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Debate Time. Which character is worse?

Debate Time. Which character is worse?

haha_funny_le_monke

They’re actually quite similar in that they’re both simply used as a means of characterizing Sonic by showing the change he inspires in others. Chris achieves this purpose better than Elise simply because Sonic as a character is much more well-defined in Sonic X than Sonic 06. As a result, Chris has much more noticeable character development than Elise (although aging 6 years probably also had something to do with it), and actually becomes a likable character later on. The element of romance between Sonic and Elise is also extremely out of character for Sonic.


Vuxlort

Well said.


skullcandy541

Thank you for putting a more positive twist to it rather than just shitting on the both of them (which was probably the goal of this post)


blackcloversucks

I’m actually shocked people dislike Chris. Sonic X was my childhood and I rewatched it twice last year and a few years before. As an adult now, I still never found anything that made me think “man this kid’s wack”. Someone has to enlighten me on what exactly is bad about him lol.


skullcandy541

People mostly point to when he stopped sonic from going back to his world because he didn’t want to go back. They call him selfish for it and a very selfish act to prevent someone from going home because u don’t want them to leave. Now they have a point. But what they fail to realize is Chris is like 10 years old and sonic was his only and first true friend while at the same time being a role model/idol to him. I think most 10 year olds wouldn’t know how to handle they’re best friend/idol leaving them in a correct and mature manor. But his haters fail to understand that


blackcloversucks

Yeah I was going to point to the fact that he’s literally just a child but I felt like people would then say that’s the reason they dislike him.


skullcandy541

Yea a lot of people just find him annoying too


SpiderDoctor2

That might be it. He reminds them of all the cringey things they did as kids It's the same reason people dunk on youtubers by saying their audience is full of kids


randomfox

Ever watch Star Trek the Next Generation? Wesley Crusher. S'alls I'm saying.


SquidzSleepToo

I agree that was the only thing about the 06 story I hated sonic = human romance was weird lol


SkekJay

What extremely well made points and logical conclusions, Shockwave would be proud


smithwe25

Your conclusion is... logical Edit: sheesh I didn't expect people to like this comment so much


Familiar_Historian53

Couldn't have said it better myself.


randomfox

>The element of romance between Sonic and Elise is also extremely out of character for Sonic. People always harp on this, but the "romance" is entirely one sided. Sonic doesn't express anything towards Elise that he doesn't also express to everyone else he knows. Compare, say, the ending of Sonic and the Black Knight where he hands Merlina a flower, something which is considered a romantic gesture but obviously has no romantic overtones when Sonic does it. There's nothing out of character about it in terms of how Sonic acts towards her. Elise having a big crush on Sonic is perfectly understandable. Everyone has a crush on Sonic.


TheBlueHero

100% agree couldn't explain it better than you 👍


TemporaryRedditary

The fact that both of these characters are from the same franchise just completely blew my mind.


SpiderDoctor2

And that they're both from SAAAANNIIIIC


agbadehan

Holy shit it's Sora and Kairi from Kingdom Hearts (2002)


TSB223

LMAOOOO NO


SailorSafs

I NOTICED CHRIS BEFORE BUT NEVER ELISE LOL YOU'RE RIGHT


_Fill_My_Void_

Kairi is the base form, then she evolves into Elise who evolves into Kyrie from Devil May Cry 4.


Hot_Emphasis3861

Nice profile pic


SonicWorld-VSync

Oh, lol These anime hairs just looks similar, huh?


SXAL

Oh crap. Why does it have to be so on point.


Neojoker951

Kairi and Elise are about as useful LMAO.


MemestarAshkirby

Omgosh, they do look like them(well Chris, I already knew he looked like Sora)!😆🤣😂


Guilty-Effort7727

Looking at the comments im surprised we are being civil about this


Different-Region-873

So no popcorn then?


Guilty-Effort7727

Yes. Put the popcorn down


Dasmortmemeboi

Aw but I'm kinda hungry rn ngl


Guilty-Effort7727

Then eat chip


FNAF_Foxy1987

Not Chip! He hasn't had his chocolate yet


SpiderDoctor2

Eat it anyways?


charisma-entertainer

Well it really shouldn’t be hard to answer this question in all honesty


Guilty-Effort7727

How long have you been in this community? We fight for the dumbest reasons


charisma-entertainer

I’ve been here for 329 days… and that’s true


That-anime-lord06

Am i the only One that doesn't find Chris and elise annoying?


