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By far the most Wholesome Uncle Iroh Moment!

By far the most Wholesome Uncle Iroh Moment!

MonotonousDivergence

Just some wholesome uncle and nephew bonding.


slickedup225

My other favourite is when Iroh is captured by an Earth Kingdom general and troop in S1 and he pretends that his cuffs are hurting him and need to be adjusted. He then uses this opportunity to burn his captor's hand and escape with Zuko's help. If you've ever wondered where Azula's habit for manipulation and deceit comes from, well now you know. The funny thing is that Azula uses this exact strategy back against Iroh when she pretends to surrender in "The Chase" while surrounded and uses the opportunity when Iroh's guard is down to burn him and escape. Another reason why I think Iroh and Azula are actually very similar.


DoctorGoFuckYourself

I would love to see something about Iroh and Ozai when they were young. The only things Ozai ever really says about Iroh in the show are a few offhanded insults but I'm so curious what they're relationship would've been like early on, with Iroh in line for the throne and Azulon as less of an old man Was Iroh always somewhat lighthearted, even if his conquering days and before? Did he have a Zuko style arc that brought him to be kinder? Or did he use his tricks to do some bad shit ala Azula?


JackAttack2003

I would love for this to be fleshed out a bit. IMO, it doesn't need a whole series but even a short visual novel would be great.


Kaenal

I could be wrong and just remembering someone’s head canon, but I think it was both Iroh was old enough not to be that close in age to Ozai (and then not having a close sibling relationship because of the gap) and Ozai straight up not liking him all that much to begin with most of his life


GWENDOLYN_TIME

Seems likely. Iroh is clearly quite a bit older than Ozai.


thoruktor

I feel like it would have kind of been an inverse zuko/azula power dynamic. Iroh being the level headed honorable version of azula, "born lucky", naturally superior bender, but with selfish ambition tempered by just and fair morality where it wasnt drawn out by fire nationalizm. Whereas Ozai was the "lucky to be born" always struggling to achieve the same greatness as his older brother who was destined to be king. I can see it giving a human morale to Ozai's betrayal for the throne, a childhood of not quite measuring up, mixed with the ambition and superiority that are so interwoven in his (and eventually his daughters) very being.


yersiniaD

I feel that. I think there was also an element of, oh Iroh is out seeing the world, sending back supplies from conquered areas(headcanon: the fire nation relies heavily on earth kingdom agriculture due to their smaller and volcanic landmass), and Ozai was "the spare" left at home to learn politics and backstabbing.


thoruktor

Mmmm yes more mirrors. Zuko banished vs azula kept home until special needs arise.


eliwood98

I always interpreted Iroh's morality as being something that was, in large part, born of his sons death. He was a very successful general in the army, and only stopped conquering when his son died, which I think was a real come to Jesus moment for him, so to speak.


thoruktor

Oh no doubt it changed a lot about him. But i never see him as the "what better to use as bait than fresh meat" kind of general. Id interpret it as he was ride or die fire nation pre Ba Sing Se, then realized that what he saw as good in the world wasnt what they were fighting for. Like he had a list of justifications before that the loss of Lu Ten shattered for him. Much the same as how S1 Zuko isnt nearly as ruthless as Azula at any point, but at that time he is still convinced of the right of his nations side in the war.


captanspookyspork

Iroh probably also started changing while exploring the world though conquest. It's hard to believe ur the good guy when ur seeing the results of ur actions not just propaganda. That's why he probably went with zuko so he could give zuko a tour of the world to change him.


DStarAce

I think also something that comes with being a warlord is that you see a wide range of different cultures, even if you're attacking them. History is filled with reports of conquerors having great respect for aspects of their conquests culture, I can see that creating the seed for Iroh's change which was then triggered by his son's death.


thoruktor

Being a good warlord at least. Anyone can wage heated engagement with the best strategy they know, but a true conqueror will acknowledge his opponents strengths, and make use of them himself. Which of course is Iroh to a T.


wastetheafterlife

I totally agree with this - it would also give a bit of a reason why ozai treated zuko like that. he had the "weakness" beaten out of him, so he thinks it's right to do the same. plus somehow I think that mr. azulon "go kill my other grandson so you feel your brothers loss" was maybe not the greatest parental figure


Myth0logic

Or greatest grandparental figure. Like wtf, you lost a grandson and now you want your second son to kill your second grandson to feel the pain of the first son? Do you want to talk about what happened to you?


