Custodes with allied SoB?
By - Jean_V_Dubois
Fair warning, any Soup based army idea is likely to end up getting hit in the shins with the nerf bat before the end of the edition based on how all the new codexes are being written. They are giving, it seems, every army bonus rules for going solo meaning it's entirely possible once the Custodes book comes out that you will never want to soup and lose whatever their bonus is (For instance if they shift the +1 to their invulns to a "pure" effect no amount of soup will be able to compare with that effect).
That said though, sisters are actually really good with Custodes. It depends a lot on what you're trying to do, but one thing Custodes really struggle with that Sisters are GREAT at is long ranged Anti-Tank. You can easily take a Custodes patrol with whatever goodies you want and then add in a small Sisters detachment just to take MM Retributors. Since you're not playing mono-sisters you can easily take them in the "Run and still shoot" Order (don't remember which one it was) making them almost as good as they used to be in Sisters. They also, like you said, have good opportunities for dedicated action units or even just large hordes to sit on objectives.
>"Run and still shoot" Order (don't remember which one it was)
The big thing you're giving up on the SoB end is acts of faith (miracle dice.)
That hurts for multi-meltas, but Argent Shroud does also get 1 hit or wound re-roll per unit.
If you are on a budget I really wouldn't invest in soup in the present environment, GW seems very clearly on a crusade to make souping unattractive in most cases by giving every army a purity bonus. SoB for example lose miracle dice when souping, which is basically the reason to play them.
So I would wait until you know what the Custodes purity bonus is going to be, as it may be very clear that it is just an absolute no-go to soup, or, conversely, they may get away with a relatively mild soup penalty that means that options come back onto the table. But right now it's just a total gamble.
We could be years away from getting new custodes rules, so while it's true we probably won't want to soup after our codex update there is potentially a lot of time to enjoy a nice Imperial stew before that happens.
Sure, hence why I predicated my comment on "if you are on a budget." If buying stuff that you may well not be realistically able to use a year from now isn't a big concern, go for it, by all means.
I don't know just how limited the poster's budget is, but we know it's limited enough that they straight-up stated they can't afford a whole army. In that context, I think it's hard to recommend investing limited hobby dollars into soup, given how the wind seems to be blowing lately.
Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn’t thought of it. Lore wise, Custodes were never meant to be an army and really should have allies, but since when do rules follow lore? I’d settle for having SoS be a troops choice in the new codex. Anyway, I guess I’ll invest my hobby dollars into my slowly growing Harlequins collection.
There's actually a lot of instances, both current and in the past, of rules following lore.
You’re right I spoke too quickly. And really, SoS weren’t meant to be an army either. I’m no lore expert; is there anything linking them other than the burning of Prospero?
I ran a pretty successful sisters/custodes army pre codex. Retributors, celestine and a big blob of zephyrim were the big sisters contributors. I normally ran 2x4 multi melta rets and storm of retribution for unparalleled fire-power.
That list is now dead in the water, but I still think that they're three units worth considering. Depends what you feel you need to support your Golden bois
Have you considered just running some sisters of silence? Having a couple of extra 60 point prosecutor units running around would probably help with board control and secondaries.
This way it doesn't cost you cp for extra detachments and you are more likely to be future proofed against anti soup rulings.
I have considered it, and I have plenty of sisters from my HH army, but they’re an elites choice without obsec. That means I either have to take them in a battalion and pay a heavy troops/HQ tax or take them in a separate detachment and lose the CP.
Hopefully SoS become a troop choice in the future Custodes codex.
I had been thinking about it pre the new sisters codex. I havnt had a chance to look at it but I heard sisters loose stuff now if the entire army is not sisters.
They previously lost Sacred Rites. Now they lose miracle dice.
But with custodes, the fact that they don't seem to lose sacred rites anymore is super good. SoS are mediocre, but a patrol of SoB gives you backline obsec or a 1/3 chance at auto-denying a power
I wasn't speaking to the quality of the matchup, just what they lost.
Yeah, I was hoping to kinda prod you into giving your take on rites. The fact that as far as I can tell, they don't lose rites anymore, seems weird to me. I love it, if true, but I keep feeling like it has to be wrong
I honestly don't have the codex in front of me because GW decided to take their time shipping. The custom order traits look they could really boost specialized detachments, though. One gives multi-meltas the damage boost at 18", for example.
Ah, that sounds more detrimental
Sisters lose a lot of their tricks if they're souped with their new codex, losing their access to Miracle Dice and their Sacred Rites I think, but it's a little ambiguous on that. Either way, Sisters are still pretty good, just depends how much f point wise you want to go in on it. The basic Battle Sister Squad is really solid troops, and have access to good buffing strats to make them fightier and tougher. If you want them for objectives, getting a Dogmata in there as well is good, as that'll let you shoot and do actions for the BSS. For HQs, while Celestine and Morvenn Val are real good, they're also real exspensive, and Morvenn might make it so she has to be your warlord, I'm not sure what Custodes have that might override that. So i'd go with a basic Cannoness and kit her out with either the invuln boosting warlord trait or just make her a beatstick with some of the Blessings
Other than the basic core squads, depends what you want. If you want ranged options, while Retributors got slapped, they're still pretty good. Dominions are also really good if you have a rhino for them to go in, since they can scout move in it and taxi other stuff with it.
If you want something fightier, a blob of repentia is hard to go wrong with, or if you want true robustness, the new Celestian Sacresants look pretty good. Once again, depends how deep you want to go!
Think about some guardsmen since they are cheaper points wise