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MarcyDozer

Making a garlic herb aioli while high using only your enthusiasm, creativity and taste buds is a satisfying time.


Phartidandshidded

Cooking is a *blast* I become like a little kid again ☺️ all giddy over the stupidest little concoctions


IGotThatYouHeard

Some people drink while they cook, I enjoy that. And some people like to get a little stoned before they cook, I enjoy that wayyyyyy more


justarandom3dprinter

Shit I cook for a living and idk if I'd be able to do it if I wasn't stoned


max1599

I'd assume you'll also need garlic and herbs


ReyTheRed

Neither one should be illegal because making them illegal increases the harms to both users and society without providing any benefit. Prohibition was bad for drinkers and empowered organized crime, and prohibition is bad for smokers and empowers organized crime.


HotCocoaBomb

Plus, it just punishes responsible users. There are plenty people who drink responsibly - yesterday I drank 350ml of wine over the course of three hours and left the restaurant only mildly buzzed, and as a passenger. Even when plastered drunk though, I know not to drive. I was once so drunk I couldn't read the street name in front of me - still got to an uber (with some help) and got my car the next day. I'd be absolutely pissed if I got my fun drug taken away because they decided to punish everyone instead of just the irresponsible ones. Even when life is good, it sucks! Don't make it suck more!


Throseph

You drank 350ml of wine over 3 hours and actually felt some effect?!


chet_thunderballer

Drug prohibition only creates black markets which creates crime that the government has to then violently deal with. It all wastes taxpayer money and causes unnecessary death. The war on drugs has been a massive failure and only resulted in a .1% drop in drug usage in the US. Because rather than spending money on rehab clinics and other social programs to help addiction, the government would rather keep imprisoning black and brown people for minor drug offenses for that SWEET prison money.


Bonsparks

Shouldn't be illegal, but the treatment of alcohol and marijuana should be traded. I used to think differently.. But alcohol addiction has killed two people in my family, and has caused physical and emotional abuse from two others. It's bewildering to me as to why it can be advertised on tv, sold in concealable bottles in gas stations to people actively driving, and why there are no warning labels. Resources for addicts are scarce and underfunded too.


JoshHutchins

I feel the same way about every drug. But I realize it's not a popular opinion. How do you feel about catheters? You can't buy them without a prescription. Why? Do we need gatekeepers for that shit? If people need them they ought to be able to just fucking buy them, why do we have to get a doctor and a pharmacy involved rather than just order the fucking things from Amazon


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A lot of that organized crime is the government, they make more money railroading people for having a joint as do their generous buddies running private for profit prisons than they would taxing it like tobacco. The CIA assassinated a journalist for exposing introduction of crack to the inner cities. They know full well what they’re doing and manipulate public opinion to suit them. They’re not dumb people, they’re terrible people.


NextCandy

**Fear of Mexican immigrants led to the criminalization of marijuana.** [Here](https://www.history.com/news/why-the-u-s-made-marijuana-illegal) is a really telling and informative article from the History Channel historically detailing the why weed has been been demonized and criminalized while alcohol consumption has remained extremely socially acceptable.


Chaseus_Clay

Also William Randolph Hurst knowing hemp would hurt his paper.


disposable_account01

Hemp also threatened DuPont, as it is a naturally pest-resistant fiber that could challenge cotton.


tcorp123

Ah, DuPont, the Nestle before Nestle, the Microsoft before Microsoft, etc.


Regular-Human-347329

Also, drugs (especially psychedelics) can lead to an ego death, and greater compassion and understanding for other living creatures. The war on drugs wasn’t just a race war; it was a conservative ideological war on progressive liberalism in general (e.g. hippies, anti-war and anti-imperialism, civil/human/womens/animal rights, etc).


EnJey__

Don't forget the attempts to disarm black protestors in the 60's by making marijuana possession a federal offense.


ThorGBomb

It’s really Wierd to find out the reasons for many of today’s issues is because of bullshit like that some individuals who were lining their pockets started because they wanted to keep lining their pockets. Like abortion. You’d think the original proponents of the issue were some nuns or puritans who feared the massive spree of sex and abortions that people got worried about Nope It was because of three brand new segregated Christian schools who were risking losing their tax exception rate and being forced to desegregate with black and minority students. So to fight that notion they stirred up the religious fruitcakes into a frenzy with a main focal point being saving babies. These people during Reagan’s time (or Nixon) sent dozens of people all over southern America’s to knock on doors and show images like dolls laid on a beach and using the image as evidence of mass abortions by blacks and minorities to the degree dead babies were washing up at beaches miles away… Absurd right ? More absurdly it worked. Not for the three segregated schools they were fortunately forced to de segregated and thus the student application rate dropped and the schools had to shut down. Reagen literally tried to install the religious fruitcake of one of these Christian only whites schools as his head of decision making for if these three schools should be able to keep their tax free status and after much public backlash reagen had a comittee vote instead and they voted to remove the tax free status. Edit sources >In May 1969, a group of African-American parents in Holmes County, Mississippi, sued the Treasury Department to prevent three new whites-only K-12 private academies from securing full tax-exempt status, arguing that their discriminatory policies prevented them from being considered “charitable” institutions. The schools had been founded in the mid-1960s in response to the desegregation of public schools set in motion by the Brown v. Board of Education decision of 1954. In 1969, the first year of desegregation, the number of white students enrolled in public schools in Holmes County dropped from 771 to 28; the following year, that number fell to zero. … For nearly two decades, Weyrich, by his own account, had been trying out different issues, hoping one might pique evangelical interest: pornography, prayer in schools, the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, even abortion. “I was trying to get these people interested in those issues and I utterly failed,” Weyrich recalled at a conference in 1990. The Green v. Connally ruling provided a necessary first step: It captured the attention of evangelical leaders , especially as the IRS began sending questionnaires to church-related “segregation academies,” including Falwell’s own Lynchburg Christian School, inquiring about their racial policies. Falwell was furious. “In some states,” he famously complained, “It’s easier to open a massage parlor than a Christian school.” https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133 Edit: “You’d think the original proponents of the issue were some nuns or puritans” meaning the original people against the civil rights movements of making abortions legal and Supreme Court Justice vote to make abortions legal. Ffs if you require me to spell out every fucking contextual thing so to appease your frothing ass over misunderstanding the at no I’m not talking about the 18th century abortion laws I’m talking about modern politics and modern history. If you want to argue with someone so much go play cod. don’t waste my time having to read your bullshit arguments . Thank you have a nice day!


