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Tasty_Hearing_2153

Don’t forget Oroden. He’ll be 17/18. Cord will be interesting too.


Frostking8251

You're right! I forgot Oroden. Hopefully Kal will have a chance to protect him and finally not fail


Tasty_Hearing_2153

That would be amazing. Oroden has a chance to be pretty damn important.


No-Huckleberry6371

Honestly I can’t see Kaladin’s story arch stretching another 6 books. I’ll be very surprised if he makes it to the back half.


BlckAlchmst

Yea... Cuz that's worked out so well in the past...


Frostking8251

>Hopefully Kal will have a chance to protect him and finally not fail *finally not fail*


BlckAlchmst

One can only hope


Frostking8251

I'd like to see an Oroden and Gavinor bromance like Kaladin and Adolin have


Tasty_Hearing_2153

That would be pretty damn cool.


Sparrow_Flock

Screw that I want an Oroden and Gavinor ROMANCE!


Material_Beach668

My bet is kal does and orodin inherents syl


guymn999

I'm not ready for this


Sapphire_Bombay

Lift, Gavinor, Oroden, and Shallan & Adolin's future child. 10 emerald chips says Shallan is pregnant by the end of book 5.


Frostking8251

*no mmmating*


Sapphire_Bombay

They're married now, dividing by zero is perfectly appropriate 😂


Sharkattack1921

Idk about that last part though. Considering Shallan’s history, I think she’ll need a couple more years before she’s ready to be a mom, plus a lot of therapy since Kal basically invented it


Sapphire_Bombay

I wish that would happen but unfortunately people who aren't mentally prepared to reproduce do so all the time. It's practically the way of the world


Sharkattack1921

Maybe, but I’d like to believe that Adolin and Shallan would be safe about it, only try to have a baby a few years later, I mean they are both relatively young. Plus this is fantasy, so it’s not like 100% realism is necessary


VooDooZulu

I don't understand why she would need more years to be ready to be a mom. Literally no one is ready to be a parent when they have kids. She's going on (earth years) 22-23 by the end of RoW. She has solved her Identity crisis. What more can you ask of her?


Sharkattack1921

1. She hasn’t fully solved her identity crisis. Radiant is still in her 2. She still has past trama, so she’s probably still hesitant on having children. That doesn’t go away after doing one thing to better yourself, it’s a repeated process


Ollin69

And, I think there will be a thing between her and Kaladin about Helaran. Her trauma is not solve, her identity crisis neither, and I think that if she already take a step solving the thing about Veil, I think next steps would eventually lead confronting her and Kaladin in the middle of the sort of attraction that exist between them and also the hatred that could arouse because Helaran's dead. It's a thing that I don't believe Sanderson is going to let it just like that. Now that I think about it... if Kaladin solve his inner crisis about saving everyone, this is a perfect chance to put the spot in the theme of having his hate to lighteyes released partly because the entrance of Shallan in his life, and then, confronted in the moment Shallan thrown herself onto him like a axehound pursued by her pain of her brother.


VooDooZulu

Trauma never goes away. But its not like she can't be a good parent with trauma. There are *tons* of good parents who have had trauma. Dalinar had trauma and his kids turned out fine. Nevani had trauma and her kids turned out fine. But even in real life, kids are actually pretty hard to fuck up for a parent that is trying. Even if that parent is a single parent, or has mental issues, or has other problems. Have we ever seen any indication that she doesn't want kids? That is a rather bold claim to make.


Sharkattack1921

I literally never said that she shouldn’t have kids ever, I said she should work on herself a bit more. Remember, she has PARENTAL trauma. Her own mother literally tried to kill her, and her father ruined her entire family. Most people who have had horrible relationships with their parents struggle more with being parents. Most of the time we use our own parents as a baseline for how we raise our kids. Navani’s trauma had nothing to do with her parents (as far as we know of). That’s not to say that they can never end up being the good parents eventually, all that I’m saying is that she needs to work on herself more.


