Luis Rubiales has repeatedly stated that he won't resign for the controversy that circulated around his actions during the Womens World Cup final but the clown has resigned today. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637879
By - sgaken
I would assume he got a huge payout to resign.
He is the son of a mayor from PSOE, the current party in the government, those people are infamous for not resigning if you don’t give them another job with doble the salary to not say want you know.
Yeah, must be because he's the son of a socialist mayor... Quite unlike, the "Popular" Party and their stellar record of integrity all the way up to their narcocandidate.
Or, as we'd said in Spanish: se te cayó el calzador.
500%. Maybe he hated that job...made a plan...put it into action..and has been paid to leave.
Before I saw the sub I thought he had somehow rescinded his resignation to start this whole clownshow by him again.
Honestly, that wouldn’t have surprised me.
Fucking finally. Now let the team celebrate their win without the shadow of this clown.
This was really creepy and weird. He just kept repeating “I will not resign” in a tearfully angry tone the same way the Good Doctor told Dr. Han that he was a surgeon.
Why do I know that reference?
Probably because it was a viral meme a few months back.
And then he kept pointing out that his daughter was crying and saying "don't cry baby, daddy's right, you oughta be proud"
The bottomless pit of irony here is baffling
Good news, the incident was disgusting and the reactions were also disgusting, how they defended his behavior was disgraceful.
Good riddance, sick piece of shit
0 Goles, Gilipollas!
Y que no vuelva.
Did his mother starved herself already?
One of the reasons I want Catalonia to gain independence is to stop being associated with these kind of people, Spain is full of them
What it is something in the water? Because I don't think Spain has a monopoly of rich entitled assholes
There are assholes in every place of the Planet, and Catalonia is definitely not an exception
What do you mean these kinds of people?
Pretty sure he means entitled assholes.
Because obviously in Catalonia people in positions of power are always respectful and honorable
Politicians in Catalonia have everybody high on the separatist Kool aid meanwhile public services fall apart and crime is on the rise.
But seemingly everything is evil Spain's fault. Nothing is better for corrupt politicians than a unified enemy.
I missed the majority of the outrage. Did she not want the kiss? Didn't they know each other outside that event?
No to both of those questions
I only heard there was something about all that, but I do not pay attention to sport, but it keeps resurfacing
I don’t either lol, just watched a video on it after it happened and moved on with my life
She said in interview that she didn't consent to it, he dragged her face towards him and kissed her: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U6C6qPpoG6I](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U6C6qPpoG6I)
He deserved to get fired.
Dude's also married with daughters. Maybe there's some cultural differences in Spain, but I'm pretty sure lip kisses aren't ok for married men to be doing to their non spouse
Maybe? Try certainly.
I'm a pretty common European thing. He probably would have done it if she was a dude.
Shame he resigned.
So common that the country he's from was also outraged by it?
Source? When I checked I have seen lots of support.
"I looked for people supporting him and I found people supporting him".
He was made to resign against his own wishes, which means the guys up top who analyse public reception saw that the general public disagreed.
The general public or the loudest and most irrational public?
You realize that in the last 10-15 years the court of public opinion has been weaponized but a loud minority to great effect.
Oh, I guess you don't since you are the one enjoying finding people to get mad at.
And who says I was looking for people who specifically aggred? Maybe you should get out of your ecochamber and touch grass?
You sound like someone living in Germany talking about how everyone is overreacting about that Hitler guy and that the vast majority of your friends agree that this Holocaust this is a farce...
I am wholly unsurprised the guy trying to say that unwanted intimate contact is okay is also quick to compare to the holocaust.
No, right now *you* are the one trying to downplay everything and act like nothing bad happened.
"European thing" Brother IN CHRIS EUROPE IS NOT A COUNTRY. You realise every country has diffrent norms? And tell me one EUROPEAN LOCATION this is common? Or mayby me living in Central Europe is not European?
When did I say Europe was a country?
Ive seen it in my time in France, Italy, Spain, Brazil. I also know people from Argentina, Greece and the Netherlands who I've seen do it.
Fired? God forbid you ever make a mistake at anytime ever.
If you sexually assault someone, you typically will get fired, yes.
Might I ask why you seem so fond of defending those who attempt to force physical intimacy on women?
How this is assault and sexual is beyond me.
It's like the US thinks the rest of the world doesn't exist.