Specimen_7

Also fun that fats were demonized and sugar ignored thanks to the sugar industry and lobbyists. Now we have horrendous diabetes, terrible trade deals that emphasize this miseducation, and a general public who still isn’t properly informed. Meanwhile large companies like coke are pushing their diabetic inducing drinks on other poor, uneducated countries.


ThorGBomb

Large corporations literally started scientific journals and pushed for profit news as real science. Like the whole drink eight glasses every day or all the commercials in the 90s to drink Gatorade and quench your thirst and all that shit repeated everywhere. Yeah started by soda companies so people would buy more drinks and push for Gatorade in sports.


Ok-Helicopter-8819

it’s why i don’t use “marijuana” when referring to cannabis. marijuana is just the Spanish word for cannabis. using that word instead of the English word to describe the plant helped cement the connection to the Mexican communities in the public’s eye.


NextCandy

Absolutely. “Throughout the 19th century, news reports and medical journal articles almost always use the plant's formal name, cannabis. Numerous accounts say that "marijuana" came into popular usage in the U.S. in the early 20th century because anti-cannabis factions wanted to underscore the drug's "Mexican-ness." It was meant to play off of anti-immigrant sentiments.” (NPR)


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CoffeeGreekYogurt

> one outside the US uses it either Except, you know, Mexico. And probably a few other countries in Central and South America.


NUMTOTlife

What if you said it in spain lmao I’d hope they’d understand it


Cuberage

Prolly weed 99/100 times and Marijuana otherwise.


kurayami_akira

People in spain speak spanish, why would they said weed? Weed in spanish is marihuana (the h is not pronounced as a "j"), well, i'm from Argentina, not Spain, but i assume they also call it marihuana.


Sergiotor9

You are full of it. People in Spain call it marihuana or maría. I've never heard anyone call it weed.


BackIsBroke-Sthpinal

TIL. Never thought of that. I just always thought people saying marijuana sounded very uncomfortable with it.


vadeforas

Coming up, only narcs, parents, and teachers called it marijuana.


dzrtguy

I believe they were called squares back in the day, daddy-oh.


boofthatcraphomie

I thought those people called it dope


weaponized-intel

Cannabis is the taxonomical and scientifically accurate name.


DippySwitch

I just call it weed. People who insist on saying “cannabis” in a casual conversation sound super cringe and pretentious. You don’t call shrimp “caridea”.


Ardent_Gunner

Fear of European immigrants led to the criminalization of alcohol. It always seems to be fear of immigrants that leads to things being made illegal


SeeYaOnTheRift

I thought it was so Nixon could lock up hippies for felonies and then they wouldn’t be able to vote.


comtedeRochambeau

> You want to know what this was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. —[former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman](https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/)


Nickabod_

There were a lot of motives for making cannabis illegal, you’re correct about this one. The fact that the English word ‘cannabis’ was quickly phased out in the 20th century is also pretty telling about how they went about it.


AqUaNtUmEpIc

This is a much more complex issue and the university of Chicago disputes the history channel here https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/SHAD3201006


WorkTomorrow

We tried criminalizing alcohol and it was a disaster. They even passed and ratified an amendment to the Constitution and then needed to ratify another to undo that amendment. What did we learn from this experience? Apparently nothing.


Moniamoney

Alcohol is only legal because making it illegal didn’t work. I have no doubt in the next decade weed will follow suit (as it already is in many states). Although don’t think it will change drug tests or societal acceptance.


CinnabonCheesecake

Eh, societal acceptance has really grown in the past 20 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes more acceptable than cigarettes soon. Though not for black or poor people, of course. Heaven forbid someone get a minimum-wage job or Medicaid if they’ve ever tried weed. /s


TendingTheirGarden

It already is more acceptable than cigarettes among Americans in their 30s or younger.


