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Buggi_San

Hi everyone !! We are finally starting Book 3 ! Can I hope for Mat to become a normal person in this book ? Great start with a bunch of Perrin POV chapters, yay ! ​ >Tarabon and Arad Doman are in civil war, as well as at war with each other **I can understand the civil war but looking at the map, how are they fighting when they aren't even adjacent countries ?** >He \[Uno\] had acquired a painted eyepatch on their way into the mountains during the autumn; a permanently frowning eye in a fiery red did nothing to make his stare easier to face **Lol, at the visual** >Yet it was not really a sword. It seemed made of glass, or perhaps crystal, blade and hilt, and crossguard, catching such light as there was and shattering it into a thousand glitters and flashes. **The Sword that is not a sword** >He was never sure of his ground with girls, but Rand always seemed to know his way. So did Mat **Mandatory joke. It has officially crossed into Book 3** ​ ***Comments*** **:** * Do we have a reason for why Tarabon and Arad Doman are fighting ? This was mentioned in TGH too * Ordeith is definitely Padan Fain right? Who else has such a hate-love relationship with Rand ? * If the top people of WhiteCloaks are under influence by Darkfriends and worse, maybe it is time they re-evaluate themselves ? * The Prologue was so informative about Whitecloaks !! They have a whole country in their control, woah ! * I didn't expect Rand to start losing control so quickly ! The final battle in TGH seems to have tipped his control over Saidin * We finally got a potential answer to the sword that is not a sword part of Min's prophecy for Rand ! * Interesting that Trollocs are not only led, but also bonded to Myrdraal ? Is it a twist on the Aes Sedai-Warder bond? * Can someone tell the boys not to ignore dreams, especially when they are coming from friendly wolves ? * PERRIN KILLED A MYRDRAAL ! That has to unlock some achievement right ?


Jeffry_Rezal

I can understand the civil war but looking at the map, how are they fighting when they aren't even adjacent countries ? If I understand correctly, they are separated only by the Almoth Plains. Which is also the thing they are fighting over. So they can just send troops to the Plains in order to occupy them. Then those troops can fight each other, I guess. He was never sure of his ground with girls, but Rand always seemed to know his way. So did Mat This still is one of my favorite reccuring jokes in this series ! Do we have a reason for why Tarabon and Arad Doman are fighting ? This was mentioned in TGH too For now, I believe it's "simply" for dominion over the Almoth Plains which is unclaimed land. Ordeith is definitely Padan Fain right? Who else has such a hate-love relationship with Rand ? I agree. He's the obvious one to think about. I would love to be surprised about this, tough ! Someone that might hate him for the loss of a loved one (and who is potentially good at disguises) would be Thom. However, that's a bit of a strech I think. If the top people of WhiteCloaks are under influence by Darkfriends and worse, maybe it is time they re-evaluate themselves ? I did not catch that Carridin was a top member of the order. I thought he was "simply" a ranked Questioner. I think that even without taking Darkfriends into account, the Children might be a brotherhood of opportunists rather than one of faith. Sure, there are some true faithfull members such as Byar, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the minority. The Prologue was so informative about Whitecloaks !! They have a whole country in their control, woah ! I was also surprised to learn they had such power ! At that point, I thought they were just a brotherhood of zealous monks/torturers/knights. I can't wait to learn more about them. We finally got a potential answer to the sword that is not a sword part of Min's prophecy for Rand ! Nice catch. I totally forgot about the sword part in Min's prophecy. The only thing it reminded of is the Dragon's prophecy about taking over an impregnable castle or something. ***What did you think about the rest of the dream ?*** Can someone tell the boys not to ignore dreams, especially when they are coming from friendly wolves ? I know, right ?! Will you guys please start trusting the Aes Sedai ?! Even just Moiraine at the very least !!!


Buggi_San

I am not sure Carridin is a top member, but because Questioners are a separate group and he had an army under control, I just assumed he is one of the top members. The rest of the dream : (For some reason, my notes didn't get saved) \- The lady is definitely Lanfear (GLORY + Valere mentions == Lanfear), so I am assuming the first is also a Forsaken (I have an theory who, but won't mention it as it is colored by the show) \- I want to highlight the fact that even Perrin was also spun out by the wheel many times (as Artur mentioned in TGH, that some heroes are spun out) \- The three arguing are our trio (in a previous life). No proof other than the fact that the third guy had weird eyes and he had a stocky build, so he has to be Perrin :p


Idostuff2010

Tarabon is fighting with Arad Doman over Almoth plain, which lies between them. think of it this way. Tarabon is russia, arad doman is germany, almoth plain is poland.


