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the app has landed (it's fairly uninspiring)

the app has landed (it's fairly uninspiring)

cadia_still_stands

GW: We made a 40k App! Isn't it awesome! Community: AoS has a better one. Why isn't the 40k one like that. GW: *Releases new AoS app* GW: See now the 40k App is just like the AoS one! Community: This is not what we meant . . .


JosoIce

Better is definitely relative though, the "old" aos app was still a half-assed mess of an app that had no effort put into its design


cadia_still_stands

True enough.


Syrex813

The “old” app didn’t run a fixed aspect ratio/resolution at least. This new app looks absolutely terrible on a tablet.


Spudmonkey1

In fairness to them, I write apps for a living and can't remember the last time I did custom tablet ui, tablets have become such a small part of the market that it's typically viewed as not worth it. They're less than 5% of the overall device market, like 2% if you include computers


Moritasguz

I think my main issue other than it feeling like a website and not an app, is that there is no art except a splash screen and they still are using the photos of models on square bases after how many years of having them on rounds in the webstore, it's just lazy.


Kisada11

It’s BETA


InVerum

Assume this is a joke, but for people who don't know, that's not how betas work. Beta, at this stage, is a final testing, this is the (basically) final launch design and overall functionality.


Kisada11

lol yeah. I guess it would have been better if I typed it as iTs BeTa


puppymedic

Just like me


Omen1980

Doesn't work properly on my phone. I can browse the books, I can create an empty army in Storm Forge but if I try to go into that army the app crashes and reloads back to main screen


stannisthemannis1234

Same


wartythou

What operating system and version is your phone running?


Omen1980

I've got a P10 Lite, its running EMUI 8.0.0 and wont get any better :(


Jarminiatures

I sent this to them in an email for the 40k app and will do the same here but why the hell can't you even do something simple like favouriting particular books so they are at the top of the list? I would love if thia app had included a Path to Glory tracking feature too.


Snuffleupagus03

Yeah, they really went into how they vamped up the Path to Glory rules and want to emphasize narrative play, which makes a lot of sense in this type of game. But then don't have any support at all for narrative play list building in the app?


CopperbeardTom

Certainly lacking flair. Some pages have font so large you're scrolling constantly.


ckal9

It’s in beta so send GW a message


CopperbeardTom

I did. Although I find it unprofessional they push out this public beta with no ability for sending feedback in the app itself.


Stralau

Already found a bug: my fyreslayer sub-commanders are counting as commanders in the battalions. Anyone know how to report it to the developers? Is it [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])? EDIT: It's NOT a bug. You can change any leader from a commander to a sub commander by going into their listing and clicking on the relevant icon


dkerl651

Thank you! Couldn't figure this out initially!


Snuffleupagus03

I found a lot of little things like this that appeared to be bugs but were just super unintuitive interface issues. You can't switch battalion slots within the battalion but need to go to the unit and click on the right spot and then change it from there. I bet they get a TON of "bug" reports that are just inconsistent interface issues.


CopperbeardTom

\> I bet they get a TON of "bug" reports that are just inconsistent interface issues. Inconsistent interface issues are just as impactful to the user experience as code bugs.


BigBert-88

Has anyone figured out how to create an army roster for Maggotkin of Nurgle? When I select it I get every chaos unit except the Nurgle ones!


Xunae

It looks like nurgle may be missing most of their warscrolls. I only see plaguebearers, exalted greater demon of nurgle and the gnarlmaw in there for them. If I make a slaves army where I should be able to ally them, they still don't show up.


Nerfknight

Same! You can see the wars rolls for everything in at the book level, incorrectly labeling Blightkings as 'other', but definitely MIA in the forge.


[deleted]

WarCom on facebook said Maggotkin are a known issue that should be resolved soon.


Syrex813

Looks terrible on an iPad they’ve fixed the aspect ratio/resolution so text is huge and big black bars on the sides. Old app handled this fine. 40K app has the same issue so obviously they don’t care. What a waste of time


Danhuangmao

Oh, so it's doing that awful wretched thing where it sorts rules by Book instead of by Faction. Wonderful.


TopTramp

Test our product cause we haven’t bothered


Danhuangmao

I assume it's either because the designers aren't people who've ever had to practically use such an app (because they don't play the game), or because GW told them to do it this way in some kind of unified message about separate books being necessary or whatever.


Gerbilpapa

Is it? The screenshot shows the opposite


Danhuangmao

Nah, it shows it's by book - "Broken Realms: Teclis" is not a Faction.


