By - Madrid1902Knight
I've always been baffled by 'SKX' modders calling their watches SKX's, when ther are literally ZERO SKX parts in it. None. The case is aftermarket (and different), so is the dial, the handset and the movement is an NH36. You can't even call it a Seiko at that point.
And then there are fuckers that put a Seiko dial (usually not even an original dial) on their Invicta pro diver- "it's a Seiko now" sure buddy sure
True modders put an Invicta dial into a Seiko case 😎
One day the prophet will rise who takes a brand new Rolex and mods it with a pagini design dial. His bits will transcend all known levels of chuffery
Is that a challenge?
They're the real giga chads
The dial is probably too big to the case tho lol
It's like a double whammy sometimes you get Pagani Design style Submariner copies but then they have a Seiko logo on the dial and it's sold as a "Seiko mod". You're simultaneously wearing a fake Rolex and fake Seiko.
And a fake pagani
My bits are so chuffed right now
By that logic every fake becomes an original.
"if it's not a 1:1 copy it's not a fake"
Says while wearing a red "Rolex submariner" in 38mm
It's only a fake if it claims to be an original (branding and such), no? Otherwise it's just a clone.
I mean I can understand tinkering and assembling your own watch with parts you've chosen but it's just not going to be a Seiko at the end. Nothing wrong with that either.
\*takes a small hit\*
So what you're saying is...
\*holds up finger, takes a massive toke and coughs up a lung\*
.... That we have the paradox of Theseus' Seiko?
Man. That's heavy.
It will be a watch made by me using parts made by X
The same can be said of cooking, gardening, pottery, painting, or restoring an old car. Hobbies are by nature impractical.
At least be cool and get a baller titanium or DLC coated aftermarket SKX case
Not a rollie case
LOL, Random Rob recently made a video of a Seiko build, it is supposed to be an SKX but it literally doesn’t have a single SKX part. Bronze “SKX” case, monster dial and chapter ring, embossed ceramic bezel (yatchmaster-esque), NH35 and San Martin strap.
Does this count for the ones who start with an SKX007, too?
If you sell your modded watch with zero original parts, it's indistinguishable from a watch that has been built custom from scratch. So no.
Understood! Thanks for the input
I just refer to them as "SKX platform" watches as this point, I feel like that gets the point across without misrepresenting what it really is.
My CasiOak is triggered.
I don't know why people want to have "Seiko" on their random aftermarket dial. I can *kinda* understand it if it's an aftermarket dial which has similar styling to a real Seiko design, but people have Nautilus/RO/Submariner/SMP dials with Seiko on it. Makes no sense, and honestly it's kinda disrespectful to Seiko.
Because if they put Rolex or Patek on it people would complain. But everyone is ok with fake Seikos apparently.
I don't really understand why they do it. Is it to mimic the Seiko and be some type of self-made watch person? Or are they really that cheap that they can't afford one of the best entry level market watches?
I think it's because people don't like the look of a dial without a logo at 12, and they don't want to see the brand/person who actually made it on it. Then they justify in their heads that "it's a Seiko" because it has an NH35 in it, so after all of that they want it to say Seiko. Now it's just commonly accepted in the Seiko mod community.
>I don't really understand why they do it. Is it to mimic the Seiko and be some type of self-made watch person? Or are they really that cheap that they can't afford one of the best entry level market watches?
In general mods cost more to build than Seiko 5s do to buy, so it's not a cost thing.
As I said in another post, Seiko has a better logo than most of the aftermarket dial makers.
Modding is mostly about building something unique and custom to you. Hardly anyone is doing 1:1 clones of existing reference numbers
Have you guys encountered seiko_lab on Instagram? All of his "Seiko" mods are so gaudy and ridiculous it should count as frankenwatch
Instead of a Mumbai special its now a Tokyo special.
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The line between frankenwatch and modded seiko are blurred
Is there some sort of stigma against modding these Seikos? I'm interested in getting a modded watch and I'm new to watch collecting as a whole. Any advice in regards to this?
There is an stigma against fake watches. A lot of modders will take generic chinese parts, slap a Seiko dial, take pretty pictures, post them to Instagram, call it a “Seiko build” and charge $500 for it.
