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JoeBidenTheDictator

Greco-Roman? I think you mean Gecko-Roman! I was diagnosed with Autism today.


Competitive_Bid7071

Congratulations I guess?


Andre_Lord

You guys remember that creepy cult that was on Marcy's takeover song, I think That Cult Worships The Night. Cults like that do commit very extreme acts. They wanted to sacrifice a person for power or to be known by the night. And there's also The Order Who probably Worshipped the Mother of Olms Like Some Amphibians think The Mother of olms is the true ruler of Amphibia other will think its The Night who rules it and he does it actually lurking in the shadows. I think The Amphibian Religion tends more to be a Yin And Yang like Religion. My Thoughts are that The Night Is an Outsider of Amphibia. His inhabitant isn't from Amphibia but rather from a Higher Dimension. (as I go with my Headcanon : His Home is possibly the one where The Mighty And Great Axolotl (From Gravity Falls) lives, That Dimension is Olympus itself of some kind, The Great Paradise of Spirits and Mortals, The Angelic Gorgeous Heavens But something happened And Made The Night Fell from grace much like Lucifer but this time things are complex and it's not about who wanted to rule The Dimension. Yes my headcanon is that The Night Is Yin And The Axolotl is Yang, Brother And Sister ruling All Life in Existence until something of a horrible choice of regret happened) And The Mother of Olms is The Deity who Inhabitants Amphibia Who probably is a Prophet Deity And One of Gaia like powers controlling and establishing Order in Amphibia taking care of the lands nature and destiny.


Competitive_Bid7071

The issues with that was that not all Mystery cults were inherently bad, that cult seemed like one of the bad types that abused its followers.


Andre_Lord

Some Cults do even abuse its followers, saying like they are the chosen one and they must be one with the master. And gets sacrificed. Yeah they'll do anything to be noticed by their God.


Andre_Lord

Also if it's about how Amphibia Has this Greco-Roman like Religion by perspective The fun concept of that would be for our little concepts we like to think even tho they may not happen are that. The Mother of Olms being The Gaia Prophet like Goddess of Amphibia And probably that frog from the first temple being the Zeus of Amphibia since people say "oh my frog", maybe something bad happened?, although these are speculations, maybe it's just an expression. Like I said The Mother of Olms could be The God of Amphibia. From the Outsider tho (The Night, and for a headcanon that is just me loving the idea, The Axolotl.) This would include some kind of Combination of Abrahamic Religion with some Ancient Chinese philosophy there. The Axolotl Being God/YHWH/Yang And The Night Lucifer/Samuel/Yin Both Keeping The Balance of The Universe [Or Multiverse] One rules among Heavens and Deities and other beings as Being The True God, And Being The Concept of Benevolence, Positivity, of Holy and Light aka Yang. And The One Who is The Necessary of Eldritch Evil And Darkness That has arrived in the World Billions of years ago Fell from Grace and Home Banished and can't Return And Destined To Be The One Who becomes The Concept of Negativity, Primordial Darkness And evil Aka Yin.


MGD109

Sounds really good. I wonder if its an accepted practice to present religious figures as either Frogs, Newts or Toads depending on which society they live in, or do they have specific deities that they believe favour each species? Following the Greco-Roman ideas. Frogs it stands to reason it would traditionally be god's of agriculture, crafting and maybe commerce. Toads god's of war seems to fit. Newts god's of wisdom and art.


Andre_Lord

Nice idea. Maybe they do that. All tho The Mother of Olms is The God of The land. Since we see in the Temples some Olms Andrias says "Olms have mercy" , still think the first Temple has Axolotl architecture (I think the First temple is owned by The Night, since he is 100% Knowledge he Manipulated Amphibia for Centuries to think about it) Olms and Axolotls look the same for the heads but shouldn't be confused with another.


MGD109

Oh now that's a good point. Their are after all more Amphibians than just the Frogs, Newts and Toads. Yeah I could see the Mother of Olms as a sort of creator. Either in a benevolent sense, or as an example of the primordial chaos. So far their hasn't been any hits of other continents or much sea faring apart from those pirates, so imagine the sea isn't considered such a big deal in Amphibia. But their would presumably be a corresponding god of Sky. The Night presumably represents the infinite darkness where the predators lurk.


