As a white person living in the U.S., I want someone to tell me why at 29 years old I’m just learning about the Tulsa massacre from youtube? This is one of the evil acts that whites have committed against black people in our history and I should have learned about it.

As a white person living in the U.S., I want someone to tell me why at 29 years old I’m just learning about the Tulsa massacre from youtube? This is one of the evil acts that whites have committed against black people in our history and I should have learned about it.


I remember in high school early 70’s being Showed a picture of a black woman hung from a tree. All I could think about was that was someone’s mom or grandma.. it forever haunts me ...humans suck


Empathy is a powerful and wonderful thing - I wish more people would see things in that manner. Don't let it get you down - let that perspective lift you up, even if it's hard at times. It's an incredibly powerful tool that sadly too many people seem to be lacking lately.


Hard to be empathetic to a stranger when you're trying to survive. The system keeps people struggling so that they can't care about others. People have families to think about.


And someone's grandpa or grandma did it.


There is a lot of history that isn't taught in schools. Glad you found something that touched you so much that you hate the fact you weren't taught about it. There are countless numbers of those.


The one that always makes me sad is the annexation of Hawaii. Sure it isn’t soaked in blood, but it’s such a stark and cruel betrayal of a willing ally.


The list of things I don’t know keeps growing longer and longer. Now I will add this. Thanks for the comment, so I can learn.


You should look up the Barbary Pirates. Pretty crazy


It’s the other way round. The list of things you don’t know is getting shorter, your just more aware of your lack of awareness


Yeah the invasion was such a lopsided conflict and the statehood referendum was rigged


what happened exactly?


Also, before Hawaii was annexed, a few rich families purchased enormous portions of the islands from the local monarch for nearly nothing and now their descendants own it and make money from it and keep the people who’ve been on the island for hundreds of years off their land. It’s a sad story.


James Cook arrived in 1778 in Hawaii and immediately started growing/selling sugar cane which grew well on the islands. In 1835 the first permanent sugar plantation was established on one of the islands, and within 30 years there were three more of the islands with complete sugar plantations. Then of course the white plantation owners wanted a say in politics and a bigger chunk of the money, so they started advocating for more rights and cheaper exports to the United States so they could make even more money. This would eventually snowball into the expansion of the sugar cane industry that was owned mostly by the United States. Within 100 years the size of the sugar cane business grew from 980 Acres in 1835 to 12,000 acres, then to 125,000 acres by the end of 1891. Repeat the cycle of growth and wanting more land / power and Hawaii was annexed with the help of some of the local population and you guessed it, the United States military.


I'm pretty sure that the U.S. Government has a standard operating agreement somewhere that lays out the specific procedures for taking land and rights away from less powerful groups of people. This reads so parallel to what was done on the mainland to the indigenous peoples here over and over again.


Don't forget about how the US didn't like the current Hawaiian leadership (Queen Liliʻuokalani) and so they overthrew her because she didn't want to "play ball."


If you want to read more about it, I'd recommend Unfamiliar Fishes by Sarah Vowell. There's a good audiobook version if you'd prefer.


Thanks. I surfed around a bit out of curiosity. I kinda realized my mistake after I asked, as I know asking people on this site about controversial topics isn't exactly a reliable way to paint the picture.


Also read up on the Dole family (like the pineapple company) and their activity in Hawaii. A sad story really of how the Hawaiian people were treated. The famous song “Aloha Oe” (farewell to thee) was written by the princess and is basically saying goodbye to the Hawaiian people’s way of life when they lost their independence.


Willing NATIVE dark skinned ally. Those groups didn’t normally get dealt with in good faith.


For me it was Ho Chi Minh. He was such a fan of the USA and repeatedly sought the country's help in the decades before the Vietnam War. He even based the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence on the US one.


I see the negative effects of American colonialism every single day because of that illegal annexation of Hawaii. We are not a state, but an occupied land by an oppressive government.


Or the leper colony in Hawaii, that one fucked me up. Or fucking easter island too, fuck.


It really depends where you live Ik in the mid west and south west where there are a lot of native tribes they teach a lot more in depth history of the fucked up shit but I’ve met people from the south and east coast that don’t know shit about natives or the African American side of history in America or what happened to eśe’s and why things like weed are illegal


Definitely, i went to school on the west coast and we learned a ton about the Japanese internment camps and even did a day trip to visit manzanar. We learned about the Tulsa massacre, watched horrifying videos about the atrocities we committed in Vietnam. Almost everything people are talking about here, I learned in my public school. (Graduated hs 2013)


East coast HS 10 years earlier- and none of those things were more than things just sort of thrown out there. I went to an HBCU so ended up learning a lot of African American history there- but I was in law school reading Korematsu when i learned what was actually happening with Japanese internment camps. As a lawyer, i always point to that case as being the scariest since Dread Scott was overturned by legislature- Korematsu is still theoretically good law.


