Why do black people think they can't be racist?
By - firsttimershere
Well i'm a black guy, and while i personally think it's fucking retarded to say black people can't be racist, I'd be lying if i said i didnt know exactly what you are talking about. All of my college professors back when i was in undergrad, most of my classmates at my HBCU, even my mom spouts that dumb shit despite me thoroughly debunking her position.
The reason is that they believe that racism requires a systemic power advantage. And since black people dont have a systemic power advantage in their eyes, they can't be racist. Usually they say that black people can be prejudice but not racist, and then ignore every dictionary that says that racism is prejudice based on race. It's the same idea as people saying women cant be sexist to men.
Because the truth doesn't fit the narrative that those who say it want. It's like a politician reaching into your pocket and thanking you for your "donation".
Racism = Racism, no matter where it's coming from.
Some people primarily subscribe to the definition of racism as being a systemic problem, which is what they are referring to in this case.
No. Racism is racism. Period. No one gets a pass.
You misunderstand. Everyone is capable of racism, true. But there is no systemic racism against white people. At least not in the US.
Affirmative action laws means that white people need higher test scores than blacks to get into the same schools. Thats systemic.
Even if that's true that doesn't negate the fact that the vast majority of systemic issues favor white people. Finding one, or even ten would be a drop of water in an ocean of systems that disenfranchises BIPOC.
But what you said was that it doesn't exist systemically against whites, I showed how you're wrong. I'm not trying to compete racism with you, I said something you said was wrong.
Me: Doctor! Every bone in my body is broken! *screams*
Doctor: Actually, your left tibia is completely intact. You can go home.
So you want to compete racism? What is wrong with you?
People like that who push race-based victim narratives don't know how to discuss their positions like rational, mature adults. You called that person out for making blatantly false statements and all they did was get defensive lol
The problem isn't Affirmative Action. It's a combination of legacy admissions and rich (predominately white) families being able to buy a way into colleges for their undeserving children.
I understand perfectly.
What did I misunderstand then?
You misunderstood nothing. Just as I didn't. You understand the world as you see fit. I'm not saying what you believe is wrong. You have every right to think how and whatever you wish.
I'm saying I understand that.
I am so confused right now.
No you don't. Or you wouldn't have said the first thing.
Ahh.. Thanks for telling me what I was thinking.
Have a good evening.
You very clearly do not.
You seem confused. The only institutionalized racism that even exists in the US today, exists to benefit black people and other minorities in the form of affirmative action college admission policies, affirmative action hiring policies, race-based scholarships, public and private programs offering aid based on skin color, etc. Hell, the Biden administration already got in legal trouble for discrimination in the distribution of covet relief because they prioritized business owners based on gender and race when it was irrelevant.
What sort of systemic racism do you think exists that targets minorities but not white people?
You seem upset. Do you feel like you are being disenfranchised?
Why are you projecting? You literally just ignored every point I made and instead made a juvenile personal attack. I couldn't think of a better way for you to show that you have no argument though, so thanks for that lol
An argument is something you make on equal footing.
And it's clear that we aren't on equal footing because I can articulate my position and all you can do is make juvenile personal attacks, so thanks for pointing that out as well lol
Because you're misunderstanding the context it's primarily being used in. When people refer to "black people can't be racist", it's usually being used in the context of discussions of systemic racism and steps that can be used to solve or mitigate it. For example, when we start talking about things like affirmative action (or even just not saying the N-Word if you're a white person), there's always that one jackass that jumps in claiming how the solutions are "reverse racism" and that they're the *real* victims.
Which is nonsense, because in the context of systemic racism it's impossible for marginalized communities to be racist, because they simply don't have the power to enforce the kind of widespread discrimination that they themselves face.
You'd probably be surprised how many black people also misunderstand the definition as well. I've tried calling out black people on Twitter for saying demonstrably racist shit like calling white people uncultured mayo monkeys and cave beasts and their only callback is basically citing the prejudice + power thing and saying they can't be racist at all, ever.
I now avoid Twitter because holy hell it's full of dumb, toxic people.
