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HugoBDesigner

Did Aang ever complete that missing piece of his tattoo?


doomslayer95

I've heard it's hard to tattoo over scars.


[deleted]

Hard, but not impossible. I’ve gotten it done. Hurts like hell but you’re fine with it if you know what tattoo pain feels like


brumene

I’m planning on covering one of mine, would you mind telling me about a bit more?


[deleted]

Sure. My scar is rather thin but pretty long across my pec. If you have a big scar and want to cover the whole thing, it’ll hurt. But just a little more than normal skin. My artist said the pain tolerance is all in the receiver. So if your artist says no, it can’t be done, that’s not necessarily true. I didn’t need one, but I have heard it helps to have a mouth piece to bite down on if you are sensitive to pain.


brumene

I actually never had any tattoo I’ll do my first one soon on my arm and if everything goes right I’ll do a second one on my scar. I have it due to a surgery, so similar to yours. Thanks for the tips


DexRei

I equate the pain to a burning feeling. If you have ever burned yourself, or had sunburn, and then had heat applied on or near that burn (like leaning over the grill or stove) that's what getting tattooed felt like to me.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


WhatJewLookinAt

My brother has a bunch of tattoos. I could never get one. I’m allergic to pain. And I’m deathly afraid of needles. I put up with shots when I need them, but if I have to pay a hundred bucks or more to sit in a chair for half an hour or longer with someone carving up my arm with a needle that hurts… I will brutally murder the person who put me up to it… because if that’s the case, I probably didn’t have a choice in the matter.


thecofffeeguy

Could you imagine how much worse it would be without the gun? Having someone hammer needles into you over and over again while you are dying. The old fashion tattoo methods are a form of torture!


thedaNkavenger

It could never have done such a great thing without Ozai's existence. So he should at least get a *dishonorable* mention.


gtrley

Honor?


thedaNkavenger

Fixed it for you


gtrley

😂😂thanks lol


Gathoblaster

As a medical expert I say "absolute bullshit, He should be paralyzed" As an absolute fan of the series I say "Who cares, its entertaining regardless"


ghtuy

I feel like one of the main characters should end up paralyzed once every two or three episodes, based on the falls and hits they take.


AlphaPuz

The first time I had that thought was when Toph fought The Boulder. There’s no way he could’ve come out of that fight without a shattered spine


TyLeenRes

The avatar state is a defense mechanism iirc, so maybe Aang entering the avatar state when he hit his spine is not him unlocking his chakra or whatever but because he was near to death, just like when Korra was being poisoned by the Red Lotus


WhatJewLookinAt

So you call the absolute shitting of bulls, but also don’t care at the same time? Hmm… sounds about right. My brother would agree with you.


Gathoblaster

Suspension of disbelief and all that. It didnt break the laws established in the shows universe afterall.


WhatJewLookinAt

True.


Effective-Ocelot8775

So the MVP was the Rock? I didn’t know Dwayne Johnson was in ATLA!!!


kelsier_89

I love the show but the ending couldve been much better. I liked the azula going crazy part.


CCtenor

The part I disliked most wasn’t the power disparity, or even the deus ex machina of energy bending, it was this rock. It felt like a total accident that Aang was able to beat Ozai, so none of the lessons he learned and character growth he experienced matter. He just couldn’t enter the avatar state until he hit the rock. If they could’ve done the whole thing without that, I feel like it would have been a far better ending, even if nothing else changed.


JAYPOREDDITS

A lot of what he learned and his character development is about controlling the powers responsibly and doing the right thing, though. The powers kicking in to save the day don’t negate that


CCtenor

Yeah, and it culminates in a battle where none of that is actually used. To contrast that with Azula and Zuko’s battle, in which the consequences of both of their actions are played out in what I’d argue is the best battle sequence in the series, the battle between Aang and Ozai is him running from Ozai for the first half, his chakras realigned by a rock, him dominating Ozai in what honestly looks like a barely controlled form of the Avatar state for the second half, and a deus ex machina of energy bending that we get told happened instead of shown. It’s not a fight that really solidifies the lessons learned. He doesn’t have to use the lessons he learned to make a hard decision of any kind. The battle is grandiose, but isn’t really that compelling. It’s a very standard “Rocky” style progression where Aang gets beat up in the first half, finds his second wind, and then overcomes his enemy because somebody else handed him the solution. I’m not saying Aang didn’t learn anything, I’m saying the final battle of the series isn’t satisfying. Aang won because he met the right lion turtle and got hit by the right rock, not because he cleverly used the lessons he learned to solve the problem the entire series was building towards.