Gerbilpapa

The broken realms books have rules for all factions so of course they’re at the top on their own category Look right underneath it; it’s organised by Chaos


Danhuangmao

Yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. If you want to see the complete rules for Lumineth, you'll have to keep jumping between the Lumineth Battletome and the Teclis book (and have to skip past all the other armies' stuff in the Teclis book to reach it). If the information was organized by faction, you'd have all the Lumineth rules in one place for convenient and sensible reference. Instead of having to open and close a ton of menus constantly to flick between.


Gerbilpapa

The lumineth battletome has all the teclis stuff in it for the record But I kind of get what you’re saying for other factions


Jemurai

nighthaunt is a better example. The subfactions are in a broken realms book. So you need to jump between books as well as remembering which broken realms. It also fills up the scrolling page which could just be reduced to the core factions.


JetPoweredPenguin

Look at how they massacred my boy.


Accer_sc2

I haven’t found it to be that bad I guess.. but one bug to add: I can’t seem to find a way to add allies to my list. I’m planning on running a fluffy list this weekend with Soulblight and a few FEC allies but there doesn’t seem any way to add those in. Also.. the way battalions work in the army builder is pretty lame. Looking forward the biggest thing they could do is keep everything instantly updated but I guess that’s wishful thinking.


Comm_Nagrom

allies are added to list by going to the filter on the army list section (if you pess the + button to add a unit its the the lines in a triangular patern in the top right corner) and then just toggle on the ally button (ive yet to make a list that it didn't start on and have to toggle it off to add just my own units) what specific problem do you have with the battalions?


Accer_sc2

So I guess this might be a Soulblight only bug because I’m unable to toggle on the allies button despite seeing it in the options. The battalion problem, unless I’m missing something, is that you don’t add units from your list to the battalion, but instead add new units. Typically when I build an army the battalions are the last thing I do, but in this app you need to create the battalions as you build your list otherwise you get duplicates of the units you choose. If there’s some way to assign units you already chose then I haven’t found it yet.


Comm_Nagrom

If you hit the ... button next to a unit after you add the battalions you can select add to battalion https://i.imgur.com/Aa2PSsS.jpg


Accer_sc2

Ah okay, I see that now thanks. Hopefully they are quick to fix up the missing stuff so all players can use it if they want.


ApothecarySquishy

Gw making something to TRY & shut out the 3rd party market & it turns out mediocre? Nooooooooo.


DokFraz

Nice, this is definitely worth losing *(future)* warscrolls being available for free on the store.


Dr_Ezekiel16

I suppose it is a Beta, but on the other hand the 40K app has been in it's "finished" form for months and months but it is still absolute trash. We shouldn't hold out hope for this to be any better.


AJSaurus7

It won't even let me log in 😅 big rip


YoshiTheSnake

Hard to see which of the features are staying free in the future and which ones are premium features. Lets hope the warscrolls stay free at least :D


DaVoodoGator

Warscrolls for SCE and KB are free. So my guess is yes. Artifacts, spells, batallions etc. Are only unlocked if paid.


Dmbender

Ah so its basically the 40k app. I wonder if the points totals will be wrong in it like in the 40k app, or if it will flag legal loadouts as illegal


Comm_Nagrom

there are a few instances of certain units making others battleline that aren't actually working yet but the app is technically beta so hopefully they'll fix them?


Dmbender

Hopefully yeah! I was trying to make a Stormdrake list, and it wouldn't recognize any of em as battleline.


ElCubay

This is literally just a RecyclerView... I can make one like these in less than 10 minutes... (And I consider myself bad at android coding)


Dndplz

It's bad. Make sure you leave your comments in their survey so they can ignore the community like usual.


Osmodius

Worse than the 40k one, and that one is not good. Pretty disappointing.


LeifrEiriksson

Damn, what a mess. For all the money GW makes, they just can’t get mobile apps right. It’s a shame really…


TopTramp

Because they likely a) do it on the cheap b) do it themselves, without the in-house expertise They should just bite the bullet and pay one of the many brilliant app making companies. But like I said it’s done on the cheap


genteel_wherewithal

Comically that's what they did with Warscroll Builder, which wound up pretty decent for something so stripped down. This is a slightly different beast but still a step back on GW's part.


peasupplyco

Wasn't warscroll builder originally a player made tool they bought?


genteel_wherewithal

Yep, that’s exactly my point. They bought up someone who was doing a good job but are now putting that aside for something different and not particularly better.


peasupplyco

Ohh, I misunderstood your comment. Yeah, I am hopeful they don't stop warscroll builder...


tcurry04

What is the difference between this app and the age of sigmar app that was already on my phone? I’m not sure I understand the purpose unless they plan to delete the app that I already had installed?


