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Wait you guys get a cubicle?
I only get an open desk space that I have to struggle over with other employees every morning.
I was wondering how unionization would help those who prefer some isolation/privacy to focus.
I’ve had to cube farm, but the job required a lot of leaving the cube, too.
In my last job there was a mix of both, as well as a lot of offices of varying size. My current role is 100% wfh.
Have you looked for a WFH job? It may be the right setup for you.
The only work from home jobs that I can find are call center, which is soul sucking
If it's any consolation... and it might not be tbh, but...
I started off in a call center, with nothing but an HSD, coming off of nothing but 3 years of military experience to my name.
Im notw a corporate recruiter making $65k and have been working from home for the last 4 years.
I'm not saying my path is superior or perfect, and recruiting actually has some really REALLY sucky moments, but you can build a resume off of soul sucking jobs.
Same here, I took a job at a call center with nothing but restaurant experience, make 50% more than when I started 4 years later, but not in a recruiting position.
Call centers are recruiting grounds for other departments in the company, just depends on the path you set yourself up for.
Tech support call centers are nowhere near as soul sucking as say a credit card or insurance company (still not the greatest for sure though), but if you get a foot in the door you really can move up and out of the call center quick.
Tech support in the SaaS industry is a pretty good place to start a career, you won’t be in the call center long.
Try staffing agencies. Many of them are 100% work from home.
Ya sorry, I'm a computer programmer so it's easy for me to forget how rare that is in most industries :(
Holy cow i just noticed your username, great snag hahaha
it seems like programmers in particular forget a lot about how other people live and exist. i wonder why that disconnect is so severe
Because it can be a very insular job. It’s very possible for a prgrammer’s workday to consist of talking to no one else, or at most, other programmers
Yea, it's an extremely invisible job.
Every company I've worked for that has some kind of "employee recognition program", programmers NEVER get nominated.
Any company outting, "Oh are you new?" "No I've been here for years"
Zero business reason to interact with nearly anyone but our direct peers or superiors lol
I do infrastructure administration/sysop/branching into DevOps, and i can quickly see how it becomes super abstract and disconnected from the people you're ostensibly serving. Keeping the human element is important though!
> Keeping the human element is important though!
It is, but it's not always easy.
Depends on if the software you're developing is for internal or external use. I did medical record software for a while, if I was ever speaking to someone from one of the hospitals that pays us then something has gone very wrong lol.
Internally, yea we do interact with the business side of things for demos & feedback but it's almost never the same people twice in my experience.
Well we have people that talk to the Customers so the Programmers don't have to. [We don't have People skills God. We aren't good at talking to People](https://youtu.be/hNuu9CpdjIo).
In my experience it's because of the bubble we live in.
Don't really interact with the rest of the company outside of company events, and those are few and far between as is.
Most of the social circles i run in are very similar. Like, i honestly forgot my company had an office and was trying to figure out why people were complaining about something in near unison.
When we started to do work from home at my job they said we get to work from home 2 days a week.
the developers got 4 days a week.. because they live far away... even though one of them lives where i live..
Then covid hit and we went to 5 days a week, now that the restrictions are lifting they said we need to start coming back to the office at least 2 days a week.
the developers show up 1 day a month now if were lucky.
Also when i asked for a raise i was told i was underpaid and my boss agreed that i deserved a raise and that was the end of that discussion.
Then i was told about how hard it is to get raises and how he had to fight with hr to get the new dev position posted at a higher pay rate to attract better talent.
So yeah... i wonder why developers/programmers in particular forget about how other people live.
I mean shit, its not like I do anything important, only the system administrator that makes sure those developers are able to work...
The only way to get the recognition you deserve is to leave. As you already repeated - the budget to Hire is always higher than the budget to retain.
>The only way to get the recognition you deserve is to leave.
Yep and my boss advised me of the same. Even stated that people that have left only to come back are rehired at a higher pay.
Just waiting to find something better that doesnt start me back too far at the bottom again.
They like saying their jobs so you notice them more often as well
Holy shit, it's mr./miss JS himself/herself!
Are callbacks a gender? Haha. Either way, my bad. I'm not a native speaker and wasn't sure how to word this and still get my initial impression across!
This reminds me of labeling animal products free range as long as they have “access” to the outside. It’s just no one tells you how long or how much they get to utilize it. I’m a free range employee! That said my cube is pretty big and has a beautiful window view so I’m super lucky.
Yeah, you were wondering correctly, I do full time union work and there is relatively little we can do about cubicles, honestly. We have a very good work contract where I work, envy of the industry for decades, but we have nothing in the contract that could possibly prevent our call centres from using those.
We did manage two significant wins; getting quasi full time teleworking as a documented option part of the contract since 2010ish, and prevented the company from making the cubes even smaller through a really overzealous interpretation of health & safety rules. But that's it; of course they're still entitled to try to maximize floor space. Hasn't been much an issue since the telework rules were put in, though.