Buggi_San

Ah ! Thank you For some reason I didn't get that they were fighting over/on Almoth Plain (smh), so it felt weird that they were crossing a country-sized plain to fight the other country.


doctrinascientia

* [TV, ep. 8] >!I saw that Uno had some sort of dark red design on his eyepatch, but it was too dark for me to see it. Then in ep. 8, he steps into the light [19:47] and it looked like a flower to me, but I can now see that it could've also been an eye.!< * Yeah, there's definitely some wrong all throughout the Whitecloaks (that we've seen), however, I got the impression through this chapter that the Grand High Muckity Muck seemed to be making points that agreed with the Whitecloaks' ideals. I know he's taking counsel from evil people (agree with you on Ordeith), but we see him weighing points pretty logically. Even the one truly glaring error of attributing the Seanchan attacks to the Aes Sedai makes sense given his prior knowledge. When you hear hooves, think horses, not Flurgles.


Buggi_San

- Nice catch ! [TV Eps]>!It is more clear in the previous episode when he greets Lan, definitely an eye!<


Jeffry_Rezal

Hi there. I started reading the books when the first batch of episodes were released on Amazon Prime. The world seemed intriguing, so I delved into the books immediately. I ended up reading both *TEOTW* and *TGH* in two weeks, way before the end of season 1. Right when I was about to start the third book, I realized there was this read-along and so took a break. After a month (two ?) of waiting, I can finally take part in the read-along and start reading *TDR*. In my excitement, I took notes while reading and ended up with 4 pages of them … Here’s a (still too long) cleaned-up version of my remarks. ***Edit***: Or not. Apparently, the whole thing is too long for Reddit, so here's the TL;DR. The actual remarks should be in sub-comments. # TL;DR: * I loved the Prologue. It gave us a lot of insight on the political climate all over the map, in addition to mysteries to look forward to. * I’m pretty sure Edmond Field will burn (again) at some point (and so will Tar Valon) * I feel for my boy Rand being ostracized, but I’m glad he’s not our POV character for now, because the angst is real. * I liked the interactions between Min and Perrin. * As usual, I’m stumped about the meaning of dream sequences. But I tried to take a shot in the dark: Mat and Perrin will kill Rand after he’s saved the world, before he can destroy it (as per the prophecy). * I expect we’ll get more of wolf boy coming to terms with his abilities. * I believe Rand is getting addicted to reaching Sedai despite being unable to control his ability. * Min will probably have an ominous vision soon. * **Do we have a non-spoilery list of Forsaken names currently known to us ?** * I hope we’ll get a POV in Tar Valon soon to see what Mat and the girls are up to. I would not expect them to be safe for long though, since the Children are gunning for the Aes Sedai. My only wish is that the Children wait long enough for Mat to finally be rid of that damn Dagger’s influence. I also can’t wait to see a confrontation with Liandrin (if she has not already fled Tar Valon)