JAYPOREDDITS

But the lessons he was learning and his character development weren’t teaching him to defeat Ozai. They were teaching him to control the power. And he did show that by not taking the easy way out (killing ozai) and instead risking everything to control him without killing


CCtenor

He was handed his answer to him - energy bending - by a lion turtle, off screen. That wasn’t something he solved. He never wanted to kill Ozai, all of the avatars were advising him to be decisive (which he took to mean “kill Ozai”), and he was handed the solution to his problem off screen by a lion turtle. His self control came at the absolute tail end of a, in my opinion, rather uncontrolled rampage in the avatar state that utilized none of the techniques and lessons he also learned with regards to elemental bending. It was straight up a laser show with Aang throwing a full frontal assault of elements as they whirled around him like symbolic atom of power. The battle consisted of nothing more than which character had the bigger gun. At no point was did aang demonstrate any cleverness with regards to using the elements to overcome a clearly more powerful opponent. It’s simply Aang barely surviving a full frontal assault from Ozai, followed by Ozai barely avoiding a full frontal assault from Aang. All of the interesting parts around the battle all happen outside of the story we directly see. We don’t get to see Aang realized as both someone who managed cleverly utilized what he learned in mastering bending 4 elements to apprehend a powerful opponent and someone who overcame his internal struggle about killing Ozai. It’s a fun, capstone battle to the series, but it doesn’t actually show us an Aang that overcame his inability to enter the avatar state, or his reservations with regards to killing Ozai, or even an opponent with more raw power by successfully integrating the lessons he learned from his bending teachers. It’s a kid getting beat up. He would have lost if he hadn’t hit the rock. He would have lost if he hadn’t been handed energy bending. He didn’t even properly overcome his reservations when he redirected Ozai’s lightning, because he was originally going to fry Ozai then made a snap judgement out of guilt to redirect the lightning away. And it sounds like a scathing criticism and that I hate this fight when I don’t; it’s just that’s entire rest of the series set such a high bar for story-telling and I genuinely feel that it let is down. The battle sequence isn’t clever. There is no literal tug of war and slow buildup to overcoming that mirrors the internal struggle of both of the characters in that fight. It’s an average fight sequence like literally any other fight sequence you would find in any other average story. I enjoyed it, but I feel it was the weakest part of those final episodes.


JAYPOREDDITS

Character development isn’t always being wrong and changing the answer. Aang’s central storyline was his battle to find the line between good and bad (we saw it with the kyoshi trial, the entire time he was a fire nation student and his relationship with Zuko for example). He was adamant that the line was murder and he would find a way to do what was right without going there. And he did. His story arc was not about the fight but the resolution


CCtenor

I never said character development had to be being wrong and changing your answer. I said Aang doesn’t display any of his character development in the final fight. The final fight simply exists to be a final fight, but we aren’t actually shown any of the progress Aang had made throughout the series. Its a big battle of great animation, but it let’s the audience down because it’s just every other anime fight where the protagonist levels up mid fight because he has to. When he goes to deflect the lightning, he doesn’t even do that decisively. He was going to spit it right back at ozai, but we see him become uncomfortable with the decision and just redirect it elsewhere at the last second. If he has actually resolved that within himself, he could have just shot it into the sky straight up, instead of seeing a slow motion of him getting ready to redirect the lightning at Ozai and then choking. He doesn’t really put any of the knowledge he gained into the fight, showing that he wasn’t confident in his abilities to fight Ozai and subdue him without killing him. He uses the elements in rather straightforward ways to simply evade Ozai’s attacks. And, if it wasn’t for Ozai accidentally doing some accidental acupuncture, Aang would have lost to Ozai when he pulled Aang out of his rock hut. The only really valid part to the story I can accept is that Lion Turtles, being the original benders, could likely tell Aang’s struggle, and the one he conveniently met already knew Aang was worthy to be entrusted with the power of energy bending. But, in terms of the setup and how everything ended up written, it just feels like “Aang still doesn’t have a solution to this, so let’s invent energy bending and give it to Aang almost for free.” The difference in quality between the Zuko/Azula fight and the Aang/Ozai fight makes this even more apparent, in my opinion. Zuko/Azula was a capstone to the story of two strong characters that clearly demonstrates how far they’ve both come from the moment we met them in the story. Aang/Ozai had Aang bumbling through the entire fight, only to be conveniently given the win through a purely accidental hit on the one point in his body that would unblock his chakras and avatar state, as well as a lion turtle handing him a brand new technique that I don’t even really recall being properly alluded too in the series. It’s just “by the way, you can just take away his bending.”


