By - Darkshreaders3
I wish this could happen in idw but it won't. It would be a funny moment if surge couldn't bring herself to hurt amy
yeah since i doubt we are going to see amy meet surge in anyway and if it does happen it may cause a battle
Yeah i don't see them working out with each other, y'know with Surge's whole hating Sonic, and Amy's whole loving Sonic
yeah....the ships still cute
I need to see Surge meet Knuckles. That interaction should be funny af, especially if she accidentally pulls up on his island.
I feel like they’d drink together
Prolly smoke weed together and laugh at Rouge’s 1-Polygon tits.
I'll admit, I didn't get that the joke was supposed to be Surge crushing on Amy. I thought the joke was that Surge was *afraid* of her. That is a *very* creepy expression on Amy's face.
I mean… doesn’t her pikopiko hammer weigh over a ton? Plenty of reason to be scared.
Oh, if only you knew...
Na homie, if it' going to happen, I want Surge to be toxic stalker kind of stick. I will find it hilarious if Amy got a piece of her own medicine from her worst 2000's personality.
i mean surge is based on delinquents and often in media the delinquents will often have a character near them who will show their softer side
I don't know if that's confirmed, but I believe she has traits of those tropes.
Still, I want Surge to be toxic towards Amy, this isn't for the sake of romance for me, this is comedy.
c'mon, Amy Rose was good in the 2000s, people just exaggerate in this.
Sometimes. You know my stance, some games she was great, some she was bad.
when I think of 2000's I think Battle, X and Free Riders, I could be wrong in their release date, but the idea is get Amy's worse interpretations and throw it back at her, show her cringe at a similar scenario but at the other end of the stick.
i know it's your opinion, but if you want i can show you why this mindset is wrong.
I don't see how this mind set is wrong, but I'm willing to hear you out. Though it's a bit late for me, so I might not respond as fast.
I like the idea as I think it can show Amy growing out of this toxic personification people have of her, I like to imagine she could learn something from this experience. And I find this trope funny, the "taste of your own medicine".
the problem is that 100% of Amy Rose criticism is biassed and based in lies and incorrect things.
[this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLxGVEGO78) explains this very well, i also have others sources i want to show you if you want.
I’ve actually saw this video a while ago, and it helped me appreciate Amy more, it even made me enjoy her time in Heroes. Though Cream is my favorite female character, I like how Amy is portrayed more active and confrontative, yet still empathetic.
I agree with most of the video, I suppose the only thing I would oppose is she skips with some of her bad takes, like battle. And I enjoy the negative traits that the video shows in her.
But I believe it does not erase her bad portrayals, her bad personifications will be their, whether we like it or not. Some places still portrayed as bad, some people saw Sonic X in English, not the Japanese. Yes, Japanese is more in what SEGA wants, but it doesn’t eliminate the English, and If the video is true, it was certified by SEGA.
What I prefer to do, is take those bad interpretations, tweak it to make it less bad, and evolve the character from their. I like the idea that Amy in her early time with Sonic was a bit pushy in her fangirl stage, but later grew out of it.
i still think people is too harash with Amy Rose in Sonic X, here the others video i think you'd like to watch: [video 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3oIzFgddY) and [video 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85aOGNW-XYc)
Video 1 is what I’m looking for, I think her bad attributes can be adjusted to be seen as positive. Anger being used as authority, coming not from malice or spite, but from care and compassion, it’s how its executed. An example is her temper being done wrong is in Rush, when she threaten Cream from disagreeing with her, but done right in IDW when she threaten an Omochao to save civilians from an avalanche.
Video II agree with the re-write CID made in Heroes, Amy just trying to prove to herself. And probably the rest of what he said.
That’s ok, in Sonic X she isn’t always as bad. But some people won’t take the time to watch her good parts, some people were only exposed to those bad spots, and are satisfied with what they saw in her, some just don't care. You can only do so much to convince others. Sometimes it’s best to walk away from a potential conflict and just focus on what you like in Amy, even if you feel bad or threatened. And sometimes, she's just bad, and that's ok.
