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As an orochi main. Orochi is one of the most cancer characters in the game lets be honest. Shinobi can go fuck himself though


Orochi at least looks like he could be worked into something fun and non-cancerous with the right tweaks. Shinobi, on the other hand, is built entirely out of unfun and irritating mechanics.


As another Orochi main, I agree however all the mechanics that would make Orochi good have been given to a campaign boss and are now unusable for “agency”


After Warmonger was first unveiled, the forhonor sub was filled with jokes about how an Orochi rework would show up as a new "Tozenbringer" hero.