Ah, I see, that was what was confusing me in the meme. I thought that the meme was saying that modifying most of an original Seiko would no longer make it count as one.
Depends. I modded my SKX007 to what it should be from the Seiko factory, solid bracelet, ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal. Modding on a GMT bezel and Mercedes hands to make it look like a GMT-II is just sad.
Hmm, interesting, what if you were modifying it just for the sake of having unique colour combinations and a unique dial? I can see where mimicry of a different watch could be rather taboo.
You should be able to do what you want, just be thoughtful about how you promote it.
If you were hot rodding an old car you're going to add different aftermarket parts to give it a certain look or performance. In doing that, you're not going to claim it as all-original, of course. But you might still call it a Deuce Coupe, or whatever the original vehicle was.
On the other hand, if you bought a "kit car" Deuce Coupe in a crate from a third-party manufacturer and built a car to your liking from the ground up, there is nothing wrong with that. But how you present it would be different. If you said nothing about it being a kit car up front and were showing it at a car show, you would be excoriated by people when they found out later. Not because it's a bad car, but because you presented as if it was an original, when it is actually a replica.
This is how something goes from being a replica to a fake. The same exact watch can be either, it's all about how you present it.
If you are up front and honest about the origins and parts of a watch, it's a replica or homage.
If you are not and try to pass it off as something with original parts, it's a FAKE, because you were trying to pretend it's something that it isn't.
Build the watch you want. It's all about honesty.
Ah, I see. Thank you. So, if I were to state to someone who was interested in any hypothetical watch I modified I'd have to state that it is a mod and that you cannot get it stock in that design?
You don't *have* to do anything, but it's good form.
You never know, the other person may be more impressed that you work on watches than if you wear an actual Rolex or Seiko.
Fair enough. Follow up question, I see these hands that look like they come from a Rolex are they problematic or are they fine to use in a modified watch, so long as you state that they aren't original?
You'll get a variety of opinions on that. To me, it's like putting Chevy rims on a Ford truck. But really, it's your truck and you can do what you want.
Fair enough. Thank you for all of your responses, they were very informative and helpful.
Sure, of course. As long as you're modding it with respect to what it is. Same as car modding, I can respect some hard work that has been put in a car (if done tasteful), but making a Toyota MR2 look like a Ferrari F355 is just sad.
Noted. So long as you aren't trying to mimic another watch then all is good, cool. Thank you.
You should go to r/SeikoMods for that
Look at the second one, the dial says seiko but it has nothing to do with them, an islander is more Seiko than it
Ah, thank you.
idk but everytime I see someone with a modded skx they just look tacky as shit 💀
Fair enough, I like a lot of them but some of the colours are not to my taste.
In my opinion, if you're modding your own watch to suit your own taste, there's nothing wrong with it. The issue is the surge of "vintage" Seiko mods with the fake Comex dial and $150 worth of AliExpress parts being sold on watchExchange for $400-500.
If you want to get a modded watch I'd highly recommend either just checking out Islander watches or doing it yourself, it's not too bad to do.
Fair enough, I can see how that would be annoying. Oh also, what are these 'Islander' watches you speak of? I see them on the website and they look like Seiko recolours, is this the point of them or do they let you fully customise them?
The Islander watches are made by the guy who runs Island Watch Company, they're basically watches made on the SKX platform that come standard with a lot of the mods that people tend to do to stock SKX watches. Great value for the money if you want standard upgrades like NH36 movement, sapphire crystal etc but don't feel like doing the legwork.
Ok, I see how that could be desirable. I think I will stick to trying to mod a watch myself as I can then add upgrades as I go along rather than sinking in more money initially on parts which I'm not so sure I'll care about. Thank you for your recommendations.
Yeah don’t buy a shitty mod, just buy a proper watch.
Our lord and savior made a video listing abd recommending them, but bruh they're fake
Ah yes the same guy who is against homages because "yOu'Re oNlY FoOliNG yOuRsElF!!"
Said while wearing his Tudor submariner
Of course they are. But the guvernuh needs to pay the bills.
100% agree, said that shit on the r/seikomods sub and they all had a tantrum
One of the top posts of all time on that sub is a vintage submariner build and even the dial is fake. Sometimes they even skip putting a real dial in.