Your Amy isn’t going to change because someone doesn’t like what they see in her, what you feel from her is still valid. And if you feel she doesn’t have enough love, I can assure you, the videos you showed wouldn’t have been made if people didn’t care for her.
that's good to hear, and there is just another link i want to share with you, [this very well written tumblr post](http://mahoutoons.tumblr.com/post/681343043367993344/amy-rose-one-of-the-most-mistreated-sonic)
How are you *still doing* this "everyone who doesn't agree with me is an evil liar" shtick? How many actual times do you have to be told that people are allowed to have their own opinions and are not dumber or worse than you for thinking otherwise?
and how many actual times do you have to be told that this is not about me, but about what is correct and incorrect?
None, because that's the actual lie here. There are no "incorrect" opinions on art, you're just trying to enforce yours above others. I'm sick of it.
no i'm not, i'll say this again, the problem is not in the person saying it, it's in what the person is saying.
if i was the one saying what he said i'll be the wrong one.
now forget about me, that's have nothing about to do with me, but what i'm talking
Amy was good in certain 2000s games. SA2 and Unleashed being examples of this. Though, most of the games she was in during the 2000s gave her the overly-obsessed stalker personality and you cannot deny it.
Heroes had her attack Sonic in order to marry him, Sonic and the Black Knight had her attack Sonic for not going on a date with her while he was in Camelot (among other examples from other games).
Amy has only been portrayed in a kind light by SEGA in the last couple of years, which I'm fine with as I've always wanted her to be her own character without being obsessed with Sonic and being his girlfriend / wife.
i think people Should stop using Sonic Heroes as a bad example of her, in Heroes she is like this because each team have to fight each other Team, so that's the excuse they come up with.
Not really a good excuse.
Sonic Heroes never was know for having a good writting, still better than Colors tho...
I'd say their about even. One has bad jokes, and the other has characters forget how basic communication works.
She was good in some (especially Adventure/Adventure 2), bad in some other... but acting like she is the only one would be quite hypocritical, you kinda are right of that : Knuckles suffer a lot from that too, Shadow has… quite unoptimal writing in his own game, and even Sonic have a lot of weird writing moment.
There is definitively an issue with the idea that the "character" would be bad when it's mostly the writing (saying that Amy is bad because of her post-Adventure writing would be like saying that Tails is bad for his SLW/Forces writing).
Now, it would be interesting to see why Amy was judged kinda more harshly than some other character. Is that it happenned more often ? Is that the "bad moment" were more an issue ? Is that the "moral" aspect of her bad moments (Knuckles being stupid is bening and will be more accepted as not being an issue with the character, but Amy frightening Cream might not) ? Is it that the story kinda makes fun of her ? That several time in story Sonic is shown being negative toward her, and not enough moment where he is positive ? Is it because she is a female character ? Is it because she is a very "girly" one ? Did the "shipping war" between sonamy fans and sonally fans played a role ?
Or maybe its a combination of a lot of these factors, or even some other. But IMO, it's at least partly the writing that is at fault.
> it would be interesting to see why Amy was judged kinda more harshly than some other character
it's because for a many years she was the most hated character, and the haters tryied to justify the hate with these "excuses"
All my questions still stand about "why was she hated ?". She is a fictionnal character, she is hated due to stuff that happens in story and/or with her concept (which doesn't mean that the reason are always good). In a way, she wasn't judged more harshly because she was hated, but the opposite : there is something that made people dislike her more. And thus my different possibilities stand.
And it's not even only a question of hate : because a lot of people prefer her as written by Ian Flynn or Evan Stanley, even as she still have a lot of her core concepts as a character (she is still strong and hammer-happy, she is still kinda quirky - especially with Evan Stanley's writing, and her crush about Sonic is still a core part of the character). Moreover, a lot of people said she was good in SA/SA2 but not post-2003.
