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cubbyarts

I feel like this movie has really united the fans in believing that all three versions of the character are the best Spider-Man in their own way. I grew up with Tobey and he inspired me so much as a child. Andrew inspired me through my high school years in a different way that was so different from Tobey. When Tom was introduced, I was in college and I loved the new direction they took with him. I’ve always loved all three versions for different reasons. And I’m so happy to see Tom’s version evolve in a way that the other two never really got the chance to do. I loved the Stark suits because they were so different. Despite the changes to the character, I absolutely love MJ and what Zendaya brings to the character. I would love for Uncle Ben to be properly acknowledged, but I get that they didn’t want to just retrace the same story for a third time. I just want them to tell a compelling story — and I think they’ve done a fantastic job so far. I love the Home Trilogy and what it represents, but I’m also so excited for what Tom’s next trilogy holds!


CanOPudding

Definitely not how I left the movie, honestly. Sucks that there's ppl looking at it on such a shallow level. To me, the film solidified the first trilogy of Tom Spidey as the long form origin story. Got you to really care about May so it hits like a truck when she dies, showed us a Peter who's a hero but doesn't have the responsibility thing down yet, and then finally galvanizes him into a mature, world ready Spider-Man who's prepared to take up the mantle for real this time, without the support of others but ready for the challenge, and determined to find a way to earn back the people he lost and accept responsibility for the choice he made. He's not better now because he's comic accurate, its just a new, harsher world made to challenge a stronger, more mature Peter and show hos strength through his conviction. The best Spider-Man stories have him deal with major loss so you can see him stand back up and be a hero against the odds, and eventually make things better. Sucks that a lot of people just see it as a long road to what they rlly wanted, instead of the important journey of Spider-Man becoming the great power, great responsibility guy


creditcardtheft

> Got you to really care about May so it hits like a truck when she dies This. I can't comment enough on this. Unlike Ben, we spent time with May, across 3 movies. We saw her for like 6 years and constantly hear from Peter how much she means to him. It had so much more impact.


Tesgoul

As someone who loves NWH (and not just for the fan service), you are completely right. If you left the theatre happy that Ned and MJ are gone because they can introduce Harry or Gwen, and make Raimi 2.0 movies, I don't know why you are still watching MCU Spidey and should just go back reading comics. I'm excited to see a poor Peter Parker, not because it's comic accurate, but because it will be interesting to see a character go through that as an experienced Spidey, and not as a rookie. The coffee shop scene is great, not because they can introduce Gwen in the next movie, but because it's heartbreaking and set up the foundation for a great romance in the future.


theclasssy

Theres no chance they'll let go of Zendaya.


Caboverde-Evora

Wait, so Zendaya as MJ is done? MJ and Ned won’t be in the next movie? They will just introduce a best friend as Harry and a new girlfriend as Gwen?


Tesgoul

Not according to me. Some people think so, but I find it to be highly unlikely. The "foundation for a great romance" I'm talking about is about Peter and MJ


rcc12697

Ned has to be in the next movie there’s no way they introduce magic and then just let him disappear into obscurity


Shad0w_King22

Yea I mean tbh I like mcu Peter Parker more. Maybe because it was the Spider-Man movie of like my time? I dunno. But like yeah it for me portrays Spider-Man more realistically. A high school kid got bit by radioactive spider . How do you expect a high schooler to understand how real world is like and how to deal with the real world . And more so how do you expect him to make a costume that’s like a jumpsuit on his own. He’d rather make suit outta hoodie. And even after he gets a suit from iron man which would be kinda logical? Like in a world full of heroes and billionaires who wouldn’t be interested in a guy who can hold a bus coming at him with his bare hands. And both homecoming and far from home actually had relatable stakes . Atleast homecoming had a stake that we could kinda relate to loosing your crush. And it was actually an issue I think Spidey must’ve dealt with before. He also wasn’t iron boy jr… he fought vulture in homemade suit. I’m far from home he was dealing with loos of a father figure . His mistakes costed him. His trust was broken by someone whom he believed to be a mentor or something. Then entire movie was about how he was missing out on his vacation (this is a subplot not main)because of hero duty. And by the end he created his own suit with use of stark tech because cmon anyone in their right mind would use an already existing tech. Being a genius doesn’t have to mean that you make everything on your own. First movie : you dont need to live up to everyone’s expectations . Second movie : you are you not someone else. You are you be you. Both were pretty cool issues and actually relatable to teens. And it was also pretty logical for the current decade . Spider-Man is about getting back up to deal with his problems Not about living in a crappy apartment and worrying for rent. Yes I know it’s also a part that makes Spidey relatable but that’s not the only thing that makes spider man him. That’s just a part of the Sam raimi trilogy but it was also because I think that it was the problem that target audience dealt with. No way home was epic . I’m excited for the new trilogy but cmon it didn’t fix mcu Spider-Man it just was another cool addition to mcu Spidey journey.