I went to school in a suburb of Tulsa literately less than 20 miles from where the massacre occurred and it was never taught in school. I didn’t learn about it until I was an adult.


i’ve had to learn about all this on my own, since in the south we learned about how gratifying it was to be in internment camps, how happy the people there were, how they got back together for reunions and had a grand old time reminiscing over their imprisonment, etc (this was in the 2000s). it was crazy. i grew up in an urban area too, where the population is actually quite left-leaning, but the state teaches what it wants to teach i guess.


Yeah it was taught to me in AP US history but I also live in Los angles and just graduated a year ago.


I checked my AP US textbook and it didn’t mention it by name. We didn’t learn about the Tulsa massacre by name. Just a variety of brutal riots and attacks around 1919-1921. We learned that they called it the Red Summer. We did at least learn a lot about the trail of tears, given that we’re in Georgia.


I grew up in the north east. I did not know Juneteenth was a thing at all until I saw the episode of Atlanta.




Wilmington, NC comes to mind.


What do you mean? I only ask because Wilmington is one place looking to move in the next five years or so…


Insurrection in 1898.


As someone who grew up and went to public schools in NC, why was I not taught this in school???


Because the people who did that terrible thing installed themselves in power and made sure future generations are oblivious to it.


And this is my concern about these anti-Critical Race Theory bills going around red states. Grade schools don’t teach CRT. They just don’t. It’s something you *might* touch on in a history or sociology or AA studies course in college. But the way these bills are worded, I fear the result will be that grades schools never touch on history that reflects badly on White Americans. Remember, Ruby Bridges, who had to be escorted to her school by the national guard, is in her 60’s. This is not ancient history for her.


Facts, and now they want to erase everything they have done. Well surprise have you heard of the internet. Can you erase all the people you've taken advantage of. Weather you teach it in school the relatives of those people will pass on that knowledge.


I'm pretty sure they would erase the internet if they could


Yep. What went down in Wilmington is horrible. And then having to swerve for a civil war statue on market street.


“Internment” camps…aka concentration camps for the Japanese during WW2! We may not have gone full nazi but it was flirted with; to the point of detaining people based on general criteria. My teacher didn’t elaborate much in high school when I asked. Thank god my Dad had history channel on 24/7.


What always bothered me about that shameful move. Was that it was never instituted against the outspoken ethic American Germans who supported the nazis way more then the west coast American Japanese were towards the empire of Japan.


Yes...imagine going to a southern Baptist Christian school...we didn’t even get sex ED! Let alone the “theory of evolution “...grrr


And not just in the US, every country has dark secrets that are not taught.


I don’t mean to sound like a turd... but I don’t know why weed is illegal in the US.. and I am US born and raised for the last 32 years 😅


>You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. \- John Ehrlichman, Assistant to President Nixon for Domestic Affairs


That quote is a bit questionable... although that certainly does fit the attitude.


That quote is extremely questionable. That dude got screwed by Nixon hated Nixon and wanted to get back at Nixon


True, its must just be coincidence that every effect Ehrlichman describes here was an actual effect of the drug war. It must, furthermore, be coincidence that black people are arrested 400% more for weed than white people despite equal rates of use between both groups.


I don’t think anyone disagrees with what the quote was saying. Just that the person who said it might not be credible due to the circumstance. But he was probably telling the truth lol


What's questionable? He's describing the drug war accurately. The CoIntelPro(gram) was another way they accomplished the same thing. Disrupting the organizing efforts of everyone Nixon referred to as "bums."


I think Nixon is on one of his tapes with his crew discussing it.


For those wondering, he really did say this, in 2016, in Harper's magazine (his Wikipedia page literally has it verbatim in a section called 'Drug War Quote'). This confession should really put to rest any questions about what motivated the War On Some Drugs.


For the record, they did not only made a point to associate weed with hippies, but also with Mexicans / Mexican Americans.


Short answer, Nixon started a war on drugs. Look that up if you want a case of wtf that really happened?


Not a big backer of the "William Randolph Hearst is King Bastard" school of thought on this subject?


Considering how things have been, a president starting a war on drugs for racist reasons just seems to be too plausible for me. William Randolph Hearst was a bastard, but I think Nixon was the one that culled them officially.


It's a compounding affect of racist profiteers. They all get credit for being evil fucks.


Yeah, I fully agree with you.


Weed was made illegal because of WRHs investments in industries that hemp would damage and to “keep the negroes and Mexicans from raping the white woman”


Weed is illegal because hemp is a superior product to regular paper and William Randolph Hearst owned most of the paper plants for his publications in the early 1900s. He published racist propaganda to demonize cannabis, and by proxy hemp, in order to protect his own profit motives. This has lead to generations of destroyed families via the war on drugs.


Racism, drug war…leads back to Nixon. The man that fucked America in the ass more than one time and for years to come.


You should see what he did to the Vietnamese.


Nixon hated hippies, latinos and black people... yeah that's pretty much it.


