By - WesternConcentrate94
What? Didn't hear that.
Yes, I hurt them growing up with many raves and concerts... then damaged them more with call centre jobs.... and ultimately hurt them the most making industrial techno on headphones for years... yes, monitor at the lowest level possible, your ears and your productions will thank you
I said no because it's not intrusive, but a little bit still.
Earbuds have damaged my hearing more than anything. Have had mild tinnitus for about 10 years.
Did you start protecting your ears?
Also, has the volume changed over the years ?
No, thankfully. I listened to music through headphones louder than I should have when I was younger, but I cut that out pretty quickly and since then I've always been very careful with my hearing. Certain frequencies cause a fluttering in my right inner ear that feels kind of weird, but my ears are kind of fucked from severe allergies messing with my sinuses and inner ear.
i probably lost a good deal of hearing attending music concerts as a teenager. the worst places being these awful emo/hardcore bands my friend dragged me to.
another good amount to shooting guns, and jet engines in the military.
but the worst of it was when I was trying to setup my fucking focusrite it wasn't working and then boom the audio came thru and since then yeah, ringing.
I've had something similar happen when setting up equipment. There are always unknowns about new gear, and sometimes I end up doing something that blasts sound for a few seconds.
The worst was when I just got an MC101. I had the master volume up really high, but the pattern volume down really low so the pattern I was working on was relatively quiet. I must've pressed something that flipped the pattern selector to another pattern which was blasting full volume.
I threw my headphones off and could still hear the track playing through them as if it were a speaker -- it was that loud. Had tinnitus and noise sensitivity for weeks afterwards and overall increase in tinnitus ever since.
Now, whenever I'm setting up new gear, especially when it's coming through speakers, I wear earplugs until I'm certain of how to control the volume basics. If I'm setting up stuff and playing it through my audio interface, I'll slap a limiter on the master to catch any accidental blasts.
I’ve always kind of thought of it as a defect of modern computers that you CAN be exposed to such loud bursts of sound for a few seconds, I’ve had it many times myself from either trying to program a plugin at uni, or using some software called Cecilia which has a similar shockingly dangerous glitch. It’s almost like there needs to be a built-in limiter to systems fo prevent it from happening in the first place
That's why you should always have a limiter on the master channel. But anyway it shouldn't ever go past the volume your audio interface is set to should it? Like it will just clip...the interface won't push more power past that point to the speaker. So basically always work with your sound design on your plugins going near 0db, so that you don't feel compelled to turn up your speaker volume to account for it. That way, even if a plugin starts massively clipping it won't be that loud. I actually think insanely loud is much more likely to happen with analog equipment.
In this case it was wearing headphones both times and I don’t think I’ve been using an interface when it’s happened; Cecilia is a standalone free software so no master channel but is unfortunately very buggy and using certain parameters can cause it to blast highly illegal levels of noise into your ear. The time I was coding something at uni I accidentally set the output of a clipping algorithm to 1000% or something haha, it was just a barrage of ridiculous distortion into my ear canal
You are still technically using an interface even with just your computer's sound card, and still it should not be able to push the speakers beyond a certain point. For example if you have your computer's headphone volume set to 50%, the loudest signal in the world isn't going to make it go past a certain point. I think more likely the issue is that Cecilia probably had a generally low output volume when it was working "properly", which meant you turned up your headphones higher than usual, allowing actually loud signals to be MUCH louder. Basically, making sure your "proper" sounds are gainstaged correctly, so that there isn't more than 6dB or so of headroom, will make any glitch or clipping that does occur much less louder.
ear plugs while setting up is actually a really good idea. I had all my volumes down pretty low actually. but I was rerouting some audio in a way that I don't think this piece of crap focusrite was designed for and there was probably some gain magnification that happened and the audio was suuuuper loud.
> I threw my headphones off and could still hear the track playing through them as if it were a speaker -- it was that loud. Had tinnitus and noise sensitivity for weeks afterwards and overall increase in tinnitus ever since.
I'm actually quite surprised that a short term loud blast from headphones would be enough to cause that. I've only heard of permanent hearing damage from short bursts due to explosions.