No-Needleworker8947

Tbf we only ever get that one scene with Azulon, we don't really know what he's like. It's my head canon that he wasn't seriously ordering Ozai to kill his son, just give him a sense of his brother's current position and strife. Ozai just decided to use that as an excuse to convince Ursa to go along with his plot.


UnluckyTest3

I believe there is a comic called "The legacy of the Fire nation". It is narrated by Iroh as a letter to Zuko and it talks about the much deeper history of the Fire nation, as well as a bit of Iroh's and Ozai's childhood


EL_Assassino96

Wow what where?


JSKNY2201

I’ve been trying to find a PDF online but no luck Here’s the [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Last-Airbender-Legacy-Nation/dp/1683833929) link. You might be interested in the “Ozai and the Crown” preview image


darktsukih8u2

Yes there is ! Read it kinda recently online - I don't remember the specifics on Iroh-Ozai relationship, but I remember that being cited in one of the letters


jonsnow121

How did u read it online


LawrenceofIndia

Ahoy matey. I also saw them at Barnes and noble.


LiliVonStoop9001

I think it was pretty heavily implied if not outright said that Iroh and his entire outlook on life was changed by the death of his son. He was probably very similar to Ozai, possibly even worse as he would have been raised to be the heir to the throne and likely ended up with a superiority complex like Azula. Had his son not died I think Iroh would have gone down as one of the strongest fire benders in history and would have conquered and ruled the world with an iron fist much like his brother tried to.


Galkura

I wonder if the loss of his son caused him to sort of “lose” his fire bending in a similar manner to Zuko. He had so much grief, rather than rage/anger, that he was not able to truly bend anymore. This could have changed when he came across the Sun Warriors and the Masters, and they showed him the true nature of fire bending. This in turn would cause him to further his spiritual journey and become enlightened as he was. That’s at least the head canon I’m sticking with unless there’s something else.


zuzg

Damn not once I considered that he met the sun warriors after his sun died... But that makes actually the most sense, minding that he protected the dragons and made up a story to cover them.


RhysA

Didn't he already have the title Dragon of the West at that point and that title only comes from killing a Dragon (or in Irohs case pretending he had)? Wouldn't that imply it was before his sons death?


Assassiiinuss

Maybe he visited them twice? He could have spared the dragons the first time around because he simply didn't see the point in killing them. And after his son's death he might have returned to actually learn from them.


thatshoneybear

I thought there were other dragons that he killed. I have no way to back this up, but I thought there was a whole population of dragons, and he killed all but those last couple. Plus the dragons wouldn't have taught him anything if he was still the same guy who tried to conquer the earth kingdom. He must have had some character development before then i.e. son dying I could be totally wrong.


RhysA

The Fire Nation killed off the other dragons, not Iroh (Zuko mentions the title was a very prestigious one but not exclusive to him.).


-dunsparce-

The dragon population was hunted to near extinction, almost definitely by multiple people other than Iroh. He spared the last two dragons but said he killed them so that nobody else would try to


queen-of-carthage

Iroh was already a better person than Ozai, because he actually loved his child and wasn't just using him for his own gain like Ozai


PvtXoltyXolty

Let’s get that “What if Lu Ten didn’t die” episode.


agathokakologicalme

You mean he would have ruled with an... Iroh fist?


EremiticFerret

I always had the opinion that Iroh was not the good person we see until some time after his son's death. Seeing him before that battle of Ba Sing Se could be quite jarring.


