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pungvift

I like much of it, love some, and don't like some. Overall I enjoy most of it, and feel like they learn as they go.


Tanis8998

I’ve liked a lot of the stuff they’ve made, loved some of it (The Last Jedi, Rogue One, Visions), but most importantly- they’ve never made anything I’ve truly hated. So, to me they’ve done a very good job so far.


TLM86

Lucasfilm's been making quality stuff as usual, as far as I'm concerned. Some of it's among my favourites in the franchise (TLJ, *Rebels* S4) and some of it's...fine. Mostly it's good.


GeorgeHlaalu

Loved everything except the sequels. The hate Disney gets is too much.


nerdmoot

I like it a lot better than what we thought we were going to get, which was nothing. But yea overall really good.


Devils-Light

Honestly, the only thing I actively dislike is the sequels (mostly TFA); everything else for the most part is at least adequate or interesting, if not genuinely good.


BurSkills

Love Lucasfilm pre and post Disney. So far enjoyed all the content released from Resistance to THR comics. Loads more content on the way too! Im incredibly grateful!


mrsunrider

Sequels were wasted potential, but more good than bad imo; 2 outta 3 ain't bad at all. *Rebels*, *Clone Wars* season 7, *The Mandalorian, The Bad Batch* and *Visions* make for a pretty good record since Disney bought the franchise... and I haven't even mentioned the novels and comics. In all, I think The Mouse has done pretty good with it.


InGojiraWeTrust

I’ve loved all of what they’ve made with the exception of the sequel trilogy. Sorry, I know Reddit seems to like the sequel trilogy but I don’t. I defended TFA when it came out but TLJ made it hard to defend and TROS killed my interest in the sequel trilogy entirely.


Commander_Jim

Sequels - shit. Rebels - Solid Rogue One - Great Solo - OK Mandalorian - Awesome Bad Batch - Meh Resistance - LOL Visions - not interested Overall grade: C-


Kev8294

Sequels were ok. So much more they could of done especially with plasma and Finn. Everything else you mentioned have been great imo as well


LeftLiner

The sequels are mixed but mostly underwhelming. What I saw of rebels was okay. The Mandalorian is good but would be better if it wasn't connected to Star Wars. They'll just keep adding more and more to Star Wars which makes it less special. Imo the best thing Disney could do is re-release the OT in its original form, and then if they like they can do experimental stuff like visions, if they have to produce new stuff.


TLM86

That's not how you keep a franchise alive, though. Just re-releasing three old films and doing experimental, fairly inconsequential occasional series isn't the sign of a healthy franchise.


LeftLiner

I know. I'm not talking about what I think is good business sense but what I would like as a fan.


getoffoficloud

Well, don't watch anything made since 1983, then. Limiting yourself to the original trilogy will leave you without much to talk about here, of course. This place wouldn't even exist if they'd stopped with Return of the Jedi. Most Star Wars fans today weren't around in 1977.


LeftLiner

*I* wasn't around in 1977, what does that matter? Also, why do you think places like this wouldn't exists if they'd stopped with RoTJ? They printed books, technical manuals, made toys and there were plenty of Star Wars websites around before the prequels. I can talk about Star Wars for ages without dipping into the stuff from after 1983. Of course I can also talk for ages about the prequels, sequels and other stuff, too, but then it's mostly about the problems they have and how they negatively impact the OT.


getoffoficloud

The fandom was slowly dying. The books were for a shrinking niche market. Only The Clone Wars was keeping Star Wars alive, and bringing new fans on board. The prequels, themselves, are two decades old, now. Think about that. One of my favorite movies is 2001: A Space Odyssey. Big hit when it was released, a landmark film that transcended the sci fi genre. Notice its lack of a Reddit presence, how it only comes up sometimes in the general movie sub? For an example using another franchise, Marvel filed for bankruptcy before being saved by the movies, and in its case the comics were the source material. There's a reason comics shops make most of their money from toys and other merchandise. There's a reason the comics and sci fi conventions primarily focus on movies and TV shows. In case you need proof of what drives the fandom... https://youtu.be/b9l5zO-pYcc https://youtu.be/-r_K1gegPYU https://youtu.be/Efo26lgbeFA Those last two clips were in an arena, by the way. You really think the release of a technical manual, especially if there had been nothing since 1983, would have gotten those reactions? Sorry that nothing produced since 1983 appeals to your personal tastes. Can't please everyone. But, don't begrudge the existence of most of the fandom. Yes, most of the fandom loves stuff made after Return of the Jedi. Without it, we wouldn't be here.