Yeah I think it was more psychological rather than actual hearing damage. But oddly my tinnitus did increase after that.
What REALLY made my tinnitus increase was being in a car crash and the airbags going off. Basically sounded like a gunshot.
Noise induced hearing loss, dip at 4-6k.
Edit: why downvote this?
I have a slight hissing sound in both ears. Like hearing insects chirping in a forest. It's from too many parties in the SF Bay Area in my 20's. I consider it a battle scar. :)
Hearing loss seems to be from a narrowing ear canal. If I pull up/back on my ear much is restored. Currently looking for soft silicone tubing to make a stent.
I have a high-ringing tinnitus and some loss of high frequencies in my right ear.
I always listened to music too loud on headphones as a kid and then started playing in bands as a teenager - most of the damage was done by the time I was 20.
Yes, but mine seems more stress-related. It become noticeable when I am stressed.
Do you have adhd? i have unnoticable tinnitus, but when i was procrastinating studying for an exam and started stressing because i kept getting distracted and couldnt prepare anything. Then the tinnitus kicked in and in a room of dead silence i would hear is this goddamn killing sound of hissing as if im I always believed my adhd and tinnitus responded to each in stressful situations, because otherwise im too busy trying to keep control over my mental chaos, meaning i completely forgot about the tinnitus being there. Like a low pass filter lol. But researchies are showing that the same dopamine receptors/transmittors are related to adhd and tinnitus.
Reason why i say this all is because my whole life ive been hearing how gifted i was but that i just "dont do things". Always felt different than my friends. Always been the funny guy and blessed creative. Studying and living the life that was "expected for me to live" by society and family and being judged by that personally, stressed me the fuck out. They say around 10% of all people have adhd/add, but environment and raising also plays part in the developing it for the better or the worse. And people often imagine it to be something with hyperactivity and a struggle to concentrate, but its so much more complex. Im part of the 1% of most severe cases. So my point here was just to inform you because being aware of it makes so much difference. My stress and behaviour have improved 100x more positive. When i t comes to music production (hobbies) its a blessing.
Srry for yhe long message lol
No problem. I have ADHD and OCD. The last one makes it worse because the attention to the hiss in my ear becomes an intrusive thought.
My tinnitus became even worse after I tapered off benzo addiction... it's a common side effect of that.
What helps for me is NAC and taurine, because I believe tinnitus is glutamate related not dopamine.
High frequency loss in right ear and mild tinnitus triggered by silence and some room acoustics. Took me a couple of years to accept the tinnitus but not anxious about it now.
Clubbing for 20 years did the damage because at home I always listen to music/produce at low to medium volumes.
I’m fortunate enough not to have any issues with my hearing *touch wood*.
I’ve never used earplugs when at festivals or clubbing either, but seeing how many of you suffer, I think it’s time to order some discreet earplugs for future events. I was never taught about ear/hearing safety, but always knew never to stand too close to shitty speakers. I’ve seen some people do it and it makes me cringe.
I didn’t think it was this common an issue though; do you all think it needs to be talked about more in the industry/scene?
Semi-severe ringing in my ears here. I've always had it slightly for as long as I can remember, but things got noticeably a lot worse about 3 years ago. I went to Kompass club in Ghent, which has thick industrial concrete walls. I was wearing foam disposable ear plugs. I already had a pair of custom made relatively hard plastic earplugs. The hearing aid store really hammered in that I needed ones with 30 dB of attenuation...but it's garbage, you're totally disconnected from your surroundings and can't even hold conversations. So I didn't wear those and instead wore the disposable ones.
Be very wary of industrial style clubs! The concrete walls cause comb filtering. You do not notice it that much (and you're probably not sober enough to notice it if you could) since the overall level is roughly the same, but your ears definitely feel the peaks. Also I noticed on a second trip to that club that, in a narrow hallway kind of room, they had placed all speakers pointing to the middle...that's just a recipe for disaster.
My recommendation: get Alpine or Earpeace musician earplugs with 10 to 20 dB attenuation. The difference is still night and day but you do feel like you're there in the moment and can get nice frisson. Since your ears get less fatigued, you can enjoy the music more after a few hours than without earplugs. It's just a bit of getting used to in the first hour(s).