Viye

>Yeah, and it culminates in a battle where none of that is actually used I disagree, he held his own against Ozai, and had the opportunity to kill him when he redirected his lightning. After that point its established that Aang could've won the fight as destined. It's immediately after the redirection that Ozai begins chasing him until Aang goes into the Avatar State. I'd even argue that the fight turns around to Ozai's favour because after redirecting the lightning Aang panics because he wants to energy bend Ozai but cannot subdue Ozai without killing him. After the Avatar State Aang is calm and has no trouble reacting to Ozai's attacks. I think the writers were in a tough spot, if Aang masters the Avatar State then it's not much of a fight, so they have him lose it in Book 2. If Aang beats Ozai without using the Avatar State it's unclimactic. So they settled for showing that Aang can beat Ozai without the Avatar State, but refuses to since it would not have been peaceful. In a way, Aang is "rewarded" for his mercy towards by coincidentally getting the Avatar State back, and gaining a second chance. Personally I can't think of a way to rewrite the Aang/Ozai fight to make it better, the established plot before the finale guaranteed that the Ozai/Aang confrontation would fall flat somewhere, but I think they made the right choice on where.


CCtenor

I’ve said what I said, so I don’t really have anything left but to disagree. But, that’s one thing I really like so far about being in the avatar fan. It’s one of the most open fandoms to just disagreeing, and I honestly don’t mind because I know we all love avatar at the end of the day. I don’t get the same kind of judgey feeling as other fandoms I’ve been in.


Superb-Cantaloupe-50

The above commenter makes a good point in that you can’t just have Aang master the avatar state and whoop Ozai’s ass in a one sided battle. On the other hand, the writers spend the whole series foreshadowing this comet (comets are made of ice btw?) and this crazy power Ozai will gain from it so Aang winning without the avatar state renders all that pointless. I guess he could have reacquired the power by some other means but as it is, a rock hitting that scar is far from the strangest coincidence in the show. That fight also suffers from Ozai being a pretty boring antagonist compared to Azula. I agree that Zuko v Azula is a much better finale and even felt like a higher stakes duel.


RonSwansonsGun

I mean, it was a total accident that Aang was alive in the present anyways, from him accidentally freezing himself to Katara accidentally awakening him. The show relies a lot on chance/destiny, I don't find this to be that far from the course.


If-By-Whisky

I love the ending, but I wish the final fight had gone a little differently. Aang spends too much of it (1) destroying Ozai in the avatar state or (2) running away from Ozai in non-avatars state. I do love the final takedown though.


Comfortable_Tart_297

I like to think of it this way (from another thread): >I always thought the rock made him flashback to Azula, and that primal fear of death pushed him into the true avatar state. Yeah, it shows the sequence where he goes into the cosmic realm or whatever you want to call it, though it is a bit rushed because it's mid action scene, I believe he finally was able to release his earthly tethers, which requires a conscious decision (probably hastened by his impending death) not just a hit on his scar. Similarly, I imagine that's why zaheer jumped off a cliff to kickstart his flying abilities, rather than just immediately try to fly up after P'Li died. There's something about being close to death that seems to force you spirituality out. I agree with this. Like when the Guru was making him let go of Katara and he couldn't. I think he realized in death he would forever lose Katara and let go of his attachments to enter the Avatar state.