LeftLiner

Bull. The fandom seemed perfectly healthy when I grew up, and there wasn't any clone wars then. But Why does a franchise have to survive? I didn't fall in love with Star Wars because it was a franchise or because of the fandom, I fell in love with Star Wars because the story resonated with me. Who cares if 2001 has a subreddit, as if that's what matters? If the fandom continues to love the material they'll stick around no matter what. There are still people around who talk, discuss and rave about Firefly, a show that aired for half a season close to twenty years ago. And if they stop, so what? As for me begrudging anyone else what they like, I was answering the question posed to Star Wars fans. And as one, this is what I feel. Endings are important parts of stories. I like when things I like end, if they end well. And I thought I liked the ending to Star Wars, but turns out I don't because that wasn't the end.


getoffoficloud

Again, the prequels were TWENTY YEARS AGO. For a fandom to survive, long term, it needs to bring in new fans. It turned out there were more stories to tell in this universe than Luke vs Vader. That story ended. These are other stories.


LeftLiner

Why do you keep bringing that up as if it proves something? When I got into Star Wars the OT was twenty years ago, and there were no prequels, no clone wars and the fandom was *fine*. We were all still nuts for Star Wars. So I don't buy your theory. I'm real sorry to phrase it this way because it's gonna sound like gatekeeping and it's not intended to, but: *Real* fans won't care. If you're a real, die hard fan about something you don't give a shit if it's ten, twenty or forty years old and nothing came in between. I really don't like throwing around what the definition of a fan is but you're not talking about fandom, you're talking about marketing, about keeping the buzz going. The fans will stay around no matter what. The old and the new. If the source material is good enough it will continue to attract people no matter how old it is.


getoffoficloud

"real fans"... Not surprised that was coming.


DarthTorana

> This place wouldn't even exist if they'd stopped with Return of the Jedi. Most Star Wars fans today weren't around in 1977. What, you think there wouldn't still be millions of SW fans without the Prequels or Sequels?


getoffoficloud

Not actively talking about it to the point of having multiple subs dedicated to different aspects of the franchise, no. How's the 2001: A Space Odyssey sub doing? Oh wait, there isn't one.


DarthTorana

I'm guessing you're young and weren't there in the 90s to see how massive SW was with new generations without the help of Prequels or Sequels. Especially if you think 2001 is remotely comparable lol. How are the Ghostbusters and Back to the Future subs doing? Very active and that's for franchises that never had a fraction of the fanbase that SW did.


The_FriendliestGiant

As a fan of Star Wars, you want there to be less Star Wars in the world?


DarthTorana

More does not equal better. I'd hate to see Star Wars get Simpsonsized. imo The Simpsons is the greatest show ever made. But there is now so much more bad than there is good that its become a joke. People dont remember how amazing it once was. Its flushed its whole legacy down the toilet. The Sequels really tarnished the both the OT and PT for me, so I definitely would be happier as a fan of Star Wars with three less movies.


The_FriendliestGiant

You're right, more does not equal better. But as someone who thinks the PT has almost no redeeming qualities and very much enjoyed the ST, warts and all, I'm quite happy that we got more. And there are lot of.folks out there who feel the same.


LeftLiner

Yeah, pretty much. Most of the stuff they've added has only diminished what made the original so special, and I don't see that changing any time soon. And most importantly, I think endings are powerful but things aren't allowed to ever end in Star Wars any more.


The_FriendliestGiant

I mean, you can just stop watching Star Wars, and consider RotJ as an ending, nothing at all is stopping you from doing so. Why would want to keep other people from enjoying something just because you've stopped liking it?


LeftLiner

Because these talented people and all this money could be going into new, exciting ideas. The Mandalorian is really good but would be sooooo much better if it wasn't a Star Wars project. It's not like it's a zero sum game, exactly, but every new Star Wars project is some other project that doesn't get made.


The_FriendliestGiant

If we're going to talk about the opportunity cost of media versus a potential superior alternative, personally I'd have a great long list to get through before we reached Star Wars. Every Adam Sandler movie, every season of reality television, every Dan Brown novel printed is a use of resources that could have gone to a superior work, after all.