I hate reps. Seriously I hate reps. Did I mention I hate reps?
But a modded seiko it's a unique piece you make for yourself. One of a kind. You don't flex it, you don't pretend it's something more.
You just love it because it's your creation.
Both wrong with that. Not a Seiko though.
I agree. If you alter it it's no longer offically a seiko but seiko parts and movements are easy to work with and cheap to mod.
I would love to create my own brand less mod if I could.
70% of seikomods is just rolex mods. Lol the seiko explorer with "submariner" on the dial slays me
I speak as an avid modder of Seikos and Vostoks, and even I can't stand this shit. If that's what you want then buy a Chinese clomage and call it a day.
Personal opinion, if the final design had no influence from Seiko in any way, then you don't get to just slap Seiko on the dial and call it a mod.
I use the Seiko logo on my mods sometimes for 2 reasons:
The first and primary reason, OEM Seiko dials are seriously a cut above everything else. Quality, lume alignment etc. AM 'Seiko' dials are generally shit. I cannot tell you how much money I wasted learning this lesson.
The second and more subjective reason, is that sometimes the mods I design are so heavily influenced by Seiko's design language that I am uncomfortable putting another logo there.
Consider the Islander brand - a lot of people have reacted negatively to the logo Mark uses, and I think in part it's because it's placed on something that looks so much like a Seiko that it makes you mentally uncomfortable.
I would never sell a mod like this as a genuine Seiko though, in face I rarely sell mods at all. Most of it is for my personal enjoyment.
rj/ Boo Hoo I mod real seikos.
Do u post your modded vostok? Haven't seen one modded
Yes I do! Several available on my IG clockworkassembly.
Some on reddit:
putting a Seiko dial on a skeletonized Audemars won’t make it a “Seiko” 🤡
In most cases, it's better than an original
/uj I keep reporting these shitty fakes on WatchEx and the mods don’t take any action.
I'm not morally opposed to these as the owner of a Chinese submariner case with fake Seiko comex dial installed a and nh35 I built for $60.
What I am opposed to is when they get sold for $500
Yes that's the Key the jack holes think they are worth 5 times the parts price because they touched it with their magic hands. I have a 7002 I saved from eBay and threw in a Fake dial. To me the watch was already ruined and I turned it into a Fake and a homage at the same time to maximize butt hurt lol. But I like it so that's the important part.
"fake" implies deception. You can't fake a watch that doesn't exist in the first place.
tbh i just want a 62mas that isnt $1000+ with sapphire crystal and a ceramic/sapphire bezel insert and if i can diy that into reality then idgaf what its called lmao
And I want a submariner that cost less than 100€
Lol so much salt in this thread.
Show of hands, how many of you own an skx you paid too much for?
Maybe I'll do Seiko a favor and put one of their dials on my Islander. May lead people to think the skx is higher quality than it actually is.
I always wondering...those Seiko Comex dials are actually produced by Seiko right? As in, they are fake?
Yeah, as fake as they get. Especially with the addition of comex on the dial.
ItS aN HoMaGe!
I don’t understand why people are making watches using non-Seiko parts with even unbranded Seiko movement and in their mind it is okey to say “yea this is Seiko (name of the build). For me this is just wrong. I have nothing against custom watches but call it what it is “a custom watch” not Seiko.
I wonder is it legal to make and sell custom watches with Seiko branding on it?
idk man i just want to have a cheap alternative to the Subby that isn't cost around $10k lol
Does it matter? I don't think most modders are doing what they do to fake watches. It's a hobby.
Seiko has a better logo than most of the aftermarket dial makers and getting custom or blank dials made is an exercise in futility.
Furthermore, is it really a fake when the fake is functionally superior to the original? Seiko 5s are pieces of shit
No it doesn’t really matter. As long as you like it and you’re not trying to deceive others (I.e. to make profit) then you’re fine. With any hobby you’re gonna have a bunch of people with different opinions. All that matters is what *you* like.
We need to start calling them Fake-Os or FKXs
Bit if it has an seiko movement then its an seiko
If I had a pad printing machine I'd put my own branding on the dial, but until then almost all the dials with text on them are Seiko branded or have ugly logos