Cause you can grow it yourself and use it to substitute some pharmaceuticals, can’t have that


It took me walking around The Killing Fields to realize how evil we are. Its not 'them vs us'- IT IS 'us vs us.' We are all capable of horrendous acts. I wonder is it a luxury of not having to choose between Good vs Evil on a regular day?


No matter how many atrocities you teach there will always be something horrific you leave out because human is history is just one massive pile of desecrated bodies. On top of that the American education system is crap, and nearly every history/social studies class pre college level is basically just propaganda.


Maybe this was just the way my schooling was laid out (1st through 12 Catholic school in Ohio) - But I swear we learned about US history starting with the pilgrims every single year and we never made it much further than the Civil War. I did take a Vietnam War elective in HS that broke the cycle a bit.


“The pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock where they met the Indians and then had thanksgiving dinner and they were best of friends” “Now let’s move to Pearl Harbor where America saved the world from the Germans”


Then about 6th grade they update it slightly "Well, the early settlers not have been perfect towards the Indians. Some of the Indians didn't like them and they fought, but there were plenty of *good* Indians." I understand you can't drop really complex issues on kids, but whitewashing history isn't the way to make it more palatable. Thankfully I think schools are changing some.


Not all of them unfortunately. I just learned that Texas passed something that’s going to double down on the whitewashing. From “The Houston Chronicle” just yesterday: “Since The New York Times’ 1619 Project was published two years ago, Republicans across the nation have rallied against it — rejecting the project’s central ideas that slavery was far more integral to the country’s founding than commonly acknowledged, and that its remnants have a lasting impact on society. Now, Texas lawmakers have countered with a new effort to promote “patriotic education” — the 1836 Project, named for the year Texas declared independence from Mexico. As Gov. Greg Abbott signed the project into law this week, he declared that “we must never forget why Texas became so exceptional in the first place.” The measure, House Bill 2497, earned bipartisan support this session, passing the House by a vote of 124 to 19, and 22 to 9 in the Senate. It establishes a panel of nine political appointees tasked with educating about Texas history, whose work will mostly be found in informational pamphlets given to Texans receiving driver’s licenses. The committee will “promote awareness” of Texas’ past as it relates to “the history of prosperity and democratic freedom in this state,” according to the bill. But critics fear that goal — encouraging patriotism and highlighting the state’s successes — will leave out key parts of Texas’ history, including much of its history of racism.”


As a person who grew up in Texas, we had 2 years of Texas history and one year split between US history and world history. The Texas education system is primed to brainwash kids into a conservative worldview and it always had been (it took moving to the northeast to deprogram myself and learn the real history). This isn’t a new thing; it’s always been this way in Texas.


I'm gonna be honest, it really depends on where you are learning in Texas. There's a huge educational difference between somewhere like Austin and east or west Texas.


Growing up in the NJ, they taught us nothing about our state. Didn't even know that was a thing


Ah yes, *one of the good ones*. I remember following that logic for far too long before I gained an understanding that good people aren't just the ones that align with your thinking. I really wish there was even a single day course on morality and physchology


I'm 45 years old and I don't think anyone ever told me (until I read it at the museum in Plymouth a few years ago) that the Pilgrims were met by a Native American, speaking English, who had learned it from other English settlers further south. It always seemed that the Pilgrim's landing was completely detached from anything else European in North America. Also, that the Pilgrims ended up betraying the Native Americans after that whole feel good Thanksgiving thing.


Indians brought maize the pilgrims brought small pox.


Is that near Tennessee Beach at Normandy??


>“The pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock where they met the Indians and then had thanksgiving dinner and they were best of friends” The thing is, that's not too far from the truth. They were met by Samoset who even spoke to them in English when they arrived.


Mrs. Baxter?


Were you all given such a sterilized history lesson? I'm shocked when I read shit like that. I was in American public schools and they didn't shy away from the brutality and cruelty that happened. We weren't given lessons on the Tulsa Massacre, no. But the lessons weren't anything like what you're saying. When I read that I get the impression either your teachers were doing a piss poor job or you're just repeating outrage you read on the internet.


I went to a pretty decent schools and we never learned about the horrible things America did outside of MLK assassination and the civil right movement. All the history lessons I got made America look like we saved the world constantly. I mean yea as a 33 year adult I know other wise now but thankfully due to internet rabbit holes I know more that enough. Most def didn’t teach about put Japanese Americans in camps -_- Edit: I do think times will change moving forward due to internet but not sure if you have seen what the red states are doing but they are trying to ban teaching about racism in schools.


Public school in Indiana... we did the same thing. I thought we learned about westward expansion, but I think that was just because the teacher read us Little House on the Prairie after lunch. Basically we weren't allowed to go outside to play because we were too ill-behaved to sit still for the entire day.




Apparently a lot of my stories from grade school demonstrate how barbaric special ed was for high-functioning retards. It took me years to get to the privilege level where I could interact with my classmates. It would have only taken me a few months if I had known from the beginning how to hide when I was happy or frustrated. I could go maybe one or two weeks where I at least behaved well enough not to lose points, but then I'd have an off day and lose the progress from three good days.


