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waqoyi92

Al Shabab exists because somalia is ran by retards and somalias failures are not because of foreigners but because of somalis. The US couldnt impose its will on Somalia neither could Ethiopia neither could kenya with all of its might while somalia is at its weakest point. Somalida Guriga Hortees wey ku xaareyaaan then they'll complain about the smell


ugc_12n

Somalis in general need to stop d riding arabs


[deleted]

Better than d riding jareers


ugc_12n

Have some shame u are somali d riding arabs im not d riding west Africans we aren’t west African or arabs


[deleted]

I'm not d riding Arabs I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy,


BlackberrySlow

Somalis don’t dick ride west Africans Somalis arnt learning Igbo and the Somalis who do idolize black culture live in the west and are surrounded by it. The Somalis in Somalia dick riding Arabs while they are in their own land is dumb asf


[deleted]

So are we also d riding brits since we learning English in Somalia, make no sense


Luqz004

Al shabaab have nothing to do with Arabs but some children have massive problem that Somalis are influenced by the Arabic culture. Just because of our religion and proximity. Just like how west Africans are influenced by Europeans . But to hate yourself and your people for that is crazy


[deleted]

They don't even live in Somalia that's the worst 😭 Never heard AS saying we should speak Arabic or sum and we're far from Arab culture, we literally have our own culture in Somalia, only people in North wanna be arabs. And the religion isn't an arab culture since Arabs barely make 1/3 of Muslims


ugc_12n

We have our only language own culture own food we aren’t arabs


magkruppe

is....that a thing? What does that even look like?


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Black supremacists


ugc_12n

It’s a common thing weirdos saying im arab somalis are arabs


pussyemperor

How are they against independent somalia? I thought their goal was to topple the government and establish themselves as rulers of the country. Would they erase somali borders or what?


Diligent-Ad6407

You know how At its height, the USSR comprised of more than a dozen republics stretching across Europe and Asia. After the collapse, each forged a different path That's what they're trying to do here and call it "Caliphate" and this is their master plan so yes things like independent somali state and national identity will be lost in the mix if their plans come to fruition No, they don't really recognise modern nation state and it's borders.


inamukhtar

He's waffling. The khawarij are nuts but their goal is very much to rule Somalia. That's very plain to see after 15 years. If foreign interference were really his biggest worry, he might consider the fact that we have a 'gov' entirely propped up by foreign interests, some of which have been plainly hostile to Somali interests. Shabaab is a symptom, not a cause, of the interminable conflict in Somalia.


Final_Entrepreneur15

Because they are funded by a Arab country (idk which tho)


[deleted]

Yeah, this is simply false, and as much as I dislike AS, I dislike lies more. Listening to their radio, watching the interviews of people who lived under AS, or simply watching the stuff they release will make the fact what you said is false abundantly clear. They do not attempt to Arabize anything, everything that they do is pretty much in the Somali Language. They also do not advocate for Arab customs, and generally speaking they let the reer baadiyo under their control live a typical Somali lifestyle. The only thing that they truly change of the people’s day to day is creating more separation between the sexes and not allowing the youth to play soccer along with not allowing people to engage in traditional dances like saar. Though these bans don’t come from their desire to Arabize but rather their hardline interpretations of the Islamic primary sources. How about you focus on the reality that Al Shabaab is slaughtering innocent civilians day in and day out, killing all the bright minds of society (journalists, nabadoons, doctors, community leaders, intellectuals, etc..) instead of fighting some phantom ghost of Arabnimo.


magkruppe

the worst crime of AS is definitely how they don't add 7 teaspoons of sugar in their tea. Its against somali tradition!