MikeyTMNTGOAT

Smoked cigarettes and weed for about 15 years, cigarettes are repellant to a lot of people, weed, it's more like an indicator of "why I'm laughing at stupid shit and slow to respond". Even emergency room docs have told me: ditch the booze/tobacco (which I did on the latter) stick with the weed


GonzoRouge

As a heavy smoker, cigarettes are a filthy fucking habit and I can't congratulate people enough for never trying or stopping for good. Sure, I look cool...when I don't cough up my lungs and spit unidentifiable gunk, spend $20 every day for something that's gonna give me cancer as a best case scenario or when I don't smell like a lifetime of bad choices. If I was to be addicted to something as bad and as expensive as this, I would've done heroin because it's just as addictive and I at least get a trip out of it. But damn, I look so cool for those 5 minutes in my leather jacket outside a bar, definitely a good trade /s


TheFlightlessPenguin

it becomes such a psychological crutch that makes you so oblivious to reality it convinces you it’s actually helping something.


GonzoRouge

It started off as an excuse to get away from people, like a break from reality. Then I started smoking alone at home, pretty hard to justify that.


FiliusIcari

In my limited experience this is the case, both in my family(who are all in red states) and here in a pretty liberal state


nachtbrand

And in most of Canada.


illumadnati

definitely. as a 22 year old, asking people “do you smoke?” almost certainly is met with “smoke what?” since no one my age really smoke cigs. there’s definitely nicotine vaping, but I think that the school system pretty heavily detailing the dangers of cigarettes worked


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Brownie_McBrown_Face

Kinda weird you judged him for using a tobacco vape. If it was tobacco he could have been trying to quit and judging him for that is a dick move


TheImportedBanana

Besides, it's not tobacco. It's nicotine suspended in propelyne glycol and vegetable glycerin. Nicotine itself is arguably much safer than the many chemicals also found in cigarettes. Super addictive still, though.


series-hybrid

to be fair, when you vape nicotine, you get nicotine. When you burn tobacco and inhale the smoke, you do get nicotine, but you also get a dozen cancer-causing chemicals...


RedditUser8920

*over 200 carcinogenic chemicals


XxTreeFiddyxX

Dont worry the generation of Reefer Madness will be gone soon. Time cleanses all things, especially thr narrow mindedness of prior generations. May we pass into the night unnoticed, and may tomorrow's children forgive us.


mabellerose

A few years back I was at a corporate holiday party and people were smoking joints in the central courtyard. All the C-suite folks were right there, but it was no big deal. Then somebody lit up a cigarette and you would’ve thought he pulled out his dick from all the shocked yelling. This was a tech company in California, but I think it’ll be the future for everyone sooner than you think.


Idiot_Savant_Tinker

>Heaven forbid someone get a minimum-wage job or Medicaid if they’ve ever tried weed. /s If a minimum wage job is trying to drug test you, it's time to go. Every fast food place in the country is desperate for employees and none of them are drug testing.


_AlphaChad69

You must be older, cuz everyone i've met, even older people think cigarettes are disgusting, but most people my age smoke weed, weed is nowhere as bad as cigarretes, especially since now you can just get high from pens which have a light sweet smell, not that dank smell, and are simple to use


Here4Memes4MyWife

Many employers are removing weed from the drug tests. Too many people are using in legal states to find “puritans” to hire.


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Moniamoney

First off congrats on your soberity!!! And I completely get it like every real entry level job I’ve worked for has drug tested, mid-level landed a job at one of the largest micro chip companies and haven’t had one sense. I don’t do drugs outside of alcohol but I imagine if I did they wouldn’t give a crap if it didn’t effect my work


HelloYesNaive

Shrooms next after that and then probably other psychedelics


DMCinDet

decriminalization of all drugs and better public awareness and education. Not DARE. More like look at what happens when you use heroin ( insert graphic). Be honest with kids, too much alcohol, this graphic.


Khirsah01

Ah, DARE... What a useless program. I remember being in elementary school in the 90s and parents and teachers hated when it was DARE week since it ALWAYS led to the same shit for the two weeks after: Kids under 11 constantly joking about doing drugs while bringing in tons of pixy stix and other powdered candy and the nurse's office getting swamped cause kids mostly between 2nd and 5th grades were snorting or huffing the candy and screaming when it burned their nose or lungs, and teachers freaking out when a kid is dripping crazy color snot everywhere mid-class. DARE backfired so hard by making drugs sound cool or magical to us kids. Even in middle school it was still a huge joke that drugs must be amazing since the adults were so against it (just like adults against teens learning of or having safe sex since it was Texas). If DARE hadn't played up everything to the point of fearmongering, just like abstinence based "sex ed," while also giving out tons of false information easily refuted and undermining their believability even further, maybe kids wouldn't have treated it as such a joke or believed street drugs were cool. Anyone else have their school devolve into craziness after DARE came through?


pitmule

Also Texas, here. The DARE cop giving us the weed talk lit a roach then put it out so we knew what weed smelled like so we’d “stay away from it”. Oh thanks! Now I know to follow my nose to the awesome weed I want to smoke!!!


DMCinDet

not sure if a result of, but it did nothing to mitigate any drug use.


Catoctin_Dave

Not only was DARE not effective in reducing drug use, a study at Indiana University discovered an *increase* in hallucinogenic drug use among high school students who had been exposed to the program when compared to those who hadn't. https://www.livescience.com/33795-effective.html


Doomed

Weed is illegal because it's an easy way to put minorities in jail and create a permanent underclass.


