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It's frustrating that traditional women barely exist anymore

It's frustrating that traditional women barely exist anymore

Iron_Seguin

As a dude, your post reeks of r/justneckbeardthings and r/niceguys..... I’m not saying it to be mean but that’s what I see. Seriously, the way your post comes off is creepy so no self respecting woman would risk her time and energy for you. You’ve got this “boo me” attitude about women on dating apps and doing so makes you more undesirable. Nobody wants to date an insecure loser who is worried about shit like that. You’re also a dude in his early 30s and you want someone 25 or less and you want someone with low body count so that tells me you want someone who is a virgin or someone whose has very limited sexual experience so you can manipulate them more. Inexperienced people will put up with more bullshit because they don’t know that there are better options out there. Even if these aren’t your intentions, your post reeks of energy that suggests these are your intentions and it’s disgusting. No self respecting woman would ever want to put herself through the mental torture it’s going to take to put up with your “boo me” attitude and narcissistic tendencies.


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Iron_Seguin

Times have changed dude. You either get with the program here or you move somewhere you can find someone that you described above. If you’re in America, your best odds at finding someone to be in a traditional relationship would be to move to the Bible Belt areas and start there. Those areas are very conservative and would more than definitely have what you’re looking for. Now back to your neckbeard energy. The problem with neckbeards is they have this insane standard that women need to follow in looks, education, career potential, etc. Neckbeards however don’t think that they need to live up to the standards they give others. They also tend to look for girls who are virgins or lack experience sexually because they can manipulate them into doing some stuff they definitely wouldn’t be comfortable with. Neckbeards also tend to get really upset and angry with women because nobody wants to bend to their will despite being “such a nice guy.” Your post shows all of that and it’s just not going to work. I also noticed that you mentioned your money, earning potential and your looks as if it’s some ticket to get whoever you want. That to me screams entitlement and that you think your money, your body and your job entitles you to your pick of whoever. Someone mentioned it in another comment but all your money and “prestigious roles” isn’t going to change the fact that you have a shitty attitude that is most likely repelling people from you.


SamOfEclia

Do you require a corset?


mrh0930

Wowza, what a horrifically misogynistic and pornified way of thinking.


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mrh0930

The way that you view women is just deplorable. You, a "man" in his 30's, wants a woman who is 10 years younger than you with limited sexual experience. How does that not come off as misogynistic and just plain disgusting? You want someone that you can groom and shape into the "perfect" woman. Get real. Everyone grows older, so it's inevitable that the young girl you are lusting for will eventually be older. What then? Will you tell her that since she's older she's no longer desirable to you, will you ditch her and the life that you supposedly want to build with her to find the next young girl to groom? Get over yourself. I'm sure your misogynistic, self righteous attitude is EXACTLY why you haven't been able to find a relationship.


Iron_Seguin

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this. I mentioned in my own comment that a “low body count” means that his potential partner would have little to no experience and that she would be incredibly vulnerable to manipulation and grooming to become his view of a “perfect woman.” It might be a stretch to say his intentions are that but given the context and what I read, odds are his intentions are just that. Also, he’s in his early 30s and has a good job, good body “supposedly” and his “going places.” That’s all great but the way he’s saying it is suggesting, to me at least, that he’s using that as a way to make sure he gets the “best pick.” Almost like his job and money entitles him to the best woman out there and everyone else can fuck off.


mrh0930

Yes! Precisely. He wants someone that he can completely shape into who he wants them to be, at least that's how it came off. And seeing as he deleted his post, I'd say that our thoughts about that are pretty spot on. His "I'm such an accomplished, highly attractive and desirable dude" attitude would be fine if he accepted that women are people too. Women have sex, women have struggles that lead to mental health issues, women ARE desirable beyond age 25, and women are able to "live up their life" however they want until whatever age they want. But instead he wants them to skip that part of their life to "live it up" with him and only him. Just disgusting.


stewartgirl4eva

>but when I look at the women on the market these days who >25 or less, low body count, smart, athletic, kind, no serious mental issues, >And frankly I just am not interested in a relationship with a woman who has been with a lot of guys. >"a woman who is 30 is just as desirable as one who is in their >traditional women barely exist anymore Imagine you are a woman in your early 30s and someone comes to tell you, you're not desirable anymore, or good to build a family with. LmAo You know what I say? I say thank fucking christ that barely adult females are not settling for a man who could be 10 years older than them. Thank fucking christ that woman are going out there having multiple sexual adventures because what a fucking miserable world it would be If you had to settle so early on in life for a guy who thinks he is the best a Woman can do. I say thank fucking christ some aspects of the 40s 50s and 60s, women are not adhering to anymore. Rant over. And yes, I'm a 32 single female with no children.