Never underestimate basic stupidity 🤷♂️
There is a new definition of racism that is becoming more common. (usually among college people, and/or activists)
In it, racism refers to prejudice+power. If someone is just discriminating against someone without the power aspect, it's just prejudice. (Note, that this doesn't make it less bad, prejudice is supposed to have the same connotations as racism)
(old) racism= (new) prejudice
It's purely a semantics/definitional thing.
That's not accurate. This isn't a new definition of racism. What's happening here is people are trying to replace the definition of racism with the definition of institutionalized racism.
Anyone who thinks they can’t be racist because they belong to a certain race is just lying to themselves. Racism is racism no matter who it comes from and who it’s directed at.
Nah I feel you bro like black people beating Asians that's racist but still say that black lives matter and we shouldn't be racist to them it's complete bullshit.
i mean…black people individually can be racist but you still shouldn’t be racist towards black people as a whole. i don’t think it’s bullshit to say you shouldn’t be racist against black people
I agree that we shouldn't be racist to black people it's bullshit that black people complain that we are racist but then go a do racist shit to other people.
right but black people are not a monolith, if you see individuals doing this you should call them out but it’s unfair to phrase it as “black people are racist but say we shouldn’t be racist”
most black people i know are not racist. some are. i call out racists, not black people
I don't mean all black people I know black people that aren't racist.
Because people think in black and white sometimes, no pun intended.
Basically, some people like to think that, as long as you're part of the group that's the victim, you can't be part of the problem.
If someone tries to punch you, for example, and you hit them in the face, it's not assault, it's self defense.
The same does not apply to racism, of course, but people will try every excuse to get away with being d\*cks.
Some black dude called me a beaner but if I called him a n**ga they would’ve been MAD
I’ve literally never ever heard a black person say “beaner” ..
Because of brainwashing.
Uhh yeah that’s not a thing
Yeah it is, there's certain advantages to almost any group you can find. Being able to dismiss claims of racism because "I am black" would be a privilege based on race, so would things like affirmative action.
Yeah that’s just your white privilege talking.
Can you not? I agree with the person above. Black privilege is a thing imo. Not every person who disagrees is white ffs.
I'm glad I'm "privileged" enough to get discriminated against because of my race. Feels so good.
Oh yeah, I’m sure you’re “discriminated against” all the time. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, I’m sure you’ll be fine!
Theres a literal rule set in to discriminate by definition, based on race alone. What would you call that, if not racism?
Racism is a whole system of oppression and black people have been severely oppressed so they kind of have a point. But black people, just like any other group, are capable of having prejudices
>Racism is a whole system of oppression
No it's not. You cant just change the definiton of words to suit your agenda.
They can and they do
How can racism and systemic racism mean the same thing?
No. Racism is feeling one race is better than another. Oppression has nothing to do with it.
Yeah it does. If you would tweak your reading comprehension skills you'll see that I said black people can still be prejudice (think one race is better than others) but to be really and genuinely racist they would need power over other races, with they don't have
Prejudice based on race is the definition of racism, you are objectively wrong.
It’s funny you are talking about my reading comprehension when you don’t know the definitions of words. Prejudice isn’t racism. Prejudice is pre-judging someone based on observable characteristics. Racism is claiming one race to be superior to another.
Please, finish middle school and then we can continue the conversation.
You're not using these words correctly. Racism and institutionalized racism are two different things.
do you really think racism and oppression are 100% unrelated? because i feel like there’s a lot of overlap there
I didn’t say they were unrelated. What I’m saying is racism doesn’t require oppression.
Racism and institutionalized or systematic racism are different concepts for a reason. They are not the same thing.
Systemic racism is the big focus right now: The aspects of society where racism is rooted in policies, procedures, and standards that aren't overtly racist, but were created as a result of racial bias. There is no systemic racism against white people in the U.S., or most of the Western world, but there is systemic racism that negatively affects other POC.
It's not a denial of all racism. It's not saying POC are perfect and can't be prejudiced or racist towards others. The problem is these modern movements are focused on systemic and institutional racism, and racist/bigots drop the first part, and "REEE" about the just prejudicial racism.
Racism is so much more than just prejudicial.
Anyone who’s says they are above something just because the color of their skin or anything like that is just entitled and ignorant. We all need to rise above this and come together as humans.