>Plus if you dont give us a free skill reset for all our crews with this crew change.... i swear to god....
You could always get the plus subscription to accumulate gold for crew resets so there's no need for such! Another great idea is to bend over and spread the cheecks for them!
Spend 1000s on this game since closed beta. Stopped spending money about 2017. Pay the odd.monrhky here and there.
Would 100% not buy a pixel tank from a game that feels like a rug pull cash grab is happening this year.
Don't spend money and resources on their stupid auctions and gambling boxes for another pixel.premium.
Most of us have 20 or 30 of them gathering dust as they're shite now.
Absolutely correct what he said here you get the tank it looks pretty good you pay all the money for it upgrade all kinds of money out pocket go out there and they've already thrown out a new premium that's dirt and everybody and you have no chance against me just go out there and blow people up constantly what a piece of s*** game
>Whats next? NFT garbo
Erm, ekhm, Assembly Shop and the "numbered skins" are kinda the WoT's equivalent of NFTs, erm, ekhm, the only difference is that you can't legally sell these, ekhm, erm.
Though there are mods which show your tank in a numbered skin, and you can pick the number you want.
Of course, only you get to see that numbered skin, other players just see whatever paint/skin is really on your tank, but... for some people a skin only they can see is enough. I use one for Type 59s - every one in the game is the gold dragon skin :)
i can guarantee you obj780 was going to be a nft tank and thats why it has numbers, then they saw the backlash nft gave to other companies and they step back, the lion just continued with the numbers because that sells a lot.
I was going to log in tonight for the first time since sunday, but with the news of their overall CT proposal, I think I'll just skip, maybe go on a full hiatus.
Yep I agree.
They could have reaped in money for years and years more but now it has just become clear they don't care about their customers one tiny bit. It's only about more more more.
You know whats the worse part? They have a discord channel only for CCs so they can give them feedback and shit. All the CCs literally told them that this update was complete garbage, they didn't change a single comma regarding the complains on the test server. Zero.
Yeah if this patch goes live, i'll be done with the game and sell my account or some shit trying to get some money back i've spent over the years.
I've seen plenty of people saying they quit if this patch comes and meh i just kept playing, it's my time now.
I pay for a yearly premium account each december, now with the second fuking premium system, i feel like being shit on.
So yeah it's gonna be the end of wot for me and selling/giving away my account will confirm the end as i have 0 interrest in ever starting over.
There was premium time which covered WoT, WoWs and WoWp.
Then the greedy guys made WoT premium and WoWs premium with increased benefits, but they arent covering both games.
And now those greedy guys bring up pay to win premium plus.
Guess you can go an screw yourself now. Thats too greedy for me.
Fun fact WG Premium is still a thing and they occasionally give it out over on world of warplanes for free. It just adds a small boost to credit earnings.
Well Wot+ is absolutely p2w. Allows you to move bond equipment around for free, block an extra map and get a lot of passive crew XP when not even playing. It is the definition of paying for a major advantage.
The crew is effecting your performance in battle, thus it's pay to win. Same thing with the bond equipment being moved around for free where as it costs 300 to demount it for people not paying. It is giving you an actual advantage IN BATTLE over other players that you wouldn't typically have.
WoT+ is a lot different than simply buying a premium tank or having premium time honestly. While the tank might be good and all, you're still on the same playing field against free to play players in battle. Now though you will be able to move equipment around that typically doesn't get moved very often (bonds) on top of gaining XP for your crew without even needing to play the game. That isn't really paying to progress anymore, it's simply giving you an advantage over other non paying players on the actual battle field. It also makes the gap between free to play players much more extreme so they will end up quitting the game over time.
Lol... you are seriously asking and defending this... WoT player base is stupid as hell... This game is the epitome of P2W... I can tell you hundred of things... but let me give you one example... take any tech tree tank... and try it against any premium tank like Vipera, BZ 176 or Skoda T56... and now take any 2-3 years old premium tank... and try it against the new premium tank of the same tier... you will get your answer... not only the premiums are better than the tech tree tanks... they are alos better than any of the old premiums... and this is just one example.. I can give you hundred of examples... WoT is the most monetized game in the gaming industry... ask anyone... or google... fool if you were in front of me... I wud have slapped you hard...
I think fifa is the most monetized game…u know u can get prem tanks for free? And tiger 2 is very good techtree tank…or cearnaveron…u don’t need prem tanks to play the game…and u can win and have good rounds without it. Sure prem tanks are stronger or easier to play…they cost real money..if they were bad no one would buy them. Balancing habe to be taken for sure…like chieftain, bourasque etc. but for me as a good 4% player…the game makes quite fun. Sure i paid 2k und the last 12 years…but 45k battles and the severs still running. Even the company changed to a European one is a very good step for this game
> In wows all the ccs coordinated and gave WG a big fat middle finger. It was chaos, they had to actually start listening to their players.
I was there for that. It accomplished nothing other than putting a lot of CCs out of the program of their own volition. WoWs is still chugging on in the same direction they have been.
they did nerf the submarines to shit, they made public the lootbox chances, they changed the shit model they had for new lines where you had to buy lootboxes to get them early. They gave the camo the fkn mause wanted for that trash dd and so on
Nah dog, subs are still brutally OP, next to zero counter play for lots of ships. Hell some ships didn't have any ASW until relatively recently. They keep shoving in more Subs every patch.
CVs are still broken OP, plus AA is effectively useless on most ships which just makes the CVs more OP.
Now they're adding Hybrid DDs yes I said DDs as in destroyers.
WoWs player numbers have been steadily tanking across all servers for months now and WG doesn't seem to give a shit.
Bro just look at the Pan-American cruiser like fiasco and tell me if WG gives a fuck what CCs say
And yet theyre still chugging on with all the actual meaingful stuff... that didnt change.
Like they handed you token shit and youre happy for it, while laughing at you as the shove more subs (literally just added british ones) into the game and more planes (or did you miss the hybrid US bbs they just added) into the game, and more superships (super petro and super conqueror are on the way) into the game and more gimmick ships into the game (the PanAm cruisers with a free funny button coming soon). Lot of good the CC exodus did, huh?
Nah mate its all good, they got a camo for a shitty battleship, publicized shit they were eventually gonna have to publicize anyway and didnt really change early access for ship lines at all. Nor did they really nerf the things that make subs awful to play against. You certainly got them there... lmao.
Who pays you to post incorrect things on the internet? Like my guy you were wrong about the WoWs CC exodus actually changing things. Dont be mad you got called out.
Wot CCs can't do nothing and maybe wan't do nothing, they seems to be on the player's side, but at the end of the day they are the salesmen of WOT.
I always see a pattern: at every major change in WOT, CC gets mad, all releasing the same angry video, next day they move on and it's all good and they open the 200 boxes wg gives them.
Just wot plus is p2w?
All over the years, the new prem tanks at least since Progetto are p2w
But there is still one easy way to play without support: play free to play, it's not that difficult
this step seems almost necessary cause premium-revenue probably has tanked in the past?!
I started this game almost 1 year ago (Feb22). Right away i bought a premium tank with 30 days premium. i am used to any form of subscription for f2p so i didnt bother and it was the same price like in any other MMO.
later that year i bought another prem tank with agian 30 days of premium.
Except for those 60 days, i spend real money on improved battle passes last year (except the t823 earlier this year) and also bought 40 of the christmas boxes.
Where am i standing now? thats right. 18 days premium left.
And i am not even the most active player out here. i bet there are players who could manage to be on premium for an entire year without every buying premium. WG throws is it out to frequently with all those events and i feel like it hasnt always been like that. but they can't cut the loot now.
I cant know but my guess is that you people actually had to buy premium a few years ago. frequently.
Yah, this was a good game. Fun, strategic, and had some great historical aspects I appreciated. It has become too monetized and soon there will be floating adds during matches to unlock boxes or something like some sketchy mmo.
I have put a lot of time and money into this game. Until people actually stop playing nothing will change. No one cares I know, but I will be stepping a way and hopefully others do the same. "Crisis precipitates change". Nothing will happen until people stop playing and wargaming starts losing money. It would be great if a shit ton of us stopped for like 2-3 months and see what happens.