rcc12697

I like them more cause they’re so different


Shad0w_King22

Yea… mcu Spidey felt more cool to me… and I guess it was cool to give Spidey a break from having a super shitty life. I don’t get it . Why do people always compare everything to Sam raimi Spidey? I mean that’s cool and it was an epic trilogy but still each of those movies were cool in their own way. And why does everyone want comic accuracy? What’s more cool? Seeing new adventures or just going through old stories again and again? Not disrespecting anything just asking.


Yourappwontletme

Also the fact that Tom and Zendaya were much closer to high school age when they started playing their characters. So it makes it more relatable to the whole coming of age story. Tom is currently 1 year younger than Tobey was when Tobey first played Spider-Man. Tom started at 19, and still looks incredibly young. Tobey was 26 and looked it.


The_Punisher1776

Im holding out hope that Peter will get MJ back as his love and Ned as his best friend. I made a post about possible plot/loopholes you should check it out for more info.


Tesgoul

Not bringing them back would be an incredibly stupid decision. They have to find a way to bring their memory back in a way that doesn't undermine Peter's sacrifice, but they have to bring them back.


The_Punisher1776

If everyones memory wasnt wiped, but just repressed would make sense. People still remember Spiderman, so maybe all MJ and Neds memories of Peter just because memories of Spiderman. If he reveals who he is, they would know him again, without undermining his willingness to make the sacrifice. The sacrifice isnt important, its the fact he was willing to make it without second thought


thomaspazs

I think this was part of the story after the 'One More Day' arc in the comics: Brand New Day. I'm not entirely sure but I think after he unmasks himself people remember at least a little but when their memories were wiped they remember almost everything but the parts were Peter was there its just a big blur for them. ​ Right now I think Peter came to terms with the fact that MJ and Ned are better off without him because they'll always be in danger when they're in his life, but in the next story I think MJ will try to find a way back to him because there's something she just can't shake off.


The_Punisher1776

I hope youre right


Yourappwontletme

Peter is an idiot. MJ loves him and told him to come find her and make it right and he defied her wishes. That's not what someone who loves another does. She knew the risks and didn't care, because she loves him. Same for Ned and Peter's best friendship. It's incredibly selfish, and pointless seeing as how Ned now has magical powers. With training from Dr. Strange, he could look after himself.


Yourappwontletme

There's no undermining to be had. They said "come find us after the spell" and that's what he should have done. Not bringing them back at the end of the movie knowing who he is was an incredibly stupid decision. After ~2 hours and 15 minutes of fan service they say "f*ck you, Peter, MJ and Ned don't get a happy ending" He should have told MJ, Ned and Happy. That's all the people that need to know. Cuz Nick Fury will eventually catch up to him on his own. That shit ending doesn't make me want to pay to see another one.


FullOriginal7665

So you wanted his sacrifice immediately undermined so you could go home feeling good? Loser


blue-1942

There was course correction… the reality is they want to sell tickets. If a lot of people are complaining about something then they are going to find a solution to keep those people invested and coming back for more. I’m not saying I agree, but that’s the way it is. They have said themselves that this third movie was going to be a Kraven movie, so I don’t believe it’s all as planned out as you think. They are just that good at writing stories and making connections to previous entries. I loved the movie as you did, don’t let other people’s opinions sour it for you


Wizecracker117

Kraven was the backup plan if they couldn't get Andrew and Tobey.


blue-1942

Ah thank you for the correction, but the point still stands, their plans can change at any time


