U.S. Approval of Interracial Marriage at New High of 94%
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4% to 94% in 65 years. Wow, over a 20x increase in approval
Just imagine how high it will be in another 65 years
2000% if trends continue!
Public opinion supports interracial polygamy with up to 20 people
So long as each one is a different race
Taste the rainbow
I’m down, sign me up
If you’re already down there then there’s no need to sign up. Open up.
We're gonna need more races.
New law is passed in 2069, requiring all couples to merge into marriage "pods" of at least 20. The punishment for not obeying is immediate death.
This is sort of the premise of the film "The Lobster"
Everyone must be in a relationship, if you aren't you have 45 days to find one or you get transformed into an animal
That sounds so silly that I want to watch it
People are too bold saying "it was a good film, watch it."
I liked the movie, but I can safely say *most* people would hate it. It's fucking weird and uncomfortable. It's *almost* a comedy but not really.
Probably not a good choice for family movie night, is what I'm saying.
Edit: the dystopian sci-fi aspect is only the *barest* dressing on the story which is narrow in scope, subdued in action, and could be a stage play. So definitely *don't* go in expecting sci-fi spectacle or even the implied body horror of people being transformed into animals. It's not on screen.
*Do* go in expecting lots of deadpan social awkwardness and a protagonist who is almost beyond depressed, to the point of near-complete apathy. Their main motivation being a vague preference that they *not* be transformed into an animal.
I respect the honesty.
"Amadeus is an excellent film!"
"Dude you know i have an 8 year old and my gf sho just want to watch something fun"
Then I suggest Young Einstein. It's like Amadeus on crack.
That is true. It is a bleak and weird film. I really enjoyed it
Yeah I didn't mention how bleak it is. Silly isn't the right word, though it is absurd. Calling it dark and twisted might imply that it's kind of *fun,* and it is not that. Bleak is the perfect word. There's some dark comedy in it but it's more dark than comedy. Sad and absurd.
can I invest in this now? it will be really profitable
Over 65 years the population is almost completely refreshed with new people. It would be interesting to see what percentage of individuals' opinions changed within their lifetime. With certain issues it seems we can only progress through generational die off.
Some issues certainly have more entrenched attitudes than others, but people also do definitely change their minds about some of these things (even if they themselves are not always entirely aware of the gradual softening in mindset).
If you look at LGBTQ issues, the change in acceptance over the past few decades has happened waaaay faster than generational "die off." I'm only in my 30s and can remember a very different country when I was a kid.
I'm only mid thirties, but my views have changed slightly on the LGBT topic in my lifetime. I never opposed the relationships, but when I was a fresh adult I remember having hesitation about topics like adoption and guardianship. I had concerns about how it would impact the child. There was very little quality research at the time that was accessible to me.
In the past 25 years, researchers have drastically improved both the quantity and quality of studies focused on that issue and found it wasn't detrimental to the child. Turns out those fears were not valid. I've evolved on that issue as more information was available on the topic.
People tend to make decisions with the best information available. Sometimes, we just need more and/or better quality information to inform our opinion and to evolve on issues. Good research into legitimate LGBTQ issues isn't particularly old, so I guess it doesn't surprise me that a lot of people have changed their outlook (sometimes significantly) on these issues on the past 30 years.
I'm 50, when I tell them how un progressive we as a society were they don't believe me.
Edit: sorry my brain gets ahead of my fingers, "they" refers to my sons.
I remember my Grandma telling me about being friends with this black lady she worked with. We live in a very progressive area, but back in the 50s and 60s it was still seen as taboo for black and white people to even be friends. She invited her over for dinner and drinks and the lady was like "oh, I can't do that. What would your neighbor's think seeing a black person in your house?". Pretty fucked up when you think about it.
My mom told me some fucked up stories about being a kid in Louisiana in the 60s.
Her (white) grandpa’s only friend was a black man. They hung out almost every day, and I think they worked together too... But when they rode around town his friend had to ride in the bed of the truck like a dog. When he came over for dinner, the two men ate on the porch, and then my mom’s granny would boil the silverware that the black friend used.
Their next door neighbors were middle eastern (Syrian I think). My mom’s mom had dark curly hair and a more olive skin complexion than her sisters. My mom’s grandpa would constantly tell her that her mom wasn’t really his daughter and she wasn’t really his granddaughter- he said his wife must’ve cheated on him with the neighbor because her mom came out looking like a “dago” (racial slur for Italian and Spanish people, basically saying you’re Mediterranean, and therefore probably mixed with middle eastern or North African people and not “pure” white).
Edit: their not they’re
The supreme court case that ended criminalization of homosexuality was only 18 years ago. Hard to believe, but it's important to keep this stuff in mind.
Obama had an “evolving position” on gay marriage at the beginning of his term and that was acceptable for a Democrat at the time.
We had iPhones before we had gay marriage support by the Democratic Party.
Acceptable? It was expected. Being a black man and supporting gays would have been too much for America at the time
They don't? Did they just... not learn history in school?