In the end everytime you go out you damage your hearing a little bit even with earplugs since your skull vibrates with the bass which bypasses the earplugs. Just only go to quality events I guess so it's worth it? Please be smarter than I was :) you don't get it back!
This just makes me think that there's really no safe way to listen to techno that loud. The reason solution is: turn the speakers down. Of course, that wouldn't be fun, but unfortunately it's just true.
If everybody would just shut the fuck up we could turn it down a bit 😂 But the damage by bone conduction is not that severe compared to direct sound, I wouldnt lose any sleep over it
Does techno even sound good in industrial venues though? I haven't been to one personally, but it can't be good.
Sounded good to me. The best sounding venues are outdoor festivals for me. A club with some absorbing material on the sidewalls will sound better, but in the moment the concrete walls don't sound bad. There's a reason techno kick rumbles kind of try to emulate the reverb of a large concrete hall
Fair enough, I've just heard a lot of people say that the only thing you can hear is the kick and that the high end is totally lost.
Are you saying that the disposable foam earplugs aren't enough protection for events like that? I have some disposable earplugs that claim 29dB attenuation and I always thought that would be enough, but you mentioned comb filtering. Does that somehow negate the earplugs' helpfulness? I know there is an issue of bone conduction.
When I went to a specialized hearing store, they informed me that disposable foam earplugs attenuate about 30 dB, but with a non-flat curve so you get a different colour to your sound. They also told me the custom made earplugs that I bought (150 euros something) would attenuate 30 with a flat frequency response. The difference between how much the foam ear plugs lower the volume and these custom made earplugs is absolutely enormous. Foam earplugs, to me at least, seem to barely lower the sound volume. If I have to guess, somewhere around 3 dB attenuation at a maximum? The custom made earplugs lower the sound to a level that is just plain uncomfortable. Also, maybe I have weird ear canals or something, but they only gave a 'clear' sound when they were pressed all the way up to my eardrums it felt, which was uncomfortable. So at least from my point of view these were also not the way to go.
I now have earpeace HD earplugs with 3 different filters (10, 15 and 20 dB). I would say that these values are around correct, and that the 30 dB of the custom earplugs is correct. (I mean, this is the order in which they seem to filter the sound). 10 and 15 dB feels strong enough to me, while still being comfortable. I wear the 10 dB filter to outdoor venues or clubs which I know don't pump up the volume too hard. I wear the 15 dB filter to those or when I go to a new club for the first time. If I take off the 10 dB earplugs after a festival day, just the sound of the plastic cups getting crushed by the masses sounds super loud, so I think my hearing was protected during the day while still enjoying the music.
I got a case of tinnitus which still gives me trouble sleeping, and I had to come to terms with the fact that it will never go away mentally, which wasn't that easy. And I got this whilst wearing the disposable earplugs. So I would say head my warning and get some decent earplugs instead. It's a 20-25 euro/dollar investment and they'll probably last at least 10 years.
I'm honestly surprised that foam earplugs don't give you much attenuation. If you don't mind me asking, were they the Mack's brand? I use those and they seem to block out a lot of sound. Now, if I were at a concert and the dB was up to 120 I would still be botheted because even with 30dB attenuation my ears would be bothered. I basically can't mix or listen to music if it's over 85dB without getting a spike in tinnitus.
I've used several over the course of my life but Im not sure what the brand was. Could be that your brand works for you! But after I've actually experienced how 30 dB feels with the other earplugs, I can safely say that none of the various brands of disposable earplugs got even remotely close to that level. If you have the chance to try out some non-disposable earplugs take it and draw your own conclusions. I was wearing foam crap and feeling 'safe' when I wasn't, but your brand might be good.
Comb filtering means that there is both constructive and destructive interference near a wall. If it is constructive, the sound at that frequency is roughly 3dB more than it would be without the wall (so double the energy). With fully destructive interference you get a drop to (theoretically) 0. So no this does not negate the usefullness of ear plugs. It just increases peak volumes.
