allowed us to export a lot of slavery to the Global South. Many (most?) products imported to developed countries are produced by slaves in previously colonized countries.
And then we in developed countries can lean back and say "hey, don't complain about your job, it's worse in [country whose labour laws dev. countries exploit]". Worst joke in history.
If the alternative to working is homelessness, starvation and death, then work isn’t a choice and we are slaves.
Back before I worked my ass off to buy brand name clothes right off the website people used to literally exclaim out loud "his clothes look like they're from Wal-Mart" and would treat you with disgust and disdain. Walking down the hallway at work to walking up the aisle in a movie theater, literally heard that multiple times until I got sick of it and just started buying brand name stuff and now people shut the fuck up. It's so stupid yet it's true people treat you differently just on basic things like how new your clothing looks, where it's from and what you drive (God forbid you have to take the bus). Facts.
*"We have been tricked into thinking that this is the way, and that trick has been propagated by the people at the top who have never worked. They will never work as long as they're able to hand their money down to their children."*
Ok but how can I make this fit into a hat, which I will then wear just as obnoxiously as the MAGA crowd did their dumb hats
T-shirt or poster, bro/sis
>>>The slave, or the wage worker, still doesn't have access to the finest areas of the country. Step foot in a community of affluent people as a person in a 20 year old car wearing aftermarket clothes or whatever and you're going to have a problem pretty quick.
Damn this rings so close to home. People take one glance at my profile and talk shit about my yeezys and Jordans without realizing the fact I invested in those was because I was tired of being laughed at, ridiculed and being condescendingly looked down upon and shit talked by dumbass people everywhere I went for wearing basic clothes and sandals. You cannot understand the amount of scorn and bullshit I received before I started buying brand name clothing and nice shoes. Now people compliment me instead of insulting me. People really are superficial anywhere you go and will treat you based on how new your clothes look and whether they're off brand or brand name on a variety of levels. Nothing but truth!!!
That seems like a personal problem lol. Save your money.
It's not a personal problem "lol" because I have lots of yeezys and jordans now. It also directly ties into what op was saying about your clothes not being nice enough for certain areas and being looked down upon. And now I don't have random pieces of shit looking down on me because of my clothes and shoes. My shit's nicer than theirs so now I get to be the one that scoffs at them. Fuck saving my money when the currency is collapsing anyway. What am I going to do? Save every penny and look like a mediocre bum and have people talk shit or spend my money and look nice af and shut them up? Tough choice. New shoes and clothes please!
It's a personal problem that you give a shit what idiots think. Without the Yeezys and Jordans, they aren't better than you.
It gets annoying when it happens frequently. I realized I needed to look better because "being me" clearly wasn't good enough. I'd rather them be envious than condescending.
> Step foot in a community of affluent people as a person in a 20 year old car wearing aftermarket clothes or whatever and you're going to have a problem pretty quick.
eh, I dont agree with this. I would agree that a POC might have problems entering affluent areas but an older car/not nice clothes aren't going to be a problem for white people. Not that it makes it better.
The boomers I’ve met who think that owning one nice thing like a vintage car means someone shouldn’t get government aid beg to differ. To them, the aesthetic is the only thing they care about.
If you try it you'll realize.
Well I am actually speaking as someone who has driven beat down cars in nice areas. I never had a problem.
I have a newish car now but didn’t for most of my life, like one of my cars used duck tape to keep a window closed type stuff. I never had an issue.
I don’t dress that nice either. I think it is bc I am white.
I've had it go the whole other way, but I suppose I'm more known for charisntma and bad luck.
I somehow blundered my way into being a lawyer, despite - unlike roughly all of my classmates - not coming from some rich and well respected family.
I've been treated like garbage by every tailor I've been to, treated like the help at events or parties, treated like a misplaced child by anyone who knows I was supposed to be there, outright ignored by anyone who doesn't, and I typically have to show a lot more ID to get into anything than you'd expect.
Weirdly, I'm almost always better received in a faded metal shirt, ratty jeans, and running shoes falling apart at the seams, instead of in the suit and tie.
I grew up middle class. And I am neurodivergent,so I don’t fit in a lot of places but I just fake it. It usually works. I can only fake it for like 10 mins though.
Modern wage slavery (in wealthy countries) is obviously fucking terrible and we’re all miserable, but don’t equate it with antebellum slavery. I mean Jesus Christ.
Is there a time in history where quality of life was better than now?