Dreamwalker_

From the letter Iroh sent back home from Ba Sing Se: "I hope you all may see it someday, if we don't burn it to the ground first" How black the humour in there might be....


cas47

I’d love to see a spin off show about his time as a general


EremiticFerret

I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting or I wouldn't watch it, just that it may be shocking to see lovable uncle Iroh 10 years younger incinerating Earth Nation civilians.


cas47

Oh absolutely— seeing how they’d handle it (and maybe getting to see the immediate aftermath of his son’s death) would be fantastic for that reason


EremiticFerret

First season of him and his son during the war, finale being Ba Sing Se. Second season him being miserable and lost. Third season him rediscovering himself ending with leaving with Zuko for Zuko's exile. I'm 100% on board!


cas47

Oh I would watch the hell out of that show


HobbiesJay

Hes shown cracking jokes while fucking up Ba Sing Se, so that's just how he rolls. He's intelligent and very clever and makes use of any advantage he can find, but I wouldn't call him manipulative like Azula who's a straight up sadist and enjoys it. Azula does it for fun where as Iroh simply makes use of deception as a reasonable tactic in battle. Azula creates those weaknesses because it comes naturally to her and she's been like that from a young age.


ragnarocknroll

We know he visited the Dragon Masters and told people he killed the last of them to protect them. Perhaps this was the start or culmination of that arc of redemption?


unclemandy

I feel Iroh goes through a redemption arc much like Zuko does, but his is much more subtle, and arguably the result of a much longer process to unlearn decades of harmful beliefs and behavior (note that when the show begins his son has been dead for about 5-6 years, and his apparent laziness may come from a place of antipathy and depression)


ksa20

At which point did he then sneak off to do the ritual with the original fire benders? I assume it had to be after his fire nation deprogramming.


kitzdeathrow

Before the Seige of Ba Sing Sa. We don't have an exact time for it, but likely before he became a general in the Fire Nation Army while he was traveling around the world as a young man.


ninjablade46

Likely when he became dragon of the west, I feel like it's heavily implied that was ealier, I think for irohs change he always had to be a little softer than some of the others, as evidenced by his gifts to zuko and azula


igorchitect

It was when they were killing off all the dragons and these two were the last ones and he told everyone he killed them but didn’t really cause they said he was worthy or something


Nmilne23

“These shackles are far too loose, they’re bumping up against my wrists and it hurts. Will you please tighten them?” And then hits em with the badass steam move from his fuckin nose. Dragon of the west!!


futurepaster

At the end of the day iroh is still the son of azulon. Be spent decades preparing to be his replacement. Always gotta keep that in mind


batteryChicken

>He then uses this opportunity to burn his captor's hand and escape with Zuko's help. He doesn't manage to escape at that point. He rolls down the hill a bit before the earthbenders recapture him. He escapes when Zuko finally catches up to them, where the earthbenders were in the process of CRUSHING IROH'S BOUND HANDS WITH A GIANT BOULDER. Their reasoning here is to prevent Iroh from further firebending, even when he didn't really use his arms when he heated up the shackles. It was some sort of breath technique. So yeah, let's not indict Iroh's escape attempt with a bit of heated metal (which couldn't have been THAT hot since he was also wearing them) compared to the pretty unwarranted prisoner mutilation those Earthbenfers were about to commit.


JusticeRain5

While I'm not disagreeing about any other parts, the "Not being THAT hot" thing seems a bit odd. I assumed that firebenders were partially immune to their own temperatures, otherwise they'd probably burn their own hair off in half the fights they get into (like when Ozai was tossing around fire in the final battle while keeping his luscious locks pristine).


batteryChicken

That's fair enough. The Earthbenders afterwards seem fine though, as far as his hands were concerned, so it's possible he wasn't burned as badly as he was surprised. Granted the show doesn't show too many people disfigured through firebenders burning them. From memory there are only 2 characters I recall ever showing any burn scars in 3 seasons.