I have plenty of other games I will invest in. I don't live for this game as they are trying to make us do. Good luck tankers
Lmao that over reaction
Why would it be be pay to win?
* Blocking +1 map
* Having a rental T8 heavy
* Free demounting
* Increased crew xp for 1 tank
* 500 gold weekly
Inside a match, I can not see where I'd be in a disadvantage compared to a WOTP member. TS-54 maybe, but who really cares, when there are like \~150+ T8 premiums already...?
Honestly as a long time whale, I couldn't care less about this. Great for new players, not a great deal for veterans/collectors...
Free demounting is a massive buff to the most powerful equipment.
Now you can pay to swap 3 purple pieces from tank to tank, bypassing one of their original balancing factors.
There will be no time. They already have mods that auto equip and was proven in the other thread that there will be one for equipment too. So any tank you select it will just auto move the equipment you previously selected over to the new tank as long as the tank the equipment is on isn't currently in a battle. So it will take literally 1 second to click one button to have all your bond equipment on the next tank you want to play each time.
It's pay to win by definition and any player from any other competitive game would confirm it for you if you want. Having an advantage in battle that you wouldn't typically have due to a credit card is pay to win. Free to play players will only have a handful of bond equipment that stays on the tank it's on permanently while the wallet warriors will have three pieces of bond equipment on basically every tank they play if they choose.
Plus being able to gain 4.4 million crew XP a year without even playing the game at all is a massive advantage over other players. Currently if you want to use gold to get XP for your crew you still have to play the game to earn XP to then exchange for free XP in which you pump it into your crew. Now you don't even have to do that, just drop a crew into a tank, hit the XP button from WoT+ and enjoy your crew getting maxed out without playing.
You can bury your head in the sand all you want, it won't change facts.
>You can bury your head in the sand all you want, it won't change facts.
It's ironic, coming from you. You act like "win" and "advantage" were the same terms on purpose.
In case you haven't realized, WoT+ provides ADVANTAGE, not WINS/VICTORIES. No WoT+ member will become 4k WN8 unicum just because of this subscription ffs. Literally everything you mentioned CAN be earned and done as a F2P, simply you have to provide something in return (credits/bonds).
It would be P2W if F2P could not do the same things as WoT+ members. To my current knowledge, F2P can farm bonds, so they can in fact remove bond equipment. They can farm credits, so they can purchase crew books any time to improve crew skill levels...
Does WoT+ provide advantage over F2P? Of course.
Does WoT+ make players win more often due to the subscription? No. Simple as that.
I get it, you don't like it, you whine about it and go all emotional over it, but at the end of the day, a F2P account with some effort put into it, can do the same thing, so it is not P2W. If it had a T8 premium that dominates meta even in the hands of a trash player, then it would be P2W, but to my knowledge even TS-54 is a garbage, so not P2W in that regard either...
I'm done. I'm literally done with this game. They don't care. We will also don't care.
Played since 2014. Being a veteran for 9 years. I'm glad this is coming to an end. I'm calling a quit from this point on.
Screw this, and fuck this game. They are literally eating chalks. By the time they realized that they were losing, it will be already too late. I'm glad this game is dying thanks to over-greedy and incompetent developers.
I wonder too, like WG seems to ruin the game with the crew system rework, yet WoT+ is the final straw for some people.
Lmao, I knew the community is stupid af from xvm, but then seeing these literal clowns on reddit... I'm just speechless...
I mean yeah WG is milking the players as much as they can (as usual) but how is that pay to win? I'm not gonna win more because I can ban extra maps or change equipment.
(Asking seriously, i havent played wot for a while and im not up to date)
I believe being able to pay to have unlimited equipment demounting which includes improved / bond equipment is pay-to-win.
Demounting bond equipment traditionally cost 200 bonds in an effort to prevent players from frequently moving bond equipment.
bond equipment makes such a big difference man. Its 100% pay to win having the ability to play literally all your tanks with bond equipment if you pay the fucking new subscription
actually it reduces "p2w". or specifically gear grind distance between older and newer players.
1) old time players have bond equip on their favorite tanks. clan players have thousands of bonds unused.
2) they have enough bonds to move equip at least for 3-marking and stuff
3) new players (or players who don't play t10 much) don't have as many and definitely have no free bonds to move equip too much
4) free move of bond equip reduces gap between older players and new ones
and the difference between bond and bounty equip is typically 1-2% that is not worth 200x3 move price unless you are trying to 3 mark or it's your favorite tank you love to play.
That 2% you mentioned makes a big ass difference on a lot of tanks. 2% over hundreds of battles and thousands of shots adds up it's overall value.
Plus like the other comment stated, you are only mentioned paying players that are getting WoT+. For free to play players this widens the gap even more and there is going to be a huge exodus within the first few months this update releases. On top of free players not being able to actually retrain all their crews with a ton of new skills being added to the game.
We can also point to the fact gaving passive crew XP as being a huge pay to win factor too. Previously if you wanted to just buy crew XP you still needed to play the game to get free XP or use gold to use your excess XP to change to free XP. Either way, you had to actually be playing to earn the XP in the game. Now you don't. You can just drop a crew in a tank, click the passive XP button, come back a week later and have your first skill already done. It will dish out 4.4 million crew XP over the course of a year when not even playing....
actually yes, this is the only positive aspect of this goddarned update... for pay2play pay2win new/ish players.
For free2play new/ish players this makes the game 1000 times worse
Since you can move your bond equipment for free, it means you only need one of each.
It's the same for basic equipment by the way. With 200 tanks in my garage, I have spent some hundred million credits only buying equipment. The amount of credit grind this subscription can save you is huge and this will have massive implication on the economy of the game.
It’s not the end all be all. But doing something x% better then the next guy absolutely makes a difference or it wouldn’t be in the game or worth the time to grind and get. For bond hardening it’s an extra 50hp on a chief. May not make a difference all the time but the time it keeps you in a fight is gonna be huge.
So hear me out. Because people who pay for wot+ can use bond equipment which btw is 1% better than bounty equipment. That way theyr dpg will go up like 2000 more and they will win 70% games.
So pay to win. Cant believe it
Well, Imma be honest, I love the game, I grew up with it, I thought I had seen everything, but now, hell nah..
Im just sad, because they are killing it without even a single sight of remorse..
They don't give a single shit about players opinion, they just don't fucking care, it is just about money.
I wish someone in this fking company will take over it, change everything for better, but it is just dreams
Can someone pls explain where this is "pay to win". Sry but this doesnt make sense to me, its not like you are getting better in this game. Yeah the grind is shorter, but that is a downside for me. I play this game since 2013 and the grind is what i love about this game. I see that WG is grabbing our Cash again, but pay to win? nah. Its not like you are losing something if you dont get WG Plus. For me the BZ176 is much more game breaking than this.
Sry for my broken english
free bond equipment transfer. Free T95/FV4201 at tier 8 premium tank. Free crew experience even when you dont play the game. But mainly the free bond equipment demount, thats the biggest pay2win shit this game has ever seen
Gotta make up shit to make your arguments more believable. Seriously, it has two ears that basically every t8 in the game can pen, a drivers hatch, a turret ring, and in some cases a mantlet area you can shoot. Its also slower, only has 8 degs of gun dep, cant permatrack, doesnt have the laser cannon that the chieftain has, doesnt have that great pen.
Yes, since if you are a shit player, having bond equipment on your tank will make you win more games. Man, you have no fucking idea what are you talking about. A shit player will be shit no matter what tank/equipment he has. As for the good players, can they still perform with bond equipment or not.
>A shit player will be shit no matter what tank/equipment he has
That's me!! :)
And I've got bond and experimental equipment on some of my favourite tanks, doesn't help me much at all, I still suck.
...maybe I should try playing when sober? Naaahhhh.....
Honestly this argument of yours is extremely stupid. Just because the player you're against didn't take full advantage of it doesn't mean he didn't have the advantage to begin with solely due to his wallet.
Being able to move around all your bond equipment gives an insane advantage on a lot of tanks, even for shit tier players. That extra second on a reload can make a difference when spread out over hundreds to thousands of battles. Same with the dispersion and so on.