Edit* not a single serious answer? What a shame, surely its the basis of this subreddit to be able to argue that point
Yes, the 1960s were far more stable and comfortable for the average person than today, in the 60s you could buy a house for an average of 2 years wages, now it's 20, and the average worker payed lower taxes back then because the wealthy actually paid their taxes. Food, rent, medicine, all the essentials of life were much cheaper which meant that people worked fewer hours, and therefore had more leisure time to cook and eat healthy food (rather than eat crap cause you're too exhausted from your 55 hour a week job to cook properly), people had more third spaces, the average person was the member of 2 clubs outside of work or home including social clubs, sports clubs, and unions (because in the 60s most jobs were unionised which meant there was less wage theft and labour violations). Nowadays the lack of third spaces, especially third spaces where you don't have to fork over money that many don't have, means that rates of depression, anxiety, and fucking suicide are higher than ever before because we are lonelier than we've ever been.
You may want to say, yeah but we have the internet now, and gay rights but I say that that is irrelevant, there is no law of nature that says more technology/ social progress= more economic suffering. In economic terms the average person is poorer today than 60 years ago and it's morally abhorant and you have no justification for that reality
/u/anynamewilldo9 heres your answer...
Where's the fucker now huh? Silence.
Read that anyname you bootlicking asswipe
Ye i usually am silent when i sleep. Im not even american so i dont have a clue what your showing me but thanks anyway
Like you just said in your very last point, theres no link between social progress and economic suffering yet most of your points were about having more money to spend back then. When was life better than now? Not just when did we have more money. I dont think gay rights the internet are irrelevent at all in fact id say civil rights have been the cornerstone of modern society
But even then your initial implied point, life is better now because we have better civil rights, has no relation to the implied argument of this sub, that worsening economic conditions for the average person are bad. You've just admitted your point was a non sequitur.
Edit: to clarify, yes money doesn't solve all problems but when people complain about economic insecurity which has been directly linked to increasing rates of suicide and you say "hm yes but you can have gay sex now" like yeah it's good that people like me are no longer persocuted for our sexualities but like, if I can't find a job with my STEM degree from a good university and so I'm forced to live with my homophobic parents by economic means then those gay rights advances are almost negligible to my material reality. Some level of economic security is required for people to be happy and right now the majority of folks are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford a small emergency so yes life is worse now.
What does that have to do with wanting better for ourselves now?
> Is there a time in history where quality of life was better than now?
I imagine victims of genocide would argue "yes, the time before we were being genocided." So maybe just shut the fuck up.
What you on about?
Oh. Holy shit. You're a child that's never heard of genocide.
Yes, the years 2150 to 3150 give or take a millennium. This was the time of Star Trek, when the quality of life was much better than it is today.
Depends on what you mean by quality of life, and for who.
And your point is?
I hope it's not the usual shit of blah blah blah it was badderer in the past so the bad at the moment is just that and you can just take that shit. ..
It's really not.
What makes it not a good question? I'm actually curious now. How would you define better?
It's an irrelevant question with a lot of unstated assumptions and definitions. Its entire purpose is to terminate any kind of discussion, which is typical of authoritarians coming here and acting smarmy for supporting the status quo.
The definition of "quality of life" is going to differ depending on the era and culture. Like currently, quality of life in the US includes access to the internet. In the 1800s it's not a part of the equation. But the question implies that life was worse prior to the internet because it's now largely seen as a necessity.
Certain cultures didn't participate in slavery or genocide of any kind. So when some loser says that *now is the best time ever in history*, well, that's definitely not true for a lot of enslaved and genocided people and their ancestors. It stinks of privilege and an unwillingness to critically look at the reality people face.
And suppose we did just answer "In ~1300 CE, those who would become known as the Sioux had a higher quality of life than they do now." What does that accomplish? What's the response to that that's relevant in a post about modern wage slavery? "Oh, I see, that's cool, I still think wage slavery is ok."?
The only bitch here is you, bitch.
Are you a child? You can be serious with this comeback
Damn bruh you deserved to get your guitar stolen fuck you🤣🤣
You going to say that your dad could beat up my dad too?
Yeah, I’m sure you’re not as lazy of a lay as you are at comebacks at all. 🤣
Tell you what, why don’t you give it another try. But, like, really try this time. I believe in you, champ. 👍
Just throwing it out there but the guy holding the bag is to much work for these ass hats. They would hire someone else to hold the bag for them. But that person has a bag being held by the guy on the tread mill. This is so they both can just say, I am just doing my job.