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stewartgirl4eva

You're assuming all women want to commit in their 30s and 40s. I think you're the one out of touch with what the real world offers you. Women's existence doesn't revolve around finding a husband at 25. That doesn't happen anymore. Women want to live independently, go to school, have careers. Fuck different people and see what we like. And then....maybe... just maybe find a partner. I can live with the fact that you wouldn't find me attractive at the Ripe age of 32 😂


GlitteringDonutz

Mate maybe the problem is you..


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geefunken

I do


vrosej10

Yeah, I'd be dodging you like vomit on the pavement. You reek of misogyny, entitlement with hints of narcissism. You actually seem like a risky prospect. For context, I've been with my husband thirty years.


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vrosej10

To be frank, if I read this a single woman who actually wanted to settle down, it reads as *I want a woman who I will stay faithful to only so long as she meets my physical standards. As soon as I give birth or gain weight or get old, I have the means to leave you and I will as soon as I meet someone who better fits my exacting standards.* You simply aren't worth the risk and no amount of looks or money will change that.


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vrosej10

Just wow. You are completely deaf to the heads up I am giving you. You could be a saint and coming over the way you do, no woman with a normal range IQ is gunna want to invest her time in you...but keep going the way you are going. Don't say anyone didn't try to warn you


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vrosej10

For God knows what reason I'm trying to help you, probably because I think you are highly unlikely to get frank and honest commentary from a woman who once upon a time actually was your target audience. If you cannot accept good advice, that's not on me


GrayDottedPony

Not true. My husband was a guy who preferred a 'traditional relationship'. He wished for a traditional woman and at first, he got none. But he never would have whined there weren't any. He just searched calmly and accepted he'd need a bit longer to find one and that it was ok that not all women where just waiting for him. Well then life happened and he found me. I've always been independent but still willing to settle down. I am mostly traditional but not docile. I admired my parents and grandparents and the relationships they had. The way they looked out for each other and where committed to their families. How my mom and grandma stayed home with their kids but also worked when necessary, for example to get their house. And there are tons of 'traditional' women out there who want a home and kids and a life with their husbands... but what those guys like OP want is not 'traditional', they want docile. Modern women, even if they want to devout themselves to family still want a voice and be part of the relationship, part of the decisions and recognised for their efforts. And it's not that modern either. My parents and grandparents, also my parents in law are as traditional as couples can be but still the women had their say and their share in the benefits. Not just what their husbands had let them have but they knew their value and their rights. They raised the kids so they got to say how to deal with them too. They did the chores do they got to say what was acquired for it etc. In short: household and kids are work that deserves recognition just as regular work does and full-time moms deserve a voice too. But guys like him don't want a committed woman who plays an equal role in marriage and is proud of what she does, even if it's 'just family', they want a bitch to breed who does as told. That's why he doesn't find a 'good wife'. Not because there ain't any. With my husband and me, of course then even more life happened and things didn't quite turn out as we envisioned them so I had to shift my focus and become a working wife. But I knew my husband would stand by me just as I stand by him and we still have an apple pie marriage despite me having to work and no kids happening. It wasn't what we wanted but it's how it is. I'd never considered the relationship though if I hadn't believed that my husband loved me for my personality and not for my traits. A husband like OP would probably have dropped me like a hot stone the moment I got sick, lost my trim body and it became clear I wouldn't have kids. That's also a point that shows me OP isn't looking for a wife that just shares his views on family but a docile robot: he didn't list even one personality trait! That they share interests beyond her caring for his needs, pshew. Who cares what she likes or thinks? He's describing stock! Fit, young, docile. Not a partner to share his life and sorrows. Not somebody to fulfill her part in a family but a breeder to raise HIS kids and caring for HIS household, grateful for the morsels HE lets them have. He doesn't want a family, he wants admirers in the background of his success. He doesn't want to be a dad, a husband, a family man who takes responsibility and cares for his family as traditional men did. He wants to be the superstar who has it all! The wife is just another notch in the bat. No wonder they keep running. Just last year, just before hell broke loose, I baked a wedding cake for a very nice couple. She had studied chemistry and he is an engineer. This year, she's pregnant, quit her job, prepares to be one of those 'traditional' women. Wants two more kids, is invested in gardening and baking, keeps house, is a semi-professional dancer for a hobby... it's impossible to find a woman more passionate for family and classical roles. But it was their shared decision. And she has a husband who respects it's a decision not the default setting for a woman. They fell in love for each other and not for an ideal image where only one of them decided upon their lives. That's not what OP wants or he'd easily get it.