Romas_chicken

“ have no doubt in the next decade weed will follow suit (as it already is in many states).” That’s kind of thing. I live somewhere where it’s largely decriminalized. It can be easy to forget that it’s still illegal federally


pullman45

In Canada where it’s been federally legal since 2018 or something there are dispensaries everywhere no matter how liberal or conservative someplace is. Almost everyone I know smokes at least once in a while. Drinking age 18 and driving at 16 in alberta too


[deleted]

Best part of legalization in Canada: controlled dose edibles. Knowing exactly what you're gonna get and being in control of the experience is priceless.


Colin4ds

All it did was give the gov money and give people safer options I dont see how anyone can spin this negatively


MomToCats

Except in Texas. The republicans will fight it to the death and we just don’t have enough opposition yet to vote them out.


Idiot_Savant_Tinker

>don’t think it will change drug tests or societal acceptance. I'm... not sure you're right. Drug tests in many manufacturing/warehousing jobs are starting to go away, for a couple of reasons: The big one is "If we don't hire the guys/gals who failed the drug test, we aren't getting any employees." The other reason that I've personally dealt with, is "If we fire this welder because he pissed hot, how long until we find another one as competent?" Skilled workers like welders, cnc operators, machinists, etc, are very hard to replace, so you have to be really sure you want to fire them. I watched a metal fabrication shop go out of business because they had the bright idea to drug test everyone on all shifts, and they were pretty much left with myself, and my supervisor. As for social acceptance, I think that's closer than we realize. I can, right now, in my very red state, go sit on my front porch and burn a J and the only person who will care is my wife, if I forget to smoke it with her. It's legal medically here, but the regulations are so loose it's basically recreational.


TheRatKingZadrun

You are missing the point. Making it illegal didn't work because it has 4,000+ years of societal acceptance. It's not legal because making it illegal didn't work, it's legal because of the reason making it illegal didn't work.


ripmumbo

Eh who gives a fuck what those old ass religious people think. They'll be dead soon anyways


UnmitigatedSarcasm

Drug tests are already going away


MarkHirsbrunner

I can't think of any illegal drug where only 5 tines the usual recreational dose has a really good chance of killing you. Maybe opiates?


SixBuffalo

Alcohol is a terrible drug. It kills 10's of thousands every year, causes debilitating mental and physical illnesses, tears families apart, ends jobs and careers and kills innocent people on the roads. It's absolutely awful.


CeeArthur

The mental and physical toll alcohol consumption can take, especially when it you build up a tolerance and become more dependent is nearly unmatched. For several years I was progressively getting worse but didn't realize it because I was functional, albeit usually hungover for the first half of my day. I successfully quit for a year after doing a medical detox, but relapsed afterwards. From then on I was a yoyo, I'd get several months in, short relapse, repeat...until it was more like one week drunk, 2 days off, then basically drunk all day. There is something called the kindling effect where the more times you go through withdrawal the worse it will get (and it can kill you). When I became really resolved to quit for good I had been on a really bad binge. I decided to try to taper from nearly 40oz a day to drinking beer. I came off too fast and had a seizure which really messed me up. I spent 11 days in the hospital, couldn't speak properly (though things like cognition, thinking, memory, etc were fine) and my motor skills and balance were pretty much non existent. I'm still recovering from it.


Funkit

Kindling is a big thing with benzos too. I did a medical detox 14 months ago to get off the negligently high Klonopin dose my psych had me on (3-3.5mg a day, she actually got fired because of it) and I will never look back. That drug ruined my life, even though it was a legitimate prescription for both my epilepsy and panic disorder. Lost my ten year career, 8 year girlfriend who took my dog, my apartment, my health, my hope for the future, a DUI, got banned from two stores for who knows what I did, realized in the morning I shoplifted something from who knows where or spent two grand I didn’t have on impulse buys, just blacked out constantly, I developed mental illness… Those drugs should be prescribed for like a week max for someone who’s grieving or has a massive presentation or surgery coming up that they are freaking out about. It should never be taken daily.


gruyereparty

Omg are you me?? I had/have a debiliTating benzo addiction (klonopin) that was prescribed due to a legitimate anxiety disorder. I’m also prescribed something ridiculous like 90 pills per month (3 mg per day). I was already an alcoholic but trying to quit, very very quickly switched to benzos when I realized it had the same effect but didn’t make me sick or do as dumb things. WRONG. what have I done in the past 2 years of addiction? Totaled 2 cars, have a very serious pending legal case - felony DUI due to serious bodily injury, I hurt myself very badly in a car accident from benzo misuse and hit another car - ruined my marriage, lost a few relationships after that, latest ex bf committed suicide in jail (also an addict), quit very good job due my addiction then unemployed for 6 months, ruined friendships permanently, blacked out, been involuntarily committed 2x, 2 rehabs, suicide attempt, etc (no particular order). I’m an alcoholic and know benzo and alcohol withdrawal very intimately. They are NO fucking joke and kindling is real. It is very very scary on benzos. Last withdrawal I had I didn’t sleep for 8 days and had serious hallucinations. Benzos are unbelievably dangerous and addictive. I’ve even had a brief stint with heroin and opiates and would take opiate withdrawal any day over benzos. Not to mention the memory loss. I have serious cognitive loss, which I know does come back (I’ve had 9 months of sobriety before) but it never gets to 100%. Fuck those pills.