I got my first cubicle job and they actually pay me well while expect me to do less work than any other job I've had. The boomers who complained about cubicle office jobs for decades let all other jobs get so bad the cubicle ones seem like a dream. More than a living wage? Actual benefits? Paid time off? My last job was for $16/hr and I worked in a cluster of desks with other people within sight of the front door with no barrier or privacy, super high stress, constantly answering pointless phone calls. Now I can listen to podcasts and audiobooks with an earbud in while actually getting work done without constant interruptions.
I have older people around me stressed about easy deadlines and I don't get them.
The cubicles are fine, it's nice having your own space. It's the last thing you should worry about with a job.
Just because there are shittier jobs doesn't mean a cubicle job is ok. If you are commuting to work in a cubicle every morning and your job isn't customer facing then there is no reason you can't work from home.
The cubicle is not the issue, it is what you do that makes the difference.
As a programmer I liked my cubicle when we still worked from the office. I could zone people out and concentrate on my issues. The other type of arrangement would be to have an open plan office with no privacy at all, now that seems like hell to me.
It seems weird but I like the cubicle, I get up, it gets me out. My home space isn't my work space, I don't play video games where I work and that's a good feeling. It gets my head in the zone so to speak. Wfh is great if there's a lot of meetings on teams but for actual work I'd rather be in the office.
I don't like working at home and I don't like working in an office or cubicle because I don't like feeling obligated to be in a specific location. I go where I want.
I like WFH because even though 'home' is in the name, guess what? I don't *have* to be at my house to work. I can go wherever I want as long as I get the work done. Having so much freedom feels nice.
Clocking in makes me feel like a slave. I can never go back to 9 - 5 after working freelance.
To each their own. There is nothing wrong with working in an office, but people should have options. There is a difference from you can come into the office and you *have* to come into the office.
Today’s low-wall cubicles in clusters are approaching ope plan layouts anyway (except where plans with hard, structural walls).
I like not being at home to focus. But I have small kids…
I don't how a cubicle helps zone others out, sure you are no longer visible to people, but when I'm coding the biggest distraction is people talking loud enough for me to hear in the background and a cubicle does not help with that at all
Generally, yes. But there are other situations that aren’t consumer facing…. If you’re processing huge amounts of data on a $20k workstation, you might need to come in as even with gigabit speeds that might be slow. If you’re dealing with sensitive data, there might be security issues. Some people do work in a lab but then walk over to their cube to write up the data. Those are some things I’ve seen but obviously I can’t imagine everyone’s work environment.
True, I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply everyone can work from home. There are plenty of people being forced back into the office that can do 100% of their job remotely or even a hybrid. The reason for coming into the office shouldn't be that your boss doesn't trust you to get your work done or that the office space is empty.
Many office cubicle jobs that are solely at a cubicle can be done remotely and more effectively without commute/distractions and more family/personal time.
That's what remote desktop is for. You can remote into a virtual machine hosted on the servers in the office. All of the data transfer happens over the office network and all the work is done on the office machines and it just essentially send you a video of it.
I do that a bit but there are limits when when working with color accurate files that are a few GB (5gigapixel images of paintings) or worse TB (photogrammetry)in size. Also a lot of Remote Desktop goes to shit when you need to hold down half of the keyboard to have several modifiers. It works for a lot of stuff, but especially when your project is running on an OS that IT reluctantly supports but is still militant on data security…. There are a lot of headaches.
The processing is still happening on that 20k machine in the office, you're just sending it commands from home. The whole concept of cloud infrastructure is that none of the machines are on site and there are entire organizations that are run in the cloud.
Correct. But that's not what the weird comic is talking about. I work a hybrid because some people abused work from home and my boss doesn't trust it. But the office complex is so empty because many other teams and departments are still working mostly from home and figuring things out.
The cubicle space is so far down on the list of problems with work culture these days that to complain about it is like complaining that the break room doesn't have a coffee maker.
Cubicle space isn't why work from home is better. It's not even worth mentioning.
People aren't unionizing over things like that. They're unionizing because of poor treatment, poor pay, bad hours, pointless restrictions meant to control, pointless redundant traditions that only hold us back and stifle the workforce to make it easier to cut costs and boost the profits of the top percent.
But my office desk has less space than a goat needs for grazing and that's where I draw the line? People aren't allowed to sit down at jobs and that's what I'm worried about? That's privilege.
I’m a commercial plumber, and I couldn’t agree more. To be clear, I want the absolute best of working conditions for all my working brothers and sisters.
But, when I’m spending 60 hours a week often crawling around in literal human feces and I hear people complaining about a cubicle, it really makes me think about how different some of our experiences are.
Same my friend. I've worked foundry and received several nasty aluminum burns. Felt the side of a bandsaw with my glove a few times. I'm sorry the bossman was mean to you but my shoulder doesn't fully extend anymore. It's real hard to have sympathy.
Yes but what about if you don't earn enough to purchase that furniture or have the space to make it comfortable?
And it's something people NEVER talk about, what if you just lack the personal accountability to stay motivated at home.