LeftLiner

Sure, but those things aren't absorbing as much money and practically no talent of note.


The_FriendliestGiant

It costs just as much to make an Adam Sandler movie as it does something like The Hollars, or This is Where I Leave You, or Stranger Than Fiction, or Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist; modern dramas or comedies with no special effects and mid-tier casts, either way. Yeah, you couldn't make the next Star Wars on a Sandler budget, but you could absolutely flood the marketplace with sharp, funny, touching modern day stories. Every piece of work created carries the opportunity cost of another thing not done. And personally, I'd much rather hang on to flawed but enjoyable Star Wars and instead focus on the actual pop culture trash, instead.


ahangrywombat

As a Star Wars fan, I believe it’s better to kill off the series as a whole and let it live on in my dreams that to give me a big pile of shit.


The_FriendliestGiant

That seems like a really selfish way to think about something other people are clearly enjoying. You can just stop watching or reading new Star Wars and let it love on in your dreams without taking it away from others.


Superelksch

A Mixed bag, I absolutely despise the sequels, liked rogue one, solo had really cool elements and things I dont like, same thing with Bad batch, mandalorian season 1 was mostly good, season, 2 sucked for me and was a real down grade from season 1, I only liked Episode 5 of it, in season 7 of clone Wars only the last 4 Episodes worked for me, I did not like the games they did, Except Squadron, if i had friends who played with me it would have worked for me, but as a single Person I lost interest very fast, I have only Seen first 3 Episodes of Visions, but the first Episode was mixed, had 2 things I really liked Rest was not for me, second Episode was ok at best, third Episode just felt as if they three shit at my face it hated it on Episode 8 level, so for me it mostly does not work, there are too many inconsistencies and things that dont make sense Lore wise, but great that you can find enjoyment with it, have a good time


Superelksch

Oh I did not like rebels season 1&2 but liked 3&4 forgot about it sorry


CeymalRen

I love the Sequels. I like Rebeks, Mando, Solo, R1 and Resistance. Visions was ok and the Bad Batch was not for me. Overall I think they are doing a far better job than George did since RoTJ.


BabalorTheWise

Sequels were awful imo but mandalorian was good


Darth-Caesus

I believe they’ve done a marvelous job. Before the take over, Star Wars was pretty dead. It couldn’t compete with the franchises like MCU. The community was still alive, yes but younger audiences weren’t appealed to Star Wars because there are all these other franchises that still get movies regularly. Disney really revived Star Wars and brought it back to the spotlights, especially for younger audiences. The community has grown immensely over the past few years and even those that don’t like everything Disney has made since the take over, everyone has something about the new content that they can enjoy


IronJarl83

Saying Star Wars was dead before the buyout isn't accurate. Books, comics, games, etc...all have been steadily coming out.


Darth-Caesus

Yes but it didn’t reach as big of an audience like DC and their movies and games. The loyal fanbase, the people who grew up with the prequels or the OT fans still consumed content like they used to. The thing is that with no new announces when it came to cinema experiences, younger audiences weren’t noticing Star Wars. The only thing that really got little kids into Star Wars was The Clone Wars but that’s about it. And even that show didn’t have that big an Zuidtangent with the new young generation. By bringing TFA to the big screens, Star Wars got finally noticed by younger audiences. Don’t forget that the people who stopped watching Star Wars because of their disappointment after the prequels finally thought “hey this looks like the OT, this might be pretty good”. Star Wars got a lot of attention leading up to TFA. The release of big games like Battlefront and Battlefront II paired alongside those movies brought Star Wars back to the attention of so many people. Star Wars wasn’t dead. You are correct. But it got overshadowed so hard by other franchises that younger audiences didn’t bother trying to discover it


IronJarl83

IT wasn't being overshadowed by DC, and people still were introducing their kids to Star Wars at home. The best thing Disney did to draw fans in were the newer TV shows, which have been broadly accepted while their movies have pissed off half the fans. Not trying to say you're all wrong, but there's some stuff I disagree with.