Jeffry_Rezal

#Prologue: We get some much-needed insight into the order of the Children of the Light. Up until now, I believed the Children were simply a brotherhood of zealous monks/knights/torturers, but it seems they are actually players on the political map. If I understood correctly, they rule over the country of Amadicia (if not, they hold sufficient sway over its rightful authority) and their leader intends to extend that rule over the entire West of the map. Pedron Niall offers another view of what members of the Children are like. Where the Questioners all seem to be overeager torturers, some members are zealous believers like Byar, others are more moderate in their faith and bound by duty like Geofram Bornhald. The Lord Captain Commander seems to be faithful, but his duty comes to the Children first, to the Light second. Niall’s ambition to conquer the West of map will probably lead him to wage against the Aes Sedai in the East. I would not be surprised if Tar Valon and the Aes Sedai end up being destroyed by humans (and not Dark Armies) before the end of the saga. I expect the Children’s influence to expand a fair bit before being destroyed themselves by an army of Trollocs traveling through the Ways and striking their capital. Indeed, Niall (fairly) believes the Dark One’s armies can only cross through the Blight. Who the hell is Ordeith ?! Despite his description not matching previous ones, I believe him to be Padan Fain/Mordeth. His referring to himself as “we” could indicate a split/merged personality between the two entities. I guess the change in appearance could be corruption due to Mordeth. Another guess (fairly low probability, but quite interesting) would be Thom, under disguise, seeking revenge over Rand for the death of his beloved. Both know enough about Rand and the Edmond Fielders to give Ordeith’s speech. Last catchall guess: a Forsaken. In any case, I expect Edmond’s Field to soon burn. Fain’s made a promise in *TGH*, and a man/demon/shadow gotta keep his promises ! Carridin being a Darkfriend was a surprise to me. With hindsight, it makes sense, and Carridin is probably Bors from *TGH*’s prologue. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for further Whitecloak potential Darkfriend, and should probably re-read Bors’ prologue to see what Darkfriend remains to be revealed. This reveal raises some questions, was Carridin’s stalling of Bornhald in Toman’s Head of his own volition, or orders from the Dark One ? If the latter, what does the Father of Lies gain from Seanchan presence in the West (apart from destabilization of the current order). Are the Seanchans actually Darkfriends ? I mean, we’ve seen slavers interact with a Black Ajah, but is the whole Seanchan society controlled by the Dark One ?


Joinedformyhubs

Good catch on Ordeth. I recall in The Great Hunt when appealing to Egwene that he is innocent while in the chambers that Padin mentioned that he was so involved with the dark one he has become apart of him. *edit to change books!


Buggi_San

> If the latter, what does the Father of Lies gain from Seanchan presence in the West (apart from destabilization of the current order). Are the Seanchans actually Darkfriends ? I mean, we’ve seen slavers interact with a Black Ajah, but is the whole Seanchan society controlled by the Dark One ? When Egwene is captured Liandrin and her captor talk about serving the same lord (and "Egwene imagines a man with fiery eyes or something" when she hears that). So there is definitely DO's influence. Interesting theory about the Aes Sedai being destroyed - It could become necessary, narratively speaking that Tar Valon falls, as it is the strongest force against the Dark now and the girls are relatively safe there.(But hopefully it doesn't happen until the girls get trained well)


welly321

I dont think all Seanchans are darkfriends but that particular Seanchan was a Darkfriend.


Jeffry_Rezal

#Chapter 4 : Interpreting dream sequences is not my forte, but I’ll still try my hand at it. The second sequence of the dream has a woman wearing a white dress in it. Her description and mentions of glory as something worth striving for lead me to believe the woman is Selene/Lanfear. This would make the man in the first sequence another Forsaken. I don’t remember a lot of their names, so I’ll just guess randomly: Ishamael. I suppose both are trying to influence Perrin for some nefarious purpose. The third dream sequence is really different. There are mentions of memories, but since the fourth sequence of the dream seems to be a summon by a “Sword of Destiny”, I’m gonna go ahead and suppose the third dream is actually a prophecy. It contains three men, one of them wearing a dagger. My first thought is that since one man is wearing a dagger sheath, it’s either Mat or Fain. Since there are three men, I suppose Mat is the most probable one of the two. And if Mat’s in a triplet, the other ones would be Perrin and Rand. I’m not sure who is who among them, a re-read of their description might give further hints (or totally disprove the theory). I also have no idea why they would be fighting, but I expect that at some point in the book series, the three friends will grow apart from each other, and will end up on different sides of a conflict. Interestingly, the two men who first started the argument would agree on a temporary peace in order to deal with the third one. So here’s my crazy theory: Rand, Mat and Perrin will grow apart. Rand will save the world, but put it in danger afterward (as per the prophecy). Mat and Perrin will stop their conflict long enough to kill Rand and save the world from him. As for the fourth dream ? Well, that’s a sword of destiny, not much else to say. I think I remember a prophecy according to which the Dragon will raise a sword, and some catch-22. Something about not being able to reach the sword without taking a castle ? (I’m too afraid to google it) I guess that’s the same sword ?


Buggi_San

Have to agree with the second prophecy. Good catch on noticing the dagger ! I will add more kindling to the theory. The third man is supposed to have weird eyes ? So probably Perrin. And that would mean Rand and Mat are allied against Perrin ?