Affectionate_Meat

Iroh: Mildly hurts a guard to escape Azula: Literally tries to murder her Uncle ThEy’Re ThE sAmE


C_2000

Iroh: literally murders civilians, sends his own people in to die, laughs about burning a city of civilians to the ground He'S NOt tHaT bAD


DatumInTheStone

I love that Iroh was previously a horrible conqueror. That part of him did not disallow his spirituality but paved the way for it.


reddit_censored-me

>If you've ever wondered where Azula's habit for manipulation and deceit comes from Honestly highly, highly doubt this!This seems very much like bad fanfiction. Manipulation would be one of the first things taught to a royal by their parents. And Azula has been shown to be manipulative in her childhood.Pretty much one of the biggest flaws of Iroh ATLA fans agree on is that he did not / could not save Azula the same way he saved Zuko. He did not teach her to behave that way.


C_2000

It's not saying he specifically taught her, just that they're extremely similar


Ianoren

Couldn't possibly be from her father who manipulated everyone in his life and schemed to become Crown Prince by betraying his own brother, then went on to commit mass genocide.


macrob25

Bonding through Bending


Kusko25

> Just some wholesome uncle and nephew ~~bonding~~ bombing


CupOCino

bending*


TheChainLink2

Iroh: _It’s a long, long way to Ba Sing Se-_ Also Iroh: **_You mess my with my nephew, then you’re in my death queue_**


Nanaue7

***Squish squash, sling that slang. I'm always right back at ya. Like my boomerang!***


POKing99

I calls it easy! Like I paddled my canoe, I’ll paddle yours too!


Reaper_Messiah

That’s right, I’m Sokka! It’s pronounced with an Okka. Young ladies, I rock ya.


what_ok

ehhh that's too many syllables bub


Reaper_Messiah

AGHHHHHH ^…poetry


Beejsbj

Should end with ".. I'm toph" cause everyone knows toph rocks everything.


Scyhaz

That's Right, I'm Sokka, It's Pronounced With An 'Okka,' Young Ladies, I Rocked Ya!


WorseDark

*Squish squash, sling that slang.* *I'm always right back at ya.* *Like my boomerang!* **I'm not a bot made by u/Eight1911. I detect a sick haiku.**


moparmajba

You, internet person, are a poet.


TheChainLink2

Thank you!


DhHammer

Genuinely an impressive rhyme


Bojack07

He had a complicated past, runs in the family I guess.


Vivec_lore

Interview with Iroh of the Fire Nation. Grand Master of the Order of the White Lotus, detailing his first encounter with Avatar Aang: *"So anyway I started blasting"*


GoodAtExplaining

Article by Ongo Gablogian


CrumblingAway

Tha aaht collectah


someguywhocanfly

devito would be an amazing parody iroh


arfelo1

DeVito could also be a perfectly good live action version of Iroh. The dude can be a very good dramatic actor when he puts his mind to it


BlueWolf934

*The Gaang Has Gun Fever* It's Always Sunny in Ba Sing Se


Ianoren

Well remember, Aang did interupt his nap. He was only out for a couple minutes before all the fighting. So can you really blame him? Aren't we all a little homicidal when you interrupt our sleep?


TheOtherTyler

has anyone else ever noticed that Iroh rarely firebends? Even when he is in a fight, he uses pure technique and strategy to take out his opponents


Obsoleteocelot

The best example of this is the belly barrage used against Azula.


asdf346

He doesnt need to fuel his powerful firebending bending with rage and anger, he visited the grandmasters so it makes sense he uses pure technique


schmeagles96

😌


bastidon54

Is this the only time Uncle Iroh ever attacked Aang?


Ianoren

What about emotionally when he reassures him power is overrated compared to love?


Laphing_Drunk

At the end of Book 2 it seems like he's steering Aang away from achieving the avatar state but then in book 3 Yangchen basically tells us that Patik was wrong about needing to disconnect from the world.


FireTempest

Yes I believe this is the only time Iroh ever directly attacks the Gaang.


NadaTheMusicMan

It's easy to forget Iroh's character arc


Mansmer

All I can say is this. If Iroh REALLY wanted to kiil Appa he could've totally shot lightning.