WoT+ is giving advantages over players not buying it both in ease of grind (since they never have to buy equipment ever again) but also IN BATTLE advantages with the bond equipment and crews being inflated by passive gains.
The passive crew XP is also paying to win. You can gain over 4 million crew XP without even playing the game each year with WoT+ for fucks sake. At least currently if you wanted to use free XP to pump up a crew you still have to play the game to get the XP to then exchange to free XP with gold. That's out the window.
Idk that sounds good to me, but not "Pay to win". Which not CC player tranfers their equipment so often? The 1,5% Increase in whatever will not make you and your Tank
"OP" or "Pay to Win" And i have to say that the TS-54 is not comparable to the cheftain. Its not like some system like this existed before WOT plus...... Twitch prime (King Tiger) and see the positve side, they can nerf it because no one bought it and just got it through a subscription.
Mate honeslty how many of ur tanks have bond equipment?
Probably 2-3 at best, yet u still can grind ur daily tanks and premiums without struggle because u adapt, we must adapt to the situation ingame and having 2-3% better tank on some aspects is not game breaking (for me)
I am glad I got out a few years ago. The ruined game balance was a nail to the coffin forme.
But seeing as they have not fixed that, reworked the crew skill tree without giving a free reset and only some crew books to "compensate" this change alongside now with this monstrosity, then I am glad I am not playing this crap anymore. This is not the game I once loved to play and that one hurts deep down.
man i love this game, despite the wargaming garbage, its my hobby. I am on the verge of quitting. It sucks, but this shit is too much. Not sure what to do yet. Fuck.
What makes you think that players won't get free crew resets?
The 12 free retraining orders are for the Common Test, as I understand it. Where you're not expected to change every single tank you own (I have 286 in the garage...)
We simply do not know how the update, when released to everyone, will work, it very well could be free retraining for every crew member - I certainly expect it to be so.
Though, admittedly, I'm prepared to be disappointed... :(
What are you on about? You'll quite literally have Premium account and WoT plus for 10 euros (less than the price of 30 days of Premium time - 2500g)
If you are a F2P player this changes absolutely nothing for you, if you pay for a monthly premium account this is an absolute win, why are so many of you complaining, feel like I'm the only one seeing this as a win?
Like despite WG's overall greed with other stuff, for me personally this is an absolute win.
I know it does, but the Plus Sub is 8 euros for which you get 2000g spread over 4 weeks, on top you just purchase 2 euros worth of gold and gain 30 days of premium time + premium tank only available for sub + free demounting + crew XP, all of that for 10 euros (as a comparison buying 2500g for 30 days of premium time is 11 euros)
The idea is that it's fucking over the people who already have normal premium time.
I.e people who for example opened loot boxes for premium days or already have bought year+ of premium and activated it, they already paid for this and won't get the benefit.
You also can't get the premium+ from gold by tournaments or from battlepass like normal premium, the only way to get it is by paying pure cash.
Hence it's purely pay to win, the only way to get it is to pay.
Normal premium CAN be gained by paying, or by playing, which isn't exactly as close as pure p2w.
>2000g spread over 4 weeks
That's *earn UP TO 500 gold* per week, it's not an automatic "here's 500 gold".
Huh, in Asia server (and others?) they've just permanently LOWERED the cost of premium time, by 8-14%!!
I wouldn't call it P2W as all those are rather "skip the grind" kind of things, but I will agree that it is just big middle finger aimed at playerbase.
Free demounting is a huge resource saver especially if you combine it with mods (before equipment 2.0, thanks to mods you could move cammo nets, repair box and binos without doing anything. You could use 2 cammo nets for hundereds of tanks). And feels just bad, especially if you think about amount of bonds needed to dismount 1 pcs of equipment it kinda hurts. Does it give advantage? yes and no, depends on how you look at it.
Free crew xp and gold vault is a next "skip the grind" thing it helps but you can live without it.
TS-54 as a rental, well generally it is just a premium tank but as a collector it feels kinda bad that this tank is locked behind subscription without the option to obtain the tank alone.
Outside of free equipment demounting it is ok-ish, but I have one question to ask: JUST WHY?
Ofc it gives advantage lol. You can basically sell all your eq because you won't need it - if I have 80 tanks I usually have 4 of 5 equipped with bond eq, absolutely peaked. I won't move it around because it would be too costful, and now all of a sudden I basically have free bond eq for all my tanks, because I will just move it with 0 thought given. And instead of 5 absolutely maxed out tanks, I have 80 of them. Without any penalty whatsoever. This is a huuuge fk you new player move and a huuuge pay or you are fooked move.
That's why I said it depends on how you look at it.
The difference is you don't need to farm resources for demounting insted you are using real money.
Soo, demounting equipment isn't paywalled with real money or something, it is still possible one the same rules as before, that's why I wouldn't classify it as P2W.
In the end your enemy can use only one tank, and you still don't know if he uses any equipemt at all.
On the other hand ppl with huge amount of tanks with free equipment demounting could use better equipment depending on map in comp modes. But then, in those modes you use 3-4 tanks anyway. It just feels bad, not exactly P2W in my opinion.
>This is a huuuge fk you new player move and a huuuge pay or you are fooked move.
I mentioned that, and it is more a middle finger aimed at whole playerbase as who asked for this? And WHY?
But thinking that "I can't live without it, players with WoT plus will ruin my experience" is imo wrong. Impact will be much less noticable than you think. But that doesn't change a fact that this is scum move and it should backfire at WG.
Bro, if you were to use one set of equipment on 80 tanks and swap it each game, it would take more bonds in a week (I play around 400 games weekly on various tanks) than bidding for a Chieftain. It is a huge p2w implementation. But I do get your point, it is technically possible it just depends on the scale and tanks played
>Bro, if you were to use one set of equipment on 80 tanks and swap it each game, it would take more bonds in a week (I play around 400 games weekly on various tanks) than bidding for a Chieftain.
I fully understand that, and that's a thing wich feels bad, but in the end we aren't playing in World of Swapping Equipment, we are playing World of Tanks. My enemy will use only 3 modules at a time and I don't care if he spent 15K bonds for full setup, or spent 8€ to do the same just to swich them from other tank, or don't use equipment at all. And on top of that I don't even know what setup is he using.
I don't like the change, I don't even know why someone created something like that (I mean, for money bruh). But for me it is one of the yet another "questionable" changes:
- isn't exactly P2W, but depending on scale feels better or worse
- feels scummy and bad vs non paying players
- noone asked for something like that
And the worst part is that, that probably nothing will change and we will get this "change" anyway. There were no additional info before, it just dropped on CT, I rly hope that it will at least get changed a bit as removal isn't an option probably. They rly can f*** up everything.
1) WoT isn't "making" anyone do anything or "milking them". You make the decision.
2) It's a game. I never seen so many whiny babies cry about their pixel tanks and stomp their little feet in indignation. Go play something else. It's a free country.
3) Where I spend my money is my fucking business. If I want to get all the goodies specifically to kick in pixel tank baby dick, goddam 'murica I will!
4) Stoopid capitalism and companies making money. Screw them and all there effort to make a game and profit. My god those sick mother fuckers.
5) Babies want a purely socialist game where everything is super even-steven. Oh wait, there is that skill thing.... maybe as a WGR goes up, we increase RNG to miss shots and bounce more so we can try and get rid of that mean old skill factor.
The only thing that stood out to me from it as P2W and not just over the top money grubbing was the offline crew training.
But there are a ton of negatives and few tiny positives in this CT. WG has already been killing my motivation to play for the last couple patches and even more money grubbing than they ever used to do, but I may just go on hiatus for awhile. Been having fun in some other games lately anyways.
for me the free bond equipment demount is the biggest pay2win garbage tbh. With that shit in the game i just got to have it. its insane the money grab, completely out of control.
free bond equipment demount, free crew exp, the fucking OP tank, the extra map exclusion, the fucking crew change without giving us a free reset for all crews?!?!?!? these clowns are crazy with the moneygrab
I can see the equip demount creeping from pay for convenience to pay to win, but it's not as direct as offline crew training. Basically you are paying to save 200 bonds, which will eventually add up to getting another bond equip, so that is the extra in battle advantage i guess.
