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ZachTheBomb

Bro it's an ecchi series, all the budget went to rape scenes not plot


theluckyquarter

I'm not talking about people who watch it simply for the sex, that should have been obvious from the beginning. If your getting your rocks off to this that's a whole other story. I'm talking about those who watched this for the plot and came out supporting the protagonist. And the fact that it is an eechi series doesn't excuse the plot because if the plot didn't matter it wouldn't be an eechi, it would be a hentai, which it isn't.


Fools_Requiem

Repeat after me: Ecchi, not "eechi", E C C H I. Also, if you think plot matters in ecchi shows, you're sorely mistaken.


theluckyquarter

Repeat after me: No one cares! From what others are saying the author is a sellout and not even really an author more like a shit salesman so maybe you’re right here.


FrostingLow9539

> Repeat after me: No one cares! I'd like to come out and disprove you and say that I DO CARE.


Fools_Requiem

You not caring about how intelligent you wish to project yourself doesn't make it any less irritating to read for everyone else.


theluckyquarter

Sitting her acting like misspelling a Japanese word that means sexy is such a big issue is also incredibly irritating and derailing what actually matters within the conversation.


The_Doomist

Bro what matters about this conversation, it's on the internet


[deleted]

I feel like you just wrote 2000 words to say that the guy from Redo of Healer is a bad person, and also completely misunderstood what the author was trying to do. A bit of a waste of time, but more power to you I guess. >In conclusion, the writers of Redo of a Healer clearly intended to go out and create a classic Anti-Hero Story with erotic spin. Lmao wut. The author explicitly came at it with the idea of writing a revenge story that didn't stop with the revenge after 2-3 chapters. A story that was revenge pushed to the extreme, top-to-bottom. It seems like you think this guy accidentally stumbled into a light novel that went too far and that the people who enjoyed it value it for its life lessons and moral values. Bro. It isn't that deep.


Kind_Bag

I can’t believe you spent so much of your time analysing and making an essay about garbage like redo of a healer


81Ranger

Frankly, if you bothered to watch the whole series, you might as well get something out of it. Watching a trash (not trashy) series is a sunk cost, so maybe a little time expounding on it isn’t a total waste by comparison.


filimaua13

The author only set out to make a revenge story that would sell well. He couldn't care less about telling a deep story with messages. Guy knew fully well that ecchi semi-hentai shit and explicit violence sell and he took advantage of that by combining both of them. Its brilliant actually. Its nothing too deep and you can tell the author never really put much input into it. Its a standard revenge story pushed to the extreme for entertainment value. Not to say it isn't entertaining cos yeeah it is. I thoroughly enjoyed the anime enough to start reading the manga. But its not to be taken too seriously with regards to its writing. It simply exists to be an outrageous fun edgy fantasy and I for one love it. Forget morals, forget good writing. Let's just do some extreme shit and make some money from it. Fkk yes lets do it.


spoodleman43

Gotta love the Micheal Bay way of thinking. No seriously it works.


filimaua13

Sure. Well it only works when the work is original and isn't an already established franchise with tons of intriguing lore, beloved characters and generations of fans.


spoodleman43

Yet people come back for more.


Sabur_1706

When asked of reason for something this extreme The author himself said he wrote something controversial and something that would sell. If he purposefully made the MC showcase as hero then thumbs up to author he outplayed everyone. Now everyone on internet is talking is he even a hero or not.


theluckyquarter

If the author did that then he is a fucking sellout and shouldn’t even be called an author. Why would you make something just to sell based on edge? Now this show makes so much more sense.


Sabur_1706

Buisness man, you didn't seriously though all people out there live for the art. Almost all of major movies these days are influenced by buisness decisions


theluckyquarter

Yeah and they are sellouts too, it’s why I don’t watch Hollywood. But even business’s can create good art by hiring good artists to create art. Clearly whoever made healer wasn’t a good artist or wasn’t an artist to begin with.


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theluckyquarter

Well you know at least he’s honest about being a no talent shit bag. Saves everyone the trouble of trying to prove it.


Epilex__

> I deliberately wrote something I though would sell well. There is this site called "Shōsetsuka no Narō" where users can upload their writing and many of the top-ranking submissions were revenge stories. Since they were popular and I liked them I thought I'd write my own. But these stories were weak. They kept talking about revenge but after like 2 or 3 chapters the revenge part was over and they just turned into a story of an OP protagonist with a harem. After reading those I though "I could probably write something more hardcore." I asked myself, "How do I push a story like this to it's limit?" "Can I make a revenge story that doesn't end in a few chapters?" It seemed difficult but I wanted that excitement. I wanted a longer revenge story. Redo of Healer was born out of the desire to make an extended revenge story. Source: https://youtu.be/n5sr-xdN13I?t=549


theluckyquarter

Criticizes other for a revenge story that turns into harem. Makes a revenge story with all about creating a rape harem. Checks out. This guy is a fucking trash goblin lol. 10 years from now he’ll be known as the guy who got a bunch of 13 year old brooding edge lords horny and that’s it. I heard everyone the first time, you people keep acting like me knowing this makes it better or something. It just makes it worse my god. This guy is a fucking the edgy shit for brains.