If it was "just hate" about the character, and that there wasn't something in the games that caused that, the opinion wouldn't have changed that much since other kind of writing with her happenned. Now sure, she have haters (and the fact she is a "girly girl" character certain participate to that), but I think that the game helped that a lot, even if certainly involuntary.
( And I think that maybe a part of why it have changed is that the media are often less "mean" nowadays with her, show more respect to the character : the other character - and the overall writing - are more shown having positive vision of her, and of her quirks. And it's really nice to see, tbh, I'm all happy with not wondering if the writers actually likes Amy xD )
that's the problem, Amy Rose hate and criticism doesn't make sense, it's wrong and dumb.
The "hate" isn't really sound (it's a fictionnal character, having hate for her isn't 100% usefull), but it's not really dumb to criticize the character and to see issue with its writing at a time.
As I said : sometimes post-2003, I wondered if the game writers actually liked her :') With that and how Sonic acted with her, I kinda think that the game helped that matter of fact, nearly showed that as "ok". So I kinda see why ithappened (even if I don't "hate her"), and yes, there are criticism with how the character was handled (like we can criticize how Tails is handled nowadays in the games, or Shadow in the comics).
I mean, the whole way that people had issues before, and less people have issues nowadays, while the two having the same "core", show that there were certainly elements that can be pinned as the "core of the issue".
( IMO it's : she was more ridiculed by the story, Sonic was shown more negative about her, and some "extreme" moments that have a "Sonic Help Me" or "Cowards run" effect : so strong that people get really angry about it. )
now you said that i think it th fan of Sonic (the character) who may hated Amy Rose, i know this is the case with a lot of Shadow fans
Some fans of several character had issues with Amy, at that time, from my old experience (I've seen fan of Tails, Knuckles, etc having issue with her). Some Cream fans too, because of Battle.
I think that Sonic affected more people because of as he is the main character, his point of view is the more visible (and here was kinda supplemented by the game) : if we see him constantly flee Amy (and that the games kinda ridicule her several times), many people won't see that as a "game", whereas if they have more playful banters (like in the recent iterations), people will see that as better.
( Also, there is the fact that a lot of fans takes pretty personally what happens to character. Which is why seeing a character doing something they feel wrong to a character they love, they'll get angry. So certainly Sonic fans where more unhappy about Amy than some other. )
I feel that's the main difference about the games during the mid-2000 and the comics nowadays (and even the games in some ways) : the "story" respect more the character. Her qualities are more said outright, Sonic seems to be less negative toward her. (There is also less "extreme moments").
That's why - I think - people kinda says IDW "fixed" her (also because many don't have seen Archie Sonic, and mostly know some stuff of the Penders era). In a way, the character is the same (she still love Sonic, she still is hammer-happy, she still have some antics, etc) but the presentation affect a lot how we see her.
And now, there is way less hate about her, which is nice. The fandom being more diverse kinda helps, too. Now I'm curious to see if this will affect more stuff, and if those writing elements will affect other products that'll come (the one I'm the most afraid of is Prime, about that).
the think i hate about this is that the problem never was in Amy Rose, but in the Sonic fandom
Surge having a crush on Amy would be such an ironic twist.
I brought it up in another thread, but it would also be another addition to Surge's existential dread collection where the question pops up: is it Surge's personal feelings, or a result of her "programming"/ Sonic DNA.
Lovely idea, also, Low key Sonamy vibes.
SEGA's said that Sonic does have feelings for Amy (one's more than platonic), but his personality and lifestyle keeps him from expressing them. Would those extend to Surge, who can freely express them due to her lack of a "filter"; or is it a genuine attempt from her and her alone to reach out and form a positive connection?
I try to not concern myself with what SEGA says about their ships. I do see Sonic having a hard time expressing it. Though I think SEGA is mostly thinking on the Japanese version of Sonic.
Bit difficult to say, I could imagine she's more free, since she isn't Sonic, allowing her to express her emotions. But her "DNA" might conflict with it, if Sonic does have feelings for Amy. I'd say it would be 25% chance of it being genuine.
50% if Sonic has feelings, and another cut if the process accounted for Sonic's social connections.