Dr_CheeseNut

Nah. Far From Home made a billion dollars, it was Sony's most popular movie. People complained sure, but it would've made tons of money regardless (not this much, but it still would've been one of this years top films). The MCU Spidey films were already generally loved It was always planned to be a origin story, Kevin Feige said it was going to be like Harry Potter years ago now when Homecoming was coming out. The plots changed, but the arc stayed the same. Hell, from some plot leaks of the Kraven version of the film, we know it was supposed to lead into NWH as the fourth film. This was always planned in some way


Yourappwontletme

Not having a happy ending for the trio is a way to keep people invested? I think it's off-putting. Why should I pay to see another movie after this shit ending? If the movie had ended after the spell, and didn't show Peter directly defying his love's wishes, then it would be a lot better. 2 hours and 15 minutes of non-stop fan service ended with a big middle finger to the fans. Will they/won't they has been done to death in the Spider-Man movies. The next one better start with him telling MJ and Ned on their first day at MIT.


blue-1942

The ending was not a “big middle finger to the fans.” Peter intended to tell MJ what happened at the coffee shop, but he realized when he saw her injury that she’d be safer without him. He loves her too much. The whole point of the movie was that his actions have consequences, and this was showing that he learned his lesson...


Yourappwontletme

But her feelings don't matter? Cuz that's what you're saying. She told him she loved him, kissed him, told him to come back, and cried.


blue-1942

They did matter. He wants to be with her that’s why he showed up, he walked away because he doesn’t want her to get hurt. I understand what you’re saying, it’s not fair he made the decision for her, but the feelings she had for him are gone she doesn’t even know who he is. He took that as an opportunity to leave her out of his dangerous life


fringyrasa

I loved the movie and the ending, but the whole discourse around MCU Spider-Man over the years was just really weird to me. All the other characters in the MCU are not 1-to-1 adaptations. Tons of characters are very different from their comic counterparts. After two other versions, I was ready for them to make this Spider-Man different. I feel like the only reason Spider-Man got this much attention is because there were 5 previous films about him. But it does feel like fans are stuck thinking of him in only version of him. The poor, solo Spidey. And honestly, he hasn't been that in the comics for a long time. So they're either remembering stories from when they were kids or are taking the Raimi movies as gospel. I'd rather allow this character to change and evolve instead of just telling the same stories over again.


bythewayne

It's like a Paul McCartney concert. You expect him playing some of the Beatles songs. I mean there are Wings fans and from his solo career too, but the Beatles are the Beatles....


Yourappwontletme

Ok, I'll radioactive spider bite. Peter directly defying the wishes of the girl who loves him, is like if Paul McCartney played the first couple notes of Let It Be, stood up, flipped off the crowd and left the concert. She told him she loved him, kissed him and cried. And he just left her in the coffee shop. The movie should have ended after the spell and left when he goes to tell MJ ambiguous. That ending left a sour taste in my mouth. Leaving me asking "Why did I just pay to see an unhappy ending?"


bythewayne

It's not unhappy. It's bittersweet. He understands that he is an obstacle in their right to live a normal life. MJ loved him, but he's also her first boyfriend. If they belong together destiny will pair them up again. Forcing her to be involved in Peter's double life when her future is open wide is not fair. Peter just lose aunt May for the same reason.


Remarkable_Title2085

Um no Peter lost aunt May because he is so stupid he invited 4 or 5 super villains into her home


bythewayne

Kinda. But if he wasn't spider-man he wouldn't even have the opportunity to do that


sevensamuraitsunami

I don’t see why you’re crying over it. I would rather the writers have more material to work with for the next film.


Drag0nV3n0m231

I always liked peter’s MCU look and stuff but I’m glad this is his “origin story” trilogy. Spider-Man, as a character, suffers. That’s just his character.


HermHunter55

Yeah I had no problem with Tom not having rent problems or an uncle Ben. This was a different take on the character and I accepted that a long time ago in 2016. Not sure why ppl were expecting this to be Tobey 2.0 or something, change is good


Bleck_Pentha

I’ve been reading SM comics since the 80s and I hate broke, down on his luck, the world thinks he’s an under achiever Peter. It makes no sense. He’s a bonafide genius and all he can manage to do is scrape by with his super model wife? It’s dumb but as you stated there is a huge swath of the fan base that loves it. I loved this movie and I’m looking forward to future films but I just shook my head when he walked into that apartment.