Joseff_Ballin

Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you are doing better now and wishing you all the best.


ProlificWanker

Benzos are straight up Satan. Even the biggest drug users will admit how awful benzos can be


ERPedwithurmom

In other countries there are very tight restrictions for how long you put someone on benzos. IIRC in Britain they won't give you more than 2 weeks. That's how it should be. My aunt went through the same. She was either having withdrawals while taking her prescription or having a paradoxical reaction. Every time she went in to complain of the anxiety, insomnia, shakiness, etc her doctor would just increase her dose. Around the same dose you were on is when her husband started googling to see why she was so sick. She had to fight with her doctor to taper off instead of cold turkeying which is just fucking laughably absurd. That guy really did not give a shit if she died. Over all it took about 2 years for her to taper off. She was still really sick for another 3 years after the taper ended but she's mostly recovered now. All in all a good 15 years of her life just about ruined, because her doctor was a fuckwit and figured he would just perpetually increase her klonopin dose for the rest of her days. Another one of my friends is a felon and has permanently injured himself because of things he did while abusing xanax. No memory of any of it. Benzos are insane. Unfortunately they're also extremely effective drugs or else I'd say to banish them entirely. They're one of the few kinds of drugs that I would never use after seeing what it can do to people. Fun fact... because benzos and alcohol work on the brain in similar ways, one can be used to taper off the other.


CeeArthur

Not really a fun fact in the sense that if you're that far gone that you need benzos to stop the withdrawal symptoms you're probably not having a good time, but I know what you mean. I had to be medically detoxed for several days using liquid valium. It burns like hell when they inject it, but after a few doses you start to associate it with 'thank God the shaking, anxiety, and sweating will go away for a bit, I might be able to even sleep for an hour today'.


earned_potential

Unrelated kinda, I had a few years sober and relapsed when I had Covid. I can't understand how my alcoholic ass thought that somehow it was a good idea to pick up a drink when I had Covid. Ended up in the hospital from the drinking itself (went on a huge two week bender), with Covid on top of it. Recouping from that situation was absolute hell.


Cuberage

When I got bad I was in a fog all morning and then once I got my first drink early lunch/late lunch I suddenly felt "normal" again. You don't even realize when it's becoming a serious problem. I mean yeah, you know you're drinking too much, but how severe the addiction has become doesn't even register. "It's just a cocktail with lunch, it's 3pm, what's the big deal?" Well the big deal is you can't make it to dinner without booze to calm your nerves. Then it gets undeniable or you try and take a break and it really hits. What's worse, at least for me, is that any problems alcohol was causing I didn't connect to my drinking, so I kept going back to my favorite "solution" drinking. Worst vicious cycle that really fucked me up for 5 years. Don't miss drinking one bit.


HLPiFlushdMePooKnife

In recovery for alcohol as well wish you the best


ItsNotWhatY0uThink

Don't forget cancer, alcohol causes cancer and they've known forever [https://www.cancervic.org.au/preventing-cancer/limit-alcohol/how-alcohol-causes-cancer#:\~:text=Alcohol%20is%20a%20known%20carcinogen,people's%20risk%20of%20stomach%20cancer](https://www.cancervic.org.au/preventing-cancer/limit-alcohol/how-alcohol-causes-cancer#:~:text=Alcohol%20is%20a%20known%20carcinogen,people's%20risk%20of%20stomach%20cancer). Alcohol has been terrible for me for a decade ( ruined my marriage , lost two jobs because I was drunk on the job and told everyone to go f themselves ) , I'm thankful everyday I'm free of it.


Bones_17

Hey congrats on your progress. That's awesome.


izzo34

Proud of you, keep it up. 16 years sober off meth. 9 years sober off alcohol. 1 week sober off opiates. We got this my friend. Stay strong.


Ozymander

Alcohol was also bad for me. Got a DUI/crash (only my car was harmed, thank god), said very stupid shit all over social media, made advances on women far too strongly...nearing harassment if I'll be honest. I quit drinking for good roughly six years ago.


CantHitachiSpot

Huh I didn't know it was carcinogenic. Why isn't it prop 65'd? Alcohol can cause cancer by: ethanol (pure alcohol) and its toxic by-product acetaldehyde damaging cells by binding with DNA and causing cells to replicate incorrectly influencing hormone levels, which can modify how cells grow and divide direct tissue damage, increasing the absorption of other carcinogens.


SleepWouldBeNice

This would be a lot different if we didn’t have a 10,000 year history with alcohol.


19fiftythree

To my understanding, access to a virtually unlimited supply is a pretty new concept. Prior to the past few generations, wasn’t alcohol more ritualistic in nature? Edit: to add context, I’d say more than 95% of that 10,000 year history didn’t have the ability to walk to a 7 Eleven and buy enough booze to kill me and all my friends


Cessnaporsche01

When you say "past few" do you mean, like, the last 100 or the last 1000? Maybe the latter. And I suppose it depends on location, but alcohol has been widely produced and widely sold for most of recorded history.


droans

Beer became popular because it helped keep water potable. The beer they would drink was lower in alcohol and would be given to kids even. It was a lot safer than just drinking water from the streams.


