People in favor of lockdowns are much more selfish than people who want to reopen
By - 6thgenbestgen
People say that when they are fortunate enough for the lockdowns to have no effect on them. If it did, they would change their tune completely.
Agreed, it is usually done by people with the privelage to live and/or work comfortably at home.
Yes, people with privilege to take lots of time off work and savings built up
I feel like I've read this unpopular opinion at least 3 times in the last week
Yeah, redditors aren’t that creative but sometimes you find some gold here. Keep digging brother!
At LeAsT GrAnDmAs StIlL AlIvE!!!
No. She just hanged herself.
And was only discovered this summer because everyone was too afraid to even think about visiting her.
My grandma is 95. She does whatever the fuck she wants. A year in lockdown for her is as bad as life with no parole.
The economy wouldnt have been able to handle so many deaths.
Imagine the death rate is 1 %.
The economy and healthcare sector couldnt have dealt with 3 million deaths
People are still dying, and will continue to die. People die every day, and for the majority of them they are just statistics to everyone.
The question isn't whether it is good for people to die or not, it is of trade offs and consequences. There were consequences to the lockdowns, devastating ones which will ripple for years.
Part of the reason there is a disconnect is a certain privileged part of society got to stay at home and work less while getting paid the same. They attempt to frame the issue as a very simplistic issue of "doing the right thing" while simultaneously ignoring the devastation of the lockdowns.
Ya, but there is only a certain death rate we can handle. 1% of the population is not manageable
Don’t ruin the fantasy. It’s easier to keep pretending than face reality.
Look down the whole convo. It’s 1.65%
But CFR provides a more real picture of how many deaths may occur
I mean it is true that economy will and has suffered because of lockdown, I have friends who sadly got hit really hard but... Exchanging someones life for money seems higly unmoral for me. The first thing to understand is that each person that dies has family and friends. Would you be willing to exchange your job for the death of your mother?? Or best friend??
Also, if everyone lock downed properly and did what he was supposed to, the country wouldnt need a huge lockdown. I am not gonna say that we would be living like on New Zeland, because for most countries its not true. USA or EU couldnt just do lockdown on the same level. But it wouldnt be so restrictive if people werent retarded.
And the biggest issue that someone already commented about. If we didnt locked down, and if no one cared about the restrictions like masks, then hospitals would fill. And that would be a CATASTROPHE. Our death rates would rise tenfold, it could even be deadlier than Spanish flu. And economies around the world would simply collapse. I dont mean like great recession collapse or "collapse we have now" a lot of population will stop working. Even if just 1 or 2٪ of people would die, that would slow down economy a lot. Because all the other people will need to attend funerals, dig graves etc... Imagine every 50th person you have ever saw dies. Thats incredible amount of manpower lost.
And you people are talking about how repressive is it that you have to wear a mask and how terrible is it that you cant go to cinema or get a hair cut. I agree that economy going down is a bad thing, but without the restrictions and lockdown, it would collapse completely.
We should have never locked down period
Covid could have done so much more damage if we didnt have lockdowns.
No, it wouldnt have
Yes it could did, same with mask and social distancing.
No it wouldn't it would kill the same groups of people its always been killing ( the elderly and immune compromised)
Because no healthy people died in the pandemic /s
And the hospitals would be overrun.
(And the obese)
Not allowed to say that, shhhhh.
Yes of course
Since obese people have more trouble fighting it off they are just as bad as unvaccinated people.
Just as bad? In what way?
They're spreading covid unnecessarily through poor medical decisions.
The vaccinated are also spreading and contracting Covid, are they not?
Yep, tons of it.
That’s not true, children are starting to die from Covid.
The vaccines aren’t approved for children yet
It's as if these vaccines suck
CDC data says there's ~500 deaths of people below the age of 18 who've died of Covid. In contrast, the older populations, meaning 50+ have a death toll of 400,000+. It's not a threat to children, and delta is even less deadly than O.G. Covid.
Source? 'Trust me bro.'
If you scroll down this page you can see a table for deaths separated by age. If you tap or click the button in the lower left corner of the table, it will show you the percentage of deaths each age group represents. Each group in the 0-17 year old range represents <.1% of total deaths in the United States. The number of deaths is remarkable in that the number of deaths is remarkably low.
We don't live in a vaccume we can see how much faster other countries recovered compared to the US. Besides no place fully closed there was always to go orders and curb side pick up. Like all of t he small businesses in my area are still going strong, yet peoe keep saying millions of lives and businesses are destroyed. I have yet to see one.