Depending on who “they” are and where they go/went to school, possibly not really. Some states in the US teach some very distorted views of the civil rights movement, slavery, or a whole host of issues that make the US look bad. I forget the exact example I’ve seen but I believe the most common history text book used in Texas schools almost implied that slavery was voluntary, or at least tried to tell a “the good and the bad of it” narrative. Wouldn’t surprise me if they completely left out the Loving decision and the struggle that lead to it.
I learned that MLK Jr and Rosa Parks ended racism, that many slaves continued to work for their masters after abolition because "they were treated so well," and that separate but equal wasn't that bad.
Jesus. May I ask when and where you went to school?
It helps explain why people act confused by BLM if they were taught their whole lives things like this and never discovered differently.
A medium sized town in Georgia. The south east United States is full of shit like this.
I thought this sounded familiar, I also grew up in GA. Heard all the same stuff about racism being pretty much over while the dude who filibustered the civil rights act was still in the Senate. I did have some decent teachers especially in lit, but history was a mixed bag of revisionary politics.
One of the biggest con jobs in american education was putting the civil rights movement in the history section instead of contemporary issues
Same I'm in Texas. I'm also interracially married and people still worry about my kids being biracial in 2021. Texas can be wild.
For the context of today’s political issues, I think it’s important to remember in part how we got here. It certainly wasn’t through trying to “see both sides” of this “issue” and worry about the feelings of people who think interracial marriage is bad. We called them bigots, because they were bigots. We told them to GTFO out with their shitty views because they were shitty. We didn’t buy their bullshit about things changing too quickly or upsetting any sort of American ideal or supposed social harmony, because it was bullshit.
Good thing to keep in mind today.
Edit: Because a lot of triggered people are in the mood to clutch pearls and wag fingers, I'm going to point out the blindingly obvious which is that I am not simply referring to literally verbally shouting at people. Don't act dumb and pretend that you actually think you can reduce the above to that.
It's also important to remember that we need to elect younger politicians. While the culture has progressed forward we keep electing politicians who still hold these unconscious views.
*Madison Cawthorn has entered the chat*
You know, my brother and I were just talking about him last night. Namely we were talking about how all the younger right wing politicians seem to be absolutely insane compared to their counterparts or older colleagues.
Younger politicians tend to be more radical in ways. Republicans are openly accepting radicalists, while democrats are fighting against their own even when they're not that radical (see AOC and others pushing The Green New Deal, and the Democrats response to that).
They died, that's how we get here.
.... Ruby bridges is only like 60. The white people who took their children out if her school and called her every racial slur are most likely still alive. Hell Caroline Bryant is still alive. This didn't happen long ago enough for them all to be dead.
That’s shocking that it was less than half in the 1990s.
What really surprised me was the big 16 point jump between 1993 and 1997. Like what even happened?
Will Smith happened...
I know your comment is likely meant partially as a joke but I think there's a real measure of truth to it. I still think the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is one of the most important shows of the past few decades. Everyone at my school watched it. We were middle class white kids in rural England that lived in a village. We basically never even saw black people. Watching the Fresh Prince in those formative years however, meant that the idea of a black man being a successful high power lawyer and an all around great guy was completely normal to us.
And some people try to say representation doesn't matter. Its benefits those who are represented not only on a personal level, but how people of their demographic are viewed in society.
Even more so in less diverse countries whose population doesn't have the benefit of being able to actually meet different people and only form their view on what they're presented with in media.
If you mean Uncle Phil, he was actually a judge.
His power as a lawyer was high enough that he evolved into a judge
Was it mega evolved or digivolved?
He was actually a lawyer until season three.
Isn’t judgery just a subset of lawyering?
It's possible for some judges in some US states to be not be lawyers. It's even technically possible for federal judges, although this is practically unheard of in practice.
However Uncle Phil was a lawyer during the show first, before becoming a judge. This is pretty normal.
Yes, to be a judge you have to have been a lawyer, but a judge is generally held in higher regard than a lawyer and it was his actual job title in the show.
Edit: He was a California Superior Court Judge if we want to get pendatic.
Many places in the US, judges are elected positions and do not require a law degree.
This is America
This is not always the case, unfortunately. Some US states allow non-lawyer judges
What an interesting and scary TIL. Here is a link with more info for those who were curious, like me.
He wasn’t a judge at the start of the show he was an attorney
Aren't judges typically qualified as lawyers?
Phil starts as a lawyer and gets a judgeship in one of the early seasons.
I was in New Zealand at the time and I do remember the show playing a lot there.
I remember an episode where one of...I believe Aunt Vivian's family members brings her fiance whom hasn't met the family yet. Turns out to be a white guy and the older generation are shocked and a bit disapproving while the younger generation, especially Will, are like "what's the fucking problem?"
That episode with Will's aunt marrying a white man and his mother initially refusing to go to the wedding because of it cuts deep. Shit's too real, man.