Darkreaper48

The old app will not get updates moving forward. For example, it will never have Kruleboyz in it at all.


tcurry04

Lame, and I bet this new app is $2.99 a month and not $.99. Hopefully I’m wrong. I guess I should try it out now and see what it’s all about


Solendor

New app is included in WH+ subscription


[deleted]

AKA $5/mo, but you can watch cartoons.


Darkreaper48

None of them are about AoS.. but... you know... at least you can watch a single AoS battle report?


[deleted]

Yeah I'm not excited about the new bundle everything so you have to buy everything model.


Snuffleupagus03

don't forget the painting tutorial that you used to get for free on Youtube!


Ready-Lawfulness-767

Lets hope GW dont try anything to get the free paint videos deleted by YouTube. They could try to claim as long their products are used without they give ok to it. But lets be honest if they would try it Community would Go crazy angry. 😅


FiliusIcari

No, they can’t. That is obviously transformative and therefore fair use.


DokFraz

This one will require an active WH+ subscription. An exciting new feature!


Dndplz

The old, better app will no longer be updated. You gata use the new, terrible app.


TheMadHattah

Oh joy I didn’t know we where getting a new app. What was wrong with the old one? What’s the new app called?


Snuffleupagus03

Nothing was directly wrong with the old one, but it used in app purchasing, which means Apple gets a cut. The new app will be under the Warhammer+ umbrella and you get access with your GW warhammer account.


Dndplz

GW couldnt sell you stuff via the old one, so they had to can it.


SevenSeasAgo

Is there no way to add your subfaction to add your subfaction specific enhancements?


Comm_Nagrom

which army? the two lists i built (SCE and Fyreslayers) had the option after picking the faction in the first screen when list building


thelickintoad

Making a DoK army, and I have to select a Battle Rites option. But I can’t select one. And I should get them all anyway, based on the round.


Bunsed

Good grief. Did they simply get a boilerplate for this sort of app and then port it via Phonegap or something?


IsThisTakenYesNo

I was hoping for something I could use on PC. Guess I'll just stick to the Warscroll Builder on their site, if it still gets supported.


LotFP

Like the 40k app you can't go back and change the point size or makeup of an army. You have to start over from the beginning. There is no way to add a custom point level (so no 750 or 1500 point armies for example). You can't "save" loadouts so you have to reconfigure every unit when you create a new army. It doesn't save your filters between looking at unit warscrolls and adding them to your list. Warscroll Builder was better in almost every way when it comes to army building.


Innsmouthdeepone

If you try to build a Maggotkin list Nurgle heroes literally don’t appear. Every other chaos leader does but not Maggotkin. Next game night I’m using a Bloodthirster as my general. Guys guys… app said it was fine, now shut up and play.


totalmush

I prefer the 40k app format to the old AoS app format Y'all just being contrary drama queens


OhNoBananaz

Ill go out there, and say i like it. It has everything you need relatively easy to find. I honestly don't get the hate, it does everything i could want it to. The big thing for me, is it starts up quickly, not like the 20s that azyr took to load.


Snuffleupagus03

I agree with you. I like it and can make lists with it and put in (most) of the rules. My fears are that they don't invest any resources in continuing to improve it. The export feature for the army to share it is a terrible format. This is a big reason to use a builder on my phone and is my biggest problem. Some of the interface issues are challenging, it isn't obvious where which features are located (like for adding grand strategies, or changing battalion rolls), but that will work itself out over time.


OhNoBananaz

I mean, that would be the definition of open Beta test, and their having a website where you can give input. But i agree, they do need to fix a couple things, but its one helluva start.


BrBandit

Has anyone worked out how to make a hero the general yet?


MuttonSlouch

If you select the unit there should be a toggle for it in the unit options


BrBandit

Arghh man, must just be Idoneth warlords that are broken then.


Tele_Viper

These apps & WH+ are all embarrassing. If the game does end up almost entirely behind a paywall, at this quality, I’d have to bail.


DaenTheGod

Don't even bother with GW's apps, just use Battlescribe.


Accer_sc2

The community warscroll builder is a gift from the heavens and I dedicate every game to its honour.


DaenTheGod

Oh right that one's good aswell


TheMadHattah

This^


CaptainLegkick

Is that a different app to bscribe?