End of the day, I think most can agree that WOT plus is a ridiculous money grab, to be stacking a 2nd subscription on top of the premium time (which is essentially a subscription already).
agreed, offline crew training is not an issue at all. Imagine when someone make mod that remember your setups on every tank and you can just one click to move bond eq from tank to tank for free. Thats 100% p2w
You have bond equip on tank today. You move it to another tank (for bonds)
You have bond equp on a tank tomorrow. You give WG your money and move it to another tank for free.
Either way, you still have bond equip on your tank in battle. Saving bonds is absoutely super strong, as it gets you MORE bond equip faster than if you're spending bonds moving it around all the time, but it's not really changing anything in battle for you compared to today.
However, depending on how fast the crews train offline, you are directly paying money to have a better crew tomorrow without even playing the game. Granted, the same effect can also be achieved by crew books, but I would also consider crew books to be directly p2w. Because you are getting an advantage from having a better crew in battle potentially without playing at all (buying credits to get crew books is a stupid move, but I'm sure some people do it).
Guarantee there's gonna be some whales out there subbing wot plus and dropping cash on crew books to be the first to new max skills crews.
You don't get it, do you? An average player plays around 30-40 games daily. If you have, idk, 70 tanks, usually people equip them all, usually in standard eq because it would be ridiculously expensive to equip them all in bond eq, especially if you wanna be competitive, get tanks like Chief, 907 etc. However, bond eq allows you to get the max of your tanks. But you cannot really move it around that much because it costs bond - and playing 1 game, then movig to another tank for 1 game,and over and over again would be just impossible for the reasons above, if you play 40 games all in different tanks - no one wastes the most valuable resource in the game for this.
Now, if you have wot plus you can basically take all your 70 tanks and sell absolutely fking everything, because you won't need it. All you need is 2 sets of bond eq or 1 per each tank class if yout want, so as not to wait for the tank if you only have one) and you are golden, just move it around for absolutely 0 penalty whatsoever. What this means is that instead of having 4-5 absolutely maxed out tanks with bond eq, you can have 70 absolutely maxed out tanks with bond eq without having to hoard an absurd amount of bonds to set them all up or move it around. This is the biggest p2w move they have ever introduced
I think your definition of an average player might not be quite accurate, but I think your point is valid overall, and it is more p2w than I was giving it credit for, even though I was honestly agreeing 99% with what you guys were saying anyways.
thats not how it works genius, you dont have an unlimited amount of bonds. specially since you always want to buy more to be able to maximize your favorite tanks. With this shit all that goes away
Don't bother arguing with the whales, only an absolute gimp would currently spend bonds regularly to demount bond eq.
This plus makes it 1000% pay to win. Every session u demount from every tank and remount
People will literally pay the 8e a month purely for that.
Anyone that doesn't think that's pay to win is obv loot box enjoyer
i mean if they impement this shit i have to either pay or just quit the game entirely. I am not going to play this game if everyone and their mothers play their tanks with bond equipment but me. Fuck that.
Premium account was always pay to win... but at least you had ways to get it for free and it didn't seriously effects your vehicles. But this... this is bad. Like, no way to get it free, gives exp to your crews for free, free demounts INCLUDING BOND EQUIPMENT and a free t8 prem. What the fuck wargaming
Premium account just save your time, plus comfort to play - one extra shitty map can be excluded. No P2W at all. Subscription - free demounting it’s a huge advantage, every battle with bond equipments
can you imagine what would happen in world of warcraft if they charged another subscription on top of the one they already have???? and yet we are swallowing the whole thing here. Its really nuts how soft this playerbase is.
There is to many apes that are willing to spend money on this game and stuff like WOT PLUS for us to be able to change anything and get wargaming to listen. I used to spend money but around the time the skorp g came out I stopped because that's when things started getting bad. Honestly tho this update could make or break the game Imo. If done right the crew rework and the random events can be good, I really like the idea of random events, but knowing wg they will Fack it up somehow, but I hope not.
It’s only 9 bucks a month…. This is literally peanuts. I was seriously worried it was gonna be like 40, but come on man you crying for 9 bucks? Your normal McDonald’s meal is like 17 bucks, and you cry for 9?
> Plus if you dont give us a free skill reset for all our crews with this crew change.... i swear to god....
All this backlash from you and here you are, still thinking about continuing to play. Stop playing then lmao
Hold on, so they are actually going through with wot plus? I thought it was just a thing from Asian server
Edit: Nvm, just read the update post. Wtf Wargaming?
We should start a class action lawsuit against them for selling different premiums and making you go through all this that and the other promises about those tanks then they come out with these new ones that make all the other ones garbage it's just b*******
Its a pile of cash grabbing wankers , who just want your hard earned money , to play a sub par , rubbish game . And they will use any method in doing so. Not a "game" any more.
A PILE OF BULLSHIT
If it is an open and honest pay to win, it is a good thing. The less obvious ones, like having your winrate crash right after your premium account expired, were less good.
>Plus if you dont give us a free skill reset for all our crews with this crew change.... i swear to god.... You could always get the plus subscription to accumulate gold for crew resets so there's no need for such! Another great idea is to bend over and spread the cheecks for them!
oh right, thanks for the tips
It won't be just the tip.
You ever get your shit pushed in? I got my shit pushed in, real good.
You need to clean yourself properly before taking it up the butt :/
This game actually uses every monetization that exist. Whats next? NFT garbo
pay to not play
Spend 1000s on this game since closed beta. Stopped spending money about 2017. Pay the odd.monrhky here and there. Would 100% not buy a pixel tank from a game that feels like a rug pull cash grab is happening this year. Don't spend money and resources on their stupid auctions and gambling boxes for another pixel.premium. Most of us have 20 or 30 of them gathering dust as they're shite now.
Absolutely correct what he said here you get the tank it looks pretty good you pay all the money for it upgrade all kinds of money out pocket go out there and they've already thrown out a new premium that's dirt and everybody and you have no chance against me just go out there and blow people up constantly what a piece of s*** game
What do you think free XP conversion is?
>Whats next? NFT garbo Erm, ekhm, Assembly Shop and the "numbered skins" are kinda the WoT's equivalent of NFTs, erm, ekhm, the only difference is that you can't legally sell these, ekhm, erm.
There's much more differences. In fact, the only thing those have in common is limited quantity.
Though there are mods which show your tank in a numbered skin, and you can pick the number you want. Of course, only you get to see that numbered skin, other players just see whatever paint/skin is really on your tank, but... for some people a skin only they can see is enough. I use one for Type 59s - every one in the game is the gold dragon skin :)
i can guarantee you obj780 was going to be a nft tank and thats why it has numbers, then they saw the backlash nft gave to other companies and they step back, the lion just continued with the numbers because that sells a lot.
I was going to log in tonight for the first time since sunday, but with the news of their overall CT proposal, I think I'll just skip, maybe go on a full hiatus.
Already only play Steel hunter when it’s available. If they just released it as it’s own game I’d never touch WoT again.
Just stop playing. Honestly this game is beyond saving.
Unfortunately this is probably the correct view. Server switch off 2024
naw WG is too big for that sht. They will change it back if they get hit enough. WG can make a great game but money is blocking their vision.
This is it. Finally game dies and I'm released from my earthly WoT bondage after a decade. Lmao.
Yep I agree. They could have reaped in money for years and years more but now it has just become clear they don't care about their customers one tiny bit. It's only about more more more.
You know whats the worse part? They have a discord channel only for CCs so they can give them feedback and shit. All the CCs literally told them that this update was complete garbage, they didn't change a single comma regarding the complains on the test server. Zero.
kinda sucks i just got back into it after a few year break :/ got two new tier 10s and now they bombing the game
Game doesnt die
Yeah if this patch goes live, i'll be done with the game and sell my account or some shit trying to get some money back i've spent over the years. I've seen plenty of people saying they quit if this patch comes and meh i just kept playing, it's my time now. I pay for a yearly premium account each december, now with the second fuking premium system, i feel like being shit on. So yeah it's gonna be the end of wot for me and selling/giving away my account will confirm the end as i have 0 interrest in ever starting over.