2leftf33t

This is what I tell people, Iroh totally pulled that fireball to the side, he knew where the spark rocks were, and he totally knew the avatar was in Ba Sing Se.


Virid514

I don't know why, but Everytime someone writes Ba Sing Se, i read it like Bá..Síng..Sé...


2leftf33t

Right, sorry, would you like some tea 🍵?


Virid514

Don't worry, and thanks for the tea 🍵


diasfordays

Spark rocks?


2leftf33t

Yeah, the spark rocks to light the fire, to heat the water for tea 🍵 ? Would you like some? It’s Jasmine. :D


diasfordays

Oh dang. I completely forgot about that part lol.


StillTomorrow

Zuko was "the missing white lotus tile" too.


PMJackolanternNudes

yea, this is just a joke post. If anyone takes it serious they're dumb. He clearly wasn't serious. We later learn he was already against Ozai pretty much and that he was more than capable of killing Appa if the mood striked him.


shyantin

Yep. It would have been instinct, like shooting a school shooter, if the Avatar's interest didn't already align with his. Inaction is the strongest action sometimes.


DrakAssassinate

People in this sub gloss over his past so easily. Some even finding ways to justify or say they don't know. Leading a war in an army that has committed multiple atrocities is bad enough. He did change, and I would say that he redeemed himself when he set Ba Sing Se free.


PlatyPunch

I’ve always wondered if after his son’s death, did Iroh go through a similar metamorphosis as Zuko did in season 2. Which would explain why he had such an intimate knowledge of what his nephew was going through


That1one1dude1

Probably. Pretty sure that’s when he was rumored to have visited the spirit world and “slain” the last dragon.


Dad2376

We were talking about this in class the other day actually. My friend looked it up and she said Iroh met the dragons before he invaded Ba Sing Se. I'd assume he visited the Spirit World more recently though. Might want to look it up though to verify.


ShadedPenguin

Here’s my theory on Iroh’s past. He was a patriot, despite being in the White Lotus, he knew he had to continuo the war in a way that could limit casualties on both sides, and also try and make it so when the Avatar did arrive, the Avatar wouldn’t have much a headache in keeping peace. He was fully ready to be Fire Lord, and he probably thought that if the Fire Nation won it would’ve been easier for everyone. Fire Nation winning also simplifies two things. If there was no more Avatar, because 100 years there’s bound to be doubts as there was, then at the very least unity under the Fire Nation would exist. If there was the Avatar still, Iroh would acquiesce to them and refree the Earth Kingdom. He was gifted an Earth General’s knife that called him honorable, so he was most likely at least avoided needless casualties. It was probably after his failed assault on Ba Sing Se, the death of his son, and then his father dying and Ozai being firelord did Iroh probably find himself as his absolute lowest. Probably as low or even lower than Zuko felt when Ozai first burned him. At his lowest, he probably found himself spiritually, both figuratively and literally. His patriotism finally wearing away and Iroh now realizing that even if a world post Avatar was under the Fire Nation, it would still be a terrible place. But with the respect gone after failing to capture Ba Sing Se, the ability to be Fire Lord taken by Ozai, he had nothing. His spirit journey however probably gifted him the best thing, knowledge and hope of the Avatar’s survival. This is my explanation for why Iroh was always a good person, and for why Iroh and Zuko were mucking around in the middle of nowhere in Southern Water tribe territory.


ILoveCavorting

Instead of clean Wehrmacht myth we got the clean Iroh myth.


Open_Message_7536

Irohboos


ILoveCavorting

I'd say teaaboos but that's already for fans of British stuff.


F1ndTheBook

What happened in Ba Sing Se?


Alighten

Iroh and the White Lotus society liberated and freed Ba Sing Se from Fire Nation occupation.


oWatchdog

What are you talking about? There is no war in Ba Sing Se...


Betito117

Thank iroh and the white lotus for that


QRobo

...so it's treason then.


Daedalus871

Well, his first time there he ended up breaking a wall and killing a bunch of people.


drdre398

I would say it was the act of leading the army directly in combination with his son's death at the hands of the enemy soldiers that made him as wise as he was. It's very hard to have wisdom without the experience to back it up


QRobo

People say Hitler was bad... but he did kill Hitler.