Accer_sc2

Not an app, as far as I know, but instead the army list builder from the Warhammer community site. It’s very good, and probably the most popular form of list building in competitive play. https://www.warhammer-community.com/warscroll-builder/


-BBQTENDIES-

battlescribe is awful for AoS


Willange

A bunch of folks in my local community also always hype battlescribe, but every time I've ever used it for any game I've just given up and used something else.


[deleted]

Battlescribe is awful for every game I've used it for. It technically works. So there's that. But it looks awful and it's unintuitive. But if you want something for free, you get... that.


BraveHoratiusSpake

Except battle scribe is clunky, requires way more clicks and micro management to accomplish the same thing and requires you to manually update repositories that aren't even available at times. Don't get me wrong, the official app is far from perfect but let's not pretend like battle scribe is better than it is.


hav3rchuck

BattleScribe on them phone is fidgety. On a computer it works fine in most cases. Repositories not responding is a bummer though.


[deleted]

I don't need inspiring. I need functionality. And it appears to have that! A few things that need updating, but actually far exceeds my expectations for day 1 of beta release.


Vec-tor

Yay it's here Oh.. Yeah it's a mess right now. Messy to navigate (to me at least) , incredibly bland visually and, as far as I can see, you can't see the unit warscroll until after you add it to the army.. Oh and my Slaves to Darkness don't even have Knights as battleline on it even though the army is being made on the app explicitly as S2d. You have to go into other to see them. I know its beta and we can hope to see more/better as time goes but it's not in a good place out the gate.


Solendor

You can see the warscroll if you go to the faction book and select warscrolls


Vec-tor

Yeah I see that the scrolls are in the app. My issue is that I think, being able to see the warscroll from within Storm Forge while selecting units to add, would be a major quality of life improvement for the app. As it is you fan browse them in the app as you describe. Once in Storm Forge you can see the warscroll after you've added them to the army. But as far as I can see you can't see them until you do? It's just a pain to be in and out. It's not a massive deal it's just a gripe along with the other bits I think they need to work on.


Jackalope1993

Chaos lord on manticore is also pointed wrong.


Letholdus13131313

I don't have any initial complaints. Already made a list and things are running smoothly.


Merexis

I don’t understand why it’s so hard to add the enhancements you choose to the units warscroll.


Coziestpigeon2

I prefer the list-builder in Azyr, but this new app makes getting the important information a lot faster. I much prefer having a section for, say, "Command Traits" that I can open and view all command traits, as opposed to having to open the battletome and swipe through pages until I find the right one.


JulesVernes

Can someone tell me how I assign a general? I can’t find any option to do this. How is this even allowed in 2021?


InfiniteDM

... you click the model you want to be your general then turn on the option for General??? How are people like this in 2021 ;)


JulesVernes

Please go ahead and try this with any IDK hero.


InfiniteDM

Created an IDK army and all the heroes had General tabs. Only thing I couldn't make a general were the coalition/ally units.


InVerum

The UX on this .. my goodness. Why??????? I should be able to see everything on a warscroll on 1 page without scrolling, let me expand sections as I need them. This is just a REACT webpage with zero mobile optimization. This isn't an app... Pretty disappointed tbh.


GeffersG

I haven't used the app, but for those that have - what do I get from this paid app over the free Warscroll Builder webpage, which works fine on mobile?


Vandenberg_

Requires iOS 14.5.. for this app?


Lymboss

It's in Beta, let's have faith lol, it just came out


Cryptshadow

The 40k app is out of beta and released with something like this


Separate-Ad-9926

Imagine supporting a company that is this lazy and values consumer feedback so little.


Snuffleupagus03

I'll go ahead and say that I like it. I can read the rules for all of the old books, which I had to pay for before, so that's pretty awesome. The new books will clearly be behind a digital code after you buy them physically, which never bothered me. It's easy enough to make a list, not all the options are there, and there are individual errors (like some battleline options not triggering when criteria are met), but if they continue to fix these as they are identified that's fine. And none of those actually get in my way that much. The app will say my army is invalid, but I can just ignore that and still use it. Not sure what else I would want from an app. The interface could be prettier and easier to use, and it sounds like it's pretty ugly on a tablet, which sucks for those users. My big issue right now is that format for exported lists is terrible. I share my lists with my opponents before a game, and warscroll builder makes very nice and readable pdf's. Sharing these lists is not helpful.


fuzzyvibes

Also almost none of the nurgle warscrolls are in there 👀


Land2600

Literally it’s in beta, like most things in a beta it needs work. No use in crying about it.