Your average person would think this was being dramatic. The colonial era really obscured the fact that chattel slavery was a deviation from more standard historical forms.
Say it louder until everyone can hear it.
The funny part is the types of people who say "calling it slavery is delusional" are the same people who honestly think every new $1 of taxes means we are living in a "communist dictatorship"
"taxation is theft!"
I think the issue is we still ha e actual legit *slave* slaves, and I do think it's kind harmful to just throw the term around..
Like we need more words for human enslavement and economic exploitation to reflect all the new types our captors have created for us.
The term "wage slave" covers that. Also "golden handcuffs" refers to people who get paid well and have good benefits but don't make enough to actually retire and be free
never thought about this:
as a slave, your owner had to pay for for your bed and food, right? so they thought "why should i do that?" and decided to just give them the money for it so they can do it themselves and have even less to worry about.
Well no, they were legally forbidden from slavery and so the begrudgingly took their "slave upkeep" budget and turned it into wages and act like they'd done them a favor in doing so.
>Even in all our slave states except South Carolina, a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters. In these free states, a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families - wives, sons and daughters - work for themselves, on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors on capital on the one hand, nor of hirelings or slaves on the other...
>The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while...This, say it's advocates is free labor - the just, and generous, and prosperous system, which opens the way for all, gives hope to all, and energy, and progress, and improvement of condition to all.
Unfortunately this relies on an ever present frontier in which to expand those new self entrepreneurs. Of course, Capitalism has made the useful land expensive already.
Huge surpluses to expand businesses’ holdings already have existed for some time—not much is “unclaimed”. Especially now that everyone knows desertification and extreme weather is the future.
The one good thing we have going for us is women don't want kids and female scientists and activist's are expanding birth control despite the global powers best efforts, so we're heading for rapid population decline.
That's genuinely the only hope well have at keeping ahead of the land and resources losses due to the impending climate apocalypse.
And there's absolutely nothing we can do about it either, as long as we have anything left to lose.
We still have our families and our shows and our little pleasures so the thought of losing those keeps us from saying "enough is enough. This ends today"
That's the tipping point. When large numbers of formerly comfortable people start having lack of food, rolling power outages, no internet, and see their loved ones suffering and dying, with no solution in sight.... that's gonna quickly become a situation beyond the point of no return.
The only problem I have with this is the term "slavery". I don't want to do a sort of struggle competition, but "slavery" in most parts of the world and throughout history was and (and sadly still is) some truly grim stuff. In America for example, slavery was a truly barbaric and nightmarishly violent (the deep seeded racism aside). An all encompassing and unescapable system of commodified flesh. An institution of unreal levels of exploited labor, total destruction of culture and history, the violent removal of families, the poisoning of knowledge of self, the denial of self-actualization, dehumanization, demonization, fetishization, and a multitude of many other evils.
While capitalism and imperialism are to blame for those conditions and the ones we face today, I find it a bit odd to compare our current shitty lives to the super deluxe shitty lives of those in slavery. I'm not the saying we shouldn't improve things or anything like that, however I find this rhetoric to be genuine but misguided a bit. I also think the metaphor of the incline treadmill is spot on.
I do agree with the sentiment of this message, but our current state is closer to "indentured servitude" rather than slavery. Again, not trying to do some sorrow Olympics or anything like that, nor am I denying that things are really fuckin' bad. However, one's life today is one of endless servitude and subjection. A dull, numbing, and austere experience to meant to extract as much excess labor as possible while keeping you with in "functional" condition. It can easily turn to slavery if you get unjustly thrown into the prison industrial complex. Our prison system is still the closest echo we have to our time of chattel slavery.
Life can become a world of apathetic savagery if you become unhoused. When one is unhoused one becomes utterly dehumanized and thrown into the thresher of Hobbes' "Nasty, brutish and short" world we have created for people who exist outside the purview of the market. It can be really terrible, but it isn't quite slavery.
I hope this doesn't come across as salty.
A better world is possible. We must change things for the better.
Can't believe how far down I had to scroll for this.
I absolutely believe the current system is set up as the treadmill in the picture but to equate that to the conditions of slavery is just so fucking ignorant.
Actual slaves used to be raped by their owners and have their children sold to other people. These. Things. Are. Not. The. Same.
Ouch that hit a little bit to close at my homebase
I’ve had a 401k wiped out several times by extended periods of unemployment. I’m not in any better position than I was 20 years ago.