I'm not advocating for people to go in the office at all, I'm advocating for the choice.
I got a kid bored out of his mind off for Summer vacation, and 2 puppies that need constant attention.
With my wife also WFH, I wouldn't mind being able to go in the office, ESPECIALLY when I was training and my manager (who has a short staffed team) was never available for help virtually.
The choice is fine as long as it is actually a choice, and not a "Sure, you could work remotely, but we will use that to claim you are not a team player."
I enjoyed working from the office because it meant that I could actually leave my work AT work.
When I was WFH, it was really hard to tear myself away from working for an additional 3-4 hours because I was told to take ample breaks to break up the work day.
ANOTHER HUGE POINT
When does it really end? For your managers it probably doesn't.
My manager works a ridiculous amount of hours (WFH). I feel bad for her
I'd imagine she's feeling similar pressure.
IDK about y'all... but if feels like everyone is short staffed OR willing to use the common excuse to mitigate functioning normally.
As a result, you probably have been asked to do more or higher quantity then what was initially asked.
The shitty part about it, and when it becomes detrimental is when you are successful at working that additional task. Cause then it becomes the norm. Mix that with your work station being accessible 24/7... and you have a concoction for burn out.
Yep. I was head of IT and head of Safety both for awhile making $15 an hour (YEAH, I know.) And so I walked into the VPs office with a list of my responsibilities, what they paid in the bottom 10% of the salary range locally, and offered to take 15% of THAT sum which was about 65,000/yr.
Shit was hard, y'know? I wanted to be paid even JUST the level of one of my responsibilities. Burnout doesn't even begin to cover it.
He said I should be grateful that I had a job while I had cancer earlier that year, so I took his pen, crossed off everything that was worth more than $15 an hour and said that these are my new responsibilities, and to find someone to do the rest of it. And best of luck finding someone to write code in Pick/BASIC hahahaha
Had head of HR come to me about a safety issue and told him that if employees want to run each other over with the forklift then that's their business, and he needs to find another safety guy if he wants better advice. (I was nice about it, didn't say it exactly like that) and proceeded to chill, set sales commissions and correct pricing on ALL of the incoming orders, which is more than I was paid to do even then.
They came back a few days later and offered me a grand total of $18/hr for my trouble, I told 'em to triple it, and when that obviously wasn't gonna happen I told them that this is my two weeks and I accepted another job, which was true.
Some people think they can get away with anything. That was two years ago, they actually managed to fill my position for two weeks when that guy quit too and they haven't managed to replace him to this day.
It ends at 5pm, pretty simple.
I walk out of my home office and don't really go back until the next day.
Unfortunately, as easy as that sounds...
that mentality requires discipline, a punch of appropriate apathy, and confidence in your standing with your employer.
Not everyone has these things.
My home office is my dining room. I like working hybrid and coming to the office and sitting in my cubicle. My workspace here in the office is much nicer than my set up at home. I have a desk in a corner of the dining room.
Fellow dad, totally feel you on summer vacation. We have our oldest in a summer camp that meets at her elementary school and goes on field trips 2 days a week. It's basically daycare for older kids who can go to local attractions. Worth every penny
We just moved to this neighborhood in October, so we are still getting a barring a bit, we are looking for a soccer league even if it's a late entry.
This kid don't want to do jack shit but iPad and TV.
I get people not wanting to waste 8 hours a day of their life away at work, no matter what the work is, but people who specifically complain about cubicle jobs don't get just how much worse it could be.
A small block of your own private space to work in a climate controlled environment with a chair is better than what most people have.
The generational difference is weird. In the 80s they thought cubicles were awful because by the standards of the time they were, but then they proceeded to let everything get so bad that to my generation cubicles sound great.
I don't agree. In the 80s plenty of people had to work on their feet, outside, in open office spaces with very little privacy, or in a small shared area or customer facing area. A cubical is the next best thing to having your own office.
Yes but in pop culture it was constantly criticized as a soul sucking lifeless existence. What I'm saying is they were upset at purgatory and now after some time in actual hell our standards have chsnged.
That's just because cubicles are visually striking which is why it works so well in TV and movies.
An open plan office doesn't look as bad on film but anyone who has worked in an open office will tell you that they would prefer a cubicle.
I also think that to the people that made the media it was soul sucking, compared to some people that just want to get paid and have their own semi-private work space.
I also think that cubicle are better now since everyone has the tools easily available block out unwanted sounds compared to 20-30 years ago. I think that I would have liked allot less my time in a cubicle if I did not have whatever music or podcast I wanted available and be distracted by the noise of the office.
The main issue with a lot of cubes, now days, is they're in reality half-cubes so middle-management can sit in a massive aquarium looking cube behind everyone and look at all their screens with a glance. Which means you also don't get the privacy or sound-blocking that traditional cubes in the 80s-90s got.
So, all the bullshit of an open plan office with less space to work and less privacy. It makes you feel like cattle, rather than an employee.