cabbage-soup

The combination of expectations you have is very unrealistic. Also dating your own age is much better because you’ll be at similar points in life. Me and my boyfriend are 3 years apart but we started dating late high school and it’s been rough for us because we are going through stages of adulthood at completely separate times. Maybe if you were 40 looking for someone who was 30, that’d be easier. But people who are in their early 20s isn’t a good choice for your expectations


Toohigh2care

Your looking for woman to young, most that age do not want to settle down and nothing wrong with that. Look closer to your own age and it will be easier to find so One who wants what you want.


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Keepmovinbee

You definitely are a narcissist. Make sure you are a good player before getting your trophy.


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vrosej10

This is what I'm trying to tell you. I was a woman who wanted to settle down young and did. The vibe you are throwing makes you sound like the last man on earth anyone who wants what you claim to want would choose. Your vibe is the dead opposite of your stated goal.


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vrosej10

You've missed the point again. Your expectations are unrealistic and likely to scare the horses and you are so gun sure that you are right that you unwilling to consider you might be doing something wrong even though results suggest this is the case.


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vrosej10

Unless you got a time machine, they are.


Keepmovinbee

You aren't in your prime. You are an adult male who wants a barely legal girl. My mom tells my brother that he wants to attract a certain girl he needs to be what he wants to attract. You want a girl to mold, not a woman.


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Keepmovinbee

I'm plenty happy with what I have and he is nothing like you. I was with two people until I was 30 because I married my high school sweetheart, he was more like you. Maybe (I'm totally serious) you should look into a mail order bride.


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Keepmovinbee

I'm actually not. They are typically young women who work hard on themselves because their whole goal in life is exactly what you want. A wife. In exchange they become American citizens and get your protection.


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gottalifetolive

25 and less are normally still in college and living up their life. Your expectations are so off.


sotaponi

Personally I don't understand how one can stand living in today's West, which is becoming rather objectively a pathologically narcissistic and deluded idiocracy (if you are outside the bubble) in general. Dating would be the least of my worries. The first priority is leaving.


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Spot on bro. I've been with 20+ girls in my life ranging from 18-30 and none of these girls I'd consider wifey material. They all love to drink, party, sleep around and most of them have some sort of baggage related to the former. These girls are good to keep around as fuck buddies but nothing more. Love how I get called sexist for saying this but no one ever offers a rational argument


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All the rewards without any of the risks for sure. At the same time they've created a society where men are being increasingly feminized and any who dare speak out against this are branded misogynists. All we can do is teach our own children, brothers, male friends etc what we can about masculinity


damageinc86

How can you get hate for merely noticing an obvious trend? Weird stuff.


DukeRalo

I knew this would be a downvote festival when I saw traditional women in the title haha.


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DukeRalo

Bro you gotta understand women are humans too. The same some of us men can't get a stable job or be muscular or "manly" is the same way they all can't be mentally healthy, have few sexual partners etc. It is true that some women objectify themselves on places like social media, it's their body and there's nothing you or I can do. Traditional women were secretly depressed, hated their husbands and were treated coldly by their fathers. When the 21st century came round it brought the ability for everybody to do whatever they want whether we like it or not.


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DukeRalo

That's fine and I'm sure there are many women like that but you can't inflict your judgement on others just because it's not up to your standards. For example, you spoke pretty well of your self, so I'm assuming you have an above average body count( you can correct me if I'm wrong). You can't expect to have had sex with a million people and want a woman who's probably only had one partner. You have to hold yourself to the same standard.