VooDooZulu

I never claimed you said she shouldn't have kids. You did imply Shallan was hesitant about kids. That is where I was calling you out. And no, I don't think she needs "more time". You are getting an accelerated view of her life. For her she has been healing for years. She shows no signs that she would be a bad parent. Your claim about people with bad parents also being bad parents is unsubstantiated. It could be just as likely that the person doesn't want to make the same mistake their parents made.


egbertian413

A lot of people think that 22 is way to young to have kids and would rather experience more of adulthood first; why couldn't Shallan have that worldview?


VooDooZulu

I am not saying that she does or does not want kids. I am saying that 22 is more than old enough to have children, and you don't need to be some perfect saint with no issues to have kids. If you want to know why 22 is for sure old enough it is because Roshar in general is built around a Feudal / Medieval system. And the idea that 22 is too young to have kids is based on modern life, where people are just starting their careers at 22. When your life consists of working on a farm, or making mercantile contracts, or becoming a father, you don't need 12 years of education. Men don't need to learn to read and write, Women don't need to learn calculus. Even if "its fantasy, maybe they share modern sensibilities", that doesn't hold up. In Roshar marrying young and having children young is especially common for light eyes (Laral). A normal Rosharan person will have started their apprenticeship in their young teens (all of Kaladins friends). The only reason Kaladin didn't already have a profession by the time he was 16 was because being a surgeon takes a lot longer than being a farmer. Humans, for the vast majority of our existence, have been having children at <20 years old, and most of us turned out just fine. But a little more evidence to support my point. In modern America, the mean age of mothers having their first child was \~25 in the year 2000, with age trending upwards in recent years. That means women were getting pregnant at 24. 24 and 22 are not that different when you don't attend college, or when you started being a scribe at the age of 16.


settingdogstar

Yeah let's have the fractured and deeply traumatized person have a kid. She still literally fractured into two people and still risks splitting even more. Definitely nothing bad is gonna happen there. And you're wrong, plenty of people are very ready to have kids when they do. That's just a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel as inadequate.


VooDooZulu

>Yeah let's have the fractured and deeply traumatized person have a kid. She still literally fractured into two people and still risks splitting even more. **You realize that telling people who should and shouldn't have kids is literally eugenics?** You say it as if she is some unstable mess. Like she is going to kill her kids or forget that she has them. She is trusted enough to be an advisor to the most powerful man in the world, and lead a small but influential spy network. She has the resources to give her children the education and attention they need, even if she isn't a 24/7 mom. Her mental difficulties are hardly a handicap, her "split personality" resembles no real mental illness. She is 2 people, sure but they are 2 fully rational entities who share memories. Its not like Radiant is just going to forget she has a child, or not care for that child. You realize there are great parents in the real world with Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, actual Disassociation Identity Disorder, severe depression, and every other mental illness under the sun, and you saying they can't be good parents is incredibly disrespectful to parents who suffer with those problems and still raise great kids. And there are a ton of children who have well adjusted parents who are also shit parents, and you insult them by implying that children raised by bad parents won't turn out fine.


Sharkattack1921

I definitely want to see more Renarin, now that he’ll be in his mid-thirties. He’s always been a character I want to see more of. I mean he’s the younger sibling of a person literally everyone likes (both in universe and out of it), while most ignore him….I feel that. Considering Book 7 will be his flashback book, I hope that means he’ll be a protagonist in the second half.


Firemage007

Renarin was done dirty man. He’s literally the linchpin of why they can feasibly resist. And he’s so crucial to the story, and obviously has deep issues to get through like the other characters. BUT I NEVER SEE ANYTHING ABT HIM.


lovegermanshepards

How Kaladin describes his powers of light are super fascinating too Book 4 Chapter 8: >!“Light exploded into the room. Clean and white, like the light of the brightest diamond. The light of the sun. A brilliant, concentrated purity.”!< >!“Kaladin knelt, bathed in that warm light. Yes, warmth. Kaladin felt warm. Surely … if there truly was a deity … it watched him from within that light.”!<


New_Negotiation_827

Cosmere infant here, how do we know that book 7 is Renarin flashbacks? Is it word of Brandon? And also do we know other books and who they focus on? Thank you in advance!!


jtl_v

Word of Brandon. Books 6-10 should be Lift, Renarin, Shalash, Taln, and Jasnah respectively, though the order could potentially change. Also Brandon has said that a book having a particular character as its flashback focus doesn't necessarily mean that the character is alive in the present...