Crimson_Marksman

No.


T0biasCZE

no


Gaming-Burrito

no


Accomplished_Club824

No


LikeRealityDislike

no


charisma-entertainer

Chris no your not. Elise… kind of?


NunobokoSlayer

No but I do


AMY_ROSE_Worshiper

NO


Crackinmyknuckles

Elise. When Amy was introduced, Sonic had no means of getting into a romantic relationship, but now… He does? Sega… You really should have given Sonic Team some more time…


uninspiredcrepe

Sonic X would have been a million times more enjoyable if Chris and his classmates just weren’t in it. Elle can stay though


metaaltheanimefan

Ella, mr tanaka and helen ( wheelchair girl from chase sonic the hero for those that forgot her name ) can stay. I think chris' grandpa to. I think danny and chris' female friend dont add anything. Heck chris' female friend looks like a female version of chris and her voice isnt the best Chris needs to be more fleshed for being in the main cast. During the first 2 seasons chris isnt that involved aside from a few debacles and rarely do we get the issues that plague him


idelarosa1

Mr. Tanaka was dope AF.


metaaltheanimefan

I know which is why he can stay. His dynamic with ella was great


Kool_McKool

Cleans up the house, and the government agents.


Ok_Squirrel259

Yeah it could have continued with hordes of characters from all Sonic Media, but Chris and everyone on earth screwed it all up and made it about them.


MixtureThin7114

I'd say Chris, Elise is less annoying and on paper her arc is fine, just as long as you cut out the romance part


GregarLink15

Well...one is in smash so I guess that one is doing something right...


sqeaky_fartz

What?


Yu_kengi

Chris name in the Japanese dub is sora Edit:no it wasn’t


CMNG713

Wait really I thought they just looked alike this is hilarious


The_Blur_Of_Blue

No they made that up lol he's always Chris


CMNG713

Ok gotcha, felt weird a normal ass kid from Japan would be named sky


Catsenti

No it's not. Have you actually watched the Japanese version?


sqeaky_fartz

Ahh ok. That makes sense now.


SteveGameSDG

Chris. Next question.


Either_Imagination_9

Who is superior, Big The Cat or the entirety of the universe?


SteveGameSDG

Big the Cat. Next question.


wererat2000

Who would win, Sonic the Hedgehog, or a biblically accurate angel?


Skelibutt

Sonic


Ice_Climbers

Sonic either is God or can kill God and I do not care if there is a difference!


SanicRb

I mean the final boss of 06 is pretty much a biblical accurate angle so there is that.


darkninja2992

Sonic is a wind elemental who can kill Gods


SpiderDoctor2

Which would be a better spin-off game? Amy Rose or Rouge the Bat (& Knuckles)


Skelibutt

Rouge the bat & Knuckles 100%


SpiderDoctor2

What if the Amy game was an rpg with dating sim elements where you had romance arcs with various characters who just so happened to look like sonic, and the whole game was in this really unique and memorable art style? And the Rouge game was just in the regular Sonic style


Skelibutt

My decision still stands


SpiderDoctor2

Ah, fair. An into the spiderverse-style game featuring the multiverse form the Archie comics or an Axem Rangers game in the style of Sonic CD?


Whitelung

Chris Thorndyke. Elise had the decency to erase her memory and association with the freedom fighters after 1 adventure


Roborajee

Chris because he stole the spotlight from Sonic himself.


Grumpy-Owl

Ahhh. Final Fantasy vs Digimon. Very hard choice indeed.


wererat2000

Don't do Digimon dirty like that.


Grumpy-Owl

Dora the Explora then.


SpiderDoctor2

Don't do Dora dirty like that


The_NEET_Cat

damn now I can't unsee it those characters look so similar lol


A-Tumblr-Refugee

Easily Chris. No contest. Elise wasn’t even that bad of a character; she wasn’t super interesting or anything, but the worst she did was kiss a dead animal. Chris tends to be annoying throughout the series he’s in, and his actions at certain points can come off as selfish and whiny, to put it nicely.