Every measurable metric disagrees with you. Losing a scholarship is preferable to getting familily member, or even yourself as we are seeing now, killed. I'm young and healthy and was able to keep working through the pandemic. The only difference in the last year was I started ordering groceries for curb side and had to wear a mask occasionally. Oh and concerts were canceled but its such a small price to pay to not overwhelm the hospitals. Here in reno ambulances stopped transporting people because the hospital was so full. So sorry you had to wear a mask for a few hours a day. Honestly what couldn't you do over that last year that justified putting people at risk?
So your life didn't change at all what are you mad about?
Okay... but like people were dying I think you could knock out some push ups at home so that the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. Like now Florida has to air lift patients to other states. But people like you and Obama just had to keep having big get together and keep spreading this virus.
People who died chose it, they chose to go out in public. They took the same risk I took. Like I said, this all is much simpler if the people who are scared stay home, everyone else consents to dying if they get it. I’m willing to take my risk (and I did get it and it was a common cold)
I also like how you have to downvote every single comment. You can't just have a real conversation with someone.
I like how you are just ignoring all the other problems accociated with covid because you don't have an answere. Hospitals can't handle that number of sick people at one time. So people go out get covid, Mostly are going to be fine but then keep it spreading around so that people who aren't and even are staying home get sick enough to go to the hospital which is now overwhelmed and cannot take everyone. So now people who dont even have covid and need hospital beds for like cancer or something cannot get the care they need. And you are too selfish to put any mild crimp in your lifestyle to alleviate all of that.
I hope one day you’ll see just how much covid destroyed. You peoole and your authoritarianism will be the downfall of society. It’s already begun.
Nobody wants to be locked down. Basically nobody. This isn’t unpopular.
There are 80 million americans who would disagree with ya there.
Just not true.
Well most people who voted in a particular party in the U.S 9 times out of 10 will support some sort of state restrictions that involve you not being able to go places.
Nobody wants to be on lockdown.
The only reason to go on lockdown is because hospitals are getting overwhelmed, and if the virus were to continue to spread at the same rate, hospitals would have to turn people away because they didn’t have enough beds.
In NY during the lockdown, hospitals were running ICUs out of tents set up in the parking lots. They were overwhelmed with covid patients, a lockdown was necessary at the time.
The liberals want everyone to get vaccinated and wear masks so that we DON’T have to go on lockdown, and so that everything can stay open and maintain business as usual.
You can argue that they’re overreacting or that covid isn’t so bad, but to say that people actually want to be on lockdown is a disingenuous argument.
The new york part I dont believe they brought in a hospital ship and it only had 1 patient so its not about hospitals being overwhelmed. The biggest lie was 14 days to slow the spread that then turned into 2 years of no one gets sick. Its insanity.
This is anecdotal, but I know doctors who worked in ICUs in the parking lots, and lost patients because they didn’t have respirators. They didn’t run out of beds because they had the tents, but they were absolutely on the brink of being overwhelmed, and this was weeks into the lockdown. If there wasn’t a lockdown, they likely would have reached capacity. The situation was being dealt with when the hospital ship arrived.
Another lockdown shouldn’t be necessary unless the virus reaches a point like it did in spring of 2020, and that shouldn’t happen with people getting vaccinated and following safety guidelines like wearing a mask around other people if you aren’t vaccinated.
However, people refusing to get vaccinated increases the rate that covid spreads, which increases the likelihood of it mutating into something more infectious and more deadly.
You know what's selfish, being given the tools to end the pandemic and lockdowns and go back to normal and refusing to use them, won't vaccinate won't wear masks but will try everything else in the book because of politics and then complain about muh lockdown or muh freedom.
Everyone who want's the vaccine can get it free, and refusing to is the reason we aren't back to normal by now.
They will just move the goal post.
I got the vaccine
>refusing to is the reason we aren't back to normal by now.
Are you really that delusional?
All for what? So that the death count didn’t go into the millions in our country. That’s why. Is there a number of people you would’ve allowed to die to save people businesses?
Yes, I would allow anyone to die. If you are afraid for your health, you stay home. Everyone else can fend for themselves and manage their own health. If people die, they die 🤷♂️
Yes. What is the speed limit on the highway?
If we lowered it to 15 mph how many lives would we save?
Those god damn trucking companies so selfishly forcing the speed limits up. Smh.
Almost all public policy decisions involve some acceptable loss of life.
For... saving the lives of the vulnerable of society.
The majority of lockdown advocates aren't those people. They're not, in any single way, being unselfish. They're being selfless, putting their desire to return to normal, risking their economic prosperity, to help those in need.