The_Inception

That scene always baffled me, in an other that extraordinarily written show. Does anyone of you have an explanation why a stone puncturing that wound on this back had the effects it had in the show? In what way did poking the spot initiate the reconnection with raava (presuming that's what happened, I'm not exactly sure why the Avatar state was blocked) and enable Aang to go into Avatar state?


mostly_hrmless

Katara mentioned it in s3e1 when healing him that there was a lot of energy twisted up in his back. That's a chakra physically blocked from Azula's attack. Aang freaks out when she tries to fix it so she stops, they never address it again and the Avatar state isn't available the whole season. Ozai, by pushing Aang into that jutting rock that he created finished the job that Katara started.


WeAreABridge

Like when Mr. Incredible fixed his back during the first robot fight.


ProfPostman

You win the thread ✋🤚


The_Inception

Seems rather convenient for my taste but yeah you could be right. I also don't get why Aang wouldn't let Katara at least try to heal him more often / more relentlessly. It's not like the Avatar state could be useful in the last battle or anything.


mostly_hrmless

Well, he was kind of in a mood at the time. Also, he just learned that the died in the Avatar state so his reluctance get back to it makes sense to me.


throwaway1331441

From a writing perspective, it’s also an effective narrative device. The time when Aang can’t enter the avatar state is when everyone thinks he’s dead. He has to go into hiding, and the avatar is effectively gone again- just when he’s needed most. This isn’t lost on Aang, like when he says how much he hates not being able to do anything in s3 e1. I think that’s why the writers held off from bringing the avatar state back until the very end. They needed it to happen at the most crucial moment to fit the story best and show things would be different from Aang’s first disappearance.


mostly_hrmless

Additionally, of we had gone into the finale knowing the Avatar state and energy bending were on the table there would not have been any real tension in the final battle.


Bonedragonwillrise

Because he's a 12 year old kid with possible PTSD from literally dying. People aren't always rational.


TheYLD

The Avatar State was blocked by the wound that Azula inflicted.


The_Inception

That I know, I am just not sure how exactly. If you are able to block the Avatar state by hurting the Avatar while being in the state - this should have happened much more often. Also energy/chi wise - how is the Avatar state being blocked? Even if we assume that it just is like that - why did poking the wound suddenly unblock the Avatar state?


thedaNkavenger

It was more than just hurting him. From the wiki: "During the spring of 100 AG, Avatar Aang attempted, with Guru Pathik's help, to open his chakras so that he could enter and control the Avatar State at will. Pathik warned him that once the process had begun, it could not be stopped until all seven chakras were open. Albeit challenging, Aang successfully opened the first six chakras. However, when Pathik told Aang that opening the seventh would mean that he needed to "let go" of his love for Katara, he was reluctant to attempt to open up the chakra. When he saw a vision of Katara in need while opening up the chakra, he promptly chose earthly attachments over cosmic energy, a choice that ultimately blocked his chakras, preventing him from entering the Avatar State. Iroh commended Aang for his choice later on, stating that it was not worth sacrificing love for the sake of power. Nevertheless, when Aang and Katara were attacked by Azula, Zuko, and the Dai Li, Aang made the choice to let Katara go and subsequently opened the seventh chakra. He was able to enter the Avatar State, but was knocked out of it and gravely wounded when Azula struck him in the back with lightning. Although Katara managed to heal his wounds and bring him back to life, Aang's seventh chakra was locked and he was unable to enter the Avatar State. Despite opening his chakras, which allowed him to successfully access the Avatar State before being shot down, Aang continued to display the feelings that blocked them during his journey around the Fire Nation. He also exhibited these emotions during the day before the planned invasion of the Fire Nation and suffered sleep deprivation and paranoia as a result. Aang remained unable to use the Avatar State throughout the entirety of his travels in the Fire Nation archipelago. He eventually regained access to the state during his battle with Ozai, when a protruding rock was pressed hard against the lightning's entry wound on his back, releasing all the blocked energy."


TheYLD

It's not super important. It's just some mechanism. I assumed that it's somewhere kind of internal chi-blocking, similar to Ty Lee's ability but amped up, or Amon's bloodbending. It wouldn't happen often. The Avatar State is rarely called upon and injuring them when it's active is difficult. Furthermore I think we should understand that the location and severity of the injury is also important.