MeAnIntellectual1

He's way more likely to be remembered for making "The World's Finest Assassin Gets Reincarnated In Another World As An Aristocrat". That show is actually pretty good and not a morally bankrupt cash-grab.


DemonGokuto

He made finest assassin? I really enjoyed it Its obvious Redo is just a test to see how far he can go with it


spoodleman43

What is Micheal Bay


theluckyquarter

Yeah Michael Bay is just as much of a sellout bro.


spoodleman43

He can't hear you, explosions made him deaf to criticism while he counts his profits.


Gyges359d

That’s a long winded way to say “the show is poorly written and morally bankrupt”.


theluckyquarter

Right but as stated I wanted to explain why it’s badly made and morally bankrupt.


Gyges359d

Never said you were wrong ;) I don’t get why anyone ever cared about the show - the “story” is terrible and there is so, so much better if all you want is fan service…


farson135

The author explicitly stated that he wanted to create a revenge story that didn't half-ass the "revenge" part of it. I don't think he was trying to create an anti-hero at all. With all of that backstory he was trying, albeit clumsily, to explain the "hero's" actions. Also, this is not really a "hero" story of any kind, or even really a villain protagonist story (since basically everyone is a "villain" of a sort). It is a "grimdark" story. Heroes can't really exist in grimdark narratives. Either the world destroys them, or the heroes un-grimdark the narrative. The problem with Redo of Healer is very simple. It is a sloppy story, with a tasteless backdrop. If not for the latter, it would have passed under the radar. And other example of a couple of good ideas, and little else of note.


theluckyquarter

Didn’t think of grimdark but that’s a good point, I highly doubt the author has the intention, ability, or even drive to make a good grimdark story.


Emi_Ibarazakiii

But a MC who roughs up criminals is the very basis of anti heroes; Cops (or pissed off civilian) who blows up a gangster den instead of getting them arrested, things like that. The MC does horrible things, but he does them to horrible people who deserve bad things to happen to them. Do they deserve torture and rape? Maybe not, I guess it depends on what code of morals you apply... But they DO deserve something. Life long imprisonment, execution, something like that. But instead of giving them that (which would make him a standard hero), he does horrible things to them. That's what makes him an antihero. Now, he's a little devious even when it comes to other people, but not anywhere close enough to be called a villain... Not unless you also call people like Naofumi villains. To give another example: I've read a book, a long time ago, about a father who kidnaps the dude who raped his daughter, so he can torture him, keeping him alive to make his suffering last for months. Would you call that MC a villain? I think most people would not... A father who tortures his daughter's rapist would be seen as a (somewhat twisted) anti hero. Not a villain. They can be conflicted about the whole thing, but they wouldn't call him a villain for hurting the monster who raped his daughter. He (and Redo's MC) may both turn into villains in time though... But I think torturing *actual* villains makes you an anti-hero, not a villain yourself.


theluckyquarter

I disagree respectfully, I think torturing anyone makes you a villain, I don’t believe in eye for an eye. Torturing people who are evil and then calling yourself just in doing so just seems like coping to me. You sacrificed your own principles the principles of mercy and are trying to come up with reasons for it. Some things are grey and some things aren’t. Raping people is evil and makes you evil regardless of reason. Torturing people is evil and makes you evil regardless of reason.


Gonzoldyke12

Haha jokes on you I don’t have any morals to break


Any-Seaworthiness330

Its the best anime ever don't @ me


FrostingLow9539

Touch grass op. You didn't need to do this.


theluckyquarter

Touch grass, you commented this because your seething. You wouldn’t have done it otherwise.


FrostingLow9539

Yeah I'm mad at reading your post. I was expecting something outside the obvious but instead I got the obvious again. Terrible read, i'd like my 10 minutes back.


theluckyquarter

Well I stole it too bad your ten minutes are mine


VivySimp

Why did you think writing this was a good use of time


BillMurrie

ITT: fans of some Asian cartoons try and make fun of fans of other Asian cartoons


The_Doomist

ITT: Chads make fun of nerds


theluckyquarter

Because it was fun and I wanted to to do it. Lol. Why did you think it was a good use of your time to ask that question. Why don’t you tell me how you really feel.