But say it was sexual assault, I'm sure you consider it a spectrum, at least?
Hand under the shirt isn't the same as hand on the shoulder.
Drunk grooping isn't the same as a celebratory kiss.
Can you think of any sexual assault that would constitute a warning?
And if you can't, what about reform? Probation? Education?
What about them working again?
Do you not see how your position is fucking draconian?
I agree that sexual assault is a spectrum, and that a kiss is different from groping.
I can think of all sorts of crimes and misdemeanors that would warrant reform, probation, and/or education.
I absolutely think that people who have committed crimes, including sexual offenders, who have also gone through the proper systems of reform should be allowed to work again.
Do you not see how your assumptions about my position on the matter are fucking baseless and stupid?
Now, you answer my question. Why are you seemingly so keen on defending sex offenders?
Not sure how you think I could have inferred that position from your previous post where you said they typically should be fired.
Also, the fact that you would call this kiss sexual assault was pretty suggestive. Misconduct would be more appropriate, if at all.
This sort of expression of celebration is pretty common in lots of places in earth. I've seen it myself in time around the world, even between men.
And your question also further suggests in retrospect my assumption of your position. It implies that they don't deserve defense.
To be clear, you come off as someone who thinks all sexual assault is the same sort of bad and all humanity and respect of humans rights should be removed.
You have claimed to not be that sort of person and I've tried to make a case as to why I got that impression.
I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt moving forward.
Anyway, as for the answer to your question, I go into detail in the previous post I just wrote.
I'm on my phone so please give me a moment to edit this comment with a link to it.
Oh, and btw, I was browsing all and got curious. The draconian and dismissive comments upset me.
Sexual assault is generally defined as "unwanted sexual contact" according to the National Center of Victims For Crime, circa 2012. I am using the accepted parlance of my nation and time-period.
Sexual assault, and sexual misconduct, are both frequently considered fireable offenses in many parts of the world.
In some places, a nonconsensual kiss may be treated as harmless. I do not believe that to be right, and could not care less about the mores and standards of the country wherein said kiss is delivered. If the other party doesn't want to be touched, they oughtn't be.
I don't believe that all forms of sexual assault are the same. However, I also don't believe that punishment for crimes or misdemeanors is analogous to the removal of human rights.
This guy kissed a woman who did not want to be kissed. He came under sufficient social pressure that he resigned from his job, and, were he less wealthy, he would likely have been fired outright. I am no arbiter of justice, but I have no objection to what happened to him. One oughtn't kiss people without their consent.
You may defend who you wish, how you wish. Be aware though, if you frequently defend those who impose their affections forcibly on others, people will make inferences about your moral character.
You make a well reasoned response, thank you. But I don't think intention and culture should be removed.
You saying you could not care less if frankly abhorrent.
Someone's lived experience is based on the environment the grew up in. To ignore that and force your own sense of justice onto them shares company with some really really nasty people across history.
And I ask you to double check your sources, misconduct is different both morally and legally pretty much everywhere vs assault.
And misconduct normally isn't a fireable offense and if it is, it shouldn't be. Unless there is a risk for further misconduct or worse, then something like sensitivity training, warnings, shifting of environments should ethically be explored first before a nuclear option.
This is fundamental 9/10 of a crime is intention stuff. If you want to live in a world where you cut off someone's finger because they stole a loaf of bread, then you do you.
By the way, you called what he did assault while it was clearly misconduct. His mistake was not instantly apologizing the moment she admitted she was uncomfortable. Though I honestly can't blame him where there is such cognitive dissonance on what is and isn't acceptable these days ...
Abhor it if you like. A culture that lets a man grab a woman by the face, kiss her without her say-so, and face no consequence is a culture that I have no interest in respecting. I am a being of no political power, so it's not as though I can do much harm to such cultures, but that's my personal feeling on the matter.
You're right, sexual misconduct is different than sexual assault. A quick Google sees it defined as "a broad term that includes sexual assault (rape, sexual fondling, incest, or statutory rape) as well as sexual exploitation and sexual harassment". Given that what this coach did falls under the bounds of the aforementioned definition of "sexual assault" by the NCVC, I'm fine with him being penalized accordingly.
I would say that impact bears more substantial weight than you give it in the classification of crimes. Intent matters, but it's by no means 90% of what determines a wrongdoing. Consider reckless endangerment and manslaughter and the hefty punishments both can incur. "I didn't mean to" and "I didn't know better" can only get one so far.