Yesnoperhapsmaybent

"See Zuko? Now we're BOTH accountable"


CaptainBananaAwesome

Always support your families interests, even if those interests are warcrimes.


Milliuna

Those who napalm together, stick together.


Evening-Raccoon7088

Iroh also had a redemption arc. His started when his son died and culminated when he betrayed his country to save the world from Zhao.


PMJackolanternNudes

He wasn't betraying his country by stopping Zhao if he truly believed the whole world was at risk. His country is kinda *in* the world.


Executionoverexcuses

The fire nation needs the moon too


Weezingbreath

Old habits die hard, like war crimes for instance


Yudysseus

War crimes don’t die, they multiply!


Celery_Fumes

You get a war crime! You get a war crime! You all get a war crime!


throwthisidaway

I haven't seen that movie since I was ~8... I wonder what it's like as an adult. I can only imagine how much of it went directly over my head.


_thirdHarmonic

Aangsta Aangsta Aangsta


ConnerBartle

When did he commit a war crime? Leading an invasion isn't a war crime.


DannymusMaximus

The Fire Nation attempted genocide on every country they invaded. 1) the Air Nomads, complete genocide 2) the SouthernWater Tribe, cultural genocide by elimination of the benders, leaving the SWT to a slow drawn out death. They also had concentration camps for captured Waterbenders (bloodbending lady was held in one) 3) Multiple Large Scale prison complexes (basically concentration camps) for cultural genocide of the Earthbenders, forcing them into slavery and trying to eradicate anyone who attempted earthbending. The fact we see *two* of these camps over the course of 1 summer means that this was likely the norm, not the exception 4) attempted cultural genocide in the North by killing the Moon spirits 5) yet another attempted genocide of the entire Earth Kingdom at the end of the war. This entire war was built on explicite genocide of enemy combatants and civilians. Iroh, as a Fire Nation general directlyleading the attack on the Earth Kingdom capital, was *at best* complicit in war crimes. He may have joked when he said "if we dont burn it all down first!" But all humor js based on reality. The joke is funny because the Royal Family are like "haha thats totally something they could do haha."


MLG_Cat_21

what was the second prison complex? the only one I remember was the one in the sea that Haru was on Edit: should clarify I mean the ones for Earthbenders, I do remember lots of prisons in the show but not many exclusively for Earthbenders


DannymusMaximus

Im actually pretty sure I mistakenly included the Boiling Rock in there, oops. The aesthetic tripped me up. I think we're only shown the one Haru gets sent to.


GarbageCleric

Waging an unprovoked war of conquest is a war crime in the real world. Planning and waging a war of aggression is the charge most of the leading Nazis were convicted of during the Nuremberg Trials.


copemopehope

They didn't try to kill them tho, Zuko has to bring him alive.


JoeOutrage

Actual footage of Zuko bringing in the [gaang](https://youtu.be/jLaCqrisEac&t=44s) to the Firelord.


Mcdolnalds

Love how will Ferrell is so surprised about them shooting him after the failed execution. “You SHOT me?!”


Ghoti76

video unavailable 😔


Vivec_lore

It's the scene from Austin Powers. Where Doctor Evil tries to execute someone by dumping them into a furnace, but instead of dying they're just horribly burned and in an excruciating amount of pain.


Ghoti76

lmao that's hilarious


TobyWasBestSpiderMan

Damnit, I already spent my free wholesome award this morning


MajesticFxxkingEagle

I gotchu fam


Pacha_rM

What about when he agreed to give advise on how to exterminate the northern water tribe? Or when he pretty much assaulted June when she got paralized by her pet?


FlyingTeep

Being Zhao's advisor was just a ploy to help Zuko, by the end of that arc he showed where his true loyalty lied. As for the June incident, that was creepy and out of character for sure. The writer of that didn't write any other ATLA episodes.