Yeah, probably 75% of my history was just the same thigns repeated over and over again about how great America is in every way and never does anything wrong. I find it disgusting.


In the UK our school history classes were just as selective. - the Black Death - we had an empire and we found all this unused land, killed some savages and then we very nicely gave them jobs in the mines and such! - Also, we took all their treasures and keep them in museums for safekeeping, which is excellent because those barbarians don't like museums - a man was killed while eating a sandwich and then we fought the battle of the Somme and Ypres where we heroically saved the French. - 25 years later we singlehandedly saved France from the Germans again. Some yanks landed on a beach in the last few days and we graciously shared our victory with them. It's ludicrous how most of my knowledge of history comes from Crash Course videos .....


You left off the most important thing * Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.


As an American even I know this.


You forgot about the king with six wives and how everyone (him) was TERRIBLY upset that he didn’t have a boy, only for him to finally have a son (the wife dead, but who gives a f, there’s plenty more where he got those from) that drops dead young AND THEN his second daughter becomes a long-reigning queen and probably just as famous, if not more, than him. Also some random stuff about some child king in Egypt, which was our only concept that history existed outside of Europe and maybe the USA.


>only for his second daughter to become a long-reigning queen and probably just as famous, if not more, than him. Although "divorced beheaded died" is permanently etched in my memory, I had to Google who this was, and to my shame I have absolutely no idea who Mary I was. Time for a Wikipedia deep-dive ...


Lol my school felt obligated enough to introduce us to Mary I as ‘Bloody Mary who burned all the non-catholics’ but that was about it. I only found out more about her from the TED-Ed videos on YouTube. I have a lot of issues with YT, but I’ve learned more history on there than I actually did at school.


I’m looking on this from Germany and like, we don’t learn EVERYTHING but we learn a lot, and we watch hitler speeches and everything to make us understand what happened, and then I see our so portrayed saviours out there getting taught how they brought civilisation to the native people in Africa and America? We learn about colonialism, American history of race and a whole lot of other stuff and to me it seems like u get taught nothing. I don’t mean to be mean or anything I just don’t see how it’s possible to just not teach parts of history


Yeah, when I was younger I was very proud of my country for having an empire and winning wars. Then I got to my mid-teens and started learning stuff for myself, and I had to un-learn a lot of what I had been taught. In fairness, I went to a terrible school and people who went to better schools had a much better experience.


I'm glad that in Canada they hammered in the history of Residential Schools already in elementary school. But they totally turn a blind eye to anything going on with First Nations in the 20th century and beyond, like things magically became better.


I am from NJ and literally every year they taught us the same thing up through the Reconstruction era. I never learned about WWI or WWII in any of my regular history classes. I took an elective class on the Holocaust in high school, otherwise I never would have learned about it.


This entirely. We always made it to the civil war and stopped. The one american history class I had that was supposed to be split between pre civil war in the fall and post civil war in the spring was taught by a senile old man who would ramble about how they don't make Fords like they used to. He also was a Confederate civil war actor that would bring his buddies to the school once a year to teach us that "the Confederate battle flag is St. Peter's cross it has nothing to do about racism".


i’ve been saying this for years!!! literally, american schools just teach 1500-1940s and just stops. history doesn’t exist after that.


No that’s pretty much what my us history courses were like too. If it ever broke into the 1900’s it was basically condensed into the last month of the school year.


I learned about it from the one episode of HBO's Watchmen that I've seen.


That’s exactly how I learned about it as well. I originally thought it was fiction... till I looked it up


Same here, I had heard it mentioned in passing but didn't know any details until I looked it up after Watchmen.


I learned about it from John Oliver referencing that people weren't ready for that episode of Watchmen


While I find the show interesting, I kinda wished they divide it into two seasons, one focusing on the KKK and another focusing on the Vietnamese lady getting revenge on the US for taking over her country.


I agree with you. But TV shows get cancelled so often that I was just l glad we got an ending. I'm so tired of watching something where the show runners get tired of what they're making and give up after a few seasons or the network decides they don't want to continue it


I saw on Watchmen first, then on Lovecraft Country. I was wondering why they were copying each other and thought it was just a poor attempt to be more “woke” in light of the BLM protests. I looked it up and turned out to be real.


32 years old when I learned about it from Watchmen. Same story as OP, why the fuck isn’t this taught? Well, we know why. Systemic racism has white washed school curriculums throughout the country.


Im an American history professor and I didn’t know about it until Watchmen. Now I have several books and am assigning a whole unit to that event for my upcoming classes.


Bruh. How is that possible??


Check username.


Because history is literally EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED. It’s not weird that someone has holes in it regardless of how well read they are.


Yeah but... A massacre of such magnitude to go without even a cursory mention?


Youd be sueprised. There have been many massacres and genocides throughout history that were forgotten nearly. Like the Celtic "holocaust" by the Romans.


I guess I feel like my American history teacher should have spent at least an hour talking about a massacre that happened 2 hours away from me.