This man's mistake was not apologizing, not in my book. He made his mistakes a long time before he chose to manhandle a woman, and he was taught "what is and isn't acceptable these days" in a firm manner that was clearly overdue.
I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this issue, and neither of us has any real influence over the case in question, so let's agree to disagree and go our separate ways.
He also used funds from his position to arrange orgies in the past and has a quite extensive history of being a sex pest outside of this. His career has literally been filled with sex scandals over the past couple years, so it’s safe to say that he’s likely had plenty of warnings by this point. Not that you’ll care, given that you’re just a troll who defends rapists all day (for some reason, you weirdo)
I do care and it doesn't change my point. Couple of years? What are you talking about?
From my research this was all at the height of his fame over a decade ago.
The judge also made no reference to him having an established pattern and from what I saw no evidence of being a sex pest was present.
I'm not exclusively defending rapists, I'm just anti harsh sentencing across the board. I just happen to be defending this guy but often harp this issue, regardless of the crime.
While it's clear the nuance if 10 years in prison vs 30-life probably means nothing to you, that's what I'm trying to advocate for.
Not a troll.
Definitely a troll, no actual human could act like this lmao
But it was okay that one time in that photo of the ww2 sailor coming home and kissing that woman!
Edit. This was sarcasm. Didn't realize it was that hard for some people to realize.
Beh0ld, a moron.
If that woman had come out and said "I didn't like that", then yes, we would now see it the same.
As if you've just pointed to a different sexual assault to justify this sexual assault.
But she did state she didn’t consent to the kiss, and even punched the guy shortly after the famous picture was taken.
I'm gonna need some proof of that. I did my own googling and she did in fact not consent, but there's nothing about her punching him or even being mad, just caught off guard. Still, shouldn't have happened, but she didn't punch him from what I can tell.
The people pictured in the photograph did not previously know one another. Drunk at the time of the photograph, the sailor is shown kissing an unwilling partner (according to historic preservationist Kafi Benz, among the four frames taken by Eisenstaedt, available through Getty Images, the woman is shown defensively socking the man in the face with the closed fist of her one, free arm).
You forgot to mention that you quoted the "interpretations" tab. Not the actual facts of the article. The punch is an opinion by Kafi Benz and literally no one else I can find. The photographer himself, the sailor himself, and the nurse herself never once mentions a punch in spite of being asked about it several times. The closest thing the photographer says is she balled up her fist by her side. In the photo where she is "punching" him, her fist is no longer closed.
I do not condone the kiss, nor do I think she would have been wrong to punch him. But I cannot find anything beyond one woman's opinion that states that the nurse punched him. I'm going to take the word of the 3 people involved in the photo over a historian looking at the photo years later.
>and even punched the guy shortly after the famous picture was taken.
I don't think that's true, I've never seen it mentioned
No, it wasn’t. If you do your homework, that woman didn’t want *that* kiss, either.
I'm reading shit about this now. Read the part about the kiss here, it's really disgusting knowing she was forced.
That kiss isn't the same as this kiss. That one was more romantic and done in a culture where that stuff isn't common.
From my time and experience in Spain, it's pretty common to kiss as an expression of joy. People do it at weddings, new years etc. It's celebratory and sort of like a high five.
The WW2 one is more like sexual and suggestive of women being a symbol of consequence.
However, even in that case, even if she didn't want it, I don't think he should be held to to much consequence.
Intention is 9/10 of consequences.
But from what I gather from your post history, you are more of an impact over intention kind of person.
Which is a shame.
And **you** said the following about convicted violent rapist Danny Masterson:
“Who cares about reform or forgiveness, right?
God forbid you ever fucking make a mistake...”
So, I don’t think I’m going to take anything you have to say about sexual assault seriously.
What part of what I said indicated that what he did was ok?
And of course you would disagree with what I said. Let me guess, you would want everyone who had committed any for of sexual assault to be removed from society forever.
You are nuts. Seriously.
You referred to violent rape as a “mistake”, and you’re calling *me* nuts? Okay, sweetie.
Excuse me, what is your definition of mistake??
"an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong."
What word would you use?
Abhorrent? Viel? Unthinkable? Demonic?
You are proving my point.
You don't care about reform, diplomacy, compassion, acceptance or any or sympathy for anyone that isn't your team.