New_Negotiation_827

Thanks gauncho!!


MyDumbOpinion

Yes!!!! Renarin is such an underrated character. I’m really looking forward to his book, and I really hope he’s a main character in the second half of the series.


pendulumfeelings

I'm interested to see Oroden because now he's just Kal's cute baby brother, but he'll actually be a character in the second half. I want to see how being the little brother of Kaladin Stormblessed effects him.


Glittering_Bowler_67

Personally I think he takes someone’s place in the oathpact as a last ditch effort to hold back some of the darkness after the contest of champions. Just enough to buy some time for humanity to not completely be wiped out. Either his character stagnates, or he swears the 5th ideal soon, and then stagnates. I think that could be an interesting way to keep him around but still remove him as a central character.


Firemage007

My bet is kal will become like Lirin. Kal kinda tapped out of war a little bit. Oroden wanting to fight is gonna bring back tien memories. He’s gonna go full Lirin and ban the kid from fighting


FitDontQuit

I appreciate the optimism that kal will be alive in the back half of the books ❤️


Firemage007

LMAOOOO good point. If he got shard plate after swearing the fourth ideal maybe he’ll get plot armor for the fifth….


scinfeced2wolf

RoW >!There's a letter from Harmony to Hoid in RoW that talks abouts needing a vessel that can kill and protect, so he might ascend.!<


angry_corn_mage

Kaladin will sacrifice himself to save Oroden to make up for Tien


IAmBabs

It would be interesting if Kal's fate was ambiguous at the end of one book, and we find him dead towards the beginning of the next, mirroring Eshonai's death and Venli finding her.


AtDawnWeDEUSVULT

I think there's a good chance that by then lift will no longer be in denial about aging and will likely have come to understand what Cultivation actually did to her. That could happen in book 5, or it could happen between the first and second halves of the series. But I don't think she'll be in her late 20's trying to convince herself still that she's a little girl


Danger_Muffins

Honestly we KNOW Lift has a major role to play in the world since she's one of the three people we know of that have been touched by Cultivation. I'm definitely interested to see her role play out, and I think it's a fair bet that it'll happen in the next era.


My_grandmother

Shalash is the POV dustbringer iirc


Frostking8251

Question mark. Shalash is the patron herald of the Lightweavers I thought


Lisa8472

Yes, but she’s supposed to be a flashback character and the Lightweaver book has already happened. Since the other four flashback characters are non-Dustbringers, people are assuming Ash will fill that spot.


Frostking8251

You know, I didn't know the last 5 focals were wobbed. Taln also isn't a Stoneward. Strictly speaking. Although, after typing that, him being the DB would require Ash to be the SW


morth

In that case maybe you missed the scene in Oathbringer where all ten of them are together. Dalinar takes note of all of them, except Venli I think.


Frostking8251

I didn't miss it. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together. Venli *was* there too.


Aegis_Harpe

It might be sweet of Ash to decide to stand her ground and be more like Taln joining the Stonewards. But Taln is Taln… Nothing I could say makes it clearer than that really


Frostking8251

Imagine Taln with his blade also being a Dustbringer though. Stronk


My_grandmother

from what we know of their oaths Taln seems more like a stoneward and Ash seems more like a dustbringer


Frostking8251

You're right. Kinda weird to rebut a hypothetical though. >imagine


Matthew-the-First

> people are assuming Ash will fill that spot. It's worth remembering that Brandon has also said the Flashback Character's Order and the Book's Focal Order wouldn't always match. As such, it's quite easy to imagine several ways for her flashbacks to be in the "Dustbringer" book without her being one. Her being the Dustbringer PoV is not even remotely confirmed.


currentlyry

She is! However, Nale is the only one who joined the order of the knights radiant patterned after him. So Ash could feasibly be the herald for lightweavers, but become a member of the order of dustbringers.


Radix2309

And it definitely aligns with her mental state more.


currentlyry

The more I think of this the more it makes sense! She goes around destroying her art so she’s sure to attract an ashspren. And if she promises to destroy stuff, well… she can keep that promise! I can just see her sliding down a hallway destroying all of her icons.