The_Inception

I don't think it would be as directed as blood bending, since a lightning does not have much "purpose" once it hits you; Chi-Blocking is a possibility although it never is elaborated on how electrical signals could be blocking chi; especially only the access to to the Avatar state and nothing else. Even if so, if Aang would have been hit (or redirected) lightning unblocking the Avatar state would have been a far better story device.


TheYLD

Would it? Why?


The_Inception

If the Avatar state got blocked by lightning and Aang would get hit by another lightning or redirect one re-enabling it - would be same mechanism blocking/enabling the Avatar state. We don't know how exactly it got blocked in the first place, but it would make more sense than a pointy rock.


TheYLD

It doesn't matter. It's just some acute trauma in the right place. It doesn't really make an difference to the story.


Bboy4pf89

Something about chakra stopping the attack or something I just read this from another comment


Kataroh

Tbh, I never really got this one either. I also thought he had to let go of Katara to be able to enter the Avatar state but I guess not? I just found an interesting discussion thread about that one though, so let me read that first lmao


cactusandonionjuice

>I also thought he had to let go of Katara to be able to enter the Avatar state but I guess not? He did it in Crossroads of Destiny, which is why he entered the avatar state just before Azula killed him.


Kataroh

But he still ended up with Katara, never really letting go of her. The thread I linked above did provide some interesting insights though.


cactusandonionjuice

Lett her go =/= stop loving her A simple way to explain "letting go" in this case could be, that Aang can move on with his life in case Katara dies.


Kataroh

I kinda liked the explanation in that thread of ''letting go'' meaning that he can still love Katara, but she is not the center of his being. His avatar duties come first; if he has to choose between saving the world and saving Katara, he needs to save the world. I also liked the interpretation of ''letting go'' having a different meaning in Buddhism.


The_Inception

Nah, earthly bounds can still be maintained as long as pointy rock hits wound I guess. Link please?


Kataroh

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/1ojtfc/how\_can\_aang\_go\_into\_the\_avatar\_state\_if\_he\_is/


jediwarriorz

Plot Armor


Boba_Fet042

It’s like the rat that freed Scott Lang from the Quantum Realm.


HoldDoorSon

did you put a little face on it?


warmgranola

Actually loved this ending along with the lion turtle. Glad the show went this way


JMHSrowing

An unfortunate deus ex machina, but still better than the Lion Turtle.


devilthedankdawg

No way! At least the lion turtle was an interesting. Character. Because of thiss Aang literally won by coincidence.


TheYLD

In what sense was the Lion Turtle an interesting character? The varied range of ideologies it holds? The incredible character arc that it undergoes? How relatable he is? The wide range of emotions that he displays? The Lion Turtle is barely a character, let alone an interesting one. What you mean is that it's an interesting piece of lore. But beyond a world building curiosity, the Lion Turtle is nothing.


chupocabra

I think the Lion turtle is really cool ending and aligns well with the main idea of the show. Which is: the society, a wise and respectable authority figure, even your own common sense might tell you that there is only one way out of a situation, but if you look hard enough, you will find the true way that will actually work for you. - Zuko was preconditioned to believe that capturing the Avatar was the only way to restore his honour. It turned out to be not true. - The Air Nomad council believed that separating Aang from Gyatso will help them in the war. Didn’t work out well for them. - Katara was put in a situation where she had to swallow her pride and apologise to Paku, so that Aang would be able to learn waterbending. Maybe it would have been the “right” thing to do, but it was against Katara’s nature, so she didn’t comply and it worked out very good. - Earth kingdom general believed that it was only humane to use Aang as a weapon to end war and suffering. - The Guru told Aang that letting go of Katara was the only way he could become a realised avatar. Turned out wrong. - Iroh thought that in order to see the light Zuko needed to humble himself and learn to live a life of an ordinary person. Yet Zuko only came to true realisation and change after living a life of a fire nation royalty. - Mai and Ty Lee believed that they had to obey Azula. - Katara believed that she needed to kill the man who murdered her mother to get closure. - Etc etc. Jet and Azula are some examples of people who failed to come to realisation and blindly kept doing what they were expected to do. - Finally, everyone on Aang’s team, and even Aang’s own past lives, believed that the only way to end the war was to kill Ozai. This is not deux ex machina, this is the key message of the show.