From what I gather from your post history, all you care about is retributive justice.
That person did something bad? Then all humanity must be stripped away.
It's so fucking terrifying how you don't see this.
I didn't say that guy was right. But that the consequences didn't serve a society that values reform, growth, forgiveness and acceptance for people who have changed.
Seriously. How do you not understand that you are promoting draconian aspect of society that have famously been proven to be extremely bad.
Hopefully this helps you snap out of it.
And more hopefully you aren't ever on a jury or a parent.
If it was non consensual, then it wasn't. Common sense.
"Different times" or something
Everyone says it was an innocent and spontaneous kiss from celebration, including herself. Her and her teammates were [happy and laughing about it](https://twitter.com/bleed_barcelona/status/1699415763604644249). But then you remember you can later accuse him of sexual harrasment so you use the victim card.
she never said that lol … also have you considered that shes clearly drinking in that video and might not have understood the severity of it until she was in a clearer mindset? her teammates celebrating means absolutely nothing considering they werent the ones to be victimized. what exactly do you gain from defending that weirdo, or do you just hate women?
She didn't like it, but also said it was nothing and [it was the moment of celebration](https://twitter.com/partidazocope/status/1693385840691421422). What he did was bad and deserve consequences, it's just weird to be celebrathing the kiss not one time, but twice, than later saying this will be just a story, to then call it sexual harrasment.
But when a [women does the same](https://euro.eseuro.com/trends/920907.html) no one bats and eye.
I don’t know too much about the last part but outside looking in - it’s also possible that she was just trying to forget about it and enjoy a once in a lifetime evening and didn’t want the whole thing to be ruined by that in the moment. Consequences can come afterwards. Otherwise the best thing you’ve achieved in your life will forever be tainted by that, if it’s not already. But at least she could try and have fun
the article you linked literally says people were outraged by it… did you just conveniently not read that so you can use another victims situation to undermine another ones? maybe nobodys batting an eye because hardly much of the general public watches fucking horse races…….. the fact that you think jenni would PURPOSEFULLY get herself dragged through the mud by media and victim blamed (coincidence, just like you’re doing now!) if she really thought it was a moment of celebration like you insist it was is really hilarious to me. the fact of the matter with jennis situation is that it should not be okay or normalized and even if jenni didnt feel in the situation originally that it was inappropriate, it was, and should not have been done on live television. i cant believe you’re finding a way to defend him rn reddit neckbeards are a diff breed
I get that person's argument was not strong but the idea that this is sexual assault is bonkers. It's extremely common to kiss people in a moment of celebration in different parts of the world. It wasn't romantic or sexual. It was the equivalent of slapping someone on the back.
Which from what I gather you and others are also ignoring. Which in turns makes me say that you are a different breed.
The reality is that as a society we are getting more tribal and all nuance is being removed from everything.
kissing someone on the mouth is an intimate act that i and many many other people wouldnt feel comfortable having been done with no consent on live television. sure its common, but between people who have established a relationship of trust/consent. not to mention, the man in question was essentially her boss and had much much higher power than she did. it’s inappropriate to do that to someone who is practically your employee on television without asking for consent. he wouldnt kiss male players as a sign of celebration, right? but yes, it was such a wholesome 100 moment, and not a man taking advantage of a situation to be a creep.
Pretty sure he would kiss male players. And no, you don't need to have intimate relationships
Source: In my time in and around Spain and the EU
You thinking this guy is a creep is wild. Seriously wild. Seriously, stop whatever you are doing. Wild.
It might be in appropriate because reasons, but to say creep implies intent. Something sexual or something involving hunger. Which it clearly is not.
It's clearly an expression of celebration.
Seriously shame on you.
Like, seriously. What the fuck.
Damn bruh, you didn't have to type all these replies out just to tell us you support sexual offenders.
Next time just preface it with, "As a fellow sex offender..."
Then no one has to waste time reading the dumbass shit you just wrote.
Shame on you for supporting sexual assault.
That's not what I'm doing.
I assume in your world, people who you deem to have committed sexual assault should be cut out of society?
Also I don't think this was sexual assault. It's misconduct since he clearly wasn't trying to do anything other than celebrate.
You are a great example why many women are afraid of men . So dense it hurts to read.
Now his mother will starve to death.
Fuck Cancel Culture