Mr_2010

Alcohol has been in a pretty abundant supply since ancient civilizations. There were laws in Ancient Babylon about watering down alcohol and the builders of the Giza pyramids were paid partly in beer.


Im_Currently_Pooping

Alcohol is incredibly easy to make.


Indication_Easy

Certain alcohol was more ritualistic. But it was generally because the process of making alcohol killed bacteria making it safer to drink than many water sources. Albeit it was usually weaker, but they still used it to party too.


QuantumS0up

I'm on day 2 of detox(about 45 hours in) after reaching the point of drinking a pint or more a day of hard liquor for several months and finally feeling desperate enough to get out. I feel like shit, but I still feel better than I ever did while drinking, even during the times before I abused alcohol. I'm only 22, and it's a bit horrifying how many of my peers are in the same position or worse. Fuck alcohol.


b0nk3r00

You’re doing amazing. I don’t know you, but I’m really proud of you, hang in there.


_Magnolia_Fan_

Weed isn't perfect, though.


Alternative_Belt_389

Alcoholism is normalized to a disgusting degree.


Different-Tutor-1311

Alcohol is a terrible drug. It’s also extremely easy to make. If you could make MDMA from water, sugar and yeast the government would most likely choose to regulate it instead of prohibiting it as well. Edit: I didn’t mean to imply a connection between the dangers of Ethanol and MDMA, just the feasibility of an enforced prohibition.


droans

Tbf Cannabis is called Weed because it is a weed. If you don't care about the potency, it grows quickly and with little effort.


Colin4ds

Prohibition didnt exactly work out either We should probably have an all or nothing approach and im leaning towards all Think about all the shit we've learned about cannabis in the last 10 years due to its decriminalization and destigmatization Taking power away from dealers and those wishing to mooch off and harm others with addictions People with no way to save themselves because they will be busted for possesion Put in prision To get further taken advantage of by criminals because of their condition Im not saying sell crack on every street corner But dont criminalize it. Legalize it Allow it to be purchased safely and sign addicts up for programs that help them by slowly giving smaller and smaller amounts Give them therapy and help rehabilitate them


jazzzflannel

I also reflect on things in a whole new light, get some proper perspective on shit.


ihatemygirlfriends

Especially with acid I feel like I’m a whole new person having breakthroughs with who I am as a person


Iucrative

Does anyone else just get lit and do normal ass shit? Like for me being high or drunk is just doing everything I normally do but in a better mood.


Brontozaurus

That's honestly been my entire experience with drugs. Like I've been at board game nights where we took a break to get a bit high and then we went right back to gaming.


MoTheSoleSeller

yeah me too i just get high then clean my room or some shit, airpods in listening to music. just the classic stuff. i love it


stone_dead_forever45

No man youre missing the point. Weed is the key to spiritual enlightenment and the only thing that is perfection in this universe. It is the embodiment of god /s Seriously tho i like weed, i like getting high. I also do enjoy baking or cooking high. I also like doing that sober. If there is something that I only do when Im under any influence, then i consider it a problem. Not saying it makes anyone a bad person. Personally, I should not rely on a substance for confidence, creativity, enthusiasm, mood control(unless you are on bipolar meds or something), or even energy(yes im talkin about coffee even). I notice a lot of "laid back" potheads are not actually laid back, its jist the weed pushing their problems away. Same as a happy drunk, they aint happy sober.


SnooPeppers1145

Yeah it makes me get off my ass and do things. Such as working out, cleaning, cooking, etc.


Douche_Kayak

I like to believe that they came to the conclusion that mixing dipping sauces would make them a better friend


smilefacefrownface

Sharing is caring.


electrocuter

this is love


mch_in_htx

I’m like that when I’m drunk. When I’m high j get paranoid and start thinking everyone hates me


Mama_Odi

I too, like mixing all the sauces


DRHealy

I mix all the sodas at the fountain to get that nectar of the gods


rasputinrasputin

you mean the suicide soda?


OrAManNamedAndy

[relevant](https://youtu.be/QxB14oMSYXg)


raistlin65

How many wives and children have described themselves as being victims of abuse by alcoholic men? By stoner dudes? I rest my case.


implodemode

I was always appalled when the cops would burn mountains of weed they got in drug busts. I thought they should make brownies and offer it to the guys in prison to make them mellow.


drblah1

That would probably piss off the approximately 40,000 Americans in there for weed crimes and offenses


CinnabonCheesecake

Obviously we need to let them all out of prison, expunge their records and force any company that profited from their labor while they were in prison to hire them at a livable wage when they get out. Then give all the prisoners pot brownies.


drblah1

Ok, now I'm on board


ldobehardcore

Only 40k? That seems low. Isn't the overall prison population something like a million? ETA: in [2018 2,123,100 people were incarcerated in the US](https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpus1718.pdf) Roughly 20% of those incarcerated have drug related offenses. The war on drugs is nothing more than an engine that burns lives for money for the prison industrial complex.


raistlin65

That's a great idea. They should give out free weed in prison. I bet incidences of violence would go down.


MrPickles84

They should have them grow it, and sell the leftovers to me.


raistlin65

Yeah, but they probably keep the best buds for themselves, and sell you the shake. lol


HowWouldYouKillMe

and I will enjoy that since I appreciate gifts.


