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Having multiple kids you can't afford is a self control issue, and is not oppressive to say if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't be having sex

Having multiple kids you can't afford is a self control issue, and is not oppressive to say if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't be having sex

OutrageousConflict6

The way religion mind fucks people plays a major role in this. Sex is biological drive that's can be difficult to ignore but that wouldn't be as much of a problem if there weren't multiple religions pushing the birth control is a sin bullshit


Gonzod462

I dont think there is much overlap anymore, to be honest. People having lots of unprotected sex with multiple partners and the ultra religious are two completely separate groups of people.


TheStrawberrySlayer

True, but ultra religious people are generally super poor and are "fruitful and multiply."


spippy_the_ogre

bruh so what if you get raped? that shit isnt the womans fault


WaterDemonPhoenix

Hence the word sex. Consensual sex. I don't consider rape sex.


spippy_the_ogre

well sex is still sex and you didnt say anything about rape.


WaterDemonPhoenix

I did. I specifically said consensual fucking. If you want a gotcha this ain't it.


spippy_the_ogre

well even then i dont agree with you


WaterDemonPhoenix

I know most people won't.


spippy_the_ogre

well yeah


Ozcy_1700

I wouldn't say don't have sex, just try considering some kind of protection.


WaterDemonPhoenix

Protection fail. If you are 100% starving, you shouldn't be boning. If you went 3 days without food, you shouldn't be boning consensually.


RockstarLines

So you've never read anything on the impacts of poverty on decision making?


WaterDemonPhoenix

If you can't even recognize you can't feed yourself for the day, I think poverty isn't an excuse. You are too idiotic


RockstarLines

If you don't have the education and/or access to planned parenthood, then your decision making skills are compromised. You are too privileged.


WaterDemonPhoenix

So compromised to the point where you don't even know that sex can lead to pregnancy? Even animals know. You are basically implying poor people are dumber than animals. Humans who consensually and intentionally fuck with no regards to the child and only 'i have baby fever' are just scum


RockstarLines

>So compromised to the point where you don't even know that sex can lead to pregnancy? Yes. Your privilege is glaring here and starting to hurt my eyes... >Even animals know. No, animals are not aware of how their reproductive functions work. Don't you think farm animals would have revolted by now? >You are basically implying poor people are dumber than animals. No, you are implying that everyone has a comprehensive sex/family education and/or access to planned parenthood. >Humans who consensually and intentionally fuck with no regards to the child and only 'i have baby fever' are just scum Education greatly impacts intent. And I totally agree, intentional breeders are the scum of the earth. r/antinatalism Educated people in the developed world who have children on purpose are the worst people, not the poor.


WaterDemonPhoenix

Show me the stats that some people don't even know that penetrative sex leads to babies. I'm gonna guess even the poor schmuck in india or suburban texas knows that. But I'm willing to concede they don't. As for intentional breeders, how the fuck are the poor not worst? they see the shit hole they are in and think it's a good idea to have more? what a joke


RockstarLines

>Show me the stats that some people don't even know that penetrative sex leads to babies. https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-lge&ei=S2I6YM2uO4vQsAWqlLG4BQ&q=correlation+between+comprehensive+sex+ed+and+unwated+pregnancy&oq=correlation+between+comprehensive+sex+ed+and+unwated+pregnancy&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBAgeEAo6BAgAEEdQy3JY7YkBYLK0AWgAcAF4AIABlAeIAbwbkgEDNi00mAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp >I'm gonna guess even the poor schmuck in india or suburban texas knows that. Probably because of that privilege thing I was talking about... >But I'm willing to concede they don't. Good! Because they don't necessarily know how pregnancy works or have access to planned parenthood. >As for intentional breeders, how the fuck are the poor not worst? They don't have high quality education. Educated people in the developed world know better. >they see the shit hole they are in and think it's a good idea to have more? what a joke Probably because of their poor quality of education...


WaterDemonPhoenix

I'm not gonna let you be bogged down by irrelevant points, so this question is simple. Yes or no. do you know sex leads to babies? yes, then dont have sex at all


RockstarLines

Ok well many people in poverty don't know.


Gonzod462

That is incredibly stupid and ironically way more insulting and coming from "privilege" than the person you are arguing with lol


WaterDemonPhoenix

That's not the same thing as not knowing. Again, do you know that sex leads to babies ? It's a simple yes or no. And you don't know me. I had an 'abstinance only education'. I decided no penis was coming near me. Empathy has nothing to do with education. Are you telling me they are so stupid that they look and see the poverty and think it's ok to have more? the way you view the poor as some dumb animal blows my mind. you are such a privileged person. you've never been poor have you? i was poor. the poverty i saw was heart breaking. my fellow poor people were not dumb, they were selfish and decide to have zero self control


RockstarLines

>That's not the same thing as not knowing. It really is... >Again, do you know that sex leads to babies ? >It's a simple yes or no. Only if I have a decent quality education. >And you don't know me. I had an 'abstinance only education'. You should learn about poverty next... >I decided no penis was coming near me. You have a better quality education than most poor people. >Empathy has nothing to do with education. Is that why you have no empathy for the poor? >Are you telling me they are so stupid that they look and see the poverty and think it's ok to have more? Ignorance and stupidity are different concepts... The poor are more susceptible to ignorance. >the way you view the poor as some dumb animal blows my mind. That's a straw man argument. >you are such a privileged person. The Pee Wee Herman defense? Really? > you've never been poor have you? Sure have! I had a decent education though. >i was poor. the poverty i saw was heart breaking. my fellow poor people were not dumb, they were selfish and decide to have zero self control Can you show evidence that the poor are having children because they are selfish and have no self control?


Gonzod462

Wow, got even more ridiculous with the rebuttal hahha


Gonzod462

What education? Sex can lead to babies? What are you even talking about lol


bison_breakfast

Ooh do you have a paper? I’d like to read it


RockstarLines

https://www.google.com/search?q=correlation+between+poverty+and+unwanted+pregamcy&oq=correlation+between+poverty+and+unwanted+pregamcy&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.19710j0j9&client=ms-android-lge&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=correlation+between+poverty+and+unwanted+pregnancy&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart


plebbitor24601

I find myself unable to sympathize with poor people with multiple children. It's your damn fault for having kids that you can't afford to take care of! It's not that hard to keep it in your pants!


CarlManvers2020

My college was pretty obsessed with Globalism and I'm from the Philippines, but one thing I see as justification/explanation behind having so many kids is this One day one or two of said kids will get a job and will support the parents when their old That and admittedly even up to now, there are people who just don't know how basic sexual reproduction works Those kids will work and more likely reproduce and some day support their parents or grandparents Though I don't think the average person thinks that far in advance


TooStonedForAName

But you have no idea of their previous financial situation.