Hypefangirl

Chris: *gets kidnapped* oh no! Guess I’ll just wait for someone to notice I’m gone. Elise: *gets kidnapped* DID YOU JUST- THATS IT. IM FUCKING MY WAY OUT OF HERE *throws herself out of the egg mobile* C’YA


LikeRealityDislike

I think this is a really cool detail, she clearly implies she's willing to commit suicide rather than be a prisoner of Eggman again. Not many damsels in distress that dare anything close to this.


Sebamon28

GIVE ME BACK MY GAMER GIRL SONIC!


Boogie__Fresh

Elise is dope. She holds a demon in her tears that will destroy the world if she's ever not resolute, even for a moment. Chris is nothing.


ReceptionAlarming

She also kisses a dead animal


FastestPrius

To revive it.


SerialMurderer

She still kisses a 🦔.


SpiderDoctor2

A 🦔 who's sentient


ReceptionAlarming

Aren’t animals sentient anyway?


ReceptionAlarming

I don’t really see why it was necessary if the Emeralds were already involved


Kool_McKool

According to sources, Elise was taking Sonic's soul within her like she did Iblis, and then she passed it to him through the kiss.


randomfox

I respect the meme but like she seemed pretty aware that it was a Sleeping Beauty "this will bring him back to life" kind of situation. Like she wasn't just macking on a corpse because she knew he it was the only action she was gonna get or something like that.


DeGameNerd

Chris fills me with anger


5i5TEMA

Likely one of those Soleannians in the background. Both Elise and Chris are good characters. Elise's backstory is so interesting and tragic, and the UNO reverse the writers pull where the princess saves the knight from death was amazing. And Chris is written perfectly. His selfish actions when he doesn't want Sonic to go home are exactly how most of you would have behaved in that situation at that age, like it or not. If you have had your best friend move to a different country you probably have thought of stopping their parents in any way.


skullcandy541

Exactly. Not only was sonic Chris’s first true friend he was also pretty much his idol. He looked up to him because he wasn’t like anybody else. And all of a sudden he has to leave and never return? No 10 year old is accepting that like it’s nothing lol people gotta understand better. It reminds me of people misunderstanding Kikyo from Inuyasha if u know it


_Fill_My_Void_

I'm fairly confident that most 12 year olds would have the emotional maturity to not strand their friend in a remote location assuming they wouldn't be able to make it back to their home to their own kind and supportive loved ones, especially if there was now a dangerous criminal on the loose in his birthplace that said friend actually had the power to stop. Not to mention the added melodrama of the two worlds being unable to coexist much longer without triggering some kind of time anomaly apocalypse. Putting billions of lives at risk for your own gain(?) is extremely messed up.


Lordclyde1

You put way more thought into the future consequences than any child I’ve ever known.


_Fill_My_Void_

I don't think you know children that well, I was mad about those episodes when I was younger than Chris. Sonic didn't come to earth of his own free will but did say his goodbyes and try to follow his longtime friends back to his world of his own free will. Eggman attacked cities, kidnapped people, beat Sonic pretty seriously one time, and blew up half the moon. He already knows what Eggman is capable of and how often Sonic is the one who puts a stop to it.


Lordclyde1

I work in a game store and see more children than I ever wanted to. Hate to break it to you man but kids aren’t allowed to drink or gamble for a reason: they’re brains are underdeveloped and they don’t have the ability to think about the long term consequences of their actions. They’re also selfish. Now I’ll grant that some kids are smarter and better behaved than most, but they are all idiots, and Chris Thorndike being whiny, selfish, and impulsive just makes him the best written child in fiction.


The_Blur_Of_Blue

I mean Chris did call himself out like 2 episodes later and got mad that Sonic seemed okay with what he did


SonicTheHedgehog99

Chris


T0biasCZE

none


Brxh_Hect0r

Yes


BraveLeon

Chris


Puzzleheaded-Food136

Chris easily atleast Elise didnt steal other characters roles


MrButt4eva

Elise. Chris never kissed a corpse


randomfox

That's only because a corpse was never presented to him If Sonic had died and Chris was there, he definitely woulda kissed him. Don't even deny it.