>A small block of your own private space to work in a climate controlled environment with a chair is better than what most people have.
I work as a Laser Micro-Machining Engineer so I have to come in to work since I can't exactly get permission to take our a half-million-dollar, 1200 lb, class 4 laser lab system into my home office.
But since it is a class 4 laser lab (open lasers are dangerous and the lab must be optically secure), that means I get the entire lab/room to myself. I have my tasks, my manager trust me to keep up with them on my own, and I have the ability to do other things when the processes are running autonomously.
So yeah, WHF isn't the automatic sole solution, the solution is a work environment where you can do your best work without cruddy conditions or helicopter managers.
Yeah, it's sad that the cubicle work of the 80s and 90s parodied by "Office Space" seems like a good job nowadays. Except for coming in on Saturday. Aaaaannnd Sunday.
Those seemed like good jobs then too. I don't know what everyone thinks the alternative is. There is no world where everyone gets their own 4 walled office with a door.
The older people aren't actually stressing the deadline, they are just appearing to stress them.
You have to look stressed sometimes
Yea, I agree with you. Managers don’t understand peoples psychology or don’t care enough. The reason teams lack communication is because they don’t like each other, introverted, and or job sucks and they don’t care. Open office is only fun for social and extroverted people that share and talk to each other a lot from liking the job and their co workers. The only other nice thing about open offices is being able to glance at attractive people more often. There is absolutely no benefit for folks that like their own spaces or stressed out, our world is so chaotic - remote opportunities has been a god send for me.
I literally quit the first day when I started a job that was an open floor plan
Genuine question, how did you not see your work space in an office prior to accepting an offer?
The tour they gave me showed a different area than I was assigned. That area was nice and had cubicles. When I showed up for my first day they took me to a room with 50+ people packed together like sardines
Probably interviews remotely over zoom, so you never got to see the office.
I knew when I applied that it would be open plan. But I didn't anticipate how much the noise bounces off the walls
Open office plans were a cost saving measure disguised as a way to promote teamwork. Big tech caught onto the idea that removing cubicles could save upwards of a million dollars. Some went as far as to eliminate the need for costly network cabling and forced everyone to use WiFi. All that was left was to spin the whole venture into a cool new-wave tech culture thing. What we really got was people swapping out broken chairs and monitors at random stations, obnoxious noise, frequent interruptions, and a mixture of smells that I still hate thinking about.
My first job as a software engineer 20 years ago, I got a cubicle. It was awesome! I had room for two chairs (so someone else could visit), a bookshelf, a mini fridge, and three walls to decorate with posters and stuff.
My most recent job, I had a fancier title, a much higher salary, and 12 people reporting to me...but all I got was a desk in a large office. No walls to decorate. No room for a second chair. No privacy. No quiet. I came in early just to have time to get some work done without distractions.
Employers don't understand why so many of us demanded WFH.
If I had had a cubicle still, I might have been more willing to return to the office!
I always thought it was funny looking for jobs that companies brag about their open floor plan working space. Nah, sounds awful.
Yep, somehow my career has been going backwards too..
15 years ago I was an entry level IT specialist for a large IT company. At the time I had an awesome private cubical, a door (well not a door per se, more of a doorway) to it, 3.5 walls, etc. Then I moved companies, got a manager role, and had a cubical with 2 very short walls, but still an L shaped desk with storage, coat space, etc. It wasn't great, but it was fine.
Now I'm at the director level, I have 35 people reporting to me (not directly, 6 direct reports then cascading down), and I have 0 walls (1 I guess if you count the tiny little barrier behind my screens), and basically bench seating.
Let me tell you how awesome it is for the many private conversations I have to have each and every day to have to go and steal some open meeting space.
I think they spent the past 20 years perfecting cubicle-miniaturization technology.
Before WFH, it was a challenge to get into/out-of our chairs without rattling the walls. No second chair or mini fridge, that’s for sure. Great view of a cement wall with industrial pipes running across it though.
Had open floor plans for my previous 10 years in software development. Worse for heads-down work, I suppose, but much better for collaboration. I probably had fewer meetings in those 10 years than I had in 10 weeks at the cube farm. If I’m about to have, or just had, a 30-min meeting, my whole morning/afternoon is shot. So optimizing for heads-down work is pointless if it results in more meetings. For me anyway.
I would be happier with cramped space than open plan hot desking, and I hate cramped spaces
No no. They’re called neighborhoods.
This is why a requirement for any job I apply for is that it’s fully remote. I don’t mind travel, but fuck if I’m going to spend a third of my remaining time on this earth in a cubicle.
As someone that works in a open planed whaterver they call it landscape. I would kill for a cubicle
My office remodeled during Covid while we were all remote. I did some digging, it's several thousand dollars cheaper per seat to rebuild to an open floor plan, mainly because they can cram more people into the same space.
Fortunately for them, they are letting people continue to work from home. I'll quit the moment they tell us we have to come back.