Jeffry_Rezal

#Chapter 5 : Rand’s earthquake attracted Trollocs and Myrddraals. Perrin lost himself to his wolf sense during the battle, and I suppose it will not be the last time, nor will it get better for a long time. Leya died pretty much meaninglessly, but it shows that Min’s visions cannot be avoided. I expect we’ll get a new one from her (or a reminder of a previous one) that will hang over the shadow of our characters for the whole book (possibly longer). More than half of the Shienaran soldiers are dead, which does not sound good for when the band finally comes out of hiding. Though I suppose we won’t have to wait for much longer now that their position is known by the Dark One. During the fight, Rand tried to channel, and it backfired again. It’s interesting to notice that Rand’s first reaction seemed to have been to channel rather than fight with his sword. It’s in stark contrast with the way he regarded channeling as something to be fearful of back in *TGH*. Is Rand getting addicted to the One Power the way Egwayne described herself to be in *TGH* ?


doctrinascientia

* DO Lure: I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't catch the connection between Rand's massive channeling and the arrival of the forces of the dark. I completely just assumed that they'd been searching and they just happened to find them at this time (that's why RJ was writing about this part), but your thing makes much more sense. * Channeling: You could be right, but I was thinking of it more in terms of him realizing that *saidin* is going to be a much more potent weapon which he should be able to employ to immediately halt the situation and save everyone at once. With the sword, he has to engage baddies on an individual basis, but if he could just shoot a laser beam at the advancing line, none of his friends would get hurt. Although...channeling is addictive and he's gotten a taste...so...probably that, too.


Jeffry_Rezal

#Chapter 1: Perrin’s bow is described as so large it should be able to pierce armor, and is further mentioned in later chapters of this reading session. I would not be surprised if this turns out to be a good old Tchekhov's bow. It’s mentioned Perrin and the gang are hiding in the mountains of the Mist, so not too far from Edmond’s Field. I would not be surprised if they go through it when they finally go out of hiding and find it destroyed/burned to the ground by Whitecloaks. I’m a bit curious about the mechanics of how the women were summoned by Moirane. My best guess: those are women able to feel the One Power, but do not have the ability to channel (i.e. hear the wind).


Buggi_San

> I’m a bit curious about the mechanics of how the women were summoned by Moirane. My best guess: those are women able to feel the One Power, but do not have the ability to channel (i.e. hear the wind). Tinfoil theory but we know Moiraine could track the kids using coins, so what if they have the power to do the same with Moiraine ?


Jeffry_Rezal

#Chapter 2/3: Rand spent the entire winter arguing with Moiraine about joining his “armies”. It does not seem to be out of thirst for power, but out of duty. Rand, I’m glad to see you wanting to rise and meet your duty, but please listen to the Aes Sedai for once in your life. The more Rand accepts his position as Dragon Reborn, the more people look up to him as a different man, more than a man, actually. Only a handful of people still act with friendliness rather than awe toward him. But even his relationship with Perrin seems to have degraded over the winter (and the course of *TGH*, really). I’m afraid Rand’s ostracization is only just beginning. I feel for you, Rand. Min and Perrin seem to have gotten close during the winter. I feel bad for Min and her unrequited love toward Rand. I'm still on the fence about the whole 'every girl Rand has ever spoken to will fall madly in love with him'. But hey, I guess that at the end of the day, ta'veren will ta'veren … Also: I still love the shtick about Rand and Perrin both wishing they could have the other one’s ability to understand the ladies. It always gets a smile out of me. Moiraine shares (part?) of the news brought on by Leya. If I read that correctly, Carridin is following both Pedron Niall’s and the Nyrddraal’s orders: keep clear of the Dragon’s ‘army’ while feeding information to the Dark One’s Soulless (position of Rand lookalikes). I can’t wait to hear more about the Soulless. In the meanwhile, I’ll imagine something that could come straight out of the Kingdom Hearts franchise.