He said American history dude. That's not everything that has ever happened. Not even close.




Dude? Are you serious come on now


One of the criticisms I had about the show at the time was how farfetched and excessively violent that scene was. Then I looked up to find not only was it an actual event, but that they held back some of the crazier details in the show, like the air balloon gunman and bombers.


Now imagine how obnoxious you must sound to a black person who actually grew up knowing these things yet they still have to try and reason with you and others like you calling the lived experiences of their people exaggerated fabrications while listening to your “victim hood/ boot strap speeches”


That’s where I leaned about it, too. I was 45 when that episode aired.


I watched that episode and just assumed that they were doing some sort of exaggerated historical fiction like the original Watchmen. Then I heard a story about the Tulsa Massacre on NPR and lost my mind.


I honestly think Watchmen is to thank for educating the majority of us by bringing this atrocity to the mainstream, and probably was what made so many post TILs and stuff in it.


lol just told OP that that is how I found out about it


Yeah, I'm 42, just saw in the Watchmen tv show, thought it was fiction. I was completely shocked to find out it was real. Had never heard of it before, even though I went to some very rigorous schools. But when I was in school we were still celebrating Columbus and everything. Seems like curriculums are evolving to include more of this stuff.


Same. 30 and never heard about it til Watchmen and I grew up about 3 hours away - but that's how the Midwest works, right?


Well, the schools are attempting to correct this oversight, then we have a bunch of politicians freaking out that they may teach anything that shows USA in a poor light. I love my country. I can trace my maternal line back to 3rd ship at Jamestown and 2 families on the Mayflower. I have 2 ancestors that fought in the Revolution. I bleed red white and blue. But I know that we are far from perfect, we've done some really shitty things over the past 500 years and we need to learn from them to do better. Sweeping this painful history under the rug isn't helping.


THIS is patriotism! Loving your country while admitting its faults, not waving confederate flags and yelling at black and gay people....


The first time I heard about it, I was 34 and in a Master's level course.


US history concerning the 1900s-early 2000s isn't adequately covered outside of WWI/WWII. The US has been responsible for horrific atrocities in third world countries via the direct backing of various factions and to this day the information is still extremely difficult to read because of its brutal nature.


Our education system really does what it can to portray the US in a positive light. Bad stuff either never gets mentioned, or gets spun as a challenge we overcame. Look up the long, hot summer of 1968 for an even more egregious example.


> Look up the long, hot summer of 1968 for an even more egregious example. I was taught in school about Vietnam protests, violent Democratic Convention, assassinations, Mai Lai, Tet, Vietnam War at its height, Tet offensive. More generally regarding the 60s we were taught about the Civil Rights Movement, more assassinations. What did I miss? But I don’t remember being taught about the Tulsa killings.


How corporate money has ratfucked America.


A lot of HS curriculum in the US is produced by TX and shipped out nationally to TX standards. Their standards are real bad.


I'd believe that. I learned about the Holocaust and Trail of Tears like 6 separate times in high school. I learned next to nothing about black history. I was taught about Babe Ruth through a movie, and then very brief explanations of slavery/segregation. I did my own research of course, so I'm educated on it. Though I will say the school system did fail me, especially when it came to other cultures and ethnicities.


we watched roots in middle school not really any discussion just watched the movie


We watched that too in middle school, but it was a random choice for an English class.


I think sometimes, it's just a teacher that thinks everybody should watch a certain movie at least once. Doesn't necessarily directly pertain to the subject they teach, but they do it anyway. As for the discussion part, some of those topics could initiate a discussion that kids tell their parents about. Inevitably, a parent will get upset and cause trouble for the teacher. Then the teacher won't be allowed to show that movie next year. Sure, they could fight for their right to *actually teach* children ... but we all know how that is gonna end up. So they play the movie, and let the kids think about it on their own.


That's honestly what happened at the school I went to. There were way too many PTA moms with a bone to pick.


My school did not teach us about the Holocaust. We began every year learning about Christopher Columbus being the first person to set foot in America and we were lucky that one time we got to the Gold Rush. It didn't occur to me until much later that my teachers did not acknowledge that there were already people here, just "wild injuns."


I grew up in Texas and went to public school. Until I was a full grown adult, I truly thought the civil war was about states rights. Because through out elementary and middle school, I was taught that the civil war was absolutely not about slavery, it was about states rights and the economy. It was stated as a fact. I can't imagine what else I learned in school that's just another racist retelling of history.


Who else was taught that Civil War was really called "The War of Northern Aggression"?


That's just your school though and I think depends on the teacher. I grew up in Texas and we very much learned the Civil war was about slavery.


We also learned that the civil war was about slavery. I went to school in the south, and we were still taught that the civil war was basically evil slave owning southern states vs virtuous northern states. I thought it was all about the northern states wanting to free all slaves out of the kindness of their hearts.


From whose point of view do historical events get told? How are textbooks presenting historical events? How many point of views survive throughout the decades? Which points of views survive the history books?


