So many of our parents didnāt wear headscarfās, even my own mom has photos back in Somalia where sheās had a big Afro listening to disco music
Whenever I bring this up to her, she denies it ever happened, and says āwe were not guided back thanāā¦
How did this happen in such a short time? How did we go from tolerant non practicing Muslims to salafi wahabi ultra conservative force hijab at 2 yrs old
ā¦ itās definitely not our cultureā¦ infact itās so recent, we have centuries of culture where we donāt wear headscarves and our traditional clothing is considered ārevealingā to Islamic and Arabic standardsā¦
Money!!! Wahabi ideologues from Wahabi Universities in Saudi Arabia (again free) came into Somali in the late 90s with buckets full of Oil money, without a state or legal authority to regulate them (like most states in SE Asia, North Africa) this form of Islam spread very quickly as it became linked with prosperity (which at a time of hunger, war, strife made them easy pickings). You have to remember some of these people where in camps for 10+ years, and these madarasas were the only education they recieved particularly Wahabi Islam.
In the early 90s also groups such as Al-Iltihad were formed and the alternatives were drug-crazed clan militias with ruthless warlords or group of people who gave you dinner/lunch at a mosque and gave you free clothes ( the tent hijabs). These groups gained huge following and this form of Islam spread, remember this is also happening in unstable countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen. So, initially the western Somali diaspora were educated, urbanised folk but the balance increasingly shifted to the wahabi ideologues who preyed on the sense of fear of loss of identity and community for their kids.
Yup...we have the receipts. Photo albums show us how liberal in dress, makeup, hair, etc, we were.
Even the ones that try to hide their pictures have family or friends that tell us how they were back in the day.
Have a super liberal (I think atheist) family member who tells me stories about the most wadaad family members and how they were back in day. Makes them embarrassed.
Also...get this...he legit knows a few Al Shabaab members who used to drink alcohol, have premarital sex, rob people and do other so-called haram shit. Shocked, but not shocked, when he outs them.
Al shabab will never make sense to meā¦ so they ākill innocent Somali kidsā because religion says so??? Apparently we are ākuffarā for having democracyā¦ itās almost like they want to live in some Stone Age
Yeah, we are in a different world. Happy to say we are.
And yeah, stone-age principles at work with Islam...I mean, 7th Century warring and take all prisoners as sex slaves or slaves way of life.
As much as I hate to say it, don't ever forget Somalis don't have civics classes to learn about democracy and separation of church and state. Most Somalis' education back home is "religous " (using quotes cause that's not education).
Arabs donāt wear hijab as well! Ever heard of Arab Christians or Arab Jews who wear crosses or small hats on their head? Hijab and modesty can be seen in countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Nigeria. Arabic is the lingua franca of Muslims. Nothing more, nothing less! No one is dying to be an Arab we are Somali with a rich culture that just happens to be Muslim!
Funnily enough, that concept of minorities undergoing an extreme differentiation process, rather than assimilation, is actually a well established phenomenon in social psychology.
Essentially, this is predicated on how different the minority group is to the majority group, the extent of any previous interactions or cultural awareness and the level of disadvantage the minority group experiences.
The more insecure in their social status a minority group is compared to the majority, the more likely they are to strengthen their own social identities, become more insular and compensate feelings of insecurity through outright rejection or discrimination of the out group or majorityās values.
However, I do think Somali hyperislamism is a result of an influx of less educated immigrants post the 90s, coupled with a direct response to the post 9/11 sociopolitical landscape which resulted in reactionary views and the wholesale abandonment of moderatism. A perfect storm of susceptible population, exclusionary social landscape and disadvantage with a nefarious element of extreme religious propaganda.
Sorry for ranting lmao
In our case though the extremism started back home. Someone in the comments has a more detailed explanation but it really stemmed from being preyed on after the war.
Shes beautiful and I would have gone for her if I was the same age. And I think that has something to do with it. Not me, but i think she started wearing the hijab on and off When she got married as form of respect to her husband then later divorced and she may have grewn to like it. You know Hijab is a personal choice and if you have the ability to take it off and then choose to wear it then im glad. Its the not knowing fear of what could happen that hurts me as a brother.
i remeber tht video where she was in kismayo and that older woman told her to wear a jilbab instead of an abaya and a hijab and when she came back the woman started congratulating her, that was so awkward for her and that was such a weird thing to watch
She dead and got kids left behind you can spread anti hijab & Wahhabism stuff without using her as an example showing hodan without a hijab wondering why changed to being covered
She decided to itās her choice she lived in Canada did amazing stuff and was wearing it freely let her RIP
No Iām not a Muslim just have my own opinion, donāt be mad because I disagree with you
Prove me wrong on the points that I made, itās clear as day š¤·š½āāļø
You were the same user crying about a Somali woman wanting to wear a niqab/jilbab on her own choice.
https://www.reddit.com/r/XSomalian/comments/xq932b/tell_me_you_want_to_be_oppressed_without_telling/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I thought as exmuslims in our community we advocated for Somalis to have free decisions letās not be biased and keep it fair
Iāll always Remember Hodan for all the amazing work she did for her people and country.