Buggi_San

> I’m pretty sure Edmond Field will burn (again) at some point (and so will Tar Valon) Ever since we got such a detailed description of EF and the people, I have been sure we will see it again, but never expected a war. > I liked the interactions between Min and Perrin. Me too ! They seem to have become good friends in a relatively short time. > My only wish is that the Children wait long enough for Mat to finally be rid of that damn Dagger’s influence That is how much Mat's dagger has irritated all of us ! Don't mind the Children attacking but please wait until Mat is rid of its influence. > Do we have a non-spoilery list of Forsaken names currently known to us ? Aginor, Balthamel, Lanfear and Ishamael ? The glossary of TGH mentions only these


Mickl3

I love these Perrin chapters, seeing him interact directly with Moirane, Lan, Min, Rand, and the rest of the group was something I wish we had more of in book two. I honestly really like reading from Perrin's perspective, I have a feeling he's going to see a lot of growth in this book. One thing that bothers me is how Rand and Perrin are constantly arguing with Moiraine. Maybe I'm inserting my own personality in their characters, but I feel like they should have realized a long time ago that listening to her and following her directions is a good idea. Granted, they are Emond's Fielders, which makes them more stubborn than most, and they grew up with deep distrust of Aes Sedai (for good reason!). Overall a very good start in my opinion!


Joinedformyhubs

I dislike their talks with Moraine as well! She definitely deserves to be talked to better. I try to remind myself that her "job" is known for speaking in riddles and nuances of true meaning, which makes them second guess her. Though as the reader we know she is being extremely helpful!!!


Idostuff2010

yeah i wonder what incentive she has to be so vague about everything at this point. I understood it at the beginning where it would be so insane to flat out tell the boys everything right away, but now i don't get it


Buggi_San

Every mentor wizard (Gandalf, Dumbledore) has to speak in riddles, it is in their contract :p . But yes, I agree I don't get why Moiraine is hiding stuff now.


Joinedformyhubs

Right? It does make sense to keep things from them at first. Especially having to explain, "hey! You could be the Dragon reborn! Come with me to save the world!" There is a reason she keeps her cards close to her chest.


Buggi_San

Have to agree with you on Perrin's POV. He seemed to have a stalled a bit in TGH, hope we see more growth/ I have to add a dollop of Aes Sedai mistrust in my mind, when they are thinking/talking to Moiraine for their arguments to make sense.


ofcarbon24

Hahaha I dig how you thought they should just listen to Moiraine, meanwhile I was like LFG when Perrin was getting argumentative. I think you’re probably right that it does them little good arguing, but it’s been entertaining as hell to read.


Sephoria2

I've just joined this read-along having been turned onto the books after the TV show! - The prologue was very interesting, the Dark One's influence seems to be everywhere. I'm guessing Ordeith is Padan Fain since he was missing from Falme, though seems like an odd direction to go since they hate dark friends. - Enjoying Perrin's POV, I really hope he learns to accept the wolves. So far they have been incredibly useful and I feel like you need all the help you can get when the Dark One is hunting you! A few things that currently bother me about the characters/series: - I really wish they would trust Moiraine a bit more. She's done a lot to keep them safe and alive, and whilst she clearly has an agenda, her actions thus far have been positive. The general distrust of all Aes Sedai is wearing thin for me at the moment. To be honest, Egwene has more reason to distrust the Aes Sedai after been tricked into slavery by Liandrin! Hopefully we can see how she's dealing with the aftermath of that trauma. - I just don't see where the interest in Rand is coming from with Min and Elayne. It feels like they both spent 15 mins with him, but they are half declaring their love for him - especially Min! It seems like relationships come out of nowhere in these books, with a couple of sentences thrown out there to let the reader know that this person is falling for that person and that's it! - I'm pretty sure Lanfear revealed herself to Min in the last book, but no one seems to know? Has Min not told anyone that a forsaken has been waltzing about near Rand? No sort of announcement to everyone to say 'Hey, look out for this chick - she's evil!'. Unless she's already told Moiraine and they are keeping it a secret? Hopefully that is cleared up soon Enjoying so far. Will probably end up reading ahead, but will be checking in each week


thematrix1234

> ⁠I just don't see where the interest in Rand is coming from with Min and Elayne. It feels like they both spent 15 mins with him, but they are half declaring their love for him - especially Min! It seems like relationships come out of nowhere in these books, with a couple of sentences thrown out there to let the reader know that this person is falling for that person and that's it! I agree! The romances are very rushed