Andre_Lord

>Oh now that's a good point. Their are after all more Amphibians than just the Frogs, Newts and Toads. >Yeah I could see the Mother of Olms as a sort of creator. Either in a benevolent sense, or as an example of the primordial chaos. >So far their hasn't been any hits of other continents or much sea faring apart from those pirates, so imagine the sea isn't considered such a big deal in Amphibia. But their would presumably be a corresponding god of Sky. >The Night presumably represents the infinite darkness where the predators lurk. I think The Mother of Olms is a Creator but just the Creator of Olms and ruling Amphibia. Along being a Gaia like Prophet Deity. Since Olms are are blind I think something happened to her and got attack and thus from that attack she became blind and from there the Olms are originated to be blind from her. I see The Night More than just a Representation. The Night *is Darkness* He is The Primordial Darkness that ruled Everlasting The World when Creation didn't Happen he is born from it and is the remaining of it. The Night wasn't destined to be evil but something happened in the past while he lived with his Sister (The Axolotl) and made him fall from grace and as he was falling like a comet through out the Universe he was falling on Earth's Horizon and miss it but his darkness speared on earth thus all life on earth begun to know what Emotions were, I think previously After life was born creatures were Meant to feel no emotion and be perfect as The Axolotl Desire they only knew about Good and nothing else blinded by The Axolotls Light. But after The Night's fall They finally knew what the Difference between good and bad meant, from his fall even Eldritch monster were born from his darkest fears and nightmares from the tears he dropped those Cosmic Horrors were born and thus The Night fell from The Heavens Landing on Amphibia and Banished from his Home. P.S it's all ideas and speculation but fun to think tho.


MGD109

Oh wow. I mean that's all honestly really incredible to read about, it sounds so good. If that's not how this show goes, honestly I'd recommend keeping all that and writing your own story to involve it all.


Andre_Lord

Why thanks, I may write this as a Fan-made Spin off AU with After the Amphibia events end The Spin off AU begins, It will probably be like The Trio defeat the Night but actually didnt kill him because in reality without darkness There is no light, if There's only Light you'll never know the Difference between what you do is good and you'll only be blinded by even the purest light. I call this Fan made story "GODHOOD" Where basically The Night establishes on Earth Creating an Evil Organization 6 Months ago because he still needs to keep the balance trust me he has no choice And is Also Marcy's New Adoptive Father due to The Wu's losing fate of marcy returning and sold the house and leave and Marcy becomes an orphan by that but the Night decides after talking with marcy about her problems and burdens and how both were alone to think about him as her "Guardian Devil" saying "I can't be no longer an Angel, but still can protect you my dear, so you can call me your Devil Guardian" and later on slowly becoming a family Duo while the Night Masqueradeing with his Organization Earth and having wild adventures while marcy lives her life with Papa Night ;) her caring loving 19th century Old man, it's most likely his new style of living as a god on earth, if he was all alone and so sorrow then at least he should deserve something better rather loneliness thanks to his Sister, yeah its all The Axolotls Fault for The Night's Fall from Grace. The Night Originally before The Fall was Going to Become A Justice Deity And help His Sister with the Universe, but after some Argues about perfection and a bunch of ignorance He started to feel like it's his fault for The Axolotl not talking to his own Sibling, getting sadder, grim and scared and paranoid thus the darkness appears and just consumes him because The Axolotl Ignores her own Brother to the point of not even seeing him The begin of his loneliness was 8 Million Years ago And it continued grow and 500.000 years The Fall of Grace Happened thus becoming The Concept of what's all Evil, Eldritch, grim, sorrow, fear and Darkness. Becoming Yin. And The Axolotl become yang. The Concept of Yin And yang was shown by The Axolotl in the Days of Ancient China and giving The Philosophy to the a man and also later on giving to another person her own authentic 10 Commandments along with the opposite of it made by the Night. And so from Yin And Yang Religions were born. And thus humanity making Stories about One evil entity and one good Entity in each religion and Story. Good a lot to write but it's fun! And it's still in progress.


MGD109

Ooh this sounds so good. Please give me a link when you do cause I want to read it.


Andre_Lord

> Ooh this sounds so good. Please give me a link when you do cause I want to read it. Sadly there is no website I can put it, it's more my personal Story but really like to see you like. I've write stories in my time but I can't say I'm automatically the best writer just your nice and chill medium level writer but let's hope. But I can tell how the Night is in this one. THE NIGHT : -------------------- The Night is 99 Billion years Old so he's *very* Wise and Intelligent probably being Omniscient (All Knowing) on his personality consider him as your classic Fancy smart Villainous 19th Century God with 1900's taste but basically he's a old Fashioned Mastermind that is Usual with the Centuries, he doesn't call himself for nothing an Old man every time he talks with Mar'Mar. The Night likes are him seeing The Stars remembering about the good ol'times as a child, fun fact The Night in his child days created The Orion Constellation as his first attempt at using his powers from there its his most favorite thing he ever did. He also loves to rain back in Amphibia it was the first time for him to know what raining felt like and found it calming. He also loves Watching Old Sitcoms; The Office being his Favorite he laughs with joy on that show sometimes watches sitcoms with Marcy on Friday and laugh while having fun. Consider this as like a Father And Daughter Night Party. He's into singing, likes to hear songs and sings along with the songs that he has, his favorite being "My Way". He has his karaoke Day Happens on Thursday a week or two or whenever he feels like its the perfect time. And oh my lord he sings like a Gentleman with a nice Angelic voice. . And OFC on the top list It's his love and caring more his clumsy smart Daughter Marcy. He calls her by her full name, "Marceline" Consider that marcy is just a nickname for "Marceline" And calling marcy "his Starlight" And sometimes nicknames her as her friends do. The Night considers Marcy as the best thing ever happened to him and swears to love and protect her and help with anything she wants, if she feels sad he'll warm her up and tell her that no matter what everything will be ok.. As a Father for marcy he's probably better than Marcy's actual biological father. He's wiser, Thoughtful and More Responsible and caring as a Father That only wishes the best for Marcy's Happiness and Health and whatever happens he'll be there for her whenever she feels like she's alone.