Aniboy43

Bro to the first point, keyaru is an anti hero because he did destroy the evil in society even though it was for bad reasons, secondly a person who does bad things for good reason is an anti villain and not an anti hero


theluckyquarter

The protagonist has zero redeeming qualities. Also he himself is a a villain destroying other villains, that doesn’t make him an antihero it’s like the empire fighting the separatists. And the empire saying they are killing the separatists because the killed people. Yeah but so did the empire. The kingdom raped him, but he raped them so like…… No one here is even a hero or antihero…. The protagonist doesn’t seem to want to make the kingdom a better place, and if he does than he’s doing and a real shit job.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

How many did Keyaru kill in totality? Compared to Rimaru, Momonga, Hajime? It’s all for the good, but just a couple of thousands. To enforce that the bad guys of the plot don’t be killing/raping/destroying the other team. Doesn’t matter that those were all lives with each individual story. In the weak’s eyes, they’re the real monsters and villains. One of my favorite moments in one piece by Mingo was that those in power claims rights to Justice and morality. Revenge is justice. Besides, Eye for an Eye is awesome stuff. I didn’t once think the authors meant anything else. I like the romp and rape. I didn’t much care that it wasn’t an Anti-Hero story. I like the villain. This post was just really about rape. What do you do for when someone goes and say “I like it”? I mean it’s not like we have a whole genre not just in anime for that trope.


theluckyquarter

Art is subjective and you can like whatever you want, that doesn’t change the fact that the main character is a horrible person, and the show makers completely botched the tone. You can like the show and concede those two points as well.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

We weren't talking about Art--We were talking about the content of the MC. If we want to go on that point that Art is subjective, then there's no fault. Fact by definition means that it's proven with other information. Rape = bad is all you're going for, and ignoring other points as to the how it got there. Based on the other points, I do not concede that there is bad. Just good revenge. The other anime I've pointed out was to show idea that an overwhelming good outshined by a few outrageous actions--are they still praise worthy? Did we rule out that killing is less evil than rape? Would superman saving the world for 10 years, millions of lives, but to do so, raped ten 10 year olds along the way--who's judging him bad now? I can see the moral idea (as set by those in power) that it's bad, but I don't see it as a whole bad at all. There would be no point in an Anti-hero at all. It's all opinion based as I see it. Especially in Overlord's case, where he has murdered the "good guys" just in the name of expansion or revenging. Not much different from this case.


theluckyquarter

Well you have to put a line in the sand to classify between villain and anti-hero somewhere, some lines you just can’t cross because then you become a villain. Since all morality is subjective it comes down to what you think is morally just and unjust when it comes to means and goals. I have interpreted the goals of Healer to be revenge. Revenge for his own rape. To do this he raped other people and manipulated innocents at that point in my book you’re a villain. Death in war and fighting is impersonal, it’s not evil. Death in battles and war is not evil, murder is evil, intent matters. Healer personally wanted to torture and rape everyone in his way to seeking revenge, the well being of others be damned. He isn’t an anti hero because he hasn’t learned or grown to stop his horrible behavior. You said near the end of your post you like the romp and rape, you didn’t care it was wasn’t anti-hero story. You said what do you do when someone goes and says “I like it?” That’s what I was responding to initially. That’s what I meant with my post about art. And you have gone to prove my point when you’d said revenge is justice. Because that’s what I said the type people that would defend him would say. Well in my opinion you’re just wrong, in fact I find that opinion disgusting and entirely immoral.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

Of course! I like it, no doubt. But it's exactly people like me that will buy in the story's premise completely. And of course, I have no issues with the opinion. You're in full right--in current societal standards, you're absolutely right that it's disgusting and immoral. Unfortunately, if we play it again as "those in power, claims the rights to justice", then it also gives me empowerment to continue liking it. I do whatever I want because I control my life (within reasonable bounds obviously, ain't no criminal). That's just the point--can't reason against people like me, because we find it ***just.*** I don't think you're taking my war case properly. Overlord took those lives for personal reasons--Those who participated had no say in that fight. They were just there. I mean, you just claimed war is not evil--a whole slew of the world will fight you on that, and some will support it. Doesn't matter, land and money, comes with the intent. Kill a thousands, long as it brings your own team the honey. Yes, war is not evil. Too bad for the innocents killed along the way, including all those lizard soldiers, etc. It's ok though, they were revived and forced to serve Overlord instead now with fear of retaliation. Healer justifully raping a few? Well he's the demon lord now. You're also right on drawing a line on the villian and anti-hero case. Someone's gotta do it. Just know that drawing anything has already come through with pushback.