Buggi_San

Glad to have you join the read-along! > Enjoying Perrin's POV, I really hope he learns to accept the wolves. So far they have been incredibly useful and I feel like you need all the help you can get when the Dark One is hunting you! I think RJ gave this power a disadvantage with Perrin having to control himself into becoming a full on wolf ? > I just don't see where the interest in Rand is coming from with Min and Elayne. It feels like they both spent 15 mins with him, but they are half declaring their love for him - especially Min! It seems like relationships come out of nowhere in these books, with a couple of sentences thrown out there to let the reader know that this person is falling for that person and that's it! Ikr ! I am going to attribute it to teens being teens, but tbh Min atleast makes a bit more sense. She has seen that she will like Rand in the future, so she has started to like him already ? That is my rationalization :p


doctrinascientia

You're right about the romances. Lan and Nynaeve seemed to come out of pretty much nowhere, but at least they'd been in close proximity for a while. Rand's harem makes less sense. I know the whole *ta'veren* thing means that the Pattern bends things into Rand's life (see: Cairhien Game of Houses), but it's really working overtime. When I usually think of fate, destiny, prophecy, or other things on a grand scale like the Pattern, it's usually more subtle in its manipulations. I understand that *ta'veren* means that unexpected stuff will happen, but I hope that RJ doesn't completely abandon story-telling. It has the potential to remove the stakes from pretty much everything.


parafilmflowers

> I just don't see where the interest in Rand is coming from with Min and Elayne. It feels like they both spent 15 mins with him, but they are half declaring their love for him - especially Min! It seems like relationships come out of nowhere in these books, with a couple of sentences thrown out there to let the reader know that this person is falling for that person and that's it! Totally agree! I have started to kind of accept this effect for Rand though as he is so strongly ta'veren and perhaps that is pulling others toward him, romantically in these cases? I would think that Mat and Perrin might also get some of that action too, then! Perhaps the way that ta'veren pull on others varies based on their role in the pattern?


KneesofPutty

My memory might be deceiving me but wasn’t there some indication of Min being attracted to Rand way back when they first met? I’m assuming that she saw something that linked her to him that has deepened her feelings but I could be way off.


doctrinascientia

* I started reading this Whitecloak prologue and almost immediately stopped to do an exhaustive search through The Great Hunt to see if we ever found out who Bors was. I remembered that he was a Questioner, but not whether his identity had been confirmed. Turns out, I should’ve just kept reading the prologue. * We see Logain in TEotW as a neutered threat, proof of what the Aes Sedai can do to Rand if they catch him, but not really a threat unto himself. We’ve seen Mazrim Taim mentioned several times in TGH and, now, he’s mentioned in the prologue, again. Prediction time: the Aes Sedai won’t catch him. He’ll become either (1) an enemy to Rand (False Dragon vs. Dragon Reborn), used as proof that people can still be enemies even if they don’t serve the Dark One or (2) he’ll end up in Rand’s camp. They’ve made it a habit to talk about Rand as a boy and Taim as a man and they’ve said that he channels. So, I think he could be either a second in command or like a *saidin* tutor. * So, Ordeith has to be Fain, right? His fake name is two letters away from Mordeth and he knows details about Falme as well as the Two Rivers. The question is, why go to the Whitecloaks? * We get an answer to our speculation about ravens and rats from TEotW, they have to report (and usually to a Myrdraal). How do they know when they need to report? How do they know where the nearest Myrdraal is? Did we just get an in-universe rationale for regular avian migration? Are they just constantly in a state of going to report or coming from reporting? It must suck to be a raven/rat/cockroach/chihuahua/other-evil-creature in this world. * You know, I’ve given them a lot of shit for not listening to their dreams or reporting them to Moiraine or whatever, but we only see the important ones. Months have passed since the beginning of our journey which means they’ve had *a lot* of regular, inane dreams. I still think they should definitely report the ones that are clearly different than normal dreams (like when something is different in the physical world when you wake up), but otherwise, I can see why they don’t leap to report it. That said, I think it’s safe to assume that these are bad people since Lanfear offers a cup, as well. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s poison or some sort of corrupty-juice. The group arguing at the end has to be other Forsaken, right? They appear to be equals and Lanfear is Forsaken, so these must be others. If Perrin can secretly observe them…could be game changing. * Not much happens in the bowl. It’s basically just them sitting there, getting updates. I guess it’s what would happen in real life, but it also feels like the portion of the story that some authors would skip. We get a much-desired update on Rand’s intentional channeling development as well as some Min character development, but that’s about it. * Probably the most important thing to come out of this section is that Perrin and Rand both seem terrified of losing themselves in their respective powers. And we see a glimpse of both sides (Rand with the earthquake and Perrin going full wolf-berserker). * Also, a festering wound that won’t heal which was caused by the bad guy seems like it’ll come up again. My “good guy and bad guy are connected because he left a piece of himself in you” alarm is going off.


doctrinascientia

Sorry for the late post. I just got a new, better job (yay!), but it's *much* farther away. I've been learning that commuting sucks.