NewYorkRican64

Don't mind me. I'm here for the comments. 🍿


Either_Imagination_9

Pass the popcorn man


Beercorn1

TIL Sora was in Sonic the Hedgehog


Ninnintender

Chris is way worse


230581

I thought that was younger Sora for a second


KvngXeph

Didn’t that kid get into smash?


heisiopp

Dammit Bobby, that boy ain’t right


EdwardHB

Elise is a no from me And why did you put Sora? Kingdom Hearts has a series?


subscibersforhire

elise


art_angel_gabriel

why does the franchise always do the human brunette characters dirty??


Ice_Man1105

Both, in my opinion.


McgravyJordan

Both are atrocious. Elise should've been blaze (with slight tweaks to the script it can work). Chris is annoying until season 3 where he becomes discount tails.


mrwaxwave

Princess Elise, of course! I won’t pretend Chris is great but at least when I was a child I liked him because I could relate to him. Of course if you watch as an adult or teenager then you’ll see it differently. Elise is just lame


GordonBlack707

I understand why people hate Elise. I don't understand why people hate Chris.


jokabo2748

Chris is more annoying but at least he doesn’t kiss sonic


mycatnuttedonmehelp

Elise cause she fucking kissed a hedgehog


JDfromLordran

Sora was better


Yellowpick10

Chris is actually good in the Japanese anime.


charisma-entertainer

Elise100%. Chis May of been bland at first but was much better in season 3. He was worse then her in season 1 though


SonicTHD

I just wanna say thay japanese Chris is way better than any of these two


heisiopp

Chris looks like Sora from Kingdom Hearts


SuperStefanMaker

Sora was ok


ToastyMann

Elise. She'd rather the world end than lose her animal love interest. Not even Chris would stoop that low. All Chris did was think he was lonely and took his actual friends for granted.


JustAnAnxiousRetard

Chris has good character development and helps Sonic a bit. He also bit a multidimensional transporter which was pretty sick. The writers just didn’t often give him the chance to shine Elise is actually a decent character that couldnt show off her qualities often since Sonic Team kept having her be kidnapped. The the time we learn about her, she can be cool. So the worst in this case would be Sonic Team and the Sonic X writers.


philswiftsgreencard

FUCK ELISE


mrmagoalt1235

Chris cant believe they put that son of a bitch in smash


My_cat_is_sus

Chris is worse, at least in sonic 06 she isn’t really that focused on during the game, at most, she is in some cutscenes, plus she has too exist too make the games story work and sonic 06’s cutscenes only last an hour and a half. Chris however is annoying and is probably more of a main character than sonic and the series takes a while to fully watch and he doesn’t need to be on the show you could easily take out Chris and the shows plot will basically not change at all, the only thing I remember Chris doing is saving sonic, but sonic could just of not fallen in water, easily fixed.


SerialMurderer

>Elise You dropped this


SNAILSLIVEONJUPITER

Chris wasn’t in Sonic 06 lol


[deleted]

chris because he's more of a whiny brat than Elise.


MarjanAmbroze

Elise is better to listen to than Chris because at least her emotions aren't cringe to listen to. However, a kid wanting to stay with Sonic because of Sonic's impact on their life and basically making them be happy to be alive is more natural than a young adult woman who's a princess who wants to stay with Sonic because of Sonic's impact on her life. That being said, I still like Elise a lot more than Chris and I really love her portrayal for what she is in 06, minus the fucking times a love relationship is hinted between her and a hedgehog. Main point of the matter is, I personally sympathise with Elise because I myself am a young adult (I'm 19) and Sonic even to this day is one of the only things that makes me happy to be alive. Sonic is seen by people as a child's hero, but Sonic is MORE than that. He's helped millions of people, so much people that are even older than me. Age isn't a factor here. Yes, it's more natural for a kid to be connected to Sonic like how Chris is, but I see nothing wrong with Princess Elise, a young adult woman, being just as connected to Sonic for the same reasons. My only issue is the romance relationship, like no. Please, not everything needs to be romance. I wanna see Sonic in real life and have him as my best friend like Elise too, but I don't wanna shag him damnit. But yeah, in my opinion, Elise is better, but that's just me. I do admit tho that it's more natural for a kid to be connected to someone like Sonic rather than a young adult woman being connected to Sonic. People overlook Elise as a person just because of her being weird to have romantic feelings for a 15-16 year old hedgehog. She's been a Princess her whole life and has practically been forced to rule a whole kingdom because her parents are dead. She's been doing this for a decade at least, and in expense, she's lost herself. She doesn't know who she is anymore. All she knows is protecting her kingdom and people, but what about her? That's where Sonic comes into play. Sonic helps her find herself again. Sonic helps her realise that Life Is Strong. She can be free and be herself again, and it's all thanks to Sonic. Now you're probably thinking "Oh anyone can do that and make Elise be herself again, why Sonic???"... That's the thing. Not everyone is Sonic. Anyone can try help you love life and be yourself and do what makes you happy and free, but no one can do it like Sonic, and that's what made Elise fall for him. Not excusing that Elise should have romantically fall for him tho. But yeah. I like Elise more than Chris. Chris is worse than Elise imo.