The myth that open office encourages communication really only applying to non-creative or technical work. Getting in the zone requires a stable environment not people chatting and gossiping about whatever.
I can't do focus work in the office. Just so distracting.
If you had an infinite number of monkeys tapping away at an infinite number of keyboards it would sound like an open plan office and probably be about as efficient.
While we also work in an open space office, my company managed to only hire people that really want to work efficiently, so I actually get to enjoy the occasional quick chat in the kitchen, on the balcony or at the desk while still being in an environment that is filled with concentrated work vibes and mostly work related conversations.
As someone that has troubles staying concentrated at home, I am really happy for that and I do see the beneficial effects of more work collaboration too.
But I understand that this isn't the standard everywhere and that it's also very dependent on the job roles if overhearing your teammates talking about their clients or current struggles can be an advantage or just a distraction.
I'm the same, but also a nester. I'm at my best when I'm buried with everything I need within arms reach.
I started my current job sharing a closet with someone. They quit and then covid hit so I had a nice year alone in my cloffice where I was hyper productive.
Then they forced me out, put a habitual whiner/work maker in there and kicked me out. Immediately my productivity plummeted because I had people badgering me with easy questions that they wouldn't have bothered to stand up to ask before, but now that I'm there...
Seriously I was able to get more work done AND screw around more when I was hidden away. I miss my cloffice.
I hear that. I hate how people are so much more willing to bother you when they can see me. If they couldn't be assed to type out the message out if I'm offset then they sure shouldn't be asking it on site.
It is a bit of a challenge though because I have some more green coworkers and I would like to be around more to help them, but also means I'm less productive on focus work
I worked at a company for many years, it went from full wall cubes, to half wall cubes to the eventual open space concept. Of course they wanted to sell you on it so they built a bigger cafeteria hybrid space with a coffee shop etc.
During these different rebuilds they had to move people around, I found out that it was about 1 thousand dollars per cube move. The building they rented from probably made a killing this time.
The sad part is that it isn't actually cheaper, because people are less productive due to all the distractions on an open floor plan. Companies delude themselves to save costs, but end up spending more.
But productivity doesn't matter until it starts effecting the hard numbers, and the decision makers are never invested enough to connect the two dots.
That's the problem. There's a budget for office space and the cheaper, the better. Costs are never measured against the yield.
My situation is the exact same - they renovated the office from the cube farm to an open floor plan. Basically packed half the floor space with tiny ass sectionals. You can sneeze into the back of the head of the person in front of you.
Thank God they're letting us work from home and only come onsite when we need to. The moment that changes I'm quitting. Not worth it at all.
Me too. My co-workers hear all of my telephone convos. It's annoying af.
my coworkers heard all mine when I was cubicles. no doors and full walls, no privacy
Imagine that but they see you too.
half-wall cubicles.. been there
edit- I reread my last comment, and it wasn't clear that I meant no doors OR full walls means no privacy
Yeah I don’t understand what cubicles have to do with unionization. I like my cubicle.
Cubicles represent Office Space style workplaces.
But cubicles rule, so long as they aren’t packed together like sardines.
If it’s not feasible to give everyone a private office, really the spectrum of options goes from “open office” to “dense cube farm”. In between is nice.
When I worked in office my cubical had a half wall facing the wall of windows, and a full wall on all other sides. It kept noise away from me, but still let me see outside.
Tangent I know but is it just me that envy the hell out of the people in Office space. Even if they eventually got fired they easily got new jobs. Can you even imagine having such a stable income? I bet they even owned their houses and had relativly new cars. Times are different now.
Wait you guys get desks I get to stand at registers all day and be yelled at and toyed with because the other person is having their day and I'm here to work but to them I'm a toy
And hit on
Oh absolutely and when you express that you're here to do a job they get offended because you're trying to bring them back to the subject matter I'll never understand it why do you corner a person publicly at their job like that
I’ve fired sooooo many clients for inappropriate comments in session.
People feel entitled enough that they take their chance in any situation, without thinking.
And by people I mean men. (I’ve heard on ONE woman hitting on a massage therapist in my 11-12 years doing this.
Cube free encore careers!
As a guy for me it's the creepy middle-aged women who like having attention from a modestly attractive young man.
Like I'm in my '20s working an office job now, but looking back it was *so creepy* a lot of what those fuckers did and said. Never realized it, because I always assumed it was something that happened to women mostly. It just felt weird and uncomfortable.
As a rule never hit on people when you're their customer. You can appreciate that they look nice, just don't be weird about it. I never minded that some lonely old women obviously enjoyed me helping them, as long as it's just a passive "yay attention" sort of thing.
And *never* ask for a number.
Cue all the people who got a date this way saying but but but.
I mean, sometimes it works. I just wouldn't expect redditors to have the proper social awareness to know when it is and isn't appropriate.
Also, generally speaking I agree with you, 99% of the time it isn't appropriate. But sometimes you can make a genuine connection with someone in the short interaction, and it'd be foolish not to take a shot.