Pacha_rM

I think he could've given bad advice at least, in the show it seems like he is really trying to give the fire nation the advantage, but I agree that his main motivation was to help Zuko


JusticeRain5

Could just be he'd rather have the least amount of deaths possible in the battle. They're still his countrymen, even if they're wrong. He probably assumed that the Northern Tribe would lose no matter what, and that by giving advice to completely dominate them would ensure that there would be the minimal amount of deaths possible for both sides (and might convince Zhao that killing the fish wasn't needed)


Ianoren

Bad advice means sending fire nation soldiers to their deaths. His advice was stalling so less die on both sides.


Pficky

>As for the June incident, that was creepy and out of character for sure. It was less classy than usual but Iroh is absolutely a ladies man.


Bosterm

Being a ladies man is one thing. Sexual assault is quite another.


PMJackolanternNudes

Calling what he did sexual assault is definitely overstating it though


Bosterm

I mean June was temporarily paralyzed and wasn't able to physically remove herself. Meanwhile Iroh pretended to be paralyzed so that he could just have her lay on top of him. He also has his hand around her. In other words, it was unwanted physical intimacy that June was literally unable to get out of that Iroh was basically forcing her into. It's like giving someone a hug against their will, except she can't even fight back. It's very much a pre-MeToo joke.


Credones

100%! I was pretty surprised the writers even put that in. It was totally out of character for Iroh, and it was a pretty awful thing to show kids. What did they expect them to learn from that? For a show that was pretty forward-thinking, that was a step backwards.


sontaj

Iroh is so weird in the June episode. He's not just a creep, he allows the entire fight to rampage through a village as innocent bystanders flee to their homes that then collapse on them. Dude won't step in at all until it's time to be a creep. But then again a lot of people feel super off in the first season.


solidserpiente

Despite the overwhelming love of the fan base, Uncle Iroh would inevitably have to answer to the Internet for his crimes against women and minorities


peepopowitz67

Misgendered Smellerbee


Braden_Boss2

Assault? He put his arm around her. It’s as much assault as hugging someone.


Vivec_lore

He's clearly attracted to her and she clearly thinks he's a pervy old man and wasn't interested in his attention. He purposely placed himself in a position where she would be forced into unwanted contact with him while she was also completely paralyzed. If his actions were genuinely benign and altruistic, such as wanting to prevent any potential injuries by breaking her fall, then he would have placed her on ground away from him in order to preserve her dignity but that clearly wasn't the case.


ParsnipPizza2

Hugging someone against their will is assault.


plasmaticmink25

His allegiance was always to Zuko


UncleIrohInspiration

If I really tried there wouldn't have been Season 2. Did I not spend an entire season derailing Prince Zuko by losing Pai Sho tiles?


2leftf33t

I’ll drink to that! 🍵


jamesmhall603

I'm pretty sure Iron "helped" by making sure his nephew didn't succeed


BaneOfGothmog

Imagine thinking that the DRAGON OF THE WEST needed a 14 year olds help to shoot 3 kids out of the sky … read between the lines


valsavana

Truly so wise, so noble lol


dognus88

I figure a master firebender and member of the white lotus could likely cause the fire to slightly miss, or be more dodgable. He often acts incompetent as a way to be underestimated and control the battle. He is a master strategist that has tried to become nonviolent, and he would know as much about the importance of a surviving air nomad as anyone else. Without knowlage of who aang was he still wouldn't just help in killing a group of kids.


afropuff9000

My view, zuko was gonna do it anyways and by joining forces iroh was able to force the attack to miss.


nodajohn

He didn't miss though aang deflected it


PKMNTrainerMark

Interesting theory.


DekuNut

That's what I figured. Maybe he manipulated Zuko's fire to be off target


lucioboops3

That’s probably one of the only times (if not THE only time) Iroh actively assisted Zuko in his attempts to capture the Avatar.