Andre_Lord

Also his True name is **NARÜ** in this one Meaning "To Become". Which he did Become the opposite of Light. P.S Enjoy this idea and the reading you seen so far.


MGD109

Well in that case it doesn't need to go on any website, I can understand just enjoying writing for the fun of it. I used to do it myself a while. Reading through its clear you have a good idea of the character, and certainly some very imaginative ideas. Honestly I'd keep at it.


Andre_Lord

Why thank you very much. As I've learn something how to make a Viliian is that Under a Villains Darkest and most Broken heart Even they too were pure once And what's behind them is just a Victim of their past That had no choice but to live with it and continue with what they got from it.


Competitive_Bid7071

Makes sense sorta.


MGD109

Thank you. Of course they'd also have ceremonies to honour all the gods, but I imagine if that's how it works that's the one they would favourer and believe they were favoured in turn. I wonder if it goes so far as they believe they had different creators?


Andre_Lord

>Thank you. Of course they'd also have ceremonies to honour all the gods, but I imagine if that's how it works that's the one they would favourer and believe they were favoured in turn. >I wonder if it goes so far as they believe they had different creators? [out of context] It would be like a war between Believes Meanwhile The Duality of Gods along with the Mother of Olms Watch the entire chaos. Mother of Olms : Night did you caused this? The Night : Why would I do that, I can do better than that you know?. The Axolotl : yeah my sweet grumpy Brother can do better than that sweetie, I remember when he was such a cutie that wanted to be like me.. *sigh * where is that little Angel (TnT) The Night : this angel here had fallen from grace And Become The Concept of Evil You Ignorant Perfectionist! It's all your Fault My Dear Sister!.


MGD109

Oh that's so good, and fits curiously well. Thank you.


Competitive_Bid7071

What about holidays? Also there modern religion is probably a more stricter and organized version of an ancient one that existed before any of there civilizations existed.


MGD109

Ooh I didn't even think about that. But yeah. I mean it stands to reason each one would get at least a day of celebration. Following the Greco-Roman theme, I imagine for the frogs their largest would coincide with the end of the harvest in October. For the toads it would be in the Spring, that being when traditionally new campaigns could begin in societies without professional armies and for the Newts their would be one for summer solstice and one for the winter solstice.


Competitive_Bid7071

What you say for the frogs makes sense as there were various harvest related festivals that occurred in autumn and fall, one of the most famous in Ancient Greece being the Thesmophoria. Which was held in honor of Demeter and her daughter Persephone and lasted for several days Along with the “Ieiunium Cereris” which was held in honor of (Ceres) Demeter’s Roman counterpart as a day of fasting and was made annual after Augustus became Rome’s first emperor. Also “the shut in” could be some sort of appropriated version of the frogs equivalent to the Holiday known as “Samhain” which was still celebrated in the Roman Empire in the provinces of Gaul and Britannia before and after the local Gaelic and Briton tribes were assimilated into the Roman empire Which at the time made up most of the Celtic world. With the only areas not being conquered being Scotland and Ireland (Caledonia and Hibernia). The whole point of the Holiday was to honor the dead but the Celts would also wear scary costumes or stay inside, along with putting out carved fruits or vegetables like turnips to ward off bad spirits or creatures. Similar to the “fear gourds” that Hop Pop mentioned and what we saw in the episode. Which is also interested because the Romans had a holiday in may called the “Lemuria” which served a similar purpose as Samhain during which the Romans performed rites to exorcise the malevolent and fearful ghosts of the dead from their homes. The unwholesome spectres of the restless dead, the lemures or larvae were propitiated with offerings of beans. So perhaps this is a case of culture syncretism and pluralism by the Newts? P.S Also to add to this, there were also probably celebrations held in honor of there equivalent to Dionysius, and there variation of Christmas is probably similar to the Roman holiday saturnalia and the frogs also worship there equivalent to the god Saturn.


MGD109

Yeah that all makes perfect sense and its really fascinating to think about. Thanks for the information, I was aware of Samhain though I didn't realise it was that well spread. Likewise I'd heard of Lemurian's but didn't know it had its own ceremony as well. Still it does all fit really well.


Competitive_Bid7071

Do you want me to tell you more?


MGD109

Please do.


Competitive_Bid7071

First of all What would you like to know specifically?


TheCracklySpider

They obviously all worship an all powerful Axolotl!


Joet2386

Plausible.


Cavery210

There's probably a Frog Jesus, or Fresus for short. The religion of Frog Christianity or Fristianity was formed from his teachings.


Competitive_Bid7071

So Andreas goes to hell?


Cavery210

More specifially, Frog Hell!


Competitive_Bid7071

Do you think Charlie would try to redeem him?