More of a Family Matters man myself. What a great show
My parents (Germans in Germany who hadn't had really that much contact with black people) have stated multiple times that Bill cosby was their main influence in showing them positive aspects of black culture. (although of course even if you ignore who bill Cosby has turned out to be, the cosby show never really showed a true average black family, more a whitewashed version it seems to me)
He took us straight to the Wild Wild West
ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
Mad man lost his damned mind in the West
Will Smith entertaining=White people: he's nice=social change
Some people are just that likeable where they can change the course of the history.
I'm old enough to remember when guys like Will Smith (say, Harry Belafonte or Sidney Poitier) were deemed to be 'a credit to their race' by screwed up, well-meaning white people.
Gay people being shown in cinema and television shows had a huge effect of normalizing being gay and pushed gay rights so much further so much faster than had ever been achieved before.
People just had to see gay people as just that, people. I grew up in the rural South, in a white county, and I straight up never met a black person until I went to university. Same for a Muslim person. Same for an openly gay person. It's insane to think that something like that is even possible, but it is, and if you never meet a certain kind of person, or you never see them displayed truthfully in television, they become mythologized. They became all the nonsensical shit you hear about them from your bigoted neighbors.
This is why it's so important to have representation in media and to have racially mixed school systems. It's incredibly important for people to mix with and get to know people who are different from themselves.
Gay people in the 70s raided tv stations. Staged sit ins and protests. Did letter writing campaigns. Occupied broadcast centers until their voices were heard.
They didnt ask nicely. They demanded. Remember, mass movement and direct action are the only way of doing it
Racism thrives through isolation. Any decent person who has been exposed to other cultures and has opportunities to make friends has a significantly lower chance of being racist or racially insensitive. There are exceptions. Notice I said "decent"person.
Michael Jackson happened also. As weird as that is, dude was a heart throb for a lot of girls back in the 70's and early 80's. And just kept getting more popular with his music.
Also, as Micheal Jackson got weirder people became nostalgic for the original black version.
Don’t forget about our lord and savior Oprah
Remember when all older white women were really into Taye Diggs?
I remember when I’m a 34 year old white woman who’s into Taye Diggs right now. Have you seen him??
Who is not- he is hot as hell
What happened in 1993? Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson
Oprah too. Hell, she’s only 67.
The fucking bees were convincing.
Honestly the dankest meme of all time
I was born, thus I take full credit.
I’m wondering if television influenced anything. Fresh prince, family matters, martin, sister sister.
The Cosby Show was huge in the 80s through the early 90s. It was about a successful upper-middle class family that happened to be black (as opposed to a black upper middle class family)
OFC this was way before we found out what a piece of shit Cosby was
He rapes, but he saves. And he saved more than he raped.
But he still raped
I grew up with Sesame Street and Reading Rainbow and a bit later Star Trek The Next Generation so I never even considered color or race or ethnicity when I was young. Didn't even occur to me my best friend was half Mexican until high school. Really pained me after Obama got elected and it seemed like everyone around me lost their damn minds 'cause I started to hear horrible racist trash coming from all over the place. I thought we had the racism thing solved in the '90s :-(
My experience with brexit. Up until 21 everyone seemed fine, anti immigrant rhetoric was high but ukip were a laughing stock.
Then brexit hit the newspaper and I watched half the country rip off their their masks and go full racist. It's like the country I lived in was a lie.
Yeah I think it was amongst the most painful parts. I always knew we had this simmering "Up the Empire!" Attitude under the surface. But seeing it suddenly boil into this frothing rage about "the old glory days" was deeply unsettling.
Entertainment in general not just TV. Movies with Eddie Murphy or Denzel, music from Prince and the rise of rap/hiphop all through the 80s made those becoming adults in the 90s more likely to question past racial attitudes. But even more important than black cast TV shows, was likely that it became somewhat normal to have black newscasters - the people trusted to inform every household - unsung heroes - everyone's mom watching Oprah too. Black QBs in football became normalized - the most watched sport in America; I recall in the 80s there was a prevailing view that you could never win a Super Bowl with a black QB - until the Redskins did it. What happened in the 80s shaped those who became adults in the 90s. In the 80s and 90s, it wasn't protests or movements, or great orators denouncing racism; it was everyday things like a black person being the talking head giving you the news of the day around dinner time.
The protests of the 50s,60s and 70s clearly set the stage for the 80s and 90s. I'm not trying to discount what happened earlier - it was very important. I just think now especially, most don't really care for protests and are annoyed by them, there are no great orators today like MLK or Malcolm X, the ones today aren't preaching to anyone but the choir anyways. I think if anything protests today harden people's racial biases instead of influencing change.
I’m not a scientist or anything so I can’t answer with data or whatever, but during that time the internet took off and I started chatting with a lot of people online who I never saw in person. Friend groups started shifting away from who lived next to me and toward who had things in common with me. And I was exposed to a lot outside my small Midwestern town. So that’s my guess.
Well, it’s an interesting thought.
I would say cable TV may have had a similar impact in the '80s and '90s. Only wealthier people had cable in the '70s, and it was mostly urban/suburban, and with limited variety. As the '80s moved into the '90s, cable expanded to the point where, just before the internet, most households had cable, with a great variety of programming that may have expanded horizons.