Oh yeah, this is just a combination of a vaguely alluded to relationship and fanfic theory crafting. Fun to think about.
I like to think about ships too, and fanfic theories.
You're a braver one than I, lol. Dunno if you've had much experience with shippers, they're strange sorts, and I could never work up the courage to write down any fanfic ideas (even though lots float around in my head). Maybe someday I'll make an alt and post on one of the subs.
I don’t know if I’m braver or more experienced, but I’ve meditated on the idea of ships.
My idea is that ships are merely projections of ideas and tropes that the shipper likes or enjoys. This is why some ships, despite the duo never having interacted, tend to pop up, or not make much sense. We basically just enjoy the tropes that the ship brings up. It could also just be people associate intimate emotions with the pairs they saw, and try to look for more of them. Thus fan art and fanfics.
That’s kinda what I’m doing. I’ve always wanted to write something, but never actually put things in practice. I got into the Sonic fandom, looking at ships, and decided I should start somewhere and just make shitty shipping stories. It’s not award winning stuff, but I enjoy them.
What are you afraid of?
I suppose my fear of posting stuff would be a lack of response/input. I've never really engaged much with fanfics and the like, but it seems like a *very* vast sea of content, and IDK how I'd make my content stick out. Like, if I put a lot of effort into organizing my thoughts and putting out my creativity, what if it just gets lost in the shuffle? Even if I got a negative reaction, it's still *a* reaction; getting no reaction is what I'm afraid of.
Like, I've been theorycrafting about how to implement the FFs into the IDW setting. I do have what *I* think are some neat ideas for them with regards to how to incorporate them, change some of their backstories/abilties/designs/personalities to fit the setting and overall tone better, while still keeping them the same characters in spirit, and would be interested in maybe posting a Slides doc to gage interest.
But then comes issues like how would it stand out to others' takes (again I haven't interacted much with fanfiction but I imagine it's a fairly frequent topic), where would be the best place to post it (without going to the big sites, there's countless subs dedicated fanfic writing), and if it gains traction, how would I go about putting ideas to stories (as someone who's played lotsa DND, I'd like to do something along the lines of... co-op writing I guess? Brainstorming with others).
Is there a source on that?
Mostly bits and pieces throughout the years, so take it with a grain of salt. I dunno if I can find a link, but there was a gaming magazine interview where one of the writers of... I *wanna* say ShTH, clarified that Sonic *does* like Amy, he's just not the type to express it.
Black Knight has the epilogue reveal that Sonic was going to go on a date with Amy, but might be late since he dozed off.
IDW has Sonic act more bashful than dismissive at Amy's flirting (like in, say, Lost World, with the gif of Sonic putting his palm in Amy's face that shippers for and against have used as an argument on how the character is terrible/treated terribly).
Lastly, it has been brought up on the Bumblekast (Ian's podcast) that, as expressed in the old magazine article, Sonic has feelings for Amy but can't express them. As a result of mandates, they aren't able to push their relationship past the static state it remains, but are at least able to write well for it.
Whether you're for or against this particular ship (I don't mind most ships as long as their written well, note the character's ages, and understand what type of franchise this is), it does seem to be SEGA's official pick.
Sonic also proposed to Amy at the end of sonic x
i mean based on the limited informations on sonics feelings on amy he doesnt hate her infact if black knight is any concern it seems like sonic wants amy to be chill if she even wants to actually be in a relationship with him
so imagine that "Programming" or maybe personal feelings being apart of that
Pretty sure DNA doesn’t effect love interests.
i mean they were mostly brainwashed to be sonic's replacement so having surge have a crush on amy is not entirely out of the question
I bet Surge will hate Amy. Amy loves Sonic and Surge despises him.
Sonic would totally be Surge's wingman. I can imagine the scenario going like this:
Surge walks over to Sonic and taps him on the shoulder, says "alright, I hate you with every fibre of my being, but I need your help with something" and Sonic's like "ok, what's up?", Surge looks side to side carefully and then tells him "I like that pink hedgehog, the one with the hammer" and it takes Sonic a second to process before laughing and saying "ohh, I get it. You want me to help you with your feelings? Bet, I'm always ready to help!"