GoobieMcDoobs

This is EXACTLY how I honestly left the movie, and the only thing I’ll call myself dumb over is that yes, I should have been aware that Feige and Co. obviously had been planning this for a while and my assumptions that they had been making “mistakes” were ignorant and ridiculous. That being said, present were all the emotions I felt for him watching this movie were all there, having felt super sad. But am I supposed to say I’m not happy? “I hope you’re happy he’s with no family and friends now.” That’s what’ll make for such a great next trilogy, and that’s what made this movie so amazing. That’s what we’re supposed to be seeing and feeling as viewers, and problems and tragedies are the core of good films, and narrative stories in general. Sure, a plucky light hearted movie full of action and adventure can work for a one off sort of thing, but yeah, I will shamelessly say that this is what this character NEEDED.


Kind_Bag

People are happy cause one of the key elements of Peter parkers character is his life sucks. And you can relate to some of his struggles. They finally made a great spider man movie. Both identities conflicting each other. How his choices have consequences. The fact that you welcomed their shitty new approach with open arms for the sake of being new is worse than wanting them to be more comic accurate.


One_Hour_Poop

"Finally"? The first two were great.


cubbyarts

I never really got the hate for FFH. At the very least, the movie’s just fine. It’s certainly not outright bad or “a dumpster fire” as some people say. I personally really enjoyed it — and I can honestly say that I love every Spider-Man movie they’ve made. I have a much tougher time enjoying the Venom series though.


Fantasy_Connect

As MCU flicks? Yeah. As stand alone films? Nah. As _Spider-Man_ adaptations? Fuuuuuck no.


Kind_Bag

Homecoming was great ffh was a dumpster fire shithole of a movie. Thank goodness they fixed all the dumb shit they pulled in ffh


Past_Chemical_8301

How was it a dumpster fire? FFH ain’t perfect but better than other spider man movies for sure.


Kind_Bag

It’s really not. Even tasm2 is better than it and that movie is dog shit


Past_Chemical_8301

So are you gonna say why it sucks or you’re just gonna keep saying it sucks without giving any proper criticism?


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Past_Chemical_8301

Did I asked for an essay? There’s things I didn’t enjoy from FFH but to say it’s a dumpster fire, you’re just reaching. And saying TASM2 is better, you’re fucking high.


treetopkingdom

His choices had consequences in the previous movies. They weren’t as dramatic as the others though. But relatable none the less. He messes up and gets something important to him taken away in homecoming and stopping vulture had the consequences of Liz (his crush) moving away. Really relatable at least to children. In ffh choosing to trust mysterio has consequences. He puts his friends in danger and even after he stops him he gets his identity revealed.


Kind_Bag

The first two films his actions have consequences but nothing comes of it and he fixes it all flawlessly anyway. This movie had high stakes and they showed key characteristics I love about the character that were missing in the first two. They truly showed the duality how Peter Parker wins spider man loses and vice versa. The great power responsibility speech. How he went from some kid who had it all to someone who lives rough yet still sacrifices everything just to help the little guy. Those things were completely missing in homecoming and ffh or if they were there they didn’t show it well. But nwh was just satisfying all around. All my issues with mcu spidey they fixed. And the acting from every single member of the cast was just better than what they had already shown.


thatonec9fan

the stakes were incredibly high in the first two as well? This film would not be possible without the first two, and finding his own confidence are a direct result of the hardship he goes through. He absolutely has consequences in the first two films, they just are different from the classic “spiderman” ones.


Kind_Bag

The consequences for his mistakes is nowhere near as serious as it was for nwh. They weren’t incredibly high. They tried to make it seem that way but because of the tone of the films it never felt tense. Something they finally figured out for nwh. How to create meaningful consequences and create tense stakes.