[deleted]

Oh what in God's name is this? It's a straight up deux ex machina, no matter what profound but technically meaningless twist you try give it. Aang worked squat. He just complained that no one validated his need to avoid killing Ozai. This fandom really loves to change the "message" of the show whenever it suits them. >Zuko was preconditioned to believe that capturing the Avatar was the only way to restore his honour. It turned out to be not true After almost 3 seasons of build up and character development. >The Air Nomad council believed that separating Aang from Gyatso will help them in the war. Didn’t work out well for them Which was entirely Aang's fault >Katara was put in a situation where she had to swallow her pride and apologise to Paku, so that Aang would be able to learn waterbending And unlike Aang, he had to fight and work for it. But even in this case, nothing would have changed if Katara was another random waterbender girl instead of the granddaughter of the women he had the hots for decades ago. >Earth kingdom general believed that it was only humane to use Aang as a weapon to end war and suffering No, he didn't say it was humane at all. He simply believed he could easily stop the war with its power. And guess what. He was right. Aang needed the avatar state to stop the war. >The Guru told Aang that letting go of Katara was the only way he could become a realised avatar. Turned out wrong Which was complete bs for the beginning. This is again Aang misinterpreting what Pathik said and storming off before he could explain himself. Since when does the avatar need to give up love to master the avatar state? No avatar before him had to do it. And if we follow your logic, which alternative did Aang find exactly to master the avatar state?


chupocabra

He was seeking a solution. He refused to do the easy and obvious thing. He then risked his life and the outcome of the war to implement the solution. Him being able to not kill Ozai is earned. > build up and character development Yeah because Aang totally didn’t have any build up or character development. Smh > Which is entirely Aang’s fault Of cause the fault is solely on a 12 year old boy. Totally none of it us on grey-bearded old ass men who were supposed to be wise or something, but failed to realise that the almighty avatar is also a human child. > But unlike Aang, she had to fight and work for it Aang spent lots of time thinking of what to do, went on a spiritual journey and then risked his own life to implement the idea. > nothing would have changed if Katara was another random waterbender girl She didn’t care, she had principles and she fought for them. Luckily for her it worked. It might not have worked out but she still did it because she is brave and true to her principles. Much like Aang. That’s why they are heroes. > No, he didn’t say it was humane at all Except he said that people are dying every day while Aang is taking his time learning the elements. Aang got manipulated into “doing what’s right” instead of pursuing his destiny. People who believe that Aang should have killed Ozai are much like that general. > Aang stormed off to save Katara from danger. Pathik said that it would make him unable to go into the avatar state ever again. But it didn’t. You can try very hard, but much unlike LoK, TLA is almost flawless


JMHSrowing

The problem, is that the Lion Turtle destroyed an arc and made Aang not be required to grow. There is no downside except Aang's naive beliefs for him at least accepting that he might have to kill the world's most evil man. Sometimes, there isn't another way. Sometimes you simply need to do what's for the greatest good. There was almost a great message plus a great arc of Aang accepting responsibility and becoming a better Avatar. They had set it up. But instead Aang got saved by a dues ex machina (which, not being set up at all, it was). The problem with the Lion Turtle especially, even more so than the others, is that the solution just came out of the blue to save Aang. It's not Azula and Ty Lee who knew the consequences of their actions and choose to do the right thing anyway. It's not Zuko being wrong about what his honor actually was while being manipulated. It's not Katara being wrong about closure. Everyone was absolutely right. Without this magic terrapin, Aang needed to kill Ozai (or I think make him yield when it became clear he would die) and there was no downside to that. Instead, they had Aang just wait and get his naive beliefs saved so he wouldn't have to make a sacrifice for other people.


chupocabra

Jet and Sozin and Long Feng worked for the greater good, and had no naive beliefs. They knew pretty well that the greater good comes with a price


JMHSrowing

Which is why one actually has to look at what the greater good is. They didn't stop to consider the great amount of suffering they would cause and the limits of this "good" that they cause. Where as for Aang there was no such suffering except the killing on one deserving man. No downsides at all really. Yes, they were wrong of course. But you also can't naively expect everything to be perfect and to be saved by the universe. Sometimes, a hard choice does have to be made.


TheYLD

I'm sorry... Horseshit. 'Sometimes characters are mistaken' is not a special or unique theme to ATLA, it's just a necessary part of telling just about any story. A story where no character is ever wrong about anything? Thrilling... The idea of a character learning something is just a basic building block of virtually every modern Western story there is. To the point where if this *does not* happen, the story feels incomplete. And the logical conclusion to your argument presumably has to be that the show's final take on this... Ahem 'theme', 'There's always another way, and don't worry, somebody will show up to give it to you...' It's a textbook Deus Ex Machina. Just accept that.


chupocabra

In order to argue you first need to understand the point that you are about to argue with :) I never said that “sometimes characters are mistaken” was the theme of ATLA. The theme of ATLA is choosing your own destiny over the destiny someone is trying to force on you. This is the main thing that two main characters of the show try to do over and over again. Now, any great motif it may not be completely unique. But it is absolutely not “in every story”. Harry Potter is about different things, Star Wars is about different things, Lord of the Ring is about different things, you name it. > Don’t worry, somebody will show up to give it to you And this is completely out of place, Aang didn’t just sit and wait for somebody to show up and give it to him. He was actively seeking a solution. He meditated, he contemplated options, he talked to his past lives, and eventually stumbled upon the lion turtle. When people work on complex stuff they also wonder for a while and eventually stumble upon a solution. I bet you would say that Einstein discovering theory of relativity is stupid and unrealistic because it just “came to him” at some point. But this is kind of how finding solutions works. Also Aang risked his life and effectively the outcome of the war to implement his solution, he didn’t know if it would work, didn’t know if there would be another opportunity, and could have just ended Ozai with lightning redirect. He chose not to because it was against his nature. Now of cause you can disagree with this decision. Earth general also fairly reasonably disagreed with Aang’s decision to pursue his destiny his own way. But the show is about Aang and his decisions, and Aang is a devoted pacifist.


TheYLD

I would say that if Einstein was *given* the theory of relativity, then he wouldn't deserve the credit for it. Aang isn't actively looking for a new solution to his problem. He's trying to decide between his two conflicting duties. He's not looking for a third way, he's trying to find a way to pick one and then come to terms with it. Then the universe gets involved and gives him a third way. The Lion Turtle is a hitherto unknown third party that appears and gives Aang the perfect answer to his problem. Aang doesn't figure it out for himself. He doesn't earn it or work for it. Nothing about him or his journey inevitably leads to this conclusion. The universe gives him a way out.


abdo1231997

Man what a load of bullcrap lol, the lion turtle thing is literally the worst thing the show has ever written. It doesn’t mean it’s super bad, it just means that the rest of the show was very very well written. The lion turtle offered a solution to Aang’s biggest character problem without him having to do any work for it. It’s bad writing really. Imagine Katara’s episode with Zuko was just Zuko abducting the man and bringing it to Katara instead of her going on a hunt for weeks literally blood bending her way through the fire navy to get to him.


mostly_hrmless

Katara bloodbent one guy and they were back at camp the next evening. If Zuko tried to abduct Yan Ra without Katara he would have grabbed the wrong guy. I get you feel some kind of way about the lion turtle, that's fine. Equating it to the southern raiders episode the way you did doesn't really add up. A better example would be: Imagine if a swamp just gave team Avatar the best earthbender the world had ever seen. Or, Imagine if instead of learning firebending some flying lizards just downloaded into Aang and Zuko's brains.


abdo1231997

Hahahha thanks for the help, and thanks for getting my point.


mdeac48

Most Valuable Protrusion


AdTraditional7271

Kyoshi got his back. Literally


IllegalGuy13

Every time I see this, I get a phantom pain that comes in my back and it's PAINFUL TO THINK ABOUT.


[deleted]

To be perfectly honest: I still don´t really understand what exactly happened there and why the chakra was unlocked again For me, it was just a weird and cheap Deus-Ex-Machina Maybe I´m just dumb


abdo1231997

The last time this area got injured Aang died, literally. When the area got hit again it triggered him and the avatar state because they sure as hell don’t want to die again.


cactusandonionjuice

Maybe it's something similar to the chi blocking that Ty Lee does


Bboy4pf89

I’ll try my best to explain basically when he got hit by the lighting and died his chakra kinda clumps there we hear katara say it’s all clump there and try’s to heal it but aang stops her and the rock basically finished the job katara started


westdraco

The moment change of destiny of all Avatar Universe


TheFourthel

This picture makes me so uncomfortable. Straightened my back right away. Is it just me?


devilthedankdawg

Totally ruined the ending for me. There should have been a Korra-in-season-4-like scene where Aang has to face the physical, emotional, and spiritual trauma this wound caused him and overcome it. And only then can the lion turtle show him his energy bending technique.


abdo1231997

Well the thing is, the avatar state is so overpowered they cannot offer that sort of power before the finale of the show. Otherwise they have to either: 1) nerf the avatar state, which happened in Korra 2) powercreep (Dragon Ball Z style) which is what the disastrous season 2 finale was a result of.


devilthedankdawg

So hes given the means to unlocknit but he still cant, because he cant find the internal motivation; again, ultimately he doesnt want to be the Avatar, so he can only unlock it when he fighs Ozai.


mostly_hrmless

I think he has accepted being the avatar at that time. I think he is hesitant to rely on the Avatar state because he still cannot control it (I am assuming this is how he feels about it) and that he has already died once while in it and does not want to risk ending the avatar cycle again, especially with no more magic water.


devilthedankdawg

No at the invasion he said he cant go into the Avatar State


matbezlima

The finale is awesome, this scene alone can't ruin it.


devilthedankdawg

Yeah but I also thought Zuko should have been the one to defeat Azula. That was literally Kataras first interaction with her, at least solo


matbezlima

Zuko was going to defeat Azula, but Azula cheated and we got an amazing in which Zuko fully earns the audience's respect and completes his redemption, by being willing to sacrifice himself to save Katara.


devilthedankdawg

I mean... sure that scen where Zuko jumped in front of the bolt was epic, but they could have had that in another scene. Also he already almost died fighting combustion man. But they either could have had scene in some other episode with that or had that happen in The Southern Raiders.


mostly_hrmless

Katara had Azula beat in catacombs during the s2 finale until Zuko intervened. In fact, Azula always loses when she fights alone. Most of the time she has Mai and Ty Lee or the Dai Lee as back up/distraction. She lost during The Chase and cheated to get away somehow. She lost to Aang on the drill when he wasn't even trying to defeat her, only get her off of him long enough to stop the drill. But to your point, Zuko did beat her and she knew it, that's why she cheated.


devilthedankdawg

I know but I really wanted the satusfaction of Zuko in all his imperfection and projected inferiority beating Azula the favorite child and bully. Katara just didnt have enough interaction with Azula to make it interesting for her to fight her. I would have rather she go with Sokka, Suki, Toph, and that Eel-Hound. What we dont get to see enough of is her working with Sokka.


HECUMARINE45

Creators hyped up the moral dilemma only to hit us with this. Disappointing


ElusiveEmissary

People say Korra has plot holes but damn if this ain’t the biggest Deus ex Machina in the whole series. Love this show it’s damn near flawless but this stands out


mostly_hrmless

Yeah, its the same nonsense in s2 when the swamp just pulls them out of the sky and hands them the worlds most bad ass earthbender for a teacher. Or in s1 when Aang joked about a crazy spirit attack then merged with the ocean spirit the next episode and wiped out the Fire navy. Or in the firebending masters where they take a whole day to solve a door puzzle, go on a short hike, and get top tier firebending downloaded directly into their brains like the matrix. And the Lion Turtle doesn't just grant Aang energy bending, he brings him to exactly where Ozai will show up, seemingly within a few minutes of his arrival.


ElusiveEmissary

Yeah. I mean I love avatar. It’s incredible. But I hate how people bash Korra for the same stuff that’s everywhere in ATLA


abdo1231997

Yeah getting triggered ‘stands out’ but a lion turtle showing out of no where with what is basically magical powers to conveniently solve Aang’s biggest personal conflict does not? Sure Jan.


ElusiveEmissary

Lol pretty much


TastelesscheezeTG

15*20 supernatural be like