To the people saying old people died, I’m not convinced. The gallup article shows that from 1991 to 2002, the biggest jump in approval was 18-29 (+22), then 30-49 (+19), and lastly, the old people, 50+ (+17). I’m not a mathematician or statistician so I may be saying something stupid, but it seems to me that what drove the shift in the 90s was because of younger people.
I was being glib, tho there's something to generational turnover. Just remember that a 50yr old in 2002, was 39 in 1991. So if they're not measuring the same cohort (same group of people to track if they've changed their mind), then imo, your stats do show a generational biases:
1. younger people are more acceptable of interracial couples
2. if you extend that survey to today, there will be less dramatic jumps bc the 50yr olds f 2020 were the 30's of 2002. Eventually there will be not many differences regardless of age range. All the differences are dead.
> To the people saying old people died, I’m not convinced.
No, they definitely died
>but it seems to me that what drove the shift in the 90s was **because** of younger people.
Yeah, you **definitely** don't have enough information here to say that. All you have enough information to say is that younger people saw the largest change of any group. You definitely cannot say that this caused changes in kther groups. There is no evidence to suggest that. It could be the case that younger people are more willing to change their minds, and I'd think this is closer to the truth, but again, we need more information in order to make such determinations.
Grown kids who grew up going to integrated schools started getting polled more, and older people who grew up with "separate but equal" as the norm started dying off.
Old people died
I found this interesting article on interracial couples’ experiences that was published in 1991.
That's a great article and a lot of those experiences still ring true unfortunately. Not saying things haven't improved, I know they have, but there are still sadly plenty of stories just like those today.
I still remember being in a small class in college, Women's and African American Studies got roped into Antrho so half my anthro classes were focused on those, and we were talking about the issues of an interracial couple in the book we just read. Two of the girls in out class said they still felt weird glances when they were walking on campus with their white boyfriends and people would make comments to or about them. And I never really thought about that until then. I knew there was stigma for white women and black men dating, but I had never considered the reverse of the situation because I thought it wouldn't be as big a deal for people. Then I started thinking about my friends who were Asian and Hispanic that dated and what it might be like for them.
This all went down back in 2010 at Georgia Southern. I grew up knowing racism and stigma was around, I just didn't know how pervasive it still was in the more subtle ways.
Yeah, I can only speak from my own experiences, but my wife (black) and I (white) have even gotten stares and comments while living in NYC. I can only imagine what it's like down South.
Some black principle in Texas was punished recently over being married to a white woman because people in the community said they were promoting "CRT" and photos of the couple shouldn't be shown.
we came far but those 6% who still oppose it are still obnoxious.
[the story back when it first happened Sept 1st](https://www.ajc.com/news/black-principal-in-texas-suspended-after-controversy-over-photo-with-white-wife/U72HYDIVONDCDGFUZ3OHQG5OQQ/)
>Whitfield, who is the first Black principal at Colleyville Heritage High School, told the Post that he has been “placed on paid administrative leave
>“I was not given any clear reasoning behind the decision and was not given a timetable regarding further steps,” Whitfield said in a Facebook message, according to the Post. “I was simply told that it was in the best interest of the district.”
>After the July 26 school board meeting where Whitfield was accused, at least one parent reached out to the district to complain about the Facebook photo of Whitfield embracing his wife, Kerrie, on their 10-year wedding anniversary.
>A Grapevine-Colleyville school district official reportedly sent an email to Whitfield, calling the photo inappropriate and ordered him to take it down so that it would not “stir up stuff.”
>“They said, ‘Could you take it down? Can you take this picture down? Can you hide it?’ and I asked, ‘Why? What’s wrong with the picture?’ It was, ‘Hey, I am trying to avoid any conflict,’” Whitfield said, according to KXAS. “I wish I had the conviction to say, ‘No, I’m not going to take it down — that’s a picture of me and my wife kissing on the beach. There’s no reason for me to take this photo down,’” he told the station.
Wow, that's terrible. Sounds like some of the students and parents are standing up for him so hopefully the school board reinstated him, but the fact that it even happened is absurd.
>“I look at the picture, and I look at the words above it, and it says, ‘Is this the Dr. Whitfield we want leading our schools?’ I showed it to my wife, who immediately begins to well up with tears,” Whitfield told KXAS.
I'd say, "unbelievable," but this sadly is very believable.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who still haven't moved past the 70s and will continue to be bigoted morons until the days they die. The best we can hope for is their children realize what they're parents are saying and doing is wrong and do not embrace and support that behavior
Every time I see CRT, I think "cathode ray tube"
I'm white and my wife is from Asia. We get more sideways glances from Asians than anyone else in the US. And when we've been to China, there have been some downright hostile looks and comments. For a while, about a decade ago, common internet slang in China was to refer to white guys as 'cavemen.' I had some guy call me that, I believe, not thinking that I would understand him.
Is it really? In 1990, the median age in the United States of America was 33 years old. That means half the country was born three years after Brown v. Board of Education. Also, bear in mind these kinds of polls ask questions of **ADULTS**, so the sample set is going to skew *much* older.