thatonec9fan

Meaningful consequences in the first two films: -Peter trying to take the Vulture into his own hands in Homecoming before her was ready, led to the Ferry being destroyed, and people would have died if it weren’t for Iron Man. He was generally in over his head in homecoming and he nearly lost friends because of it. -Because of this incident, he thinks he is no longer spiderman because he doesn’t have the suit, before realizing that he doesn’t need the suit and the avengers to help people (although imo homecoming is the weakest movie of the three in terms of stakes and lasting consequences) -After Endgame, Peter losing Iron Man meant he had to grapple with his sense of self and who he was. He relied heavily on Iron man and because of this, he is not sure who he wants to be without him. -This leads to him putting this role of Iron Man into Mysterio, and giving him Edith. You can draw a direct line from this moment to the whole stakes of the third movie (Beck having Edith meant he could reveal Peter’s identity). The whole sequence of Mysterio’s dream sequence was brought on because of Peter. The action “feeling tense” is very subjective and I’m not making that judgement for you. I just think that the claim that Peter “didn’t have high stakes” about the first two movies is false, though. And sure, they were bigger in terms of Peter’s personal growth in NWH, but this personal growth is not at all possible without the growth he goes through in the previous two movies.


Kind_Bag

I’m not saying the first two didn’t have high stakes. Just that cause of the tone of the films it didn’t really seem that way. Nwh is as more like majority of mcu films where they are serious for the most part but they splash comedy here and there. The first two mcu spidey films were just Disney channel content disguised as a spider man film. Hence why it doesn’t feel like the high stakes they try to project mean anything and the consequences aren’t a big deal seeing how they’re pretty easy to deal with.


thatonec9fan

I guess the tone is just a taste thing then. FWIW I think there’s plenty of things to criticize the first two movies about. The pacing isn’t always the best (ESPECIALLY in Homecoming), they don’t develop MJ and Peter as much as I would have liked, and certain things about Mysterio are yada-yadad to hell. I guess it’s just becoming a cliche in movies for the stakes to be “the fate of the universe” So I always appreciate creative stakes, which the first two have in my opinion.


Tesgoul

>The fact that you welcomed their shitty new approach with open arms for the sake of being new is worse than wanting them to be more comic accurate. Why the fuck do you want to see the same thing over and over again ? "Whoa, Peter is really poor, I have only seen that in 224 comics, 7 tv show, and 5 movies !" I'm really excited to see the next chapter of Tom's Peter Parker, but that doesn't mean I want to see him work for the Buggle so he can pay rent. If I wanted that, I would just rewatch Raimi's movie.


Kind_Bag

If they’re gonna try something new then make it good. Turning spider man into an incompetent naive idiot that easily gets everything cause of his rich sugar daddy is fucking shit. They don’t have to focus on him being broke all the time. But it’s still an essential part of the character. And I’d rather them repeat something that ain’t broke over and over than see them try something new that takes away what made the character unique in the first place.


prince-hal

Preach.


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Teliporter334

Agreed


Dr_CheeseNut

Let me ask you this. Do you think One More Day is a good story. No? Well then why? By your logic it's for the best, Peter was married to MJ, would probably have a child one day if things continued, One More Day fixed that right? Like, his life is supposed to suck right, he can't have that. My point is, this argument falls apart, I don't think you disliked him for "not having those core traits", you hated it for being different. Peter did struggle, he did have consequences, just wasn't world shattering as he wasn't too old yet The point of Spider-Man is to be relatable, sure the struggles are a key part, but that doesn't mean he can never be happy, never have innocence, etc. MCU Spider-Man is relatable to high school me, and now that he's an adult those struggles will relate to older me soon enough, and I'm sure once he's out of college and piecing his life together that it'll be relatable then as well


ReDefiance

I like my Peter to have an absolute roller coaster of a life, put that poor bastard through the ringer. The worse the suffering the better I say. As long as he stays responsible and makes the impossible choices that none of us could. But One More Day is the opposite of that. It’s a story about Pete being a selfish idiot man-child that makes a deal with literal Satan. He shirks all responsibilities to the life he was building with MJ and reverts to a child. Just because I want him to have a hard time dealing with money, time, school, jobs and relationships doesn’t mean I don’t believe in character development. He could have struggled with those things all the more while he raises his daughter and tries to be a good husband. Alas… Marvel said no to that.