Darth-Caesus

Yeah except DC overshadowed Star Wars big time. The release of The Dark Knight Rises, Man Of Steel and BvS, the Arkham series, new comic books every week, animated shows,…. The exact same can be said about Marvel. Disney brought Star Wars back to the game. Was it all for the better? No. Because it sometimes feels like they’re just rushing content to compete with those movies. It makes some stuff feel incomplete. But at least Star Wars got back up there as one of the best and most talked about franchise. And yeah I should’ve added that some people introduced their kids to Star Wars. I was around 6 when I was introduced to TCW by my older brother. He brought me back into Star Wars but I was the only one in my class that even knew what Star Wars was with the exception of my teacher. In the country where I live (Belgium), Star Wars just wasn’t something that kids watched. So while on a yearly base a lot of kids still got introduced to Star Wars, the number is 10x as high as it used to be


IronJarl83

I think Marvel did a lot to overshadow Star Wars more than DC. Speaking from USA perspective, it was still very common to see Star Wars books, toys, ads for mobile games, etc. from before the Disney sale. I think the Dark Knight trilogy got a lot of adults' attention, just not sure it translated to DC overshadowing Star Wars. You may be right, and maybe it's just my bias.


Darth-Caesus

Yeah the fact that you live in the USA is probably the big difference. When it came to Star Wars, it was definitely more alive in the USA then it was here in Europe with maybe the exception of the UK. Yes Marvel had probably a lot more to do with overshadowing but DC can’t be underestimated. It’s just kinda forgotten because currently it feels like DC has passed their golden age already (hopefully it’ll come back when the new movies/games release) Dark Knight definitely appealed more to adults you’re right on that one


ahangrywombat

The trilogy killed it for so many people. Yes, some of you liked it. For me, it felt like it had no direction. When it got there it felt so forced, like they needed a way to bring fans back. Mando - great. Visions - too much freedom on episodes. Disney is trying to pander to a wider audience and as a result it’s killing it for a lot of the older fan base. It’s just not Star Wars anymore and it never will be. Great for the new people, bad for the old people.


Nimperedhil

The sequels really brought back my love for Star Wars. They feel more like the OT, with better acting, dialogue and effects (more practical effects) than the prequels. My only criticism against TRoS is that it should be longer. There has been so much good content after Disney bought Star Wars, and I’m so excited for the future of Star Wars! :)


MioMioCola

7-9 were okay in my book. Which is a shame because of the wasted potential here. But having no consistent plan fucked that up. They were smart enough to use some of the franchise strongest tools (practical effects and refurbished designes from 4-6), but the story was lackluster. And they did Finn really really dirty. He was by far the character with the most potential, something that was new to the series but also really cool. Was it because China doesn't like black people? Dont know.


Nighforce

China is actually pretty racist towards people of colour. At least, that's what I've been told.


YorkyBar

Love it all except for the Rise of Skywalker. I don’t hate it, but there’s not much I like about it either.


alowe77

i could do without ROS by everything else has been nice


DarthTorana

I like most of what they've done outside of the Sequels, but that's a huge thing to fuck up and outweighs any of the good.


Nighforce

Personally, the sequels were trash. I don't consider them canon as they added nothing to the story but created a bunch of narrative inconsistencies. Everything else though, is good. Very good. Really makes one wonder about the massive discrepancy in story writing across the difference mediums.


MACUTAH

I Dont Like Rebels and I Tried ! I really Tried ! Bad Batch is OK Mandalorian is good The Sequels i Hate because I Love And Respect George Lucas World and Story I only Respect Treveros Script because I See and Feel that He actually tried


Kyle_Dornez

I liked Rebels and Mando, but I'm the novel guy and novels in new canon were pretty trash. Or at least, they're definitely not an improvement over the old canon, and in most cases they are just hollow supplements to the other media - like New Dawn and Thrawn are for the Rebels, books around movies, etc. And when they tried to have standalone worldbuilding novels, they were seriously atrotious like Aftermath and Bloodline, just hammering the timeline to fit the sequel movies without regard to any rhyme or reason. It's pretty sad. And to be honest, the less is said about the sequels the better.