Chaseus_Clay

Abuse? Probably not much, but neglect and general shirking of responsibilities? Plenty of that I'm sure. Also, ALL drugs should be legalized.


imooforyou

Yeah, witnessed this too. As a person who smokes and sees no issue with it as a recreation to unwind - I've had some pals who genuinely needed to stop. Although with weed, it seemed more character based than drug based. While the weed sure as hell did not help them become motivated or responsible - they're general character as a person wasn't far off from the flake before weed.


Chaseus_Clay

Right, similar to your friends I learned this from personal experience. If you're already somebody who may be a bit "lazy," weed may not be the best fit for you. I can take painkillers and go to work, do chores and just be a more pleasant version of myself for those 5-10 days of the month, weed makes me recede into myself and do nothing but contemplate the myriad of actions I could and should be doing.


CanadianODST2

Legalized? Debatable. But decriminalized? 100%


Megneous

> Also, ALL drugs should be legalized. Decriminalized, yes. Legalized? No. There are many drugs that are straight up dangerous and limiting their use as much as possible is a straight up win for society. You don't want to have people buying heroin and meth at a corner store. However, decriminalizing all drugs and treating drug addiction as a healthcare issue rather than a crime would do the world wonders.


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Question: what would decriminalization of drugs like heroin achieve? Under which circumstances should you be able to purchase it? Because if addicts can't get their fix, because the pharmacies don't supply it to them, then there will still be black market demand and organized crime. Possession, production and sale would probably still be illegal, no? I don't quite understand the benefit of decriminalization without legalization. Of course I agree that opioids and especially meth need to be kept far away from people. It would be best if we could eradicate them forever.


degenererad

A stoner dude i know stabbed a guy to death then chopped the head of the corpse with an axe. Just sayin... crazy people will do crazy shit


Ultimegede

My gf's best friend is literally in an abusive relationship with a 'stoner'


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Bribase

I have to say that I've known some people who had delusions, paranoia and anger management issues from smoking weed. Likely not caused by them, but almost certainly exacerbated and triggered by having a serious mental dependency on being stoned all the time. I doubt I'm alone on this one. Any kind of psychoactive substance can do bad things for your mental health if you're prone to dependency.


Switch_Alone

They 100% exist though, abuse is caused by being an unhinged asshole, not the drug you use.


Cunts_and_more

When I first read it I thought it was ‘mix all the dipping sauces so they’re better friends.’ Which is also good.


SoWokeIdontSleep

All I wanna do when I get high is watch movies and eat because everything tastes delicious on weed 😋


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I get highly paranoid and anxious thinking I have a heart attack. Weed can go fuck itself as far as I’m concerned. Alcohol relaxes me and I drink in moderation/seldom.


SoWokeIdontSleep

I know what you mean, my brother feels the same about it, it's not for everyone, perfectly understandable.


coke125

They tried to abolish alcohol. It didn’t end well… you’d think the government would learn from that


NoNameSA

I don’t plan to consume either but I think it’s hypocritical to ban one and not the other


Itisnotaboomah

Yeah weird… my mother literally died of alcohol abuse and addiction, and cannabis has been able to convince me to keep staying alive while coping with debilitating chronic pain for 12 years, so 🤷🏻‍♀️ you tell me.


PhoenixKnight777

Alcohol is only legal because of what happened when the tried to ban it.


Stickler_4_Res

I’d be pissed if I had to live my life by standards brought about by self righteous nutcases in power influenced by a religion I don’t follow..


PhoenixKnight777

Agreed. Oh, wait...


adamwritesit

The people influenced by it didn't follow the religion either, much like they dont today when they just make shit up and hold up a book that doesnt say that.


IUseKeyboardOnXbox

Agreed


Stickler_4_Res

Them with weed is me with alcohol. I think it should be less about demonizing either substance and more attention brought to the dumbasses who never learned moderation or self control when they find out how a substance affects them. I’ve been and seen many people blackout drunk and not once think about driving a vehicle, I’ve also seen dudes baked out of their mind who decide to drive. Hold the people accountable, not the substance.


Parabolaz

I'm glad you said something. Chronic weed use caused severe anxiety and panic attacks in myself, I became a sweaty paranoid mess. It's all gone away now I've abstained for a while, and will have a glass of red of a night time. I've excelled more at the gym, my eating habits are better etc. The weed good everything else bad crowd are frustrating.


GuitarGodsDestiny420

I mean, chronic (over) use of pretty much anything isn't good...this seems like common sense. The tricky thing with cannabis is everyone's threshold is different because of how individual endocannabinoid systems works... some people's systems are more sensitive than others.


kingubreaku

Exactly! These weed "experts" treat alcohol the same as others treat weed. Alcohol helps me chill out and relax, and in my 10 + years of drinking I've never once thought about abusing my partners, I've never once thought about driving drunk hell I'll wait a couple of hours till I sober up completely before even touching my keys. A violent person will be violent alcohol or not.


reinventingmyself19

That's because back in the day, alcohol was used by white people and weed was used by African Americans. You don't expect your government to inconvenience white people do you?


TAU_equals_2PI

Except they did. Prohibition. It lasted **thirteen years** in the United States.