Dr_CheeseNut

Yes, struggles. I never said he can't have that. But the problem is that Peter is supposed to be completely miserable and can't have a single good thing in his life according to the last guy. What Peter suffers in the home films isn't enough, but he's a teenager, if you make him have thing's worse he litteraly wouldn't have a single good thing at all. Now that he's an adult there's more room for that stuff That's the point, it's a balance of struggles and being happy, and for a teenage Spider-Man it worked. Saying he shouldn't have anything good as a teenager and no room to breath is as I said, the equivalent of saying One More Day was a good thing for adult Spider-Man


ReDefiance

Suffering is a staple of the character and a fundamental part of a good Spider-Man story. Pete’s not real, you don’t need to worry about him. It’s just entertaining to watch a man pushed to the brink but keep fighting. You make it sound like people with my mindset have some kind of personal grudge against a fictional character. And all the Spider-Men have had good and bad things in their lives. And all of them were teenagers in their first movies. It’s just a question of tone which is just a question of personal taste.


Dr_CheeseNut

But Spider-Man as a character isn't **only** about suffering. He's not meant to never be allowed a single moment like the first guy implied, never was about you specifically man, and sorry I made it seem like it was. He's meant to be relatable and that means ups and downs. I'm not constantly miserable, even if I am unhappy often with how things are turning out, I don't think most of us are. I never meant to say anything that made it feel like you all had a grudge (sorry that I messed up with my points and made you feel that way), I was trying to say you all were taking the suffering thing way too far. Tom Holland's Peter went through just enough for a high school Spider-Man and that Spider-Man as a whole is meant to have happiness, even if he has to struggle to maintain it. I don't think Tobey's a good comparison here, as he wasn't actually in high school much in his first film, the graduation happened pretty quickly. Overall Tom's Spider-Man has still been through a lot, more than Tobey in his first film even after he graduated, along with Andrew of course. That's mostly due to the amount of time spent in high school though


Vinny6420

I have a question. The spell was to make everyone forget who Peter Parker is as a person? Or to make everyone forget that Peter Parker is Spiderman? Because if it's the latter, then Ned(and MJ) should still know Peter as Peter... they knew him before he became Spiderman....


Potato_Whisperer_

It was for everyone to forget Peter Parker exists


Vinny6420

But that's stupid and unnecessary. But when they did the spell the first time, where Peter kept adding onto it, was that spell different, because at that time May was still alive, so it wouldn't make sense for Peter to disappear from her life


CarnageEvoker

The original spell was to make the world forget Peter Parker is Spider-Man in his universe, but that got botched because of the changes Peter kept trying to make The counter-spell at the end makes everyone forget about Peter Parker entirely in his universe


Vinny6420

Yeah that's what I was thinking..I just wanted to get that cleared for myself


CarnageEvoker

No worries, things easily get confusing especially now with botched magic and multiverses getting involved


maestersplinter

Reality tv have made people think movies are real


figgityjones

I’m right there with you. I don’t think it was comic book elitists who were really pushing that narrative though. Imo anyways. I could definitely feel most of the toxicity coming from one specific movie fan group :P


bythewayne

I don't understand the point. You praise the company making some decisions because they are part of the journey and when they take other decisions is not anymore the journey and its some fans responsibility.... I tell you there are more important factors from the business side and the writing side of the IP than ten dudes writing on the internet


MarvelPugs

For real but you should’ve spoiler tagged last bit


GhostfaceTeabag

I was in the exact same place in high school as Tom was in his movies and I think that I would probably need help too, if I was 16 fighting a supervillian and that's what people were complaining about


Andrew__08

the spider-man that this "particular type of fan" wants is THE REAL SPIDER-MAN because we are the majority, thank you very much. They got it right this time


Dr_CheeseNut

Things like this make me feel better for liking the past two films as much as I do


creditcardtheft

>To all the Comic book elitists out there who wanted MCU Peter Parker to be broke, unlucky, sad (for some reason), you got it. Not only is he those things but he’s got not friends or family now. I hope you’re happy with yourselves. Unfortunately I still see many not liking Tom, wanting him to stop playing Spider-Man and have Andrew as Spider-Man for Sony.


rcc12697

He was Spider-Man ever since his first appearance people bitching he wasn’t literally have zero knowledge of the character whatsoever


reallyaccurate

Tbh I agree with you. I loved how in the MCU movies, Spidey had a support system, and he was part of this larger world of heroes and villains. Yeah sometimes he was mostly used to move the plot forward (like in Civil War) but in the comics Spidey doesn’t exist in an isolated environment. I was also bummed about the ending, but I’m hopeful that should Holland continue playing Spider-Man, there will be other opportunities for him to collaborate/interact with Spiderverse characters we haven’t seen on screen before and be part of other cataclysmic MCU events.