getoffoficloud

The novels and comics in the old EU were mostly trash, even more so. For every Thrawn trilogy, there was a lot of things like Legacy. But, Star Wars is primarily a movie, and now TV, franchise, and it works best in those formats. You can't capture that whole Kurosawa samurai movie meets Leone western in space epic in book form. It's visual storytelling, and even the visual medium of comics can't capture it. For example, here's a beautiful video about Star Wars, Kurosawa, and other classic samurai films. https://youtu.be/wuWFRIViGKQ Sergio Leone... https://youtu.be/nv6T_Pe2o5k ... and Star Wars... https://youtu.be/V_dYZ0C589k Notice that even J. J. Abrams dropped his usual style and went full Leone homage. Not a lens flare in sight. The TV shows also have the same look and feel the franchise has maintained since 1977, right down to the Lucas wipes. That's what makes Star Wars timeless, only adjusting to advances in special effects technology. It's a cinematic experience, even with the TV shows. It makes jumping on easier, too. You're not going to have a jolting change in style that you'll have with, say, Star Trek. So, books and comics are always going to be just extra spin off material. That's why the old EU was constantly ignored and contradicted whenever a new movie and, eventually, The Clone Wars, was released. This had been the case since The Empire Strikes Back in 1980 just tossed all the books and comics that had been published over the previous three years, even the novelization of the first movie. The big difference now is that the old EU was built by the licensing department farming everything out to whoever and letting them do whatever with no real oversight, which eventually made it an unfixable mess. Now, by keeping it in house, they can keep it more consistent, but it's never going to be the main thing, just filling in blanks.


Kyle_Dornez

We'll have to agree to disagree then.


getoffoficloud

You really thought Star Wars was primarily a book and comics franchise? Notice how many people wear Star Wars merch? Ask those folks wearing Baby Yoda shirts about the Yuuzhan Vong.


--TheForce--

The good outweighs the bad, for sure, but the bad unfortunately takes the form of the last two films of the saga, which is a shame. I'm still in the game despite that misstep, am relatively hopeful for the future of the franchise, and really excited for a few specific projects (Kenobi, Boba Fett).


LastJediDefender

I’ve loved most of it except TRoS. IMO, Rian Johnson should have been given the keys to the Sequels. VII & VIII were my 2 favorite Star Wars fils, so I have been very satisfied


Stirlo4

While I haven't loved everything they've done, I think overall Lucasfilm has thrived under Disney. We're getting so much new content that there's something for everyone, and I don't think there have been any critical misses yet. Everything has been *really* well produced, and compared to Marvel, Star Wars creators have generally been given a lot more creative freedom, which I personally appreciate.


Ok-Street7504

Disney was started by a man that wanted to make a product that people would love to watch and share for Generations. In the few documentaries I've seen about him he really wasn't that interested in making money! He let other people like his brother worried about financing. It would appear that modern Disney is still interested and programming and movies that The viewer wants to watch and will share with you for Generations but of course with the aspect of making a profit. Unlike psalm other Studios that put profits before the fan base just my opinion.


Xelan255

The series I've seen thus far (Mandalorian, Clone Wars) are good and I hear the other series are too, so I'll watch them in the near future. The sequel movies however were shit if I'm being honest. While I liked some details the authors thought of, the story felt bad written and made no sense at all at certain points. And there are *so many* fails during the filming that actually made it into the finished movies. Would've preferred to not have sequels at all, at least not ones tied to the two previous trilogies.


InfiniteDedekindCuts

So far I’ve enjoyed it all. Not everything is a 10/10 obviously. But that was true before the Disney buy out, so nothing has really changed.


LucasEraFan

Thanks for the question, and congratulations on getting so much Star Wars that you like and love! When the buyout came to be, I had 35 years of Star Wars that I liked, and the vast majority (gotta be 99% or more) of it that I loved. I had read over 100 books and loved every movie during that time. I was super optimistic at every turn that I would continue to like and love Star Wars, although I was incredulous when the de-canonization of the EU and the abandonment of The Lucas Treatment were announced. I read Aftermath and was bemused. I saw TFA and was dumbstruck. Had a hard time getting to sleep that night and cried a little. I knew that I would never enjoy a new Star Wars story like I had for those decades before. I no longer follow or pay for new Star Wars content, I re-watch and re-read stories from before the buyout. Luckily, the EU under Lucas ownership has 133 regular novels alone and that doesn't count YA, comics, videogames, series. I even watched The Ewok movies an liked them similar to how I liked TCW movie in 2007. You are lucky to like and love the new Star Wars, and I wish you all the joy that Star Wars has brought me when stories in The Lucas Era were coming out. It's different for me, but I still get the joy from reading a book I haven't yet digested, albeit a decades old one lol. Enjoy, fellow fan! MTFBWY!