As a dutchman we basically have an entire chapter on "yeah we did a whole lotta slavery" is it really that bad in your country?


We do learn about the American enslavement of Africans, and it does come up at multiple grade levels. But, it usually concludes with the slaves being freed when slavery was outlawed, and that's kind of seen as a happy ending.


We go in depth about how slaves were branded with hot iron and how they were stacked in ships in conditions so horribe a lot of them would die. Abd then that chapter kinda ends with: "we made a lot of money, wich was cool, was however not worth it because jesus christ this is horrible". And then you have the whole apartheid stuff wich also got detailed coverage and ends in "we really put a stop to this way too late".


We generally don’t get into the gory details of any history. Even the Holocaust is presented pretty clinically and the Japanese atrocities are hardly mentioned.


>Even the Holocaust is presented pretty clinically and the Japanese atrocities are hardly mentioned. My sister teaches elementary school in the US and has been doing so for almost 20 years. I had many conversations regarding this with her. There is literally too many historical events to fit into all one curriculum. A curriculum in elementary school is 1 year. The historical events they choose to put into the curriculum are chosen because they are the most prominent and pivotal (1960's Civil Rights movement for example). The reason why Tulsa is not taught in elementary school and high school is because there are too damn many historical events and Tulsa was not pivotal enough because there was a large gap between that event and the Civil Rights movement. Yes, Tulsa is important, but there are a lot of Tulsas. They didn't put Tulsa just like they didn't put the Houston Riots of 1917 because there are too many and the most pivotal gets chosen. Tagging /u/Kaje26, hoping it answers his question


A lot of what you get out of the american education system depends on where you are in america. Like most things is actually really hard to equate to European countries because of the vast difference in make up of the US vs European nations (individually I mean) When I was in middle/highschool we did go over how bad slavery was in general and (some of) the awful things that happened to native Americans over the years, we didn't spend a lot of time on it though. Just enough to give context to the various wars where those details were relevant and to the civil rights movement (which is about where my american histories class left off, some time around the mid 1960s)


What's up withe Black Pete stuff you've got going on over there?


Our school was more like "the end of slavery was supposed to be a happy ending, but the former slaves were too stupid to know that they needed to use the money they were getting to buy food and pay their rent."


American History according to the text books in Florida: Once upon a time, there were people that practiced a different religion than the rest of their country so they moved across the ocean and established a colony, and lived in harmony with the native people. More people arrived, and eventually there were thirteen colonies. The overseas government was horribly oppressive and taxed them way too much, so they threw tons of tea into the water and war ensued. The colonies won. Hurray! Five (?) old white men write one document declaring that the colonies are independent, and then write a bill of rights which (psst) only really applies to white people. At this time, black people are only considered 3/5ths of a person. Following this there’s some wars with the French and the Native Americans, and two men befriend this wonderful Native American Lady who guides them on an expedition to see the other half of the country. The white people are like “it’s God’s Plan for us to settle this land” so they just take it. Then we get to the Civil War. The country gets split up into north and south. The north thinks slaves should be treated like white people but the south needs slaves to run their plantations and disagrees. Ulysses Grant is the good guy, Robert E Lee isn’t the bad guy per say, he just runs the South. The book’s very vague about it. Harriet Tubman is pretty cool, though. There’s a lot of death and destruction — one guy marches his army all the way to the sea, destroying everything in his path. Lincoln gets assassinated. At the end of the war, the slaves are freed, but there’s a bunch of roadblocks in the way like Jim Crow laws and segregated water fountains. A group of nine little black children tries to go to a white school and gets harassed by the community to the point where the president has to tell them to suck it up. A black woman named Rosa Parks doesn’t get up from her seat on the bus for a white guy and gets arrested, which is very brave. Then this guy named Martin Luther King comes along, and he has a dream. He marches in Washington. He tragically gets shot on a balcony and passes away in Tennessee. White people and black people are completely equal now. The end!


This is exactly how 'history' class was taught in my K-12 years, you just had to memorize a story. I'm pretty sure I had good teachers after that who went the extra mile and expanded on most of those stories... There is no way major history can be as simple as that, and it doesn't make sense to live in a fairy-tale world.


I'm 30yrs old Hispanic in Austin Texas. I recently learned about this by a black friend in college when I was 26yrs old . I was so disappointed with the education system.


There’s an absolute mountain of information regarding racism and specifically white people mistreating black people that just doesn’t get taught. One that always shocks me is the Tuskegee Study. Absolutely disgusting what they did to those poor men. The information is out there and readily available but no teacher will ever point you in it’s direction unfortunately


Depends on where you live and who teaches you, I was taught about it


Same here.


Rural Arkansas dropping in. I was salutatorian in high school and went to college for eight years and was valedictorian. I mention those things because I didn't just skate through all those classes and just ignored a lot of information. I'm getting upset and uncomfortable at how many events are being tossed out in this thread that have previously been unknown to me.