Don't mind me, just borderline making fanfiction lol
Surge's heart gets especially pounding when she sees Amy kicking ass.
Sonic’s face in the last panel is funny.
reminds me of the gummy bear from that song
I like Sonic’s smug look
Amy Rose deserves all the love in the world
Alright then Surge, how about me? Cream the Rabbit, ready to help her friends since 2003
“Yeah, sorry, you're not my type. Also you're six.”
Well, how about platonic love? You know, friendship?
.. Lensbiens 😳
Are they, you know...Mobians?
I thought you were American?
MORBIANS?!?!!?!!! LIKE MORBIUS?!!?!!!??!!!
This is a dead meme and I should kill myself
just cause the meme is dead doesnt mean you have to be!
- Rise of Gru party
I’m dead 💀
Oh wow... sports
(If you get the reference)
This is going to end with Surge dying her fur from green to light purple lmao
I mean, if she's following in the steps of Scourge, she just needs to go Super
I could see that, but tbh I've liked the fan designs of her going electric blue when Super rather then purple, it just seems to fit her abilities better to me
Well, between her going super charged in Issue #53 and her stealing Whisper's Cyan Wisp, that color might get too overused for her.
On the other hand, it could be foreshadowing!
Amity: "Great, now everyone will copy my hair dye style"
What could be if SEGA mandates didn't exist
the good ending
I fucking ship it
My fucking god!
These bitches gay!
Good for them, good for them.
These bitches are getting bitches!
What with this Surge having a crush on Amy thing going on
No clue but I assume it was spawned from the early days when we just knew that surge is basically programmed to basically be sonic (starline version but still) and before we knew that they were brainwashed to be like that
Well since Surge is meant to be this alternate equivalent to Sonic, I suppose one opposite would be Surge crushing on Amy instead of not. Also because who doesn’t love some gay ships
I would argue the idea came properly from Surge being intended to be a knock off of Sonic and so the SonAmy shipping was also no knocked off.
That aside as Surge is constantly looking for reasons to justified her unjustifiably hate towards Sonic that Starline brainwashed into her would have seeing Sonic as something "in the way of her and Amy's love life" also fit right in with the rest of her character so far.
She could also see that winning Amy over would be one way to prove she's better than Sonic.
It's a rather eccentric way, but it's a way.
Sincerely falling for her only makes it sweeter. And twice as hilarious.
I find the ship between surge and Amy to be cute, as Surge would be a large tsundere to Amy. In this funny AU.
Why are people shipping Surge and Amy? They literally haven't met yet!
Shippers are crazy.
Welcome to every fandom in the history of ever.
seriously. kinda seems like early 2000’s sonic fandom is making a comeback
Oooh that’s right I heard the story over and over again~
Sonic's face in the last panel lol 💀
This would complete my life tbh
Yeah, I could see that happening.
A DeviantArt ship being canon?
No not official or if anything, there could be a hint at Surge thinking Amy is interesting or can tolerate her better than Sonic. I'm not saying yes to the ship, but the idea has crossed my mind before on my own.
The art is nice here at the least and I honestly could see Surge being interested in Amy, nothing further than that. I'm not a shipper.
I would love the idea of Surge managing to make friends with some of Sonic's friends.
well that’s shipping. having a crush?
a disgusting one too
Surge has the bi haircut so
Are we really now starting to assign sexuality based on hair cuts?
Surely you can be assured that surge is gay
Sure, Surge is gay, but don't call me Shirley
I’m so fucking sick of this type of shit bro any time two female characters who are not a part of the original cast interact with each other or someone who is there has to be some forced or speculated romance that shit is so tacky and corny
Oooooo kissing and romance ooooooo
Lmao gigachad reply
No it wasnt
Someone doesn’t like smoochies
I would have kinda agreed with you if you didn't pull the "two females characters" like, why is your problems with lesbians especially?