StarlessEon

I loved The Force Awakens when I first saw it. Yes it was safe and remake of A New Hope, however I felt it mostly paid respect to the original trilogy cast while providing decent new villains and likeable heroes. It set up a lot of things and it left me with a lot to look forward to. Then The Last Jedi came along and ignored or ruined pretty much all of those plot points and left me with no hope for what was to come next. Rey had already beaten Kylo and TFA had set up Snoke as the big bad, but then TLJ killed Snoke and left us with nothing. TLJ was a mess of a film, paying heavy disrespect to both the original cast and some of the new heroes. Then The Rise of Skywalker came out and in an attempt to course correct summarily retconned stuff from the original trilogy and minimised the sacrifice and redemption of Anakin. It's also a mess of a film, full of plot holes and ridiculous ideas / concepts that make no sense and undermine the integrity and believability of the entire series. Overall from the sequel trilogy I really like TFA, but I find TLJ and ROS offensively bad movies that ruined Star Wars. I basically pretend they don't exist because otherwise I can't even enjoy TFA. I thought Rogue One was surprisingly good. A bit goofy and misguided in parts but enough is good about it for me to enjoy it for the most part. Solo is a film that I could take or leave, I think it doesn't need to exist. It's not terrible, it's just unnecessary and sequel baited a bunch of stuff that is clearly never going to be resolved. The Mandalorian is really good and probably one of the few redeeming things in recent Star Wars media. It seems to be leading what I hope will be a good new set of live action shows. I'm not familiar with some of the other series so can't comment.


Nova_Lurker

I think disney has done a good job for the most part, with the only exceptions being episodes 8 and 9. I'm not a fan of those two movies.


IronJarl83

I'm not too happy with Didney, but the issues mostly have to do with Lucasfilm's handling. While Didney could have a more active hand in controlling the studio it bought, not sure it would be any better. While I dislike the SJW junk pushed, most of the movies felt mishandled, and I greatly dislike all the previous lore being swept away, since Didney is willing to thank the paramilitary Chinese group oppressing Uyghers for their help making Mulan, they're as fucked of a company as you can get.


ScalierLemon2

What “SJW junk” was pushed?


IronJarl83

Feminism, forced diversity, "Force is Female" garbage, the really weird economic preaching.


ScalierLemon2

What feminism? What forced diversity? "Force is Female" was a Nike campaign, not Star Wars. What economic preaching?


IronJarl83

Feminism. Especially in 8 everything a male character does needs "fixed" by a female. Rey to Luke, Rose to Finn, Holdo and Leia to Poe. Of the original trio only Leia isn't a twisted wrecked husk. Rey the untrained Mary Sue. Forced diversity. Finn's potential romantic partners had to be Asian and/or black? Had to show two random throwaway female characters kiss before a climatic battle? There had to be a Grand Admiral that was a black bisexual woman? Yeah...that was a Nike campaign. And at an event wearing a shirt with that slogan (but apparently not a Nike logo) Kennedy strung it into comments with other Star Wars lines. It's kinda symbolic of some major Lucasfilm employees being very confrontational with fans online, and swiftly labeling critics as incels, bigots, etc. Economic preaching, again mostly in 8. Canto Bight. Only way to become wealthy is selling weapons to Empire? And of course to become so wealthy they had to be totally cruel to children and kill innocents, as well as sell weapons to both sides? I'm not trying to get into a long and drawn out argument to change anyone's mind, just offering my perspective. If you don't agree, ok.