I'm guessing you're field of work is a massage therapy parlor and I'm grateful even though you're getting a lot of downloads that you manage to stand up for yourself and was allowed to have that space I'm not as lucky as you are I don't get that opportunity to protect myself and the management doesn't do that either for me so I have to politely endured the what technically should be considered harassment
Surprisingly, as a lady doing registers for 7 years, I only had one guy hit on me while I was behind a register.
Worst experience ever. You feel like a trapped audience and I live within blocks of work.
Honestly it's a small minority group of men but they compact for me on the daily and it's hard to smile it away when it happens so frequently I'm grateful you only had one experience I've had multiple experiences and I've worked cashiering since I was 19 I've even moved 3 hours away from where I originally was plan to move back and that influx got a slightly bit bigger so I'm kind of like a fish out of water where I am and just trying to smile through it feeling trapped
You deserve a chair/stool at least. I really don't see why that isn't an OSHA violation.
It is unusual for there to be a stool or a chair for people who work customer service in the US there's no OSHA violation for that unfortunately would be nice but
That's good that you are very thorough in your understanding I keep trying to get a job at Aldi's they keep rejecting me not sure what I'm doing wrong but it's cool for funny story
The issue generally is employers giving us the cheapest working conditions that benefit them. Office workers get packed in cube farms or open offices. Front line workers get stuck standing at registers for 6+ hrs without support from mgmt when there's problematic customers.
That is precisely how I perceive our environments in a workspace and I feel like we deserve better than that hopefully someday soon it'll change
If it makes you feel better I never use a man register.
Only when I’m forced like at a clothing store. Even still we mostly order online.
Honestly you don't want to be the person on the register especially being a female you get usually people several decades your senior treating you like a toy and trying to play with you I don't understand where the behavior comes from it's kind of creepy and when you try to bring them back to why they're here they get offended for you bringing them back to why they're here makes me want to wear one of those service animal vests that says I'm at a job please don't play with me cuz clearly the uniform isn't enough for them to get it in their head that I'm not here to play you're here to have your day great just don't drag the staff in on it it's distracting and it derails everything along with slowing everybody else's day down
This is a nice....single sentence you wrote here.
Yeah I don't get people who complain about cubicles. Seems kind of privileged to think they're even bad when most other work environments are worse. Your own space, sitting down all day, privacy from everyone working around you, so quiet you're only self conscious about eating chips too loud?
Have they never worked a customer facing job before? Have they never worked in an open office plan with no privacy? How good has their life been that they compare their space to grazing animals? We've been out here working in factory farm levels of personal space and they're upset about not getting an open field?
i guess it's more that people are arguing for the wrong thing.
A cubicle isn't a cage. WE can get up and go pee, go to the kitchen, go for a walk.
I want more pay. I want more flexible hours. I want better benefits. The cubicle isn't an issue. Would i like my own office? Sure. But i also understand that'd be incredibly expensive and probably unreasonable to do for everyone.
i mean, i work from home now and i'm happier. but the cubicle was never the issue.
I'm not sure how cubicle jobs could be better other than just giving you an office, which is obviously unrealistic. I have an open floor plan right now and I truly miss the cubicle days.
I think it varies based on what the job is.
If someone is a computer coder who never has to look any human in the face ever to fulfil their tasks (nor do they desire to do so), then yeah WFH is an obvious and optimal alternative to on-site.
But a Manufacturing Engineer doesn't get that luxury, there's desk work to be done, but they also have to be out on the floor to get things done too. If it's not worth it or possible to make the commute for hybrid; then having a decent cubicle is a decent middle ground, especially if it's one of those "basically a small office" type cubicles as opposed to a computer and chair cubby cubicles.
To me, the question here is not a hyperbolic choice between WFH or a cubby-cubicle, the goal is the choice between which ever solution makes for a work environment where you can complete your tasks optimally.
of all the issues to complain about the workplace, having to work in a cubicle really isn't one of the more pressing ones imo
Yeah... Like apart from working from home, what's the solution? Double the number of buildings so everyone can get an office? I'm allowed to get up and take a walk whenever I want to stretch my legs, and when I'm working I'm just staring at a screen, so why would I care how much space is behind me that I'm not using lol
sounds like the alternative nowadays are people getting stuck in these terrible sounding open concept offices.
ideally WFH is an option, I agree, but otherwise you have to stick people *somewhere*. some of these companies have thousands of people in one facility, not everyone can have an office lmao
Open office sucks if you're stuck at the same open desk all day everyday
If it's more like a library setup with multiple seating types and you're able to move around fluidly throughout the day I like them
If you can work in a cubicle, you can work from home.
You could definitely free up space by but having giant lobbies to impress flex and not having giant offices for executives that are never there. Used to work at a company that through around VP titles to their friends even though most of the VPs where never in their, way too big, offices (I had never seen like a third of them and their offices remained off limits).
At my current job they gave the admins offices because the admins are great and they had offices to spare. The higher ups found out and kicked the admins back into cubes because that was the policy. Now these offices just sit empty.