I hear you there. Rural Wisconsin Valedictorian here, and I didn't learn about Tulsa until AFTER college, Jim Crow was mentioned but never elaborated on, Tuskegee was mentioned as a "this was bad, don't do this"...I've briefly heard many of these things mentioned but never explained or put into a broader context of what they mean. What I'm finding is many places might mention things or say "this happened" but not go into the CONTEXT to actually give the events meaning. Everyone learns about Pearl Harbor in the US education system, for example - but usually it's along with "we got bombed in surprise so that's why we joined the war" and that's about it. No detail about how the bombing was SUPPOSED to take out two major aircraft carriers that weren't even IN Pearl Harbor because they were moved back to CA ports (days?) earlier for refits - and if they were taken out it could've seriously changed the outcome of the war. Not to mention we potentially may have (there's debate there) moved them out purposefully because we caught wind that something might be going down. And that's just one item! The broader context sheds a whole lot of new light on the event and how it affected things. "Rosa Parks didn't give up a seat" - no, there's way more to it, and she also WASN'T the first one to do it - she just got the most attention for it. (Not downplaying her by any stretch at all by that statement, just trying to illustrate how things are not always picture-perfect representations of what happened). I try to find out the who/what/where/when/why of a situation as much as possible to not look at things through a narrow lens - just because we can only see out one window from one side of the house doesn't mean there aren't other things going on all around the building. I really wish US education systems would teach more "critical thinking" or nurture individuals to explore things further (and the proper sources for information - not some Wiki article or Buzzfeed/YouTube/etc thing presented by someone to spread garbage online). Then again, I'm not exactly sure how much school systems have changed since the mid to late 90's. "Thank you for coming to my Ted talk"! Felt good to get that off my chest - I totally feel the whole "upset and uncomfortable" thing - I'm right there with you!


We actually did learn about this one. We had to watch the movie about it in phys ed as an example of what stds do...


Look up the 1985 MOVE Bombing. The Philly PD dropped a bomb on a black neighborhood killing 11 people.


I moved to the he greater Philadelphia area about 20 years ago and just found out about that nightmare. It's incredible. Edit: I believe it was the OA State Police that did the bombing. Philadelphia mayor was the one to tell the fire department to just let it burn.


It was insanely fucked up. Another example of a similar thing happening was the Battle of Blaire Mountain. The US government hired mercenaries and the army to put down a coal miner strike. They used biplanes to bomb the miners. The government has a long history of atrocities like this


When you consider Americans' ignorance about the history of labor in this country and our current lack of a living wage and accessible healthcare, it makes a lot more sense.


Once had a conservative older guitar student of mine (“states rights!”) try to tell me that Labor Day wasn’t created to commemorate the labor movement (when I told him, he said “can’t believe everything you hear “)


Anyone fancy giving me a quick summary of the event? I'm British and we have enough of our own massacres to keep track of


> The Tulsa race massacre took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of White residents, many of them deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked Black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, US. Alternatively known as the Tulsa race riot[10] or the Black Wall Street massacre,[11] the event is among "the single worst incident[s] of racial violence in American history".[12] The attacks, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood – at the time the wealthiest Black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".


Thank you kind stranger


I’m a 31 year old black guy raised in the U.S. and I didn’t find out about it until last year. A lot of people didn’t know about it. This tells me that our curriculums in school were created to paint this country in the best light possible. There are so many other atrocities that I’ve found out about since then.


I love that you love Aldi as much as I do


And republicans want to erase *more* from the books than already is.


I'm an American, and I'm not saying this on any "this counyrty is evil and I hate it" stuff. But here it is: The United States is a young nation, compared to others. And it didn't get on its feet so quickly just with pure elbow grease and good old fashioned American ingenuity. There was trampling of rights, attempted erasure of native identity, and racial mistreatment of all kinds by the ruling class because the laws were made in their favor. America likes to present itself as a bastion of freedom where everyone has a shot at the big time. But the truth is, we hide things about our past that are ugly because it would otherwise tarnish that squaky clean image. EDIT: Sorry for the typos. Writing this on mobile is not easy as it used to be.


Check out Stuff You Should Know’s podcast on this. One of the best I’ve heard.


Wait until he discovers the slaves


Sorry to tell it, it gets worse. A lot worse.


Don't feel too bad, I'm 43 and only learned about while watching the Watchmen series on HBO last year. Had to look it up and was horrified. I had never even heard of Juneteenth until trump got blasted for wanting to hold a rally on the same day in Tulsa.


I’m surprised! I did a whole project on it in a Midwestern high school honours history class. Edit: After looking through this thread, I’m tempted to send my old, white, US history teacher a little gift basket or something. I had no idea how bad it was other places. We learned about all this shit, read excerpts from Howard Zinn’s **A People’s History of The United States** to compare to the school’s textbook, and spent two whole weeks learning about traditional Native American governmental systems. It’s crazy how much a single teacher can shape your experience.