[deleted]

An absolute abomination


Diligent-Ad6407

>Yeah, this is simply false, and as much as I dislike AS, I dislike lies more. Listening to their radio, watching the interviews of people who lived under AS, or simply watching the stuff they release will make the fact what you said is false abundantly clear. They do not attempt to Arabize anything, everything that they do is pretty much in the Somali Language. That only shows they do have a somali face and voice so that they can manipulate our people better/further by letting them to think that this group represents us well and it's truly ours when it simply isn't and exported from the middle east of all places This war between somalia and al shabaab has lesser known front and we have every right to know how, when, and where our enemy is attacking us and why Assuming you are just like the rest of us here don't like the infringement of our Somalinimo Language and culture/traditions I think it's really important to know your enemy well And specially important to understand this now so that we can do/undo whenever and whatever Although this is hidden yes intentionally from the general public and even some of thier members as well But it's very much exists and it doesn't make any less important than other well know crimes There's even video out there where sh. Xassan Daahir Aways saying this over and over again "we are arabs" you can see it yourself I'll put link down here : https://youtu.be/JwCEMuQMRoc Start Around 8 minutes and 15 seconds Using as always the victim card "in carab nalaga jaro, diinteni waa nalo diidanyahay"


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Ina adeer, listen, unless there is some sort of evidence to back your claim, what you are saying is simply conspiratorial. We can always claim that anything we see is simply a front, laakin without some sort of evidentiary backing, it reduces to solipsism. What you used in order to dismiss my claim was what I outlined above, by you merely saying that it is an act. The evidence you brought to back it was Hassan Dahir (I don’t know how the hell you have the patience to listen to him, his rants are wild) complaining about a few things. The first was him speaking about someone who doesn’t like kunyas (eg. Abu Xyz) thinking it is unsophisticated. This is a valid criticism, not to mention that having a kunya is sunnah. He also was complaining about the fact that Somali was written in Latin. I also see this a fair criticism. An Arabic based script accommodates are linguistic needs much better, we have near identical vowels and consonants. This shouldn’t be controversial as almost all pre Latin Somali scripts were based off of Arabic, it’s simply a much more accommodating language. As for the “We’re Arab” portion, I hate to break it to you, but any Somali person you go to in Baadiyo will straight up tell you that they are Arab. It is pretty much a mainstream Somali belief and truly has nothing to do with changing one’s culture. So from what you provided, there is nothing that I can point to and say, “Oh, he’s trying to change our culture”. Also, as a side note: Xassan Daahir isn’t AS as of now, he has his own views that differ with them on many regards. The video you linked attests to that (AS make takfiir of Sh.Umal). هذا وبالله توفيق


Diligent-Ad6407

>What you used in order to dismiss my claim was what I outlined above, by you merely saying that it is an act. The evidence you brought to back it was Hassan Dahir (I don’t know how the hell you have the patience to listen to him, his rants are wild) complaining about a few things. You would be surprised to know just how much I know about these people and their crazy ideas and world view as the saying goes "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" 👁 >The first was him speaking about someone who doesn’t like kunyas (eg. Abu Xyz) thinking it is unsophisticated. This is a valid criticism, not to mention that having a kunya is sunnah. First of all it's not valid point It's Sunnah so you do have the option to do or don't but it's not something you can criticize someone for it he knows this all too well But his intentions though >He also was complaining about the fact that Somali was written in Latin. I also see this a fair criticism. An Arabic based script accommodates are linguistic needs much better, we have near identical vowels and consonants. This shouldn’t be controversial as almost all pre Latin Somali scripts were based off of Arabic, it’s simply a much more accommodating language. Agree to disagree >As for the “We’re Arab” portion, I hate to break it to you, but any Somali person you go to in Baadiyo will straight up tell you that they are Arab. It is pretty much a mainstream Somali belief and truly has nothing to do with changing one’s culture. So from what you provided, there is nothing that I can point to and say, “Oh, he’s trying to change our culture”. Here's where you revealed your position in this entire discussion I'm not sure if it's intentional tho and that's fine too but I'm sure as heck it's not ours and we obviously not talking about the same baadiyo now let me make it abundantly clear to you WE ARE NOT ARABS never was never will be. >Also, as a side note: Xassan Daahir isn’t AS as of now, he has his own views that differ with them on many regards. The video you linked attests to that (AS make takfiir of Sh.Umal). I know very well about that He still believes the extremely radical ideas he just changed his tactics and the majority of the Conservative far right radical groups do this and wait the perfect storm.