Vivec_lore

Well, there's also the time he helped Zuko sneak into the Northern Water tribe so that he could capture the Avatar by smuggling him onto Zhao's ship.


lucioboops3

True. Maybe the word I meant was *directly assisting Zuko


LordWeaselton

Not to mention deep fry a bison


Oregongrown96

“This really isnt my thing …. But i guess if it makes u happy ? “


FILTER_OUT_T_D

He was just trying to turn them into tea. Some nice hot avatar juice.


Now_Just_Maul

Media with fight scenes tends to gloss over how many things were intended to kill because it wasn't written as intending to kill. I think about that often in Star Wars that every single lightsaber swing would kill if it connected but really it's Just intended to be an action scene between dialogue. The same goes with shooting fire at people


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Yeah like in TMNT, Leo and Karai have sword fights in between flirting and stuff and later in between arguments, and you just know neither of them would be okay with killing the other. Also as a writer myself I recently fell into this trap I think, when I casually wrote a semi-heroic character as pressing a BB gun directly onto an enemy’s skin and firing during a BB gun style contest thing, and then realized this could be interpreted as murder of an innocent for lulz if I didn’t clarify that the person survived, so I made up some bullshit about how it wasn’t lethal somehow accidentally and just left a nasty wound, which is still pretty bad.


TreeFiddyBandit

He was playing both sides that way he always comes out on top


Sawertynn

One of them was actually over 100 years old and another was using a very dangerous boomerang. So only one to be taken as child then


X-432

Yeah but Katara is an accessory to boomerang violence so she shouldn't count either. Iroh and Zuko are totally in line here


Hojie_Kadenth

I absolutely disagree with people who think Iroh was against the fire nation the whole show, ever since his son died. Re-watch the show. He was a sweet old man, but still loyal to his country. He has his own arcs, and in the course of season 1, decides that he isn't on the fire nation's side anymore. This scene is a prime example of: He is actually trying to knock the avatar out of the sky so that they can capture him.


Boston_Bruins37

Ya I mean he helps try and take down the water tribe. I think he realizes with the fish thing he’s not on their side anymore


Cautious-Whereas-467

I think he still was kind of fire nation still.


Areday

well when put like that


shnoop123

Good times


billbill5

He was trying to recapture Aang after he escaped his custody. All they wanted to do was kill appa in that scene, killing Aang would've been completely contrary to Zuko's plan.


_Catatronic

My theory is that Iroh was still somewhat in support of a fire nation victory until the death of the moon spirit. Headcannon me says that shook his beliefs and the meeting with the white lotus at the oasis set him on his fully realized path.


DudeItsCake

Doesn’t everyone do this with their uncle?


obad-hi

Thank God for redemption arcs. Almost like the character tells a story, too.


ElPwnero

Exactly. People act like Iroh is this wholesome and wise old guy and forget he's a very successful Fire Nation general who's hands are far redder than his robes.


Calpsotoma

If he wanted to shoot them out of the sky, I think he would have.


Tristanio97

Legitimately if there’s one thing I’ll ever say that the live action movie did well: it’s giving Iroh and Aang an ongoing scene together early in the adventure. Each scene where they talk is great, the walk down into the dungeon to save Zuko and Katara, discussing the burden of Aang’s duty to defeat the fire lord. Only late in book 1 at the initial invasion of the North Pole and Yue’s sacrifice do we get this greater context of Iroh siding with the spirits, the world and his nephew against the fire nation. I’ll grant this would maybe ruin Zukos character somewhat, especially with the great scenes when Sokka and Katara are sick and Aang gets captured by Zhao, since his whole arc revolved around learning what he has to do alone, instead of trying to rejoin the world that rejected him he has to be a part of the change.


Bowler377

In my opinion, Iroh had no intention of capturing the Avatar. Iroh simply held back his full power in order to avoid capturing the Avatar while actively supporting Zuko, who was oblivious to Iroh's true intentions and values.


Surreal_R3tr0

Helping mentally unstable nephew so he don't break? Obviously he could've shot Aang down if He tried. Grand Lotus has no intention in killing the Avatar and breaking the balance. And there is so many scenes in Season 1 where Iroh slows down the chase of Zuko.