Less than half approved, and 66% of white people stated they would actively oppose a relative marrying a black person.
Well the 80's and 90's had a lot more racial diversity in film and television. The 60's and 70's broke ground with shows like Good Times and The Jeffersons. By the early 90's I would say 1/3 of major sitcoms on tv I saw were racially diverse or primarily black. Family Matters, Hanging with Mr. Cooper, Fresh Prince, Different World, Kenan and Kel, Sister Sister, Steve Harvey Show, Smart Guy, Moesha, Cousin Skeeter, Gullah Gullah Island, Cosby reruns, and Sinbad.
Plus we had had 30 years of integration of schools and neighborhoods starting to take real effect. Professional sports and music no longer saw African Americans as token or oddity. Now you have people like me and \~40/under who have never known a world outside of that. And we have more role models of interracial relationships in the spotlight, entertainment, politics, and in our communities. Genetic diversity is a pretty solid bonus to all this.
And *Sesame Street*.
It's hard to overstate how much of an impact there was in seeing a world where kids of all kinds did stuff together. In 1970, few such places existed in America. But if you grow up expecting that there should be, by 1990, when people just getting into their 20s had known nothing else, you start wanting what you imagined to become real.
Of course that also led to an entire generation of adults wanting to live together in cities, driving up the cost of urban life, but no social revolution is perfect...
Probably 25yrs ago my now wife and I were told to leave a store in Silva, NC because we were holding hands. She is Asian and I am white. It’s not the only time this has happened, either.
As a mixed-race kid that grew up in the late 90s and early 00s, it really isn't that shocking TBH. Lots of racists out there.
No it’s not. MTV wasn’t even playing music videos from Black artists, the decade prior. It was controversial that they started airing Michael Jackson videos.
It’s frustrating that the number was so low back then, but not surprising.
The 90s were a pretty bigoted time if we're being honest. I vividly remember homophobic slurs just being a part of common, everyday speech.
I remember visiting relatives in small town central Pennsylvania in the late '90s/early 2000s. My uncles were huge golf fans. They were watching Tiger Woods play, and at the same time they were praising his golf skills, they were making racist jokes about him. They used the 'n-word' instead of any other word to refer to African-Americans, and the 'f-word' for any man who was gay, or deemed effeminate. And yeah, they're dead now. No great loss.
I'm black and married a Chinese woman. There was a STRONG part of her family that wanted nothing to do with me, and threatened to disown her if we got married. There was parts of my family (the older gen) that was somewhat against it too.
But after being together for nearly a decade, everyone has slowly come around. My grandmother, who was initially against it, was the happiest person at my wedding.
My wife's family has since come around as well (so far as I can tell). It took a long long time, but we recently had a family reunion with both families. It was great to see two completely different families and cultures hanging out eating BBQ together and laughing.
I'm glad we made it this far as a society.
Most of the asian women I know were always told by their parents to marry a white person or an Asian if they can’t find any. This also includes Indians sometimes but not as much. This implies that going white should be the first choice.
Interracial marriages where one of the people are dark skinned are way more controversial than just between cultures it seems.
Maybe this is from where you live? I’m Asian and grew up in a very very Asian area (northeast US). I don’t know of any Asians that were encouraged to marry Caucasians over Asians. Not a single one. We were all encouraged to marry other Asians. There was even a hierarchy amongst the Asians as others have noted—the lighter skinned ones on top with the darker skinned ones on bottom. Yes I know this is incredibly racist.
I’m second generation and many of my friends were either first or second. I’m Chinese and was told to marry Chinese first then Koreans then Japanese (my parents hate the Japanese), then Vietnamese/Thai/Filipino etc. then Indians and if all else fails, then you could go for caucasians. Lastly would be blacks, but that called for being disowned. Marrying, hell even dating, Caucasians would start arguments and threats to be disowned… I’m Chinese and dated a Pakistani boy in high school—he was an honor roll student and got into an Ivy League. My parents refused to talk to me except to berate me for the entire month we dated. I later dated a Caucasian boy and the amount of stares and glares I’d get from older Asians was incredibly unsettling.
However, once our group started hitting our 30’s, the parents starting letting up on the strict adherence to (racial purity) and it became more desperate begging to marry anyone and have babies please!! Many of us married outside of our races, but I’d say half stayed within.
But from my limited experience, I knew no one whose family encouraged whites over Asians. Not a single one out of at least 50 families. But again, maybe it was our particular area. Perhaps because we live in a very diverse part of the country?
I’m a minority and the older people in my community strongly believe that I should marry within my ethnicity (or my race, or a white person at the very worst.) Some younger people believe this as well. And I know it’s not limited to my own ethnicity, I’ve heard other minorities say similar things.
We’re either apart of that 6%, or that the survey just happened to select mostly white and/or young, and/or liberal folks to answer.
Edit: I reread the article and it seems to focus only on interracial marriages between black/white people which probably explains the discrepancy as I’m neither of those things.
Yep, was looking for a comment along these lines. They use interracial marriage but then focus specifically on Black/White marriage. Very curious to know what the actual question is.