Canner_Snackard

FKING ELISE


SonicTheHedgehog99

Chris, CUZ HE WINES AND CRIES LIKE A LITTLE BABY! WAAA WAAA


SerialMurderer

Sounds like a regular child.


_Fill_My_Void_

Chris. Elise was willing to give up her attachment to Sonic to save the world, whereas Chris actively endangered two separate worlds just to spend a few more hours with Sonic after Eggman and his friends all left through the portal. Elise also had the dignity to fade into obscurity after her debut game while Chris was practically the main character for the first two seasons of Sonic X. And unlike the games it would be over a decade before anyone would take a shot at another animated series.


BonnieB-007

I like them both as characters, but Chris's voice annoyed me a lot


DafneOrlow

The kid. See, we only had to put up with Elise for one game. And not having played it, I can only assume you only saw the in-game cutscenes once. On subsequent replays, you could just choose a stage to play and not have to see her....right? We had to suffer Thorndike, for 70+ episodes!


TedMeister88

Yes.


vertwheeler95

Both


unxile_phantom

They're both annoying characters I didn't really care for. Imho Helen would've been a better human companion than Chris. Sure, she's confined to a wheelchair, but at least she wasn't as annoying/obnoxious as Chris was.


DexyPrime

To be fair, Elise in the Japanese version of Sonic 06 is SOO much better.


Zealousideal-Humor-4

Honestly, I think Elise Is Far Worse than Chris. Reasons? She gets Capture like A Billion Times. She barely shows any Basic Emotions other than that Time When Sonic And Her was in a Field together. And She's A Ripoff of Kairi From Kingdom Hearts. And she kissed with sonic's Corpse(like Seriously, there are Alternatives. Really sega?) And there was no Consent. And over All Elise is Stupid. But for Chris however, Well...He has Done Good things For Sonic in the Anime Sonic X, Where he Has saved Sonic sometimes, Make sonic Different shoes that has Abilities like Rail Grinding, Hoving over water and Skating on Ice. and he Basically has Emotions more than Elise, and chris isn't the best human Sonic Character, As yes he does Whine Often. But is Way more better than Elise. Plus he looks like kid Sora from Birth By Sleep


mexicantails

Sora


Brizillaking1

If I’m being honest, Chris is worse than Elise. Sure, Elise didn’t do much, but Chris was annoying. In season three of Sonic X he does help out, but he still makes me roll my eyes. Elise doesn’t bother me too much even though there’s a few things that she does in the story that I hate, but she never got on my nerves


PopularGnat262

Technically Chris never had bestiality with a hedgehog so


DUJ_2293

Chris Thorndyke


Loopystreams

Chris got in smash and got a sword so i pick princess peach at home


SonicTheHedgehog7

Chris Is Trash


Koala_Guru

Oof! I’m gonna go with Chris Thorndyke. He was annoying at all times whereas I was generally fine with Elise until the infamous kiss at the end. The thing with Elise is that, at a basic level, her story is pretty cute for a Sonic game. She’s a sheltered princess who is swept up on a grand adventure by Sonic, and it shows in scenes like where Sonic grabs a vine and bungees off of it and she screams because she thinks they’ll hit the ground. If they leaned more into that aspect (and removed the romance) I honestly think I’d actually like her character. Meanwhile Chris is a whiny spoiled rich kid who actively stole storylines from Sonic characters.


K3yin

This is a hard one but Chris


TheEnder36

Idk man, Elise was pretty op in [Sonic Destruction](https://youtu.be/NyK2jbm3mg8)


Adventurous-Ad-8392

Chris almost ruins an entire show at times, while Elise was in a game already doomed to be garbage from the start so it’s not really a fair comparison.