There was premium time which covered WoT, WoWs and WoWp. Then the greedy guys made WoT premium and WoWs premium with increased benefits, but they arent covering both games. And now those greedy guys bring up pay to win premium plus. Guess you can go an screw yourself now. Thats too greedy for me.
Fun fact WG Premium is still a thing and they occasionally give it out over on world of warplanes for free. It just adds a small boost to credit earnings.
100%
You think they listened in WoWs? If so then WoWs wouldn't have the carrier rework or subs.
they listened to some extent, they did fix a couple things. They will listen depending on the amount of money they are losing.
They adding so much stuff at the same time to create a shock, and divert attention from this game transitioning to full p2w. Change my mind
i wont try to change your mind, dont worry
Sorry but I ask for facts not fantasy
Could u pls tell me what is pay to win right know in this game?
Well Wot+ is absolutely p2w. Allows you to move bond equipment around for free, block an extra map and get a lot of passive crew XP when not even playing. It is the definition of paying for a major advantage.
You know that it give u an advantage but don’t autowin you…it’s pay to progress for me
The crew is effecting your performance in battle, thus it's pay to win. Same thing with the bond equipment being moved around for free where as it costs 300 to demount it for people not paying. It is giving you an actual advantage IN BATTLE over other players that you wouldn't typically have. WoT+ is a lot different than simply buying a premium tank or having premium time honestly. While the tank might be good and all, you're still on the same playing field against free to play players in battle. Now though you will be able to move equipment around that typically doesn't get moved very often (bonds) on top of gaining XP for your crew without even needing to play the game. That isn't really paying to progress anymore, it's simply giving you an advantage over other non paying players on the actual battle field. It also makes the gap between free to play players much more extreme so they will end up quitting the game over time.
Lol... you are seriously asking and defending this... WoT player base is stupid as hell... This game is the epitome of P2W... I can tell you hundred of things... but let me give you one example... take any tech tree tank... and try it against any premium tank like Vipera, BZ 176 or Skoda T56... and now take any 2-3 years old premium tank... and try it against the new premium tank of the same tier... you will get your answer... not only the premiums are better than the tech tree tanks... they are alos better than any of the old premiums... and this is just one example.. I can give you hundred of examples... WoT is the most monetized game in the gaming industry... ask anyone... or google... fool if you were in front of me... I wud have slapped you hard...
I think fifa is the most monetized game…u know u can get prem tanks for free? And tiger 2 is very good techtree tank…or cearnaveron…u don’t need prem tanks to play the game…and u can win and have good rounds without it. Sure prem tanks are stronger or easier to play…they cost real money..if they were bad no one would buy them. Balancing habe to be taken for sure…like chieftain, bourasque etc. but for me as a good 4% player…the game makes quite fun. Sure i paid 2k und the last 12 years…but 45k battles and the severs still running. Even the company changed to a European one is a very good step for this game
> In wows all the ccs coordinated and gave WG a big fat middle finger. It was chaos, they had to actually start listening to their players. I was there for that. It accomplished nothing other than putting a lot of CCs out of the program of their own volition. WoWs is still chugging on in the same direction they have been.
they did nerf the submarines to shit, they made public the lootbox chances, they changed the shit model they had for new lines where you had to buy lootboxes to get them early. They gave the camo the fkn mause wanted for that trash dd and so on
Nah dog, subs are still brutally OP, next to zero counter play for lots of ships. Hell some ships didn't have any ASW until relatively recently. They keep shoving in more Subs every patch. CVs are still broken OP, plus AA is effectively useless on most ships which just makes the CVs more OP. Now they're adding Hybrid DDs yes I said DDs as in destroyers. WoWs player numbers have been steadily tanking across all servers for months now and WG doesn't seem to give a shit. Bro just look at the Pan-American cruiser like fiasco and tell me if WG gives a fuck what CCs say
And yet theyre still chugging on with all the actual meaingful stuff... that didnt change. Like they handed you token shit and youre happy for it, while laughing at you as the shove more subs (literally just added british ones) into the game and more planes (or did you miss the hybrid US bbs they just added) into the game, and more superships (super petro and super conqueror are on the way) into the game and more gimmick ships into the game (the PanAm cruisers with a free funny button coming soon). Lot of good the CC exodus did, huh? Nah mate its all good, they got a camo for a shitty battleship, publicized shit they were eventually gonna have to publicize anyway and didnt really change early access for ship lines at all. Nor did they really nerf the things that make subs awful to play against. You certainly got them there... lmao.
who pays you to be this cringe? lmao
Who pays you to post incorrect things on the internet? Like my guy you were wrong about the WoWs CC exodus actually changing things. Dont be mad you got called out.
i'm done with you pleb. Go get a clue, or learn how to read. Blocked.
Here's the copium you dropped:
They actually buffed submarines to hell, compared to the beta and prelaunch versions.
Wot CCs can't do nothing and maybe wan't do nothing, they seems to be on the player's side, but at the end of the day they are the salesmen of WOT. I always see a pattern: at every major change in WOT, CC gets mad, all releasing the same angry video, next day they move on and it's all good and they open the 200 boxes wg gives them.
i agree with you. Most CCs are owned by WG, they make a fkn living out of this game.
Just wot plus is p2w? All over the years, the new prem tanks at least since Progetto are p2w But there is still one easy way to play without support: play free to play, it's not that difficult
The amount of people saying premium account and wot+ is not pay2win is quite staggering. I guess those are the people feeding the WG cash cow.
those are the ones who lose by landslides all the time.
this step seems almost necessary cause premium-revenue probably has tanked in the past?! I started this game almost 1 year ago (Feb22). Right away i bought a premium tank with 30 days premium. i am used to any form of subscription for f2p so i didnt bother and it was the same price like in any other MMO. later that year i bought another prem tank with agian 30 days of premium. Except for those 60 days, i spend real money on improved battle passes last year (except the t823 earlier this year) and also bought 40 of the christmas boxes. Where am i standing now? thats right. 18 days premium left. And i am not even the most active player out here. i bet there are players who could manage to be on premium for an entire year without every buying premium. WG throws is it out to frequently with all those events and i feel like it hasnt always been like that. but they can't cut the loot now. I cant know but my guess is that you people actually had to buy premium a few years ago. frequently.
Yah, this was a good game. Fun, strategic, and had some great historical aspects I appreciated. It has become too monetized and soon there will be floating adds during matches to unlock boxes or something like some sketchy mmo. I have put a lot of time and money into this game. Until people actually stop playing nothing will change. No one cares I know, but I will be stepping a way and hopefully others do the same. "Crisis precipitates change". Nothing will happen until people stop playing and wargaming starts losing money. It would be great if a shit ton of us stopped for like 2-3 months and see what happens. I have plenty of other games I will invest in. I don't live for this game as they are trying to make us do. Good luck tankers
can you share which games are you going to try? I will checkout rock'n stones. Seems fun!
Lmao that over reaction Why would it be be pay to win? * Blocking +1 map * Having a rental T8 heavy * Free demounting * Increased crew xp for 1 tank * 500 gold weekly Inside a match, I can not see where I'd be in a disadvantage compared to a WOTP member. TS-54 maybe, but who really cares, when there are like \~150+ T8 premiums already...? Honestly as a long time whale, I couldn't care less about this. Great for new players, not a great deal for veterans/collectors...
Free demounting is a massive buff to the most powerful equipment. Now you can pay to swap 3 purple pieces from tank to tank, bypassing one of their original balancing factors.
You can face bond equipment now too in battle, so this doesn't matter that much...
You can, but full purple was a serious investment. Now it will be a joke because with like 6 pieces, you can kit out every single tank in your garage.
But noone will bother except for gun marking players, otherwise it will simply waste too much time...
You know mods exist, right?
Even with mod it takes at least 5-10 seconds to swap the equipment, seeing how quickly WG servers can react to commands...
There will be no time. They already have mods that auto equip and was proven in the other thread that there will be one for equipment too. So any tank you select it will just auto move the equipment you previously selected over to the new tank as long as the tank the equipment is on isn't currently in a battle. So it will take literally 1 second to click one button to have all your bond equipment on the next tank you want to play each time.