Buggi_San

Yay for the new job 😁 !


Buggi_San

- Out of your theories about Mazrim Taim, 1 seems more likely for me. Especially with Rand causing earthquakes (out of control but) easily, he seems to be subconsciously learning how to use Saidin - My theory on the wound is that Rand will have to bargain with the DO/Forsaken to get it healed. But your theory could explain why he has become so sullen (other than saidin addiction)


DBSmiley

Hey all, I have read, but haven't had power since Monday (in Virginia). Only thing to say right now is I'm glad we're getting some Perrin time. Saving battery/data otherwise


DBSmiley

Okay, got a hotel room, so I have internet and electricity to spare. Liked the intros. I felt like Perrin got a lot of short shrift in TGH, getting far and away the least attention of our Elmond Field's folk. Still right out of the gate: 1) Rand is going insane. Good. I was tired of Rand's "sanity plot armor". This is actually a threat to deal with now. 2) It looks like we're going to Tear based on the book cover and Perrin's dream, and finally going to get that Sword that isn't a Sword. The sword's material seems similar to the bridge at Whitebridge. Wonder if they are the same material. 3) Perrin went beast mode there. Get it? Beast Mode? Because Beast Mode implies someone goes all out and becomes unstoppable, but also because he's...^a...^wolf^man Anyways, looks like we're going to get to the Children of Light being more than just a threat, but actually a primary opponent. I'm assuming we aren't done with the Seanchan, and I'm going to guess Rand and company have managed only to kick the hornet's nest. We'll see if they come back in this book.


Joinedformyhubs

Good riddance to the Seanchan. I'm so happy to bot have a visit from them ever again! The Children of the light disturb me in so many ways. Zealots is what they are. Love the Perrin joke!! Haha he definitely went Beast Mode and I am so happy to see it!


doctrinascientia

Yeah, I'm glad that we're seeing more and more non-Darkfriends who are against our group. Knowing that everyone won't necessarily rally around the supposed Chosen One makes it feel more grounded. > Perrin went beast mode there. Get it? Beast Mode? Because Beast Mode implies someone goes all out and becomes unstoppable, but also because he's...^a...^wolf^man Go to your room and think about what you've done. /s


participating

Glad the break gave you some time to catch up! Stay safe!


Buggi_San

Hope you are safe now ! \- Do you think it could be because he had to use a lot of Saidin in his TGH battle ? Seems like otherwise there is no reason for his behavior to change so soon. \- Seanchan, hopefully will need time to come back ? They probably suffered some setbacks. Will be glad to not see them for a couple of books atleast.


Joinedformyhubs

Chapter 5 - Wow what a battle! Young Blood, what a fitting name for Perrin. He says that he doesn't want to turn again, but he is amazing! Ah yes, Elyas!! Hoping Elyas and Perrin team up. Perrin said Elyas was there as a man, so will Perin be able to stay as a human?


doctrinascientia

* I'm hoping to see him and Rand take parallel journeys as they both battle the thing inside them that makes them stronger but also seeks to take them over. How much will they let in? Will one of them be overwhelmed as a lesson for the other? How strong can they get? * A training montage with Elyas would be great. * Also, respectfully, "Young ~~Blood~~ Bull" is the name they gave him, but you are right that it was fitting. > [how the wolves saw him] It was not the image he had made, a young man with heavy shoulders and shaggy, brown curls, a young man with an axe at his belt, who others thought moved and thought slowly. That man was there, somewhere in the mind picture that came from the wolves, but stronger by far was a massive, wild bull with curved horns of shining metal, running through the night with the speed and exuberance of youth, curly-haired coat gleaming in the moonlight, flinging himself in among Whitecloaks on their horses, with the air crisp and cold and dark, and blood so red on the horns, and. . . . *Young Bull.* - TGH, Ch. 14


Joinedformyhubs

I am hoping that the boys go through trials and learn to lean on one another rather than push each other away. Thanks for the correction!!


Karsa69420

Dumb question/grey area. If we are beginners, but ended up getting ahead during December can we still post in here about the book being covered?


participating

The ideal situation would be for you to write down your thoughts as you go. Then you can post your thoughts on the appropriate week, even if you're ahead. We'll have to remove any comment you may make that we feel is in any way colored by foreknowledge though.


