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urannoyingmee

You can’t, I’ve seen us irl and we look like any other Somali person.


One-Wrongdoer1110

You’re deff right about the physical appearance but there has to be some personality similarities since this community shares the same mindset - I can’t image there isn’t a cluster of traits


urannoyingmee

The only Somalis that I can easily and correctly identify as ex-Muslim are usually the ones from back home. They’re heavily into books around philosophical theories, very critical of films and are also deep into stoicism Diasporans? From my experience you really can’t tell as much.


One-Wrongdoer1110

Mmh I have been having more discussions with my dad and he proper surprised me with his understanding of religious indoctrination and faith being opposite of logic, only he is for it. Somalis from back home seem more mature when they give their negative views around religion instead of edgy 👍🏾


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OMG, there is hope then. 💙


thewyhgyank

Nearly impossible lol. Unless they explicitly tell you they’re XMuslim or irreligious there’s no way of knowing. Even the ones that don’t wear hijab and drink and party can still be “Muslim.”


One-Wrongdoer1110

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, really sad. But no one would know this about me either


mastermanifestorsss

Icl maybe in 10-20 yrs it’ll be safe for us to come out of hiding but for now, I guess it’s the luck of the draw


Resom574

If we gave you the roadmap if there was such to begin with then that'd also endanger us. Though I'll just say that just cause Ali drinks and Casha is hijabless with a bow on top doesn't mean they don't have "strong ties" to the religion to the level of not batting an eye when they hear about gays being thrown... or Ex muslims gettng klled. So be cautions no matter how "liberal" others may seem.


One-Wrongdoer1110

You’re right


sithsidefarax

I'm kind of a loner not gonna lie, I know a lot of people but I like my solitude; not the frivolous type.


minnuttemann

I wish I could find y’all irl. Imagine a friend group of us??? That would be amazing. Maybe one day.


One-Wrongdoer1110

It would be nice to for once to vocalize these things 😳 I think one can go mad after silence for an entire lifetime about something so fundamental to life. What city are you in? Make a thread and try to connect


One-Wrongdoer1110

In that case you don’t want the attention, I am legit in a Somali filled neighborhood everywhere you see knee length jilbaab and men shit talking outside little cafés. I can’t wait for uni😻 where I can find a larger group of young Somalis, I have always been around other Muslim minorities but I feel like they don’t practice the religion the same way


minnuttemann

They def don’t. Somalis are the most strict and crazy abt the deen, although Arabs are the OG’s in the religion they’re very lax, so are south asians and other groups from my experience. Lmfaoo Somali abtiis talking politics all day- so shaqolaan 😭 A universal Somali experience. Good luck when you go to Uni and I hope you find your fellow Somalis there to be open-minded 🫶🏽


One-Wrongdoer1110

Something more intense about it, when they are extreme they are 100 times worse but on average it’s harder for Somalis to just be indifferent. Thanks hope the same for you too ❤️


minnuttemann

Helll no!!! 😭 I live in a city that’s veryy unknown- people would be shocked to know there’s Somalis here 💀. If I posted sumn abt it that would be a bad idea. When I move I def will partake in meetups tho!!


pixlpak

Yeah I hear you about it only being a conversation you’ve had in your own head. It needs to be let out at some point. Are you on clubhouse? There are a lot of rooms there, almost daily, with somali ex muslims. Even if you don’t talk, just listening to people with the same thoughts as you is very reassuring and calming. Check out the ‘somali agnostic’ group, ‘proud family’, ‘somali free thinkers’


One-Wrongdoer1110

Thank you I have never heard of that app, ill make sure to join :)


EnterData

Or join the discord and find the ones in your city, that would be a good start


Decent-Report3369

The problem is, in most cases Somalis who are "formally" irreligious are closeted. They do not want to be found. This is especially true when they are around another Somali from the community. So for the most part unless they are willing to show themselves to you, you will not see them as they are. Luckily, there are spaces like these. Where we can come out of hiding without repercussion. Where we can be freed from that mental exhaustion we experience from silencing an aspect of who we are.


One-Wrongdoer1110

I see


imsorrymo

that’s a really good point actually, i’ve never thought about that. normally the somalis you see partying and drinking still identify as muslim. whereas the actual irreligious bunch are mostly closeted and don’t try to attract attention out of safety. i may be generalising though


Vyvanse-virgin

Hvor i Oslo? Hvilke bydel?


Ocean-pearl

Hei jeg bor også i Oslo, vil gjerne bli kjent med dere begge!💕


One-Wrongdoer1110

Jeg bor i byen 🤍 vil ikke gi nabolaget hehe men det er sentrum


Vyvanse-virgin

Innenfor ring 2? Oki 😌


One-Wrongdoer1110

Yup har du møtt folk fra Reddit IRL? Litt skummelt. Er redd for at de liver om identiteten sin


urannoyingmee

Jeg kommer fra Oslo forresten men bor i England og besøker hjem noen ganger. Neste gang jeg kommer hjem, skal jeg legge til en post her og vi kan sikkert møtes! 😁


One-Wrongdoer1110

Yay en person til ❤️looking forward, følger med 🙏🏾


urannoyingmee

U/atheistfromsomalia bor i Oslo. Veldig hyggelig fyr.


urannoyingmee

Og jeg har møtt folk fra Reddit irl, blitt veldig gode venner med noen av dem. Livet er ikke like farlig som vi pleier å forstille oss 💖


Vyvanse-virgin

Blir fort avslørt etter første møtet da. Ja, gjort det før.


One-Wrongdoer1110

Mmh vil bare ikke at en psycho skal ta bilder av meg og sende til familie 😭 er du i Oslo nå? Vil gjerne treffe noen og du virker pålitelig


Vyvanse-virgin

Tror ikke jeg vil bli avslørt for å ha møtt deg her. Så hvorfor skal jeg være dum og sende bilder til familien din?


One-Wrongdoer1110

Men hva om det er en kjempe religiøs person som er undercoveragent liksom ? Så tvinger de deg til å møtes hver fredag på moskeen og tilbe sammen med dem etc you never know. Men jeg stoler på deg da


Vyvanse-virgin

Sant nok. Møtes på offentlig sted er alltid lurt


Vyvanse-virgin

Ja, jeg er i Oslo


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One-Wrongdoer1110

Didn’t consider this, don’t want to single someone out


imsorrymo

almost impossible tbh. i wear a hijab and dress very modestly just like most somali women. even people i know thought i was salafi/religious before i told them about leaving islam 🥲