Don't care, this is not pay to win, no matter how much you say the opposite
It's pay to win by definition and any player from any other competitive game would confirm it for you if you want. Having an advantage in battle that you wouldn't typically have due to a credit card is pay to win. Free to play players will only have a handful of bond equipment that stays on the tank it's on permanently while the wallet warriors will have three pieces of bond equipment on basically every tank they play if they choose. Plus being able to gain 4.4 million crew XP a year without even playing the game at all is a massive advantage over other players. Currently if you want to use gold to get XP for your crew you still have to play the game to earn XP to then exchange for free XP in which you pump it into your crew. Now you don't even have to do that, just drop a crew into a tank, hit the XP button from WoT+ and enjoy your crew getting maxed out without playing. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, it won't change facts.
>You can bury your head in the sand all you want, it won't change facts. It's ironic, coming from you. You act like "win" and "advantage" were the same terms on purpose. In case you haven't realized, WoT+ provides ADVANTAGE, not WINS/VICTORIES. No WoT+ member will become 4k WN8 unicum just because of this subscription ffs. Literally everything you mentioned CAN be earned and done as a F2P, simply you have to provide something in return (credits/bonds). It would be P2W if F2P could not do the same things as WoT+ members. To my current knowledge, F2P can farm bonds, so they can in fact remove bond equipment. They can farm credits, so they can purchase crew books any time to improve crew skill levels... Does WoT+ provide advantage over F2P? Of course. Does WoT+ make players win more often due to the subscription? No. Simple as that. I get it, you don't like it, you whine about it and go all emotional over it, but at the end of the day, a F2P account with some effort put into it, can do the same thing, so it is not P2W. If it had a T8 premium that dominates meta even in the hands of a trash player, then it would be P2W, but to my knowledge even TS-54 is a garbage, so not P2W in that regard either...
most people dont actually understand what pay to win means
Yeah, like I agree that the whole wot+ thing is kinda… questionable but i can't quite see why it would be considered pay to win
I'm done. I'm literally done with this game. They don't care. We will also don't care. Played since 2014. Being a veteran for 9 years. I'm glad this is coming to an end. I'm calling a quit from this point on. Screw this, and fuck this game. They are literally eating chalks. By the time they realized that they were losing, it will be already too late. I'm glad this game is dying thanks to over-greedy and incompetent developers.
amen brother.
How this is the final straw?
I wonder too, like WG seems to ruin the game with the crew system rework, yet WoT+ is the final straw for some people. Lmao, I knew the community is stupid af from xvm, but then seeing these literal clowns on reddit... I'm just speechless...
I mean yeah WG is milking the players as much as they can (as usual) but how is that pay to win? I'm not gonna win more because I can ban extra maps or change equipment. (Asking seriously, i havent played wot for a while and im not up to date)
I believe being able to pay to have unlimited equipment demounting which includes improved / bond equipment is pay-to-win. Demounting bond equipment traditionally cost 200 bonds in an effort to prevent players from frequently moving bond equipment.
bond equipment makes such a big difference man. Its 100% pay to win having the ability to play literally all your tanks with bond equipment if you pay the fucking new subscription
actually it reduces "p2w". or specifically gear grind distance between older and newer players. 1) old time players have bond equip on their favorite tanks. clan players have thousands of bonds unused. 2) they have enough bonds to move equip at least for 3-marking and stuff 3) new players (or players who don't play t10 much) don't have as many and definitely have no free bonds to move equip too much 4) free move of bond equip reduces gap between older players and new ones and the difference between bond and bounty equip is typically 1-2% that is not worth 200x3 move price unless you are trying to 3 mark or it's your favorite tank you love to play.
That 2% you mentioned makes a big ass difference on a lot of tanks. 2% over hundreds of battles and thousands of shots adds up it's overall value. Plus like the other comment stated, you are only mentioned paying players that are getting WoT+. For free to play players this widens the gap even more and there is going to be a huge exodus within the first few months this update releases. On top of free players not being able to actually retrain all their crews with a ton of new skills being added to the game. We can also point to the fact gaving passive crew XP as being a huge pay to win factor too. Previously if you wanted to just buy crew XP you still needed to play the game to get free XP or use gold to use your excess XP to change to free XP. Either way, you had to actually be playing to earn the XP in the game. Now you don't. You can just drop a crew in a tank, click the passive XP button, come back a week later and have your first skill already done. It will dish out 4.4 million crew XP over the course of a year when not even playing....
actually yes, this is the only positive aspect of this goddarned update... for pay2play pay2win new/ish players. For free2play new/ish players this makes the game 1000 times worse
Does it mean with this new subscription ypu get bond equipment for free?
no, it means you can move one set of bond equipment for free to any tank you want to play.
Since you can move your bond equipment for free, it means you only need one of each. It's the same for basic equipment by the way. With 200 tanks in my garage, I have spent some hundred million credits only buying equipment. The amount of credit grind this subscription can save you is huge and this will have massive implication on the economy of the game.
> bond equipment makes such a big difference man it really really doesnt.
lmao
I know you may need them to perform well, but I assure you many players do not.
ok, thanks
The average player is going to be just as shit with bond equipment as they will be with no equipment at all.
It’s not the end all be all. But doing something x% better then the next guy absolutely makes a difference or it wouldn’t be in the game or worth the time to grind and get. For bond hardening it’s an extra 50hp on a chief. May not make a difference all the time but the time it keeps you in a fight is gonna be huge.
So hear me out. Because people who pay for wot+ can use bond equipment which btw is 1% better than bounty equipment. That way theyr dpg will go up like 2000 more and they will win 70% games. So pay to win. Cant believe it
are you fucking serious dude?????? This game is literal most p2w game in the history of gaming.
Well, Imma be honest, I love the game, I grew up with it, I thought I had seen everything, but now, hell nah.. Im just sad, because they are killing it without even a single sight of remorse.. They don't give a single shit about players opinion, they just don't fucking care, it is just about money. I wish someone in this fking company will take over it, change everything for better, but it is just dreams
To be fair, the game has been pay to win since release.
Wot plus is less p2w than all the p2w premiums.
Can someone pls explain where this is "pay to win". Sry but this doesnt make sense to me, its not like you are getting better in this game. Yeah the grind is shorter, but that is a downside for me. I play this game since 2013 and the grind is what i love about this game. I see that WG is grabbing our Cash again, but pay to win? nah. Its not like you are losing something if you dont get WG Plus. For me the BZ176 is much more game breaking than this. Sry for my broken english
free bond equipment transfer. Free T95/FV4201 at tier 8 premium tank. Free crew experience even when you dont play the game. But mainly the free bond equipment demount, thats the biggest pay2win shit this game has ever seen
Free chief at Tier 8? What are you smoking?
Gotta make up shit to make your arguments more believable. Seriously, it has two ears that basically every t8 in the game can pen, a drivers hatch, a turret ring, and in some cases a mantlet area you can shoot. Its also slower, only has 8 degs of gun dep, cant permatrack, doesnt have the laser cannon that the chieftain has, doesnt have that great pen.
Yes, since if you are a shit player, having bond equipment on your tank will make you win more games. Man, you have no fucking idea what are you talking about. A shit player will be shit no matter what tank/equipment he has. As for the good players, can they still perform with bond equipment or not.
>A shit player will be shit no matter what tank/equipment he has That's me!! :) And I've got bond and experimental equipment on some of my favourite tanks, doesn't help me much at all, I still suck. ...maybe I should try playing when sober? Naaahhhh.....
As long as you are having fun, that's all I care for
Honestly this argument of yours is extremely stupid. Just because the player you're against didn't take full advantage of it doesn't mean he didn't have the advantage to begin with solely due to his wallet. Being able to move around all your bond equipment gives an insane advantage on a lot of tanks, even for shit tier players. That extra second on a reload can make a difference when spread out over hundreds to thousands of battles. Same with the dispersion and so on. WoT+ is giving advantages over players not buying it both in ease of grind (since they never have to buy equipment ever again) but also IN BATTLE advantages with the bond equipment and crews being inflated by passive gains. The passive crew XP is also paying to win. You can gain over 4 million crew XP without even playing the game each year with WoT+ for fucks sake. At least currently if you wanted to use free XP to pump up a crew you still have to play the game to get the XP to then exchange to free XP with gold. That's out the window.