NextCandy

Yeah they definitely weren’t happy about it when the white weed smoking hippies (and attending higher education institutions) joined in the civil rights and counter culture movement and started questioning the status quo


CinnabonCheesecake

Also the anti-war protests. It’s hard to keep up support for a war when people remember it’s happening. Fortunate that we’ve stayed out of any super long foreign quagmires started on false pretenses since then. /s


NextCandy

100%. The substance was inherently associated with leftist resistance (from anti-war, anti-capitalism sentiments and pro civil rights initiatives— inclusive of anti-communism red scare fear mongering.) “President Richard Nixon began America's war on drugs to criminalize black people and hippies, according to a newly revealed 1994 quote from Nixon domestic policy adviser John Ehrlichman. The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," Ehrlichman told journalist Dan Baum in 1994. "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities." [Source](https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/)


yiffing_for_jesus

That quote is highly questionable. The author supposedly collected it in 1996 iirc, but sat on it for 20 years and only published it once Ehrlichman died


reinventingmyself19

It's amazing how many problems white people can solve if we put our minds to it.


adderallanalyst

Back in the day? Alcohol has been used by humans for thousands of years across cultures.


TheMauveHand

No, don't you see, black people don't drink, they only smoke weed! Jesus Christ, Reddit...


TerranUnity

TBF, they tried to ban alcohol with the Prohibition amendment, it just failed horribly so they rescinded it


PowermanBastion

Uh....are you just going to ignore prohibition? lol


Frictionweldedballs

While I upvote and agree with you, let us not forget about the alcohol prohibition and the damage it caused. Or depending on your perspective, and the positive changes it brought regarding American perception of alcohol addiction and it’s role in society.


rawrP

You know alcohol exists outside of the United States too right?


MCJon6

>you don't expect the government to inconvenience white people do you? You say this as if they didn't ban it, remember the prohibition? It didn't work


Turbopepper

Right, it's not like there ever was an era were alchool was prohibited, you know a prohibition era


Stoned_Ape_420

Alcohol is considerably worse than cannabis. Don’t know how it’s even a debate nowadays.


Pain_Proof

Based on your username, I think your biased lol


bloodflart

it's crazy how a small amount of people fuck up such a huge number of others


pawn_guy

I have a drinking problem, but I was able to easily stop drinking for over two weeks when I had a stash of edibles. Once they ran out I started drinking again. Weed is still illegal where I live, but I can buy hard liquor at the gas station down the street from 6:00am to 1:00am 7 days a week. I felt 10x better those couple weeks I was only eating edibles. Stupid fucking laws.


Ok_Advantage_68

Its by design. Just like taxation and investments.


Idivkemqoxurceke

Older generations are vehemently against weed, but they’re also the ones who don’t bat an eye at driving home from the bar. Like, we have established dedicated businesses where their sole purpose is to sell you as much alcohol as they can on premises, and they have parking lots.


bigdgamer

pretending that weed can’t cause/exacerbate mentally issues is the dumbest, most dangerous shit


Tr83y

How about everything legal?


hoffmad08

If only our president hadn't worked so hard to make and keep them illegal for decades while in congress and then forgot about the campaign lie to change anything once he won!


dogbulter

All of the politicians are keeping it illegal. This is not limited to any administration.


Parabolaz

This is not quite right on the mark, let's not bleat around the bush and mitigate the effects weed can have. Although it's not straight up impairing like alcohol, it causes a range of other effects. Seratonin is not delivered when eating, or completing hobbies/tasks unless you're high. Your endocannabinoid system requires the input of weed to enjoy these things and you'll find you need that hit before cleaning, eating, and watching movies. You'll guise it as "it just makes it better" when in reality you need it. You also lose REM sleep cycles, if you go to bed high you'll wake up more tired than an alcoholic, even if you sleep for longer. This can impair you at work, decision making, and is straight up dangerous if you decide to drive. Weeds great, but stop trying to make people believe it only makes you eat more nuggets.


tloontloon

It also causes excessive pruning in neural connections which affects brain development.


bttrflyr

You can thank Big Sauce for that


happyhappy_-_joyjoy

Alcohol, "legal drugs" (and tobacco) companies are owned by some very rich people, they lobby heavily against restriction. Maybe certain "illegal" drug producers should start doing the same.


Fatal1ty67

Big truth


save_the_redditor

Could not agree with this more!


deborah834

I don't smoke weed because it gives me anxiety, but I'll be damned if hemp doesn't make the best fucking shampoo ever.


SolidEcho7597

They tried to ban alcohol, but it didn’t work out so well


Ok_Flamingo_9454

Technically it is legal. Just have to live in the right state lol.


Character_Draft_6088

Yeah the libertarian in me says fucking legalize everything anyways… but for the record, people massively overdo the whole “pot isnt bad” thing. Its not, not bad. You can get too much of it and really trip out. Which i know, definitely not the same as dying from alcohol poisoning… but look, this is the generation that takes mental health very seriously and then decides to fucking turn the other way about the issue of using mind altering drugs that can cause panic attacks or worse? Dont tell me pot doesnt fuck you up, it can and it has to me. Never had a panic attack in my life, had too much pot… went to the hospital over it. I literally thought i was going to die… it was horrible. And I dont care if i was going to be fine or not… let me be clear… *the experience of it was horrible, one of the worst in my life*. So stop playing it off like all it does is make you binge food. It affects different people differently and there are definitely side effects of it that can be pretty damn detrimental to your health and wellbeing.