(All I can think is that my poli sci research methods professor would not have been pleased if I turned in such sloppy work!)
The 94% figure is shocking to me. I live in a pretty progressive area and don't see that.
Yeah there's a lot of folks mentioning that it might be a NIMBY thing where people approve in an abstract sense (or think/claim they do) because they know it's the "right" answer but if it was their kid they wouldn't or they're like "oh I only date people of my own ethnicity, but that's personal preference."
YEP. this. 94% of people do not mind that interracial marriage happens.
it is definitely absolutely not 94% of people who would want to have an interracial marriage. i wanna see the answer to that question tbh.
> Very curious to know what the actual question is.
It's in the gallup figures and only asking about interracial marriage between whites and blacks. The linked article has a ["View complete question responses and trends (PDF download)" with the question wording](https://news.gallup.com/file/poll/354641/210910InterracialMarriage.pdf).
The question is "Do you approve or disapprove of marriage between black people and white people", though the wording between 1968-1978 was "between whites and nonwhites" and in 1958 was "between white and colored people". They also included interesting breakdowns by party ID, gender, race, and age. Showing approval (of marriage between black and white people; note there is also a "Don't know/refused" to answer category):
### party ID
* Democrats: 98%
* Republicans: 89%
* Independents: 95%
* Male: 92%
* Female: 96%
* White: 93%
* Non-white: 96%
* 18-34: 98%
* 35-54: 97%
* 55+: 89%
Yup my cousin (black) married a Filipino man, his parents didn’t come to the wedding because they don’t support their union,
It was sad but they’ve been together since Highscholl so you’d think they’d come around by now.
Media has only portrays interracial relationships as Minority and White, rarely do we see minorities “mixing” with minorities, the default is always “white” + minority
I know there are newer shows coming out trying to show minority relationships of all shades.
I’m wondering if the only reason the approval rating went up so much is because those specifics relationships kept being shown In media
>...people in my community strongly believe that I should marry within my ethnicity (or my race, or a white person...
My parents said this to me. They're like, *"We have come to realize you may not be interested in Mien women or even Asian women. We have accepted this. But, then can you be with a White woman?"* Crazy. Personally, she can be White, Black, whatever. As long as we both love each other and want to be married. But, to my parents at least, it's more a social stigma within the community.
Same with my cousins. One is with a Black man and she's shunned. Another is with a White man and she's okay. Asians don't talk about this shit enough.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this. I have been in an interracial relationship (white/SE Asian) for 7 years and am now married. Honestly, I can't recall a single time it was an issue or someone commented. I don't know if I'm lucky, if maybe people are less likely to comment since I'm the white one in the relationship, or if it really just is that accepted. We live in a relatively progressive area now, but we have lived in conservative areas of the south too. I hope you can get the same open-mindedness if you end up in a similar situation.
My perception on the matter in relationships where the parents are asian and immagrsted, it's those with darker skin they look down upon and disapprove of. I'm curious how the data would look for American born minorities divided between first and second generation. For context I'm black.
1/2 Filipino and Saudi girlfriend 1st generation American her Saudi dad had no issue with me. Mom the Filipino side told her daughter something along the lines that those with darker skin are inferior.
Full Chinese girlfriend, 1st generation American. Her father lived in Hong Kong with dual citizenship and thought I was a pot smoking jazz singer when he first met me. He also didn't approve of us being together.
I dated a Korean girl for a couple years a while back (I’m white). Her parents were fine with me, but she said if I were black or Hispanic, that would not be the case. So yeah, a lot of US immigrants want their kids either to date within their own race or a white person.
An aspect of white privledge explained.
Immigrants are on the come up. Everything they do for their kids is to give them a better shot at life. Unfortunately, associating with whites or whiteness is the fastest way to do that like becomming a doctor. Safest/fastest way to turn around family poverty in one generation.
It really depends on the region. I'm white and my wife is Chinese. We live near a major US city and have never had any comments or issues at home. However, in more rural areas it's completely different. Many dirty looks, people who respond to me when she asks them a question, shitty comments about our "poor mixed daughter" and how hard her life will be, etc. Shit sucks, but racists will be racist
I also think that the problem with these sorts of studies is that a lot of people say they aren’t against x controversial issue but don’t recognize their inherent bias. Like people who say they aren’t racist but also cross the street to get away from black men for example.
I wonder why so many polls that focus on race relations always focus on white and black
Like it looks like this poll specifically asked about marriages between a white person and a black person. I'm curious if the results are different for white people and people of other races. Do Americans view one type of interracial marriage as more acceptable than other types?
Sometimes it honestly feels like America just forgets about Asian, Native American, and Latino people.
Can confirm. In a mixed race marriage.
Concur..mixed race marriage as well. Its been described to me as "anything but Mexican and black" before. I have no idea why (fundamentally) asian cultures come to that conclusion. I'm guessing it's a cultural relic of arranged marriages, but what would I know.
This here. I'm going to say the uncomfortable truth. A lot of Asians and Latinos will be more than welcoming of relations with whites but not with blacks.
Now there are reasons why that is, but thats a deeper convo.
The number is basically 0. Source: me who isn't black or white
Yep! We need to know what the question actually was. Either they had a too-specific question or whoever wrote this article forgot non-Black ethnicities exist.
Who the fuck is still against interracial relationships? The fuck?
Racial supremacist and really old people.
You also need to remember that you'll never get 100% of anyone to agree to anything in a survey. There will always be people who want to be contrarian or won't take the survey seriously.
Shit, if you asked people if eating food was necessary to live, you'd still have 5% of people saying they refuse to ever eat.
You'll also get another 5% claiming their all-liquid diet isn't "food" so technically "food" isn't necessary.
And so on...
Ah yes, the technicalists
“Race is a social construct therefore I cannot support interracial marriage unless you literally revive a Neanderthal.
And even then I’d have to get to know him first.”
You wouldn't fuck a neanderthal?
I'd fuck a neanderthal.
According to my 23AndMe, my ancestors did more often than average. It's the big brows.
As the product of a an interracial marriage I have a lot of doubt about theses statistics. I have definitely dated plenty of people whoms parents didn't want them to have anything to do with me.
I think the reason theses stats are so high is because they asked the question in the most palatable way. Most people don't really care if people they don't know get married, even if they're racist.
I imagine if the question asked how comfortable they would be with their children having an interracial marriage, it'd probably look a lot different.
You are correct, the question was asking about interracial marriages in general, not in their own personal lives or their children.
>There will always be people who want to be contrarian or won't take the survey seriously.
True, but you'll also have people who don't respond honestly in order to avoid judgment. In this case I reckon disapproval of interracial marriages is probably quite a bit higher than 5%
Not just them sadly. You have people with weird issues about it. Like people of a certain ethnicity or race who judge others of their group for dating outside or are mad about the outsider dating one of theirs. That was something I didn't really come across until college when two friends of mine talked about how they got weird looks or comments for dating white guys. People are weird.
What people forget is that racism isn't just a white thing. I'm from an African background and my parents and community as a whole are generally against marrying anybody who's not of the same ethnicity hell some take it further and don't like it if you marry someone outside your country. And it gets even worse. Some think it's weird/wrong to marry someone from a different tribe even if they literally are from the same city in your home country. I think the biggest drive us growing up in a multicultural era or area. You soon see for yourself that all this tribalism is just bs and enate and labels like " he's from this tribe so he's this and that" or " He's from this country so he's this and that" etc. Are just dumb labels and nothing is black and white like that.
It's not uncommon for first generation immigrants either.
I have several Indian friends who have basically said they would be disowned if they married outside their race. Even the ones who's parents are not pushing arranged marriage still are opposed to marrying outside of their race.
I have a (African American) uncle who is 96 i think. Really kind, sweet, funny, a complete joy to be around 99% of the time. But he really, really does not like white people and it's so shocking to hear him talk about it. Even more shocking it's listening to the racist things he's been thru in his childhood and early adulthood leading him to those feelings. He'll talk to you very straightforward and honest about his views. I'm never quite sure what to do with the stories i hear from him.
I think of it the same way my granddad tells me stuff. He grew up in segregated Florida and talks about 3 sides of town and how even as kids they would fight one another if they crossed into someone else's area. I just take it as that was how the world was, and look where we are as a family now.
But for your Uncle, he grew up in even harder times than my granddad being almost 20 years older. By the time he was middle aged Civil Rights was just barely off the ground. By the time my grand was it was the 80's. So what I would do is take those stories the same way we take stories of people who have been at war and hold resentment or anger at their old enemy. We note it, we remember it, and we try to make the world better so the generations after us aren't as bitter and angry.
I'm a white guy in my mid-50s. From about age 18 until he passed away a couple of years ago, one of my closest friends was a Black guy (he hated the phrase "African-American") with a step-father like that. My friend and I hung out together all the time, were roommates on and off in our 20s, did a cross country road trip together, we business partners, etc. We must have known each other for 25 years before his step-dad admitted that maybe I was OK. But based on his life experience, I could understand where he was coming from. He worked for GM and was one of the first non-white supervisors in the '70s. His entire career was an uphill battle.
> Blacks (18%) are more likely than whites (9%) and Hispanics (3%) to say more people of different races marrying each other is generally a bad thing for society, though there are no significance differences by race or ethnicity on whether it is a good thing for society.11
Preface: I'm from the Midwest. A lot of people with racist sentiments don't think they're racist. Many people "just don't believe in mixing of the races." A common argument seems to be some biblical verse. They may not be willing to legislate against mixed marriages, but they will only date within their race and actively encourage family and friends to do the same.
Immigrants are another group that may not approve of mixed race marriages, depending on country of origin and/or religion.
"I just think that a family with multiple cultures will confuse the children" would get a lot of play in the midwest
"Why are daddy's family not white trash?"
In my anecdotal experience, a lot of minorities still. I’m Mexican/white and my wife is black. The most harassment I’ve received is from random black guys that see us together. It’s always something like “stay away from our women” or “punkass.” To a lesser degree I’ve received comments from other Mexican “friends” and only once from a racist white hillbilly.
Been married 11 years now. Fuck all of them and their limited world views.
People forget that all people are fundamentally the same on the inside, so they think these impulses don't happen to minorities too
My mom and aunties (Filipino side) tried really hard to pressure me into marrying a filipina or at least another asian. They would constantly try to set me up to date one of the filipina girls around my age. Which honestly was counter productive for them because any potential romance that could have developed was stunted by the fact that I just wanted to stick my middle finger up to that idea. That idea being that marrying a black or white girl was somehow bad.
Now my mom just wants me to marry anyone or anything.
I’ve also met Asian families/immigrants who will only approve of marriage to another Asian person of their ethnicity.
I see two exceptions a lot:
"I have nothing against interracial marriages just not for my family,"
"I'm opposed to interracial marriages except for (insert familial interracial marriage) because that's one of the 'good ones'"
Yeah but there's what you want for yourself versus what you think is fine for society.
Even for people who only date within their ethnic group, they're usually fine with other interracial couples, at least those involving other groups if not in general.
My grandpa. We were eating lunch one day and he said something along the lines of “I’ll just never understand why a white woman would want to waste her life away and get with a black man.”
There’s no changing his mind about it.
Also, yes we’re from Alabama.
Should see the comments on Twitter when black people find out a famous black person is dating a white chick, it's crazy
I am a white guy in a relationship with an African girl. We live in Alabama. We get more dirty looks from black men than anyone else
I’m sorry you have to go through that. It truly does suck when people glare at you in public for it 😐 Like why can’t they just kind their damn business
It's a somewhat common mindset is areas with large black populations. The whole "race traitor" thing. It's especially looked down upon for black women to date white guys, moreso than black guys dating white women.
The non-white segment is impressive.
My Asian American family has no qualms against marrying a White person. But we still have a few old bigots who raise their eyes if my cousins bring home a Black or Hispanic person.
Was friends with a Korean girl in college. She told me her mom said if she married white or Asian it doesn’t matter but absolute no to blacks.
Pretty much this.
And I’m Filipino we aren’t as strict about marrying outside the race as Koreans/Japanese are. I even got flack from my Korean exgf’s family members for not being “prime Asian” like Chinese/Korean/Taiwanese. Jungle Asians are not good enough either.
Well in Mongolia our parents are extremely against those “prime Asians”. If we marry a Japanese or a Korean or a Chinese, then it is over for us 😂
"Vanilla or rice, no chicken or spice." Its a fairly common saying in asian communities and gay communities.
….and the remaining 6% can mind their own goddamn business
I wonder if that number shows REAL approval, or more "I will give socially expected answer for that question".
There tends to be a different response if you ask "Would you be happy if your son/daughter married race x?"
Still, even if people are giving pretend approval that's better than 25 years ago when most people in the US were happy to declare themselves against it.
Probably the "I don't care about other people but I might disapprove if it was my childrens and I certainly never would consider it for myself"
I'm curious of the demographics of the respondants, and of the specifics of the marraige. I've seen plenty of white people who are fine with white male, black female, and plenty of black people who are fine with black male, white female, but both very unhappy with the inverse.
Now we just need to stop saying interracial marriage and just start saying marriage!
It's still weird that 3 out of every 50 Americans you meet are against it.
I imagine they're fairly concentrated populations.
My mom is of Mexican descent. My father is Caucasian (French and Danish descent). My name is Irish and German sounding. I have black hair and a complexion that easily suggests I’m mixed, but most people have always assumed I’m Greek.
I grew up in the Midwest (I’m in my mid 40’s now) in the 80’s and 90’s. Had a fantastic childhood, never had any racial issues. Didn’t really even think much about being multiracial. Neither did anybody else around me it always felt like.
My wife was born in South Korea, raised in the Los Angeles area since she was 5. It was a full year after we married when I woke up and it hit me: I was in an “interracial marriage.” Of course, wife thought I was crazy, that I didn’t “realize” it. I knew it but I never gave it that label until then.
My mother told me when I was very young that I am American. And that wearing labels and choosing sides is divisive. Now I tell my children the same thing.
It was only in the last 5 years that I learned that interracial marriage wasn’t even allowed until recently.
My point is , I’ve lived my whole life as multi racial, and now I’m in even deeper. It is something I’m not ignorant of. But at the same time, who cares. We acknowledge and respect our cultural backgrounds but in the end, we are American.
This feels skewed.
We're definitely less racist. But there are a lot of people who are totally for interracial marriage, until their child/brother/sister, decides to marry outside their race.
And that's not limited to white people either.
My Black friends routinely talk about how negatively their family would react if they brought a white woman home. My Hispanic friends have similar problems as do my Asian friends. It also falls along pretty sexist gender lines as well. Like an asian girl can date who she wants, but an asian man must find an asian girl. Or a white man can date a black woman, but a white girl can't date a black man.
It's messed up but a lot of people are still very much all talk until it's their family.
Interesting how it mentions just black and white interracial marriages as part of the statistic. I feel so many minorities are totally fine with dating /marrying someone from another race.