Idk that sounds good to me, but not "Pay to win". Which not CC player tranfers their equipment so often? The 1,5% Increase in whatever will not make you and your Tank "OP" or "Pay to Win" And i have to say that the TS-54 is not comparable to the cheftain. Its not like some system like this existed before WOT plus...... Twitch prime (King Tiger) and see the positve side, they can nerf it because no one bought it and just got it through a subscription.
Why is it pay2win lol? Cause u cant use that tank? Mate nothing new comes with this plus thing its just a different premium account
Bond equipment on any tank you ever want to play is enough to make this absurdly overpowered
Yea sure, bond eq itself isnt game changing either if u know how to play..
It is, the differemce between normal and bond eq is huge, are you dense?
Ik its huge but its not like you cant adapt to that
There's no "adapting" to enemies having straight up better everything because they for a bullshit subacription, this is blatantly pay to win
Mate honeslty how many of ur tanks have bond equipment? Probably 2-3 at best, yet u still can grind ur daily tanks and premiums without struggle because u adapt, we must adapt to the situation ingame and having 2-3% better tank on some aspects is not game breaking (for me)
I can because.. most people don't have bond eq on all their tanks, but now they will, if they pay. And bond eq makes a huge difference.
I am glad I got out a few years ago. The ruined game balance was a nail to the coffin forme. But seeing as they have not fixed that, reworked the crew skill tree without giving a free reset and only some crew books to "compensate" this change alongside now with this monstrosity, then I am glad I am not playing this crap anymore. This is not the game I once loved to play and that one hurts deep down.
man i love this game, despite the wargaming garbage, its my hobby. I am on the verge of quitting. It sucks, but this shit is too much. Not sure what to do yet. Fuck.
>Not sure what to do yet Why not play the common test and see what it's actually like and give feedback to the designers?
i dont need to play shit to know unlimited free bond unequip is a huge advantage that you cannot pass.
Fair enough, glfh!
i was excited for crew 2.0 until i realized there are no free reset like what's the fucking point
What makes you think that players won't get free crew resets? The 12 free retraining orders are for the Common Test, as I understand it. Where you're not expected to change every single tank you own (I have 286 in the garage...) We simply do not know how the update, when released to everyone, will work, it very well could be free retraining for every crew member - I certainly expect it to be so. Though, admittedly, I'm prepared to be disappointed... :(
Sad part is they will literally have people lined up out the door to pay for it.
How dare they, free to play games!
do you even know the difference between pay to play and pay to win einstein?
neither you do, even with how bullshit this game monetization is, it is not pay to win, it is just pay to progress or pay to convenience
Neat, servers run on unicorn darts. Welp Glhf. Edit: farts but darts sounds better.
Aww baby need a bottle.. No one is telling you to play.
What are you on about? You'll quite literally have Premium account and WoT plus for 10 euros (less than the price of 30 days of Premium time - 2500g) If you are a F2P player this changes absolutely nothing for you, if you pay for a monthly premium account this is an absolute win, why are so many of you complaining, feel like I'm the only one seeing this as a win? Like despite WG's overall greed with other stuff, for me personally this is an absolute win.
you need to pay for both things separately premium and plus if you want to have the both
Yes, true, and its still cheaper, what part is tripping you up?
Does not include premium account. WoT plus needs to be paid for ON TOP of premium.
I know it does, but the Plus Sub is 8 euros for which you get 2000g spread over 4 weeks, on top you just purchase 2 euros worth of gold and gain 30 days of premium time + premium tank only available for sub + free demounting + crew XP, all of that for 10 euros (as a comparison buying 2500g for 30 days of premium time is 11 euros)
The idea is that it's fucking over the people who already have normal premium time. I.e people who for example opened loot boxes for premium days or already have bought year+ of premium and activated it, they already paid for this and won't get the benefit. You also can't get the premium+ from gold by tournaments or from battlepass like normal premium, the only way to get it is by paying pure cash. Hence it's purely pay to win, the only way to get it is to pay. Normal premium CAN be gained by paying, or by playing, which isn't exactly as close as pure p2w.
>2000g spread over 4 weeks That's *earn UP TO 500 gold* per week, it's not an automatic "here's 500 gold". Huh, in Asia server (and others?) they've just permanently LOWERED the cost of premium time, by 8-14%!!
I wouldn't call it P2W as all those are rather "skip the grind" kind of things, but I will agree that it is just big middle finger aimed at playerbase. Free demounting is a huge resource saver especially if you combine it with mods (before equipment 2.0, thanks to mods you could move cammo nets, repair box and binos without doing anything. You could use 2 cammo nets for hundereds of tanks). And feels just bad, especially if you think about amount of bonds needed to dismount 1 pcs of equipment it kinda hurts. Does it give advantage? yes and no, depends on how you look at it. Free crew xp and gold vault is a next "skip the grind" thing it helps but you can live without it. TS-54 as a rental, well generally it is just a premium tank but as a collector it feels kinda bad that this tank is locked behind subscription without the option to obtain the tank alone. Outside of free equipment demounting it is ok-ish, but I have one question to ask: JUST WHY?
Ofc it gives advantage lol. You can basically sell all your eq because you won't need it - if I have 80 tanks I usually have 4 of 5 equipped with bond eq, absolutely peaked. I won't move it around because it would be too costful, and now all of a sudden I basically have free bond eq for all my tanks, because I will just move it with 0 thought given. And instead of 5 absolutely maxed out tanks, I have 80 of them. Without any penalty whatsoever. This is a huuuge fk you new player move and a huuuge pay or you are fooked move.
That's why I said it depends on how you look at it. The difference is you don't need to farm resources for demounting insted you are using real money. Soo, demounting equipment isn't paywalled with real money or something, it is still possible one the same rules as before, that's why I wouldn't classify it as P2W. In the end your enemy can use only one tank, and you still don't know if he uses any equipemt at all. On the other hand ppl with huge amount of tanks with free equipment demounting could use better equipment depending on map in comp modes. But then, in those modes you use 3-4 tanks anyway. It just feels bad, not exactly P2W in my opinion. >This is a huuuge fk you new player move and a huuuge pay or you are fooked move. I mentioned that, and it is more a middle finger aimed at whole playerbase as who asked for this? And WHY? But thinking that "I can't live without it, players with WoT plus will ruin my experience" is imo wrong. Impact will be much less noticable than you think. But that doesn't change a fact that this is scum move and it should backfire at WG.
Bro, if you were to use one set of equipment on 80 tanks and swap it each game, it would take more bonds in a week (I play around 400 games weekly on various tanks) than bidding for a Chieftain. It is a huge p2w implementation. But I do get your point, it is technically possible it just depends on the scale and tanks played
>Bro, if you were to use one set of equipment on 80 tanks and swap it each game, it would take more bonds in a week (I play around 400 games weekly on various tanks) than bidding for a Chieftain. I fully understand that, and that's a thing wich feels bad, but in the end we aren't playing in World of Swapping Equipment, we are playing World of Tanks. My enemy will use only 3 modules at a time and I don't care if he spent 15K bonds for full setup, or spent 8€ to do the same just to swich them from other tank, or don't use equipment at all. And on top of that I don't even know what setup is he using. I don't like the change, I don't even know why someone created something like that (I mean, for money bruh). But for me it is one of the yet another "questionable" changes: - isn't exactly P2W, but depending on scale feels better or worse - feels scummy and bad vs non paying players - noone asked for something like that And the worst part is that, that probably nothing will change and we will get this "change" anyway. There were no additional info before, it just dropped on CT, I rly hope that it will at least get changed a bit as removal isn't an option probably. They rly can f*** up everything.
p2w loser spotted
Reading is hard, right?
1) WoT isn't "making" anyone do anything or "milking them". You make the decision. 2) It's a game. I never seen so many whiny babies cry about their pixel tanks and stomp their little feet in indignation. Go play something else. It's a free country. 3) Where I spend my money is my fucking business. If I want to get all the goodies specifically to kick in pixel tank baby dick, goddam 'murica I will! 4) Stoopid capitalism and companies making money. Screw them and all there effort to make a game and profit. My god those sick mother fuckers. 5) Babies want a purely socialist game where everything is super even-steven. Oh wait, there is that skill thing.... maybe as a WGR goes up, we increase RNG to miss shots and bounce more so we can try and get rid of that mean old skill factor.