People don't live in cubicles - they work in them. This is not to mean that I am against unionising, just that it is a silly example.
Having everything in arms reach, or close to it is important for work. Having to roll 6 ft across an office to get a post-it all the time is a pain.
Also, you're not laying down, sleeping, eating, shitting in your cubicle.
> Also, you’re not laying down, sleeping, eating, shitting in your cubicle
Don’t tell me how to live my life
>Having everything in arms reach, or close to it is important for work. Having to roll 6 ft across an office to get a post-it all the time is a pain.
Lol, this is kind of silly.
Having a larger workspace in no way means you can't keep the stuff that you need close to you.
If you don't want to roll 6 feet to get a post-it, move the post-its closer.
I'm convinced half these types of memes are from some propaganda farm trying to discredit the labor movement.
Considering how the AOC sub is botted to hell and back, and the bernie subs have been blatantly run by conservatives for years…
All of those subs are ran by a user named lRLOurPresident. Notice that the first letter is a lowercase L, rather than a capital i- that's because their original account was IRLOurPresident, which was suspended for vote manipulation.
In other words, those subs are all modded by an alt account that should be suspended for pushing state propaganda. My guess is Russian, they posted some Russian-sympathetic content when the Ukrainian invasion started but they went light on it probably because it would be extremely unpopular on the subs they have control over and that would harm their overall ability to spread propaganda.
Right? Are we supposed to fight for bigger cubicles? Cause I really don’t need anymore space in mine but I’d sure like a raise!
Also the animal housing examples are wrong unless they mean just overnight
Agreed, I'd be upset if my apartment were 36 square feet, but a cubicle is basically just a space for a desk and a chair. Even if it were bigger, I don't really see how that extra space would be useful for me, considering I'm not trying to keep a bunch of stuff on my desk. This is all glossing over the question of what unions and cubicles have to do with each other and what the alternative would be.
While I agree, some people spend 12+ hours a day at work so I kinda get the point 🤷
You're going to spend half the time you're awake at your workplace. I did some math for a previous job and figured that I had about four hours to myself every evening at home before I had to go to bed and do it all over again the next day. Once you count the commute time and the fact that mornings are spent rushing through a shower and maybe breakfast rather than really engaging with anyone or being able to pace yourself, you don't get much time to spend with your friends and family. It's nuts that we devote more hours to being among co-workers than the people we actually love and cherish.
So why not have a work environment that feels dignified, if you're going to be spending the bulk of every weekday there? Why settle for acres of claustrophobic gray boxes? All it's doing is letting the executives line their pockets with more cash to buy more yachts and fancy cars. It's absolutely not necessary.
I actually like the idea of working, eating and shitting in my cubicle.
Also, people are not goats or donkies.
It’s like in the Office when they are comparing prison to work. “You can actually leave the office, Michael. They are just teasing you.”
yea you aren't supposed to live in a cubicle, sorry to break it to you
Japanese MFs expressing shock and disgust
Oh... so that's why my neighbors are never home at night.
Well the goat and the donkey are always there, but they suck at poker and shit everywhere so I don't invite them over anymore. And I'm pretty sure the goat ate my TPS report.
Is the point of this supposed to be that a worker in a cubicle has a life somewhat less than a goat, but way worse than a donkey?
I agree with the message, but unless you're laying down in the cubicle or taking a shit in the corner it doesn't really apply. Oh wait, I forgot about being able to lay down under the desk for a good cry (maybe they just assume you'll be in the fetal position?) and not getting enough time to use the restroom (I guess get a lamp?). Carry on.
Which message would that be? Cubicles are honestly great if you have to be in the office. I loved having my own space which I was free to do with as I saw fit. It also gave privacy and helped substantially with mitigating office noise.
Outside of having your own personal office, it’s the best for working in an office environment.
Yeah, if I was negotiating working conditions for a union, "bigger cubicles" wouldn't really be a priority.
I install cubicles for a living. They're great for large office: everyone gets their own space, it makes it far easier to get each person power and data, and you get things like corner desktops, tackboards, and shelves/binder bins.
Also, 32 square feet is NOT the average. That's a 6'x6' cube; while that's not super *un*common, 8'x8' (or 64 square feet) is much more common.
Source: ~17 years of installing cubicles around half the country.
"No, we're going with a communal workspace where everyone can collaborate." - my former employer, not understanding that some jobs (analyst, here) need quiet to focus
Sure, let me just sit in the middle of a cafeteria like space while trying to write this SQL. I'm sure it'll be great for focus and I can always just lean over to get input from the sales guy talking loudly to a client what he thinks of my join statements. I'm sure his input will be exactly what I need
I think that's the point, but it's a really stupid point because the bare minimum living spaces mentioned for the goat and donkey are their entire living space. The cubicle is not the office worker's entire living space.
Yeah, the goat and donkey are peeing and shitting in that space. If your employer is making you do that too in the cubicle, then yeah you need a lot better conditions.