ReDefiance

I am indeed happy that Pete is suffering. It is incredibly entertaining and all the more inspiring. More suffering! All the suffering! Have his best friend slap him while an astronaut proposes to the woman he loves! Make him take pictures even! Woo!


DarthKel

I am totally on board with your thoughts here. I don't understand why it gets so adversarial and binary when people consider where MCU Spidey fits. This film gave me a new appreciation for all 3 versions. They all represent the character well and in their own ways. AG brought the fun, hyper Spidey, forgetting his troubles as he enjoys playing Spider-Man. He also struggled with the personal guilt and issues of self worth Spidey often wrestles with. (It was brought up as a joke in this film but, Spidey comics are FULL of negative self talk. It is a huge reason why so many people connect with this character.) TM brought the gravity of the why and a strong sense of empathy and the strange but essential mixture of sadness and hope. The equation of which adds up to something we all need, resilience. We learn why Spidey's mission is important to him, has real consequence and in his eyes, demands sacrifice. TH illustrates how Spidey values his relationships in his life and how community is important to him. Having a support system might not be traditional Spidey, but over the years he has always found good people and they tend to find him too. He is humbled by them. Iron Man might have been TH's way in, but over the course of three films, he made choices that reflected that he truly cares about his community, the few people in his life and ultimately, in the idea that with great power comes great responsibility. Spidey has so many ways that people can connect with him. Each version allows that to happen in it's own way. The truth is that despite having spectacular powers, amazing adventures and enduring terrible tragedy, Spidey is still more like you, me, and everyone in this thread because of the qualities above that shine through. He finds family in those around him, value in those who doubt him, and grace in those who mean to harm him. Anyone can wear the mask because everyone has had moments in their life, both terrible and triumphant, when they felt exactly like Spider-Man. Each of us share something incredibly important at our core with Peter, his heart. If anyone needs a reason why this movie is on a pace to earn similar to Avengers: Endgame, this is that reason.


bro281michaelyuh

I found it strange how ppl were so hellbent on giving him the saddest life. I get that Spider-Man’s supposed to be altruistic and make sacrifices for others and all but damn that was a bit much. He didn’t get to keep 1 thing that made him remotely happy. No family, no friends, no mentors, nothing. If that’s not literally the saddest thing ever then idk what is


Yourappwontletme

I think it's bs that MJ specifically told him to come get her after the spell, told him she loved him, kissed him, cried. And then he just left her in the coffee shop none the wiser. She knew what she wanted and that knowing he was Spider-Man could cause harm to her, but she didn't care. She loved him and he directly went against that. Spider-Man 4 better start with him walking back into that coffee shop having grown a set and telling her who he is.


octiny

Great movie but ending sucked, plain and simple. It's off putting for me to go see another Spiderman movie as a casual. The amount of plot holes in that ending could fill the grandy canyon. The money they make is made up of mostly casuals viewers. Getting rid of MJ & ned would be the dumbest move they make in a long time. Too many plotholes for them to just leave it like that. I'd be surprised if the next one does a quarter of the B/O this one did if they get rid of them. 9/10 movie that gets bought down to 6/10 due to ending.


DuarteN10

Well now you’ve replaced those same dudes you’re crying about…tough


WingedPrince

Andrew is the best.


enes89

yes ending was quite bitter, after all those amazing tech , iron spider etc , he was left without anything. how come he didnt get to keep any stark tech ?


BleedBluePunk

Yes we've seen Uncle Ben die before and poor Peter Parker, but those were different Spider-men. It has to be comic-accurate chronologically. This Peter Parker started out with a nano-tech suit flying through Europe and fighting Thanos when he was just 17. In his first year as Spider-man. If this were Spider-man Part 6, no one would take issue with Spider-man having a nan-tech suit and inheriting Stark's billions. But for Homecoming, which essentially is this version's origin story, it's off chronologically. It's like a Batman origin story where Bruce becomes Batman yet in the same film Bane breaks his back.