To elaborate on what I mean I feel like this is a problem exclusive to female character even in Archie even though it was somewhat more toned down there I guess but males simply do NOT have this problem I don’t mind gay or lebanese characters my browsing history is full of femboy and twink uhh research but Archie and even IDW take the easy kissy kissy girl route like every other company and want to call it progress, and it’s like okay you’re clearly doing this to get your male audience rocks off why don’t you try to take an actual risk for once. That’s what I mean new male characters are treated much differently and without he romantic interests PERIOD and I wish female characters could just be like a sonic and tail or shadow and omega best friend/battle buddy because they don’t *need* romance to be good and Amy and rouge/cream and Blaze are sort of the only ones like this
I mean, I don’t really see the issue with a well written romance. I don’t really understand your point here
it isnt well written and its a pattern that exists exclusively with female characters as if they cannot carry themselves on character and friendships, but that there has to be romance, if you don't get "my point" then whatever dont care
How you know how it’s gonna be written if it doesn’t exist??
Supposedly several writers have said they are the closest thing to a couple that they can officially have without all the mandates so yes they’re just waiting for the millisecond they are allowed to and they will be dating and those 2 awesome characters will be turned into drama-devices simply for being women which I’m tired of having happen
His source is that he made it the fuck up!
In all seriousness, Ian Flynn kinda said that in a few episodes of the Bumblecast (which I don't have the time or energy to try finding right now).
I FEEL A NEW LIFE WILL BE BORN BENEATH THE BLOODSTAINED SAAANNDDD
I mean we got over the course of Archie and IDW a grand total of 2 instances of this so far
Sally and Nicole a idea that was large pushed by Ian's wife as much as by him self.
And now Tangle and Whisper as Sally and Nicole were erased from continuity with the end of the Archie Sonic Comic's.
So most people here will of cause see you as over reacting.
Also if you want a gay male Character the Sonic Movie is over there because there is no straight explanation for Agent Stone.
Omfg lol get over yourself it’s because this only happens with female character like the very first two they introduced tangle and whisper everybody wants them to be kissy slobber buddies why is it always “waaah homophobe” Jfc lol
the idw writer literally confirmed that whisper and tangle are "more than friends" but sega doesn't allow romance
My. Point. Exactly. Facepalm
>the very first two they introduced tangle and whisper everybody wants them to be kissy slobber buddies
you made it sound like whisper x tangle wasn't canon, also that's pretty much how they act in the comics, tangle more than anything but still
Feel like the rest of my post made it clear that that was also the actuality of things
what even is the argument here
Why does there need to be an argument
Sir, this is a Wendy's
The only corny one here is you mate, take a hint
That's the spirit kiddo
Soy milk refill, anyone?
imagine falling in love with a person that you never met before
Yeah though I feel like the surgamy fan base will explode once Amy and surge meet especially if the encounter doesn't go hostile
Sonic is the worst thing every created, mario is way better
Nice Surge impression! You really got her tone down to a T.
Is Surge from archie comics? Also why does she like amy but noone else
She's from idw and this is a ship someone made that gained traction the 2 haven't met rn
Sonic made light work of that newbie. That’s what you get for messing with his crew.
I like how Surge react here (and her having some crush on Amy would be quite interesting, especially with their personnality, there are potential to write stuff here), and I like how despite no interaction this ship appeared and have already some popularity xD
I'm really impatient to see how Surge will interact with other characters.
I hope kit and surge become more neutral characters since they definitely are not going to be a part of Sonic's main friend group as they probably will still buttheads though they will atleast be out of the control of a abusive platypus
I also hope that. I would love them as "minor semi-antagonist", that they do "bad stuff", but aren't really threat to the whole world even if they cause some chaos. A bit like the Babylon Rogue, in a way.
( Also because it would be nice if Sonic was shown right for once, it would help a bit if his case wasn't just baked on event that happenned in the games, but also on some that happenned on the comics xD )
That would also be good
That shit eating grin