Otherwise the ability to leave the cubicle defeats the whole livable space.
Do you spend your entire life in a cubicle? No, not unless you decided to live in NYC.
Nope I don’t. Typically do between 7-5, but the ability to leave for lunch and ,you know, having a home really makes it a bit different than being a goat.
Cubicles rock. The fight against cubicles was started by big business as a way to cut costs. By fighting cubicles, you are helping big business.
You’re also comparing apples and oranges. The amount of space you have to work is not the same as the amount of space an animal lives for around 22 hours a day and can’t leave on their own.
Do you think unions get rid of cubicles?
Please no, I've threatened to quit before when a boss threatened us with that , thinking it would 'boost collaboration'.
Now that I think about it. Are there any union offices workers? I'm sure there are but typically you here about labor/customer jobs to be unionized. I suppose maybe a call center would be high chances for it.
Government jobs. I'm unionized, I have a cubicle, the OP makes no sense
The goat and donkey want to unionize, too.
I had my own office for 3 years! 15’x23,
It was huge. Lost my job to covid and got a new job. I know work from home and share my 10’x11’ office with the baby.. until I finish modifying the garage.
Good, at least the baby can spend its time sorting your tools and oily rags.
Things wrong with this comparison:
1. People do not live in their work cubicles. They work there
2. They are not trapped there. They are free to move about the office during the day
3. There are kinds of work other than office work. Some people like it, others don't. If you're the kind that doesn't, you're probably in the wrong field. Also not even all office jobs are like this
I'm totally for the anti-work/work reform movement. Honestly. But I'm not going to stand behind the false manipulation of information
Also short of having my own closed office, a cubicle is the next best thing. Got my own little space to zone out the rest of the people working with headphones and do my job.
Many cubicle workers are not allowed to leave their desks. Think call centers.
Some people are trapped in those jobs by economic circumstances, or maybe they have something preventing them from getting a different job right away.
Seriously your answer is “get another job”. Doesn’t that trivialize the entire work reform movement? “Shitty conditions can exist but that’s ok because if people don’t like it they can switch jobs”
I’m not going to stand for under-informed privileged middle classers denying that abuses happen in cubicle farms. Life isn’t a sitcom and not every office is The Office. If you don’t know, don’t comment.
“I'm totally for the anti-work/work reform movement. Honestly. But I'm not going to stand behind the false manipulation of information”.
Ha, you are in the wrong subreddit, homey. This one is full of false manipulation of information.
Are you kidding me? Dude I would do some rather unholy stuff just to get stuck at a desk instead of on my feet making food all day
I had to do like 8 years of awful unholy shit before landing a job where they pit me in a cube. It's so peaceful. I have never had a less stressful job before.
A cubicle? I used to get 3 linear feet of desk space ) and the 4ft wide desk had another person across me. with a 4ft wide aisle for my chair (barely) and another person directly behind me
I wish I had a cubicle.
It’s funny and sad watching Office Space today and getting jealous of the nice big private cubes they got.
With all that storage to store junk instead of it cluttering my desk space
Anyone who's against cubicles hasn't worked in an open plan office - gimme a 90's style cube with walls etc. any day over that horse shit.
Bad graphic. They’re giving the implication of three dimensions but they’re only giving a flat area…
Yeah I think they are confusing square feet with cubed feet.
I mean yes but you typically have more freedom than those animals.
I really don’t mind cubicles. It’s better to have some privacy and your own space instead of being totally exposed on an open office floor.
I don’t live in my cubical.
And I don’t know about you, but myself and everyone I work with love the cube life. There was immediate pushback when they tried to go to one of those bullshit “open office plans”.
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You can tell no one here as ever had a job. The only people that don't like cubicles are upper management or naïve idiots
This is the dumbest arguement
I’m begging you not to take away my cubicle, if you put me back in an open office I’m going to have to pour myself out a nice heaping bowl of Cinnamon Lead Crunch
Think this is bad? Try an open concept office.
This graphic is indoor space not total space, for 1 donkey it should be at least an acre, all this is saying is they don’t need much indoor space. That donkey will likely only go in there to be fed, to check to see if he’s been fed, and to maybe get out of the weather. Our horses would usually rather stand in the rain than go in the barn. If this was an indoor stall and the donkey had no way to go outside it would have to be much bigger. I’m not even sure how to compare it to a human at a desk because they are not the same in any way.
People don't live in cubicles. I support unions, but this is stupid. A goat can't walk down to the break room to get some coffee. A donkey can't go to the bathroom to stretch its legs.
>A donkey can’t go to the bathroom and stretch its legs
As someone who has a bunch of donkeys for co-workers, I beg to differ
Most people don't poop in their cubicles.
You don't live in the cubicle
Also I would rather a cubicle over an open office.
You don't live in a cubicle. You can leave it whenever you want.
Also, how fuckin dumb do you have to be to think forming a union would magically make you not have to sit in a cubicle?
I mean you don't really live in your cubicle do you? It's a pretty poor comparison.