theluckyquarter

So you are empowered to like something because society and the powers that be says you shouldn’t. So what is stopping you from becoming a criminal by that standard? It’s all fine end dandy to like a fictional peice of work that’s immoral or unjust while still believing the real world action to be unjust. But that comes from beleive going what the rest of society believes and respecting it. So if you don’t believe what society believes, and you don’t trust authority than by your own principle, there is nothing stopping your from murdering someone or something horrible like that because society doesn’t like it. I think you actually support society much more than you think you do and are just acting edgy as fuck. Also the “I do whatever I want” line just goes to show how immature you are. Also given your grammar and edginess I’m pretty sure at this point you are a kid and I feel like this is punching down so I’m going to stop responding to you after this post. No, my interpretation isn’t complicated, Rimiru killing a bunch of ogres isn’t evil, Rimiru and the village didn’t do anything wrong so they are just in defending themselves even if it draws in innocent parties. And yes Ainz is evil for bringing war to innocents. I should have clarified that waging war for certain reasons is not evil. It depends on why you are fighting.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

Don't stop responding now. We're chatting, and you don't like where any of this is going, so you resort to names and grammer and nazis and rape and age. Can't meet in the middle, and must bring only your end. Coom with me. For edginess. Big spoon or little spoon? Hello friend. lets respond for life.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

Yikes. I just want to leave a comment in history. The post did not age well. OP is not liked, glassy, and currently probably shocked that the essay is about smut. ***HOWEVER***\--I will concede this was cute conservative humanity. I'm sorry to have been tainted way deep to be on your side of the fence. Thank you. I think it was good to practice to write something once in a while. Criticism is in all shapes and forms. I think the downfall was the last smack towards the end--that was definitely your opinion and stance towards the whole post, therefore not inviting discussion. If the intent is to provoke, you've got it, but didn't expect to defend beyond means. Only brushing everything off as "tis but a scratch" attitude. It's good. Now you know how people respond and how you respond. Good stuff. I'm gonna go masturbate now.


theluckyquarter

Maybe while you do it you’ll unlock the section of your brain that handles grammar and sentence structure ya coomer.


ArknightsMyFirstGame

Send me a pic though? I go both ways. And all ways actually.


MechaMat91

Like you said, the guy is a very literal rapist, how anyone sees him as anything but a villain is beyond me.


Riotheoc

Actually he's a Nominal Hero. He's the hero but only because everyone else is worse than him.


UnrecognisedSoul

This comment of 2000 words feels like it’s saying that morals are a prerequisite to good story telling and that to me sounds stupid.


IcyHach

:O Thanks to clarify for me the reason I was invested into the show. I guess it was refreshing to watch a villain MC. That aside, I started somehow a bit interested about the revenge plot and worldbuilding (the author knows how to write, people are liking the assassin isekai on current season) but to be honest, I got so uninterested in a few episodes and kept watching only interested in the creativity of the next revenge. The ecchi (more like borderline hentai) was unnecessary for me outside of the revenges, but I guess the production thought they needed the MC to have sex every ep to sell


KnightKal

He is an anti-hero, but if you limit the story to a small sample of it, then yeah, you won’t see it. Let’s not go into spoiler territory, but you should go read the source or at least a wiki or something lol.


Kaiged

I think the Naofumi comparison and keyaru is important, because unlike a Japanese citizen vs a 14 year old peasant isn't going to have a sophisticated moral system to begin with so while its very recognizable to us that eye for an eye revenge isn't moral or practical so his ideals are already warped as he latches onto that, and get more warped as the show progresses. His loss of sanity and dissent in his characterization are noticeable and it detracts from your thesis that "revenge and justice are not different at all." Its literally a story of a victim of sexual abuse sacrifices his mental wellbeing and happiness for revenge, as you note "the main character is going well deserved revenge against evil people" and is the hero by simply being in opposition to them. I'll bet it ends with him finally realizing he needs to heal himself, and fitting with the show he actually can. Then he will finally be as good as all the evil people he has made good and done terrible things too. It is very explicitly written as eye for an eye revenge with regards to major characters they get brainwashed(drugged), raped, and forced to be in their party as he was. Now was that to drive home a moral equation that revenge is justice, or because they wanted to write femdom reversal petplay scenes ? I personally think its closer to the latter. Perhaps the show is morally nihilistic and portrays a revenge sex crime spree that is taking a toll on the perpetrator; it has a second order effect of helping almost everyone else, saving the world from evil, even many of the people who incited it in the first place. While absurd its fundamentally more interesting then another morally prescriptive show with set moralistic elements in a formulaic plot. While I would normally wonder what ideological view is lacking in the show given this style of media criticism and what the moral obligation is there for the author too include it. Is the author a bad person because they probably fall short of your "charitable interoperation" when your interpretation already is their work says Revenge is equal or greater than Justice ?