What's INSANELY selfish is refusing to get vaccinated or to wear a mask. Those people, putting the lives and health of those around them at such a low cost as to be less valuable than wearing a small piece of fabric over their face or to get an injection, are selfish at their very core.
Well I got the injection. However, I will not wear a mask.
Well, you're selfish then. The cost of a mask is basically nothing, the fact that you'll risk the health of others to forgo that is immoral.
I’m immunized. I don’t need to. The level of concern you are at is ludicrous. The fact that you are now denying even vaccines efficacy…wow. I got the jab, and ever since then a mask has never touched my face. Not that I wore them before lol.
Oh, so you didn't wear a mask beforehand? Well, that's a sign of a weak man if I've ever heard one.
Okay enjoy your face diapers
OP is kinda starting to sound like an angry child who's upset he can't do everything he wants
>OP is kinda starting to sound like an angry child who's upset he can't do everything he wants
The vaccine is not 100% effective. It's high up there, but not at 100. I'll admit I went maskless for a while after restrictions let up, but now that this delta variant is going around, I just might mask up. And also, you say that people who are scared should stay at home? That's privileged of you to say don't you think? It's not like the whole world can work from home. I mean, think about health care professionals like nurses. They can't do their job from home, so if they're scared, then tough luck. If they die, that's not on them that's on the people like you who chose to spread the virus rather than man up and take precautions.
Well I can’t stay at home. Isn’t that selfish of you to force me to stay home? Not everyone is privileged enough to be able to drop everything and quarantine. People lost jobs, had to drop school, lost scholarships, businesses, etc
I'm not asking you to stay home. Like I just said it's privileged to think anybody can just stay home. I'm all for keeping businesses open. But why do you refuse to wear a mask?
>But why do you refuse to wear a mask?
Because I am vaccinated and I believe they are ineffective
What's ineffective about them? From my understanding, when someone with the virus breathes (or coughs) with a mask on, the infected particles keep close to you rather than spread out. Yeah, one way or another it's getting into the air supply, but with a mask on it's a bit less so and I'm assuming a majority of the virus particles will be dead by then. But anyway, that's my take on it. I know it's not a strong argument and I'm sure you've spoken to lots of people about it already, so do with it what you will.
I don’t think it’s worth it. We have vaccines. These vaccines are shown to be around 91% effective. That is plenty for me. If I happen to be in the 9% who gets it anyway, so be it. If someone is not satisfied with the 91% immunization, they are free to stay home, mask up, or do whatever else. I, however, will live my life how I see fit.
He said he was vaccinated.
He’s already said he didn’t wear it before getting vaccinated.
Money is replaceable, people’s health and lives are not.
Thats a very privileged way of looking at it. A lot of folks rely on that income to stay healthy, to keep their house, make sure there is food on the table. If they lose their business/scholarship that could be it for them. Tons of folks don’t have multiple opportunities, they have one. They get one chance to make sure their families are taken care of.
Covid ruined that for millions. All the shutdowns did was allow larger corporations to grow and shut down their small business competition.
Currently there are zero conclusive studies that day that lockdowns worked. In fact there are plenty of studies that say the opposite. But that doesnt matter either because long term we dont have the information to make a decision on what did work and what didnt. All we know is the effect that the lockdowns had on the economy and individuals financially.
Those people can stay home if they are scared. It’s not my responsibility.
I don't think its about being scared. I mean, hospitals are so filled up with covid patients that those suffering from other diseases and illnesses can't get a bed. Its pretty selfish to say that your life is more important than anyone else's. The lockdown is to keep people safe and alive.
If you have covid and didn’t get the vaccine you should be turned away from the hospital
While I disagree with many people who didn't get the vaccine - there are plenty of people who truly cannot be vaccinated because they are immunocompromised. I suppose we should just let them die as well?
They are a fucking extreme minority, we can help them but it’s annoying how people keep using them in argument.
The point is that we'll have to keep going in lockdown/quarantine because of the ridiculous number of people who refuse to get vaccinated/wear a mask. I don't like it anymore than you do but that's whats gotta happen to minimize cases and deaths.
If hospitals turn away covid patients, those patients will spread it to others resulting in more cases/deaths.
And the vaccine doesn't prevent covid entirely. Its not an immunization. It makes it harder to catch covid and reduces the symptoms. You can still spread the virus.
At this point all the people dying are unvaccinated. They made their choice.
>At this point all the people dying are unvaccinated.
Nobody is in favor of lockdowns lol
The lockdown has completely fucked my grades and i doubt i will manage to get back to having a stable school life