Joinedformyhubs

Chapter 2 - Did anyone else enjoy the remarks of friendship between Rand and Perrin? Do you think that they will become closer friends through this? Without oversimplifying it, In a Harry Potter sort of way.


Buggi_San

This whole journey is going to make them closer definitely. But they are already at "Order of the Phoenix" friendship level I think (especially with how Perrin was a little more accepting of Rand's "affliction" in TGH)


Joinedformyhubs

Yes. Now the question is, will Perrin tell Rand of what is going on with him? Once he does, how will Rand react?


Joinedformyhubs

Prologue- Before the Mydraal visits, are the men discussing the "3 darkfriends" from twin rivers convincing themselves that those 3 are evil? Or are they claiming those 3 from twin rivers are evil as a scam/way to turn the world against them?


doctrinascientia

I believe Byar 100% believes they're DFs because of the Perrin/wolf attack. I think Carridin and Ordeith are saying that the EF5 are DFs because *they* are DFs. I think Niall believes all of them because all of his counselors are telling him that it's true.


Joinedformyhubs

What would be better? Perrin being a wolf or Perrin being a DF?


doctrinascientia

I don't think the Whitecloaks would draw a distinction. To them, anything magical/supernatural is related to the DO. That's why they brand all Aes Sedai as witches even when some of them spend all their lives just healing people. So, even if they believed that his wolfieness wasn't channeling and that he wasn't intending to serve the DO (which is a *huge* stretch for them), they'd still probably go after him because they'd believe his power was still unnatural.


Joinedformyhubs

Irriate zealots!


Buggi_San

I won't put it past the Whitecloaks to just call people DFs to put the world against them. But atleast here they have "proof" because Perrin was caught in EoTW


Joinedformyhubs

Yeah Perrin is fortunate to be alive after being captured in EotW


Joinedformyhubs

Chapter 1 - Yay more Perrin! I hope we get to learn much more about him! What is up with Perrin's itch? Leya, who is tuatha'an, would Perrin have known her before when he was with Egwene in Eye of the World?


Buggi_San

Could she have been from a different tuatha'an tribe ? But neither of them seem to have recognised each other.


Joinedformyhubs

I didn't even consider that there would be more than one.


Joinedformyhubs

Chapter 4- A chapter of Perrin dreams! So who was the lady in the dream? I was a little mixed up with who she is/her purpose. I thought the inclusion of different types of armor was interesting. Plus, the last sentence,  "The Twisted Ones come, brother." Ahhh!! Reminds me of Elyas!!


Buggi_San

Just from her description as the most beautiful women Perrin has seen, I have to say it could be Lanfear. But add on to that, the mentions of glory and the Horn of Valere.


ofcarbon24

>!Started off slightly bummed after finding out from my veteran book reader friend that the book titled TDR features little of TDR’s POV, but that didn’t last.!< Perrin’s POVs have been fantastic, I’m loving how he’s starting to show some pushback and is generally more argumentative. Also did he just fuck up that Fade with his bare hands/claws? I’m pretty sure he dropped the axe IIRC.


participating

Would you minding hiding your first sentence behind spoiler tags? We try really hard to keep out any sorts of spoilers in these threads, even vague information like that that you heard from a friend.


ofcarbon24

Done, thanks for the heads up!


participating

Thanks!


lamburg

First time reader, excited to read it with others!


crazycropper

Hold up...I don't know why this so difficult for me to grasp but is the date in the timeline (i.e Jan 5) the date to start the section or finish it? At first I thought start, but then I convinced myself I was already a week behind and now Im not so sure... On to my thoughts: Prologue: Pedron is playing a dangerous game, I completely understand where he's coming from and his angle but there is a lot of opportunity for his plans to go sideways,. Especially since his advisors, or at least those advising him, all seem to be dark friends. We see in the prologue that the questioner is definitely a dark friend and I'm convinced or deep is Padan Fain (although I thought the last time we saw him he was serving the Seachan? I guess we know who bores from the Great Hunt prologue is now...


doctrinascientia

The date on the timeline is the date where the discussion post will be posted and, thus, the time that we should aim to be finished with that section.


crazycropper

Ah...so I am a week behind then. Go team me 😂