[deleted]

>First of all it's not valid point It's Sunnah so you do have the option to do or don't but it's not something you can criticize someone for it he knows this all too well But his intentions though Sxb, it is a valid point, if people think something that is the sunnah is unsophisticated or that it is something to run away from, then that is something that is clearly blame worthy. >Agree to disagree Fair enough, though to note, to say using Arabic as our script equates to Arabizing our culture, then the act of making Latin our script was the equivalent of westernizing our culture, especially seeing that throughout history we used Arabic based scripts. ​ >Here's where you revealed your position in this entire discussion I'm not sure if it's intentional tho and that's fine too but I'm sure as heck it's not ours and we obviously not talking about the same baadiyo now let me make it abundantly clear to you WE ARE NOT ARABS never was never will be. Once again, this is not what I believe, but the fact of the matter is that most people in Somalia will claim that they are Arab, even the people in baadiyo. I stayed in Somalia for extensive periods of time, including living in baadiyo a few times (roughly a month at a time), I quite literally have seen this belief firsthand. Though please don't take it from me, you can find this on YouTube with ease, this hilarious video for example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGMpHMPYYo&ab\_channel=LilBasto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGMpHMPYYo&ab_channel=LilBasto) Almost all the lamagoodles (non-bantus) in this video think they are Arab. Though you can find more balanced videos like this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdTRJngFbU&ab\_channel=SomaliSocialTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdTRJngFbU&ab_channel=SomaliSocialTV) 5 say that they are Arab, but 5 say that they are not. Though the interesting thing is even the ones that say they are not acknowledge that it is a common belief within Somali society. Now given this, you must notice that these people are city folk and don't have the same strong tribal inclinations as people in baadiyo. If you were to run this experiment in baadyio, you'd have an even more overwhelming response of people claiming that they are Arab. The point is that this is a common belief, and it is plausible to say that most Somalis believe this, that doesn’t mean one is trying to change their culture. ​ >I know very well about that He still believes the extremely radical ideas he just changed his tactics and the majority of the Conservative far right radical groups do this and wait the perfect storm. You are right that he is a bit extreme, but comparing him to AS is simply incorrect as of now. He doesn’t make takfiir of individuals that AS makes takfiir of (Yusuf Qardaawi, Sufis, Salafiyyah Jadiidah, Ikhwanis, etc..) and rants against them often, so he pretty much differs on them with their usool. In fact, if AS got their hands on him as of right now, they'd most likely kill him on the spot as they consider him a murtad.


Diligent-Ad6407

>Sxb, it is a valid point, if people think something that is the sunnah is unsophisticated or that it is something to run away from, then that is something that is clearly blame worthy. Sure You could and should gain few xasanaad here there doing sunnah every now and then but nothing bad will happen to you if you don't do it That's the beauty of sunah when someone is committing crimes against Muslim people whichs forbidden in the name of Islam and dirty political purposes it's not a bad idea to distance yourself from them as much as possible don't call me Abu abu I'm geedi,janaqow,owguure etc >Fair enough, though to note, to say using Arabic as our script equates to Arabizing our culture, then the act of making Latin our script was the equivalent of westernizing our culture, especially seeing that throughout history we used Arabic based scripts That was casrul jaahili so it doesn't count >5 say that they are Arab, but 5 say that they are not. Though the interesting thing is even the ones that say they are not acknowledge that it is a common belief within Somali society. Now given this, you must notice that these people are city folk and don't have the same strong tribal inclinations as people in baadiyo. If you were to run this experiment in baadyio, you'd have an even more overwhelming response of people claiming that they are Arab. The point is that this is a common belief, and it is plausible to say that most Somalis believe this, that doesn’t mean one is trying to change thier culture. That's for us to decide not the arabs pushing this crab and at the very least more than half of us thinks we're not arabs we most certainly don't look like one. >You are right that he is a bit extreme, but comparing him to AS is simply incorrect as of now. He doesn’t make takfiir of individuals that AS makes takfiir of (Yusuf Qardaawi, Sufis, Salafiyyah Jadiidah, Ikhwanis, etc..) and rants against them often, so he pretty much differs on