AnnoyingAnimations

Elise


nicewhitetigers

Chris Chris Chris. I'm so glad they "added" him in smash!


Add922873

Elise romance is stinky poo poo bug her acting like a robot is justified she was told to not cry or the world would end so she needs to enclose herself from the emotions but through sonic she learns to open up again


Berry-Fantastic

Darn it, it is tough decision for me...they are both bad but I think Elise is terribly written out of the two. I dont like Chris all that much, but I admit that he has gone through character development. Elise on the other had suffers from bad writing, especially in regards with Sonic and Iblis. Regardless on whether they were going for friendship or romance, they have failed in displaying either as they don't know what to do with the relationship. Elise being kidnapped a billion times doesn't help either as it becomes tedious when Eggman shows up. The weirdest thing is that she kisses Sonic for no reason...it just happened. It's not the fact that they are a human and a hedgehog it just happened....just because.


RooByrne20

Elise Her whole character is getting captured and saved then kissing Sonic (I still can’t I see that) and then ending the whole thing making the entirety of 06 pointless?


SanikkuSama

Elise. She never gave Sonic cool drippy Soap Shoes


MrBohobe

"Princess Elise" from "Sonic the Hedgehog (06)". Reason: SHE'S A HUMAN WHO KISSED SONIC


Idiotic_Abomination

Tbh Chris is better He actually had some genuine character development at the end of season 2. Also watch the sub, it feels like an entirely different show


Wise-Scheme-4195

I dislike Chris, but at least he got more character development. Elise may be a key character in her game but she's only reduced to being captured and saved every single frame.


littleMAHER1

girl


MilesPrower314

Elise.


BebeiaPrivate14

Chris, but I like both! And love Elise! #stopsoneliseprejudice #soneliseisnotzoophilia #soneliseisnotbeastially


Shadow_108

Elise. Pretty much only because Elise doesn't do sh*t compared to Kris who... sometimes does do sh*t so yeah.


SilverNiko

I liked them both


Eomercin

Elise.


SonicCody12

Elise. Chris has some redeeming qualities and later becomes more likable


Captain_Rick218

Honestly, Sora as a character is so much better made than Elise, that being said, I wouldn't mind if an alternate timeline version of Elise appeared as an Easter egg at one point.


supernovaweeb

Elise is far worse. Chris ain't that bad really plus he is in Smash Ultimate now too. Pretty epic.


Genindraz

Elise, because Chris actually does some things that help out every once in a blue moon


ThisIsGen1

Elise


NeoNetix

Chris at least is not a useless and actually does something in later seasons of Sonic X. Elise is just trash


Attainable

I didn't know Sora was in Sonic X.


heisiopp

Is Peter Griffin in there too


MatthewTherobloxxer

Elise is worse because Chris tries to help sonic


BlobfishViking

Don’t care what you say Chris is better


Jermaphobe456

Chris gets way more shit on than he really deserves. He’s cringey and stupid at times absolutely, and that’s how kids are but if you paid attention to Sonic X you’d notice Chris has abandonment issues that run way deeper than a simple attachment to sonic. Due to being raised alone while his parents pursued their careers and interests. He felt alone and had no excitement in his life until Sonic crash landed in his pool. Sonic leaving meant more to Chris than just losing his closest friend. Chris is a far better character than Elise, you can’t change my mind


RDcatz12

yes


Killer_B_Hive

Dammit, I was gonna say that.


heartshapedchocolate

I know! Both are bad because for the most part Elise was a damsel in distress while chris a whiny cry baby


Mysandwhichisaboot

Both are equally insufferable. Throw Sarah from the OVA in there while you’re at it..


CaptainStaraptor

I’m not sure but I have to give it to Elise since she kissed Sonic’s dead corpse


Jcnipper123

Elise At least Chris pretends to do something, Elise is literally a waste of time, also... Chris actually has a backstory that makes sense :) (I'm talking his parents working all the time by the way)


Hippietrip76

Elise 100%


ernificent

I like Chris, I feel bad for him. Elise eh.


SpongeBob-WoomyPants

Princess Elise.


RaptorGameingYT

Bouth


DIO_The_Vampire_

Chris, at least Elise had plot importance