[deleted]

Aden I believe his name was in RoW. He got a POV and is Windrunner ready so I’m excited to see what he does


PotatoesArentRoots

adin, i think


[deleted]

Being an audiobook fiend strikes again


cwil40

I think that Lift’s character and her flashbacks specifically will give us more insight into Cultivation. The end of RoW seems to be setting Cultivation up as some sort of antagonist. So maybe at the end of Book 5 we’re left on a cliffhanger of sorts about her motives, or she comes out as a full blown baddie. Why did Cultivation give Lift the power to create Stormlight through food. There’s something big there. Plus, like you said, seeing Lift as a 20-30s something adult will be fascinating. She obviously has some trauma regarding her mother abandoning her or dying. Maybe >!her mother is/was a herald? Maybe that’s Lift’s end story, becoming a herald herself.!< Depending on what Sanderson does with Dalinar and Kaladin, I see Gavinor as a likely candidate for being our biggest “main” hero by the end of the series. Has the royal blood, so he’s arguably the rightful king, Jasnah has no heirs so it would make sense to pass it to Gavinor. He also has all the wisdom and training from people like Dalinar, Navani, Jasnah, etc. On the flip side, he could become so consumed with rage and revenge depending on what happens in Book 5 that he goes off the deep end and becomes a liability or an antagonist. Regardless, I think these young characters are going to be the thing that’s most exciting about Era 2. I love Dalinar/Kaladin/Shallan but I think Sanderson will give us some great “conclusions” to their stories and transition us to these “new” main heroes.


Frostking8251

Lift makes Lifelight


cwil40

Correct.


Frostking8251

Which is fascinating on its own. I'm eager to see the ramifications of it. I'm really excited to see more of her


cwil40

I am as well. I think she’ll have a big part to play given the direction Sanderson seems to be going with Cultivation, and Lift having such a unique relationship with that Shard.


Frostking8251

She's going to be one of the main POVs and is getting her own book


Kaladin1154

I think it will be similar to Eshonai/Venli in RoW, it’s their book but as we saw there is way too much happening to keep it that simple, now and later. The main characters now will still play an important role (the ones who survive at least) while the main focus will lie on the younger Generation. I mean apart from Dalinar/Navani most will be in the range of 30-40


Mewthredel

Lift has kind of accepted that she is going to age by the end of RoW.


aelin_galathynius_

Has Sanderson said it would be the same general cast of characters, just focusing on the younger ones? Or will we maybe move to Shinovar and see a brand new cast?


Frostking8251

The children will be full characters in the back half instead of toddlers lol. Otherwise, most of the cast will remain the same but with different POVs. We'll see Shinovar in book 5


aelin_galathynius_

I hope we have a Kal/Leshwi baby


Frostking8251

If Leshwi ever forsakes her devotion to Odium. If she even *can*


PiwiPiwiOnline

Well, she went with Venlo tot the Listeners right? It will be interesting to see how the Listener Radiants and the Listener Fused develop, what their role will be in de future.


Frostking8251

I mean, shit. That's true. I start my Rhythm of War reread next week. Leshwi and her other Heavenly Ones are going to lose their ability to reincarnate after what they did. I think that might take their powers away. We'll see a bit of Leshwi being depressed and yearning for the skies. Until an honorspren comes to her. None other than Riah, revived by the freeing of Ba-Ado-Mishram. Which Venli will be instrumental to. Later, she'll fly up to duel Kaladin, suspiciously without her lance. Then she'll summon her shardspear.


Noble-Planeswalker

I still believe Kaladin is going to be the main hero at the end of arc 2. I think his breakthrough in RoW is going to be monumental. Will he become part of a new oathpact that will bind Todium to Roshar? I feel that Todium is going to "win" but Wit or Jasnah or someone will have a twist that will prevent him from bring freed from the system. This also begs the question of in Arc 2or Era 2, if Todium wins, will the Knights radiant be fighting against the Blackthorn?


Frostking8251

I think potentially our main 10 characters might be new heralds


Noble-Planeswalker

Interesting. I feel like Szeth is going to end up dying and I really want to see more from Adolin.


Frostking8251

Hmm Szeth can't really die until after squiring more Skybreakers. Nale said Szeth would be the progenitor of a *new order* of Skybreakers