ScalierLemon2

> Feminism. Especially in 8 everything a male character does needs "fixed" by a female. Rey to Luke, Rose to Finn, Holdo and Leia to Poe. Of the original trio only Leia isn't a twisted wrecked husk. Rey the untrained Mary Sue. Rey wasn't the one who "fixed" Luke, that was Yoda. A man. Holdo could have been a man and Poe a woman and that story would have played out the same way. It wasn't Poe being a man that needed to be fixed, it was his hotheaded nature. Finn wasn't "fixed" by Rose, Finn saw through Rose that innocent people were being harmed by the First Order. If Rose was a guy, I doubt anything would have changed for Finn's story. >Forced diversity. Finn's potential romantic partners had to be Asian and/or black? Nothing about Rose's character *requires* her to be Asian. She just... is. >Had to show two random throwaway female characters kiss before a climatic battle? That was actually *after* the battle, in celebration. Kinda like [this famous phot0](https://imgur.com/a/KZIW39O) after WW2 ended. Gay people just... exist, I don't know what to tell you. >There had to be a Grand Admiral that was a black bisexual woman? Why not? What exactly is the problem with a black bi woman existing? >It's kinda symbolic of some major Lucasfilm employees being very confrontational with fans online, and swiftly labeling critics as incels, bigots, etc. A lot of critics of the sequels *are* incels and bigots. Not all of them, of course, but they *do exist*. >Economic preaching, again mostly in 8. Canto Bight. Only way to become wealthy is selling weapons to Empire? And of course to become so wealthy they had to be totally cruel to children and kill innocents, as well as sell weapons to both sides? You know that Rian Johnson didn't invent the concept of war profiteering, right? War is a massive industry. And the point of that scene wasn't that they were selling to the Empire. It's that they were selling to *both sides* of the war. I don't know how this is "economic preaching". It's something that actually happens in the real world.


IronJarl83

Ok, allow me to explain simply my mindset. 1) I'm pretty annoyed that for a science fiction series Lucasfilm has had even less alien characters in the newer movies than in the Prequels, despite the advances in digital and practical effects. So rather than seeing diversity that would make sense for a galaxy far far away, it feels like there was a woke agenda at play and diversity on display that just mirrors our world. (Mixed with the conduct of Lucasfilm employees online, it leaves a sour taste.) 2) I dont like what seems to be injections of current culture war into the franchise. What made Star Wars feel timeless is that it didn't try to insert socio-political opinions into the movies. That kind of messaging can make a movie feel dated, divisive, and take away that timeless feel. It could be my biases and cynicism which is why I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, I'm just explaining what made me think the way I do.


jedigeoffrey

Rey is not an attempt to “fix” Luke as evidenced in TLJ. He has the most complex story arch of any character. Everyone fails in TLJ whether they were Kylo, Hux, Holdo, Luke, Rey, Finn, Poe, or Rose. That’s what makes the movie intriguing and a downer. The women kiss after the climactic battle in TROS and who cares? It’s a small moment that lasts 2 seconds. Unless you are homophobic, who cares? Maybe it’s cause I am gay, but I thought nothing of it. The press cycle wanted to make it a thing, and that was inappropriate. I don’t see it as forced diversity. An actor of any race could have played those role, and race never is commented on. It does not effect the narrative, it simply effects you for a personal reason. As for feminism, the reason Rey is is feminist is because her gender is never a point of discussion. Now, does the Holdo story line explore sexism, I guess so? She fails as well. Her lack of trust in her crew forces them to distrust her. If she was cast make the narrative would be unchanged, but our personal reading would be very different. You are right though, I felt Poe’s story was a commentary on machismo mentalities. Toxic masculinity demanding aggressive action, when pacifism is what is called for. But that’s the whole movie. Rey, Poe, Finn are the aggressors, and Luke, Holdo, and Rose are promoting pacifism. It’s part of the theme. Economic preaching is new to Star Wars in some ways. Why is that a problem? Again… I am stuck trying to figure this out.


Giamborghini

Sequels are a little bit underwhelming but I’m not one of those haters lol. I love Rogue One, Solo, Rebels, clone wars, Visions, Mandalorian. Bad batch is meh in my opinion. So overall it’s a yes for me


throwaway_for_keeps

Not everything has been a runaway success, but we've gotten more incredible content than we ever have before. It's undeniably a net positive.


Schedule-Witty

When Disney bought Star Ward off from George Lucas and announced that they would remove all Star Wars content except the main content such as Skywalker Saga movies and animated series like The Clone Wars from canon, I thought it was very disrespectful of them to do that and scrap numerous writers and artists that created a lot of novels and comics over last years, if not decades, but personally I wasn't up to date on everything other than the main content. I found the sequel trilogy to be very disappointing and copying Marvel styled movies but then they have made Star Ward great and even mainstream in my opinion with The Mandalorian and all of the announced live action series like The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Kenobi etc. I am glad with how Star Wars is after the sequel trilogy disappointment now


hardcore-spatula

Rogue one was Disney and that’s my favorite movie of all time.