Same reason why as a Black person I didn’t learn about until I took ethnic studies course in college.


I grew up in Tulsa and only found out about it when I turned 28. I was taught about it by an African American Uber driver when I was travelling in LA. I was also a little disappointed but not surprised that we weren't taught this.


Because "It would sew division in the country". Read "we want to forget everything bad we did and pretend like it never happened."


History class in schools is just USA fan fiction. Did you learn about the massacre at Wounded Knee or are they still calling it a 'battle'?


I didn’t know about it until I read The Given Day by Dennis Lehane in my early 40s. I love history and it’s hard to believe that this was not widely known until now.


It has been in various text books for decades. I learned about it as a kid. A few years ago it was brought up again when it was a major plot point in the show Watchmen. Major newspapers went more in depth about it because of the show.


History teacher here, hopefully this provides a bit of context about what it looks like on our end. 1. We simply don’t have time to teach about every thing that has happened in US History. My department was just going over our curriculum map the other day and it’s amazing the amount of stuff that he have to cut out just because there isn’t time. We were seriously talking about doing the entirety of the Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe administrations in just a single day of class for next year. In a US History course, we only have time for so much stuff and we need to get to a certain point in history by a certain time. And this is coming from NJ, where at least we divide US history into 2 years, most states do all of US in one year. Stuff has to get cut. 2. History is taught thematically and what doesn’t fit the theme is usually the first to get cut when it comes to content. Teaching US history through the theme of race is a fairly new phenomenon. Be prepared for a shift to match that in the next decade or so. That does, however, leave a lot of room for individual teachers to add in stuff they find interesting or important. I’m fascinated by the Indian Wars, so I always make sure to leave time to spend a few days on them. Teachers also don’t know everything there is to know about US history. I only learned about the Tulsa Massacre last year. 3. All this above is assuming that all we ever do is content. It doesn’t take into consideration skill building days, in class essays, test days, projects and presentations, random assemblies that admin has decided to have during our class time, sicknesses, sports absences, etc. not to mention kids who are in class who just aren’t paying attention.


Why isn't this the top answer?


Dude if you learned half the shit any nation did in history class youd think WTF. Schools try to cover major points in history (not saying it isnt major) or atleast ones that will paint america or whatever country your from in a good light


As TheOnlyMowgli pointed out, there are tons of atrocities that weren't taught in school. But just because they weren't doesn't mean that there is some agenda behind it. There could have been, of course, but maybe the school opted to teach something else in it's place instead. Also, I don't know even know what good it does to go through and teach people, especially kids, every single atrocity that has happened to black people in the country. I mean, even in history class we don't learn about every war or person to invent something. After a certain point you have to move on, and let the examples that were used be enough to let the lesson sink in.


I agree with you, to a point. I think where I'd digress is that most schools taught the biggest events and catylists of our prejudiced past from the formation of the country until the 1950s BUT those things can feel like they are so far removed that they're not really *real.* This sort of under reporting in the modern era can lead to instances where, as in my own case, people can think that the level of racism and racially motivated violence in the decades following desegregation is much lower than it really is. That is a fantastic avenue that can lead someone to thinking "Well, I'm not really racist so most people probably aren't either." And for me, *that* led me to think "Blacks are treated just fine now...mostly. and they've have had plenty of time to "get over it" so they need to do better and stop getting arrested so much." Of course, it's so much more complicated than that mentality. And I think schools in my area are generally improving how they teach this past of US history but, man...I really wish I'd been taught that those sort of atrocities were way more normal and way more recent than the impression I had been left with.


I think this is what a lot of people miss: there’s always more to history that isn’t taught than is. The majority of history is not taught, schools (for the most part) try to find the most influential and consequential events in history to touch on but there’s a lot of history to teach and not much time to teach it. I would bet that most historians and other people who dedicate their lives to learning history know of dozens of atrocities committed throughout the past 1000 years that are never mentioned in school.


You’re gonna be in for a surprise when You hear the real stories about a lot of shit. Hold onto your butt


on a positive note; revealing your country's sad/tragic history is not only an act of courage, but shows how much great of a nation it is. I learned Philippine–American War(1899-1902) the hard way.


wait till you find out about us intervention in latin america or syphilis experiments or vietnam related experiments in puerto rico… the blindness the US creates keeps non rich white ppl distancing themselves from POC, when in reality they have much more in common with POC than any rich white person


Oh boy, aren't you on for a ride..


history is written by the victors


There is so much insane history they never teach us. I went to some high level classes in college for medical history and let me to tell you, the US has been the bad guy in many cultures stories. The things they did to anyone who wasn't white, the natives... Will change you once you know it. History was wrote by the victors and they had to make sure when we left highschool we were still gung-ho for America! How else would they get us into the military or college to become money making cogs? You have been lied to and lied to by omission. It's fucked. The world isn't as it seems.


I'm 58 and had never heard of it until the CNN special.. It really made me think hard about what else is out there that I don't know..


Sadly there's a lot of things in history we don't know because schools won't teach it