Yeah, you’re right
As much as I agree that we spend too much money on housing, I don’t like calling ourselves slaves. It’s kind of gross.
There are still people taken from their homes and families and forced to work as literal slaves to this very day.
Edit: [here’s a source](https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/) about modern slavery if anyone is interested
You don't have to be in kidnapped to be a slave, your survival just has to be dependent on your labor (eg. "You'll die in x months if you don't work enough")
Update: Fun fact, some of those people that get abducted into slave labor are U.S. prisoners. In the U.S. prisoners are classified as slaves and are used as such for factory work.
Wage slavery and debt slavery are very much real things and Capitalism depends on them intrinsically. Even Frederick Douglass said that wage slavery is almost as bad as actual chattel slavery.
I agree that prisoners are slaves in the prison system but that’s not what this post is about.
It’s posted in this sub. And as much as capitalism sucks and as much as I believe in universal basic income, I think it’s gross to equate what work in a capitalist society with literal slavery.
Yet you can't say why, just that you feel icky about it.
The world is falling apart rapidly here. Grow the fuck up and figure out what you actual mean and what you're actually trying to say. We ain't got time for this fragile, "but it feels gross!" horseshit.
> I think it’s gross to equate what work in a capitalist society with literal slavery.
Bring it up with formal chattel slave, Frederick Douglas then? He wrote about wage slavery too.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. This post is offensive and I think I had the wrong idea about what this sub is if everyone here is cool putting the modern working class on the same level as people that are held against their will, beaten, raped, and literally (not figuratively) sold as a unit of property. SO gross.
What about those of us that actually can save some cash for sweet stuff? Are we still slaves even tho we make our bosses much richer?
In Rome some slaves bought their own freedom. This doesn't mean they weren't slaves. Similarly, being able to eventually buy your way out with a retirement fund doesn't mean you're free to stop participating in wage labor.
When slavery became outlawed they just tricked us into believing we weren’t slaves instead of actually discontinuing the practice.
Who was the person who said this?
Time to rise up
The fight against wage slavery has never been more important.
We live in a Society
So certain indigenous people who are still hunter gatherers are slaves? There’s also people with decent jobs but they don’t want to work 40 hours a week so most of their money just goes to food and rent. There’s nothing wrong with that.
"Wage slavery" is a phrase for a reason
That poor guy's is gunna get hemorrhoids and die due to clogged arteries.
It's mechanically different, but effectively it's the same. It's not entirely due to malice though, it's a mathematical problem. It's probably something like this: The worth of people is falling.
But don't most people choose the best deal which they can get? It's the same with companies. But mathematics also compel them to bend the law in their favor, and to adopt immoral strategies if their competitors do.
It's like a cancer, yet it must grow unless a factor is put in place to combat it. Fines don't work if they are less than the gain of breaking the law, that is also *necessarily* true.
Poverty is the natural state of humans, then being able to exchange goods and labour lifted us to where we are
That's called lobbying and corruption
You people are too white
An equally important factor in this equation as a whole is the persons relationship to the means of production, of which mine is diametrically opposed to Bezos’
Amazon doesn’t produce anything
it’s all made in china
they have 2 M people putting Chinese stuff in boxes so they can send it to you
Amazon does nothing and produces nothing - those 2M people are adding nothing
production !== manufacture, that is one of the colloquial definitions but never has been the economic definition. Logistics is also production. Produce comes from latin produco which means "bring forth". Think what it means to have to produce your birth certificate to obtain an ID. It doesn't mean you have to manufacture it.
Well that wasn't the entirety of his earnings was it, otherwise how did he go to space?
So... just make more money?
How would one just *make* more money?
Can you explain to me how I'm supposed to do all that while working three jobs just to keep food in my belly and a roof over my head?
Because minimum wage is $7.25/hour. That's not enough to live on, especially in a metropolitan area. I'm so glad you are privileged enough to not have to worry about such things, but many do have to worry. Every penny they get has to be considered, what to spend it on, what can wait. Do I need to get groceries now, or can I survive on what I have until payday? If I let my car insurance lapse, I won't be late on rent again. Far, *far* too many Americans live like this, and it's designed that way. It is not the fault of the person, it's the fault of the system. And it needs to change.
Yes working in Mc Donald's is the same as being owned by some one not having any rights while picking cotton for 12 hours day LMAO.
It’s more like a slave with a longer leash.