Is there a way to ask them to raise the price?
This might be the most American comment I've ever read.
This guy licks the boot
You spoke to my wife???????
Pay to win where?
The only thing that stood out to me from it as P2W and not just over the top money grubbing was the offline crew training. But there are a ton of negatives and few tiny positives in this CT. WG has already been killing my motivation to play for the last couple patches and even more money grubbing than they ever used to do, but I may just go on hiatus for awhile. Been having fun in some other games lately anyways.
for me the free bond equipment demount is the biggest pay2win garbage tbh. With that shit in the game i just got to have it. its insane the money grab, completely out of control. free bond equipment demount, free crew exp, the fucking OP tank, the extra map exclusion, the fucking crew change without giving us a free reset for all crews?!?!?!? these clowns are crazy with the moneygrab
This. The bond removal couldn't BE more pay to win.
I can see the equip demount creeping from pay for convenience to pay to win, but it's not as direct as offline crew training. Basically you are paying to save 200 bonds, which will eventually add up to getting another bond equip, so that is the extra in battle advantage i guess. End of the day, I think most can agree that WOT plus is a ridiculous money grab, to be stacking a 2nd subscription on top of the premium time (which is essentially a subscription already).
bro you are literally paying to play every single tank at their absolute PEAK. People dont realize how powerful that paid perk is. I dont know why.
people already do that, but have to pay bonds for it. you are saving bonds, which is certainly powerful, but less direct than the crew training
ofline crew train is nothing compared to the free bond equip demount
agreed, offline crew training is not an issue at all. Imagine when someone make mod that remember your setups on every tank and you can just one click to move bond eq from tank to tank for free. Thats 100% p2w
You have bond equip on tank today. You move it to another tank (for bonds) You have bond equp on a tank tomorrow. You give WG your money and move it to another tank for free. Either way, you still have bond equip on your tank in battle. Saving bonds is absoutely super strong, as it gets you MORE bond equip faster than if you're spending bonds moving it around all the time, but it's not really changing anything in battle for you compared to today. However, depending on how fast the crews train offline, you are directly paying money to have a better crew tomorrow without even playing the game. Granted, the same effect can also be achieved by crew books, but I would also consider crew books to be directly p2w. Because you are getting an advantage from having a better crew in battle potentially without playing at all (buying credits to get crew books is a stupid move, but I'm sure some people do it). Guarantee there's gonna be some whales out there subbing wot plus and dropping cash on crew books to be the first to new max skills crews.
You don't get it, do you? An average player plays around 30-40 games daily. If you have, idk, 70 tanks, usually people equip them all, usually in standard eq because it would be ridiculously expensive to equip them all in bond eq, especially if you wanna be competitive, get tanks like Chief, 907 etc. However, bond eq allows you to get the max of your tanks. But you cannot really move it around that much because it costs bond - and playing 1 game, then movig to another tank for 1 game,and over and over again would be just impossible for the reasons above, if you play 40 games all in different tanks - no one wastes the most valuable resource in the game for this. Now, if you have wot plus you can basically take all your 70 tanks and sell absolutely fking everything, because you won't need it. All you need is 2 sets of bond eq or 1 per each tank class if yout want, so as not to wait for the tank if you only have one) and you are golden, just move it around for absolutely 0 penalty whatsoever. What this means is that instead of having 4-5 absolutely maxed out tanks with bond eq, you can have 70 absolutely maxed out tanks with bond eq without having to hoard an absurd amount of bonds to set them all up or move it around. This is the biggest p2w move they have ever introduced
I think your definition of an average player might not be quite accurate, but I think your point is valid overall, and it is more p2w than I was giving it credit for, even though I was honestly agreeing 99% with what you guys were saying anyways.
thats not how it works genius, you dont have an unlimited amount of bonds. specially since you always want to buy more to be able to maximize your favorite tanks. With this shit all that goes away
Stop cry kid
yeah the offline crew training is probably close to p2w but we can already use credit to buy crew books and free exp to increase training.
I mean, just because you can already pay to win with crew books, being able to pay to win with offline crew training doesn't become NOT pay to win.
i guess youre too narrowminded to realize how powerful it is the free bond equipment demount huh?
You believe someone is gonna be noticeably better because of bond equip??
tell me you are a noob without telling me you are a noob,
yeah probably a noob. I only have 55% wr and 2500 wn8 and I don't run bond equip. Probably I should start trying that.
you really should genius, you really should
Jeez, imagine trying to pull out the "calling others a noob" card when you're a self described "all green wn8" shitter.
yes
Then youre probably not too bright... Bond Equip isnt that worth that much.
you blind?!??! literally everywhere wot plus einstein
Don't bother arguing with the whales, only an absolute gimp would currently spend bonds regularly to demount bond eq. This plus makes it 1000% pay to win. Every session u demount from every tank and remount People will literally pay the 8e a month purely for that. Anyone that doesn't think that's pay to win is obv loot box enjoyer
i mean if they impement this shit i have to either pay or just quit the game entirely. I am not going to play this game if everyone and their mothers play their tanks with bond equipment but me. Fuck that.
Premium account was always pay to win... but at least you had ways to get it for free and it didn't seriously effects your vehicles. But this... this is bad. Like, no way to get it free, gives exp to your crews for free, free demounts INCLUDING BOND EQUIPMENT and a free t8 prem. What the fuck wargaming
Premium account just save your time, plus comfort to play - one extra shitty map can be excluded. No P2W at all. Subscription - free demounting it’s a huge advantage, every battle with bond equipments
It's another subscription ontop of another. It just does not feel right
can you imagine what would happen in world of warcraft if they charged another subscription on top of the one they already have???? and yet we are swallowing the whole thing here. Its really nuts how soft this playerbase is.
Luckily it's only at supertest....for now...
This is common test.... 99% of things in the CT make it to the live server
would it be more palatable if they cut the cost of premium? like, 25-50% of what it is? just curious
I don't buy premium anyway. I get it from free events, Xmas boxes and battlepass
k, me too, but the question stands (to anyone)
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"Missing" money lol...
In Asia it's been cut by 8-14%, presumably this is the case for all servers, or will be?
There is to many apes that are willing to spend money on this game and stuff like WOT PLUS for us to be able to change anything and get wargaming to listen. I used to spend money but around the time the skorp g came out I stopped because that's when things started getting bad. Honestly tho this update could make or break the game Imo. If done right the crew rework and the random events can be good, I really like the idea of random events, but knowing wg they will Fack it up somehow, but I hope not.
It’s only 9 bucks a month…. This is literally peanuts. I was seriously worried it was gonna be like 40, but come on man you crying for 9 bucks? Your normal McDonald’s meal is like 17 bucks, and you cry for 9?
Elon Musk approves
EA/Acti-blizzard monetization upgrade by WG. not worth any amount of money for this pile of crap.
> Plus if you dont give us a free skill reset for all our crews with this crew change.... i swear to god.... All this backlash from you and here you are, still thinking about continuing to play. Stop playing then lmao
Theyre killing their game so hard jesus. Quit playing after global map and wanted to return next week but guess it's time to wave this game goodbye
Byee
Hold on, so they are actually going through with wot plus? I thought it was just a thing from Asian server Edit: Nvm, just read the update post. Wtf Wargaming?
When can I pay for wot plus so I can be top tier all the time
I almost spend so money on the game yesterday, thank god I bit my tongue.
Imagine spending money on world of tanks
We should start a class action lawsuit against them for selling different premiums and making you go through all this that and the other promises about those tanks then they come out with these new ones that make all the other ones garbage it's just b*******
Its a pile of cash grabbing wankers , who just want your hard earned money , to play a sub par , rubbish game . And they will use any method in doing so. Not a "game" any more. A PILE OF BULLSHIT
If it is an open and honest pay to win, it is a good thing. The less obvious ones, like having your winrate crash right after your premium account expired, were less good.