Rest in Peace to the Greatest, Hodan Nalayeh ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Also Allahu Naxristo (yes I still say this š) to Hodan š may her soul rest. She was killed in a explosion in Kismayo a couple years back leaving her two children behind ā¤ļøāš©¹ She was a true gem to our community
So many of our parents didnāt wear headscarfās, even my own mom has photos back in Somalia where sheās had a big Afro listening to disco music Whenever I bring this up to her, she denies it ever happened, and says āwe were not guided back thanāā¦ How did this happen in such a short time? How did we go from tolerant non practicing Muslims to salafi wahabi ultra conservative force hijab at 2 yrs old ā¦ itās definitely not our cultureā¦ infact itās so recent, we have centuries of culture where we donāt wear headscarves and our traditional clothing is considered ārevealingā to Islamic and Arabic standardsā¦
Money!!! Wahabi ideologues from Wahabi Universities in Saudi Arabia (again free) came into Somali in the late 90s with buckets full of Oil money, without a state or legal authority to regulate them (like most states in SE Asia, North Africa) this form of Islam spread very quickly as it became linked with prosperity (which at a time of hunger, war, strife made them easy pickings). You have to remember some of these people where in camps for 10+ years, and these madarasas were the only education they recieved particularly Wahabi Islam. In the early 90s also groups such as Al-Iltihad were formed and the alternatives were drug-crazed clan militias with ruthless warlords or group of people who gave you dinner/lunch at a mosque and gave you free clothes ( the tent hijabs). These groups gained huge following and this form of Islam spread, remember this is also happening in unstable countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen. So, initially the western Somali diaspora were educated, urbanised folk but the balance increasingly shifted to the wahabi ideologues who preyed on the sense of fear of loss of identity and community for their kids.
Yup...we have the receipts. Photo albums show us how liberal in dress, makeup, hair, etc, we were. Even the ones that try to hide their pictures have family or friends that tell us how they were back in the day. Have a super liberal (I think atheist) family member who tells me stories about the most wadaad family members and how they were back in day. Makes them embarrassed. Also...get this...he legit knows a few Al Shabaab members who used to drink alcohol, have premarital sex, rob people and do other so-called haram shit. Shocked, but not shocked, when he outs them.
Al shabab will never make sense to meā¦ so they ākill innocent Somali kidsā because religion says so??? Apparently we are ākuffarā for having democracyā¦ itās almost like they want to live in some Stone Age
Yeah, we are in a different world. Happy to say we are. And yeah, stone-age principles at work with Islam...I mean, 7th Century warring and take all prisoners as sex slaves or slaves way of life. As much as I hate to say it, don't ever forget Somalis don't have civics classes to learn about democracy and separation of church and state. Most Somalis' education back home is "religous " (using quotes cause that's not education).
Arabs donāt wear hijab as well! Ever heard of Arab Christians or Arab Jews who wear crosses or small hats on their head? Hijab and modesty can be seen in countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Nigeria. Arabic is the lingua franca of Muslims. Nothing more, nothing less! No one is dying to be an Arab we are Somali with a rich culture that just happens to be Muslim!
Absolutely stunning women. Her sister is a millionaire btw. Such an accomplished family.
Funnily enough, that concept of minorities undergoing an extreme differentiation process, rather than assimilation, is actually a well established phenomenon in social psychology. Essentially, this is predicated on how different the minority group is to the majority group, the extent of any previous interactions or cultural awareness and the level of disadvantage the minority group experiences. The more insecure in their social status a minority group is compared to the majority, the more likely they are to strengthen their own social identities, become more insular and compensate feelings of insecurity through outright rejection or discrimination of the out group or majorityās values. However, I do think Somali hyperislamism is a result of an influx of less educated immigrants post the 90s, coupled with a direct response to the post 9/11 sociopolitical landscape which resulted in reactionary views and the wholesale abandonment of moderatism. A perfect storm of susceptible population, exclusionary social landscape and disadvantage with a nefarious element of extreme religious propaganda. Sorry for ranting lmao
I strongly believe itās due to the influx of less educated Somalis migrating. My own parents say so themselves
In our case though the extremism started back home. Someone in the comments has a more detailed explanation but it really stemmed from being preyed on after the war.
Shes beautiful and I would have gone for her if I was the same age. And I think that has something to do with it. Not me, but i think she started wearing the hijab on and off When she got married as form of respect to her husband then later divorced and she may have grewn to like it. You know Hijab is a personal choice and if you have the ability to take it off and then choose to wear it then im glad. Its the not knowing fear of what could happen that hurts me as a brother.
Rear in peace. I really enjoyed her dispatches.
i remeber tht video where she was in kismayo and that older woman told her to wear a jilbab instead of an abaya and a hijab and when she came back the woman started congratulating her, that was so awkward for her and that was such a weird thing to watch
Stop spreading agendas using a dead woman
Iām notā¦ I said above may she Rest In Peace Also her legacy is remembered in the hearts of many Somalis
She dead and got kids left behind you can spread anti hijab & Wahhabism stuff without using her as an example showing hodan without a hijab wondering why changed to being covered She decided to itās her choice she lived in Canada did amazing stuff and was wearing it freely let her RIP
You are the biggest troll in this subreddit. You undercover Islamist. Gtfo.
No Iām not a Muslim just have my own opinion, donāt be mad because I disagree with you Prove me wrong on the points that I made, itās clear as day š¤·š½āāļø You were the same user crying about a Somali woman wanting to wear a niqab/jilbab on her own choice. https://www.reddit.com/r/XSomalian/comments/xq932b/tell_me_you_want_to_be_oppressed_without_telling/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I thought as exmuslims in our community we advocated for Somalis to have free decisions letās not be biased and keep it fair
Glad I have you pressed š and yes niqab should be banned globally. Go lose sleep over that š
People should wear whatever they want
Itās not a choice if youāre doing it to be spared eternal hellfire
Iāll always Remember Hodan for all the amazing work she did for her people and country. Rest in Peace to the Greatest, Hodan Nalayeh ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø