Arizona confirms men's basketball coach Sean Miller is out after 12 years
By - disappearhere
I am very surprised and also not surprised.
I feel like this has been a long time coming but i still let out an audible gasp when I read this.
* Gonzaga assistant coach Tommy Lloyd
* Pacific's Damon Stoudamire
* GA tech's Josh Pastner
* LA Lakers assistant Miles Simon
* BYU's Mark Pope
* Arkansas' Eric Musselman.
Got this list from the espn article
I would be very concerned about hiring a former player for fear of only chasing nostalgia and name recognition.
Edit: Of that list, Musselman would be my choice.
He is not on the list but Steve Kerr would be fine because he has a great track record as a coach and the name recognition outside of his playing days at U of A to allow him to recruit.
Other than that I would rather find the best coach available, not the one that makes us feel nostalgic.
Hiring alumni for the sake of them being alumni would be a huge mistake. I like the guy from Gonzaga or the guy from Arkansas.
I would love for them to keep JET on staff. If Walton is out at Sacramento he could always come back an assistant. I've really liked what Jedd Fisch has done with getting alumni involved.
Sounds great on paper but I can't imagine Kerr would want to leave Golden State any time soon.
Oh I don't expect that, I was just saying as far as alumni goes he would be the one I would want. Otherwise UofA should go find the best coach out there and not try to shoehorn a former Wildcat into the position.
Of the list that I have seen I would rather go with one of our alumni than the other crappy selections that are on there. You can’t forget Joseph Blair either because he has been doing great.
Fuuuuck. There are 2, maybe 3, legit candidates on that list but each is a step down from Miller in terms of experience and results. LOL, Josh Pastner.
Well when you fire someone at the worst time you generally have poor options for replacement lmao
Wasn't Pastner pretty decent at Memphis? Getting him his job now? I don't follow much anymore and maybe I'm way off, but he wouldn't be bad.
I remember it being kind of a shit-show at Memphis. He recruited some very good players but was not very good at prep and in-game coaching, and the team didn't seem to respect him. Same at GA Tech. I think he has imposter's syndrome because he's been gravy-training his entire life, and he knows it. First from Olson then from Calipari. I've never seen a former teammate or UofA player endorse Pastner as a future UofA coach. That says a lot.
Gotta hire JET.
The only thing surprising about this is the timeline, I thought it would've happened earlier in the height of investigations.
We all knew this was coming.
Him and his brother fired within a month
Because they both practice a slimy, joyless brand of basketball.
Idk Sean Miller wasn’t too bad and he had better results than his brother
He paid DeAndre Ayton to play at UA. That's against the rules, illegal, and ultimately the reason he lost his job and why we didn't compete in the postseason this year.
Archie may not have lived up to expectations, but at least he didn't bring a federal investigation with him to IU.
Another misinformed jackass who does not know the facts of the matter. I have nothing personal against Sean Miller but I am glad that he is out as our coach. You got all these half brained idiots chiming in thinking that they know about this investigation. I would like for you to give us a link where you have proof that he paid Ayton.
"Miller told Ayton '[deal with me when it comes to money](https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/22559902)."
Because Mark Schlabach is so trustworthy and reliable. He’s a hack and about as unbiased as DICK Vitale, Jay Bilas and the rest of those haters. He’s a freaking joke and you can’t seriously expect anybody to think you’re serious.
"Show me the evidence"
"Here's some evidence"
Look, guy: what's more likely, Sean Miller did nothing wrong and the FBI decided to hound him for 4 years and two presidential administrations, the university self-banned itself from post season play AND fired him...just for shits and goggles, or...
...Sean Miller, a powerful and rich man who has made his success by winning consistently, decided to bend the rules a little to continue his success in the cutthroat world of collegiate basketball, where it is widely understood this kind of thing happens on the regular?
He actually did not pay Ayton. Book Richardson said as much after the trial was over. There was an ESPN report based on... nothing, as it turns out. The FBI tried to nail Miller in this whole thing. They took his computers and mobile devices, they went up and down through his bank accounts. They got nothing (and they put Ayton's family through hell as well.) They certainly didn't start this investigation just to get convictions on a couple of assistant coaches, but that's what they got. Miller's big mistake was keeping Richardson on staff. People knew if Miller were to keep him on, there would be trouble ahead. But he was loyal to him to a fault. In the final analysis, Miller's responsible for the program, and once the investigation started, this was probably where we were gonna end up.
Yeah, it's called plausible deniability. Donald Trump did not pay Stormy Daniels--he paid Michael Cohen, who paid Stormy Daniels.
I’m quite familiar with that. And the FBI is too. They went up one side of him and down. Ayton as well. They found nothing. Think they didn’t check Book’s financials thoroughly to see if there was some mystery income stream? The FBI wanted to nail head coaches. Sean Miller might make a lot of money but you don’t take out tens of thousands in cash and then not have the FBI notice it when they’re going through your records. I’m not holding Miller up as a paragon of virtue, but there is absolutely zero evidence that what you say happened actually happened.
Yeah but I mean before that he was a good coach (if you believe he didn’t pay anyone before). Archie is among the worst performing ncaa basketball coaches with the talent he got and probably the worst coach in IU basketball history.
"Before that he was a good coach" reminds me of [this moment](https://youtu.be/EejRGLy1d4Y) from Futurama--"you were doing well until everyone died."
Time to bring Steve Kerr home from Golden State. Nothing left to prove at the pro level. Come home to Tucson and rebuild in Lute's image.
He's on record as saying he wants nothing to do with the college game.
I had the same thought. I don’t see it happening, but that would be a super outcome.
Why would he move to Tucson?
Tucson or the Bay Area, let me think about it...
The Bay Area sucks. He gets paid a ton so that puts him in middle class territory up there. And Steve lived hear for decades after he graduated, he likes Tucson.
Having said all that, he's not leaving a top notch NBA coaching job for a rebuild at a college program, period. Even the North Carolina job would be a big step down. The only way he would consider AZ is if he gets let go.
Left Tucson for the Bay Area. It definitely does not suck.
Gotta disagree with you about the Bay. If you can make it here, it definitely is the opposite of sucks.
And, btw, $9 million/year is a bit above middle class here....
I disagree about the Bay Area. Especially when you compare to the Old Pueblo.
I left Tucson to live in the Bay Area. It was the worst place I've ever lived (and I've lived in a lot of places). After six months in that overpriced pretentious fire hazard, I left to come back to Tucson. I'm so happy to be back in the Old Pueblo. To each his own, I suppose...
That’s awesome. I miss the bike trail and desert wash exploration
Byeee. He’s really leaving on a low note. I remember the palpable excitement when he came. How disappointing he turned out to be.
Good move- time to restore a little class to the program. Maybe bringing someone back from when Lute was around would be a way to rekindle that respectable feel. Simon maybe
If you want to clean house then take out the garbage while you're doing it, unfortunately Heeke and Robbins remain stinking up the whole house.
Agreed Robbins and the ad are garbage.
I dont follow the cats (sry, I haven't been able to watch b-ball since Jordan retired) so I don't know anything about his record, but just seeing him on tv occasionally talking to cameras, to me he seemed kinda like a dick. am I wrong?
Edit... hey assholes don't just downvote, I asked a question, answer me. You don't think he was a dick, say why and enlighten me.
Adia showed we need an alum. Damon, Luke Walton if possible, Simon would all be good.
What she showed is we need a top tier basketball mind that doesn’t rely to heavily on top recruits to win. She just happened to be an alumni.
Fucking THIS! People need to watch az women's beautiful basketball season and the movie Hoosiers lmao
She built a program that was a bottom dweller in the Pac-12. She also had some of the best recruits in UA women's history. She recruited just as well as she coached unlike Miller. One thing that helps her is being one of women's best alumni. That's why we need to get an alum for men's. If we get someone who has a jersey hanging in McKale then his job becomes that much easier.
If you hire an alum and it doesn't work out, then you have to fire them and that gets really awkward. Once in a while they work out. More often than not, though, they don't. Schools all over the country have hired legendary alums for coaches and then they ended up losing big (or simply not winning enough.)
You can say that about any coach you hire. There's a chance they could be average, there's a chance they win a natty, there's a chance they're gone in 5 years. Damon has done great at Pacific. Luke has coached in the NBA. JT and Miles have assistant coach experience in NBA and college. I would take any of their experiences over other similar coaches with no ties to UA. As a coach here you have to get the support from all the former players and current NBA players because that helps build the program, and you automatically get that when you bring in am alum.
Anyone but Tommy Lloyd would be a mistake
I have a feeling it's his job if he want's it. The timing of Miller's firing, two days after Lloyd's season is over, is might not be a coincidence.
Greg Byrne seems to still be off the radar for some reason.
He was the AD at the U of A left just before the FBI investigation into bribery was announced
I know, just wondering what he has to do with any of this discussion. He didn't even hire Miller.
It was on "his watch"; hard to believe there wasn't knowledge or rumors he was made aware.
It was his department.
I see what your getting at. But no, there is no way any AD would be involved in any recruiting. An AD's job is to hire/fire, allocate funds, beg boosters for more money, keep up the facilities, get the stadium's and fields remolded... all this for all sports.
I would imagine the only times Miller and the AD would talk is when they are at funding events with boosters, contract talks, and unfortunately, the FBI investigation and resulting firing.
AD's have been fired in the past for overseeing toxic environments. Like ignoring or trying to hide complaints of sexual misconduct or racism. But never for knowing or even aiding in recruiting violations.
These were more than recruiting violations; bribery is a crime.
As with most things, it's about money. The more successful a program is, the more money, prestige, influence.
I am not saying Byrnes had direct knowledge, yet one wonders about rumors, and potentially ignoring rumors.
Being waiting for this for 3 years. Feel like Christmas. People who say not to hire U of A Olsen Alum are Morons.
Miller NEVER established an identifiable culture within his program. Unless you consider a corrupt staff and only recruiting one-and-done players building a culture. Not to mention his inability to adjust in game...
This was a long time coming and a year or two too late.
The best thing we can do is seek out a coach who wants to build a culture that is about more than just what happens on the court. Develop players. Build a program again, not just a recruiting/NBA pipeline.
Musselman...Floyd? Hell no!
1. Joseph Blair
2. Damon Stoudamire
3. Miles Simon
4. Jason Terry
5. Luke Walton
I would definitely love to see a former alum take over. I’ve read enough stupid comments that people think that we would want to hire an alum just to be nostalgic. The guys that I mentioned actually have coaching experience and have done well. I would rather see one of our alumni than somebody who has absolutely no vested interest in this position. And considering that we have not ever had a Black head coach in basketball since Fred “The Fox” Snowden I think that’s another factor that should be considered as well. It’s 2021!
I have a feeling this won’t end well....if football is an indicator.
I am now feeling good about the Utes new hire. At least one my teams seems to be moving up.
Miller’s employment contract includes a series of longevity bonuses tied to the performance of a publicly traded oil-and-gas venture. The school said Wednesday that it will honor the remainder of the deal, suggesting that next year Miller will be due a payment equal to the value of nearly 30,000 fully-vested shares in MPLX LP currently held by the university’s foundation. That’s worth $781,929 based off today’s prices, but those shares won’t be sold and the money won’t be distributed until May 2022. [Full article here](https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/sean-millers-firing-caps-off-unique-oil-and-gas-longevity-bonus-1234626862/)
Those shares were gifted by a booster who wanted to give Miller and Rodriguez extra incentive to not take another job if they became coveted by other schools or pro teams.
Those were the glory days when a Final Four and Pac-12 football championship felt inevitable.