Learn to produce at lower volumes. One of the most important and first things you learn when producing. I dj with ear plugs also
Majority of my hearing loss happened at edc lv 2015 lmao. Ya boy was fiending to like the front in every set
Nice! Sounds like you're probably good at protecting your hearing.
Yes, severe above 1000hz and rolls off towards profound at 16k and nothing above 16k
Years of over ear headphones (Walkman) at full volume followed by car and home audio at high volume.
Additionally I have severe tinitis at what feels like around 12k.
Trying to listen to life is exhausting enough that I'm literally drained by the end of a work day.
Protect your ears.
Fellow Americans :
My hearing aids are $6,000, it's unlikely you young uns will have insurance that covers that when to are my age (it's actually unlikely you have it covered now)
And on the bright side for those of you in my age bracket, $6000 hearing aids are incredibly badass bluetooth ear buds and makes my hearing better than it was when I was 20 years old 30 years ago and makes my tinitis GO AWAY COMPLETELY
Walkman era could be pretty bad for this stuff because so many of the over ear headphones had zero noise isolation and were super leaky, leading people to absolutely crank them.
I can still hear up past 18Khz (or at least perceive the sound is there) but I have some form of tinnitus I think.
Every so often will have the high pitch ringing, especially notice it at night. It comes and goes, but never seems to hang around for longer than a minute or so.
When I was younger, I absolutely abused the living shit out of my poor ear drums. Owned multiple huge P.A systems (shit quality) and basically lived inside nightclubs. Honestly though I think headphones pose the biggest danger of all though, deceivingly loud.
It's crazy how your ears can adjust to a irresponsibly high SPL in minutes, then all the sudden your turning up the volume again. I have now come to the realization that louder is not always better, and that I only used to crank the volume because I was trying to compensate for the lack of sound quality.
Had really bad ringing for 6 months to a year after an ABCD show in Brooklyn. Wore ear plugs djing ever since then and it has slowly gone away.
No, I think I'm lucky that despite going to a lot of gigs at some point, I have really great hearing and the only times I've experienced tinnitus is if I've been sick and had blocked sinuses. I tend to hear things way before others and from way further off. I also keep my headphones/music on low volume because I don't need it to be that loud to enjoy it. On the down side, I'm sensitive to all kinds of ambient sound, like a light flickering in the next room will sound loud to me even if no one else pays attention to it. Noise cancelling headphones are a great blessing though.
Hearing loss is a thing but this poll doesn't make sense. How can 2 out of 3 guys have it? That's an insane number
This is a group of people that have been exposed to loud sounds for sure, most way more than the general population. In addition, producers are in general more aware of their own hearing and its shortcomings. I'm not surprised at all!
Is that really surprising to you? I would say a majority of people who went clubbing in any sense when they were younger have some hearing loss, which will probably be most people in this subreddit.
Even one night at a club is enough to cause permanent hearing loss, so I don't know why this would surprise you.
Yup, but luckily my tinnitus is around 13KHz so it's not too offensive. Invested in custom moulded ear plugs now, they are a life saver at concerts and raves!
I'm not really sure tbh, there might be some slight tinnitus but usually I cannot hear it very loud and it changes with situation. I did spend a lot of my teenage years using ear buds too loud though. I don't think I have any frequency dips or cutoffs. I've probably been to about 50 to 100 nights in my life with ringing afterwards, about 2 or 3 serious enough that it still lasted the next day.
Recently I understood that I may have a form of tinnitus that I've been living with for many years without noticing it.
I was in the front row for a bit too much when I was 18-23, now only go partying with ear protection
Also kind of compensated this hear loss with some hearing training in music, but I struggle with spoken sounds in a noisy enviroment
Is this my voice?
What was that?
I don't think so. If anything, the sensitivity to sound is increasing, while eyesight is rapidly going downhill.
YEp and it's a bitch, however you get used to it. It honestly bothered me the most when in prison because I just wanted a quiet moment every once in a while but couldn't get it thanks to the "BEEEEP" lol
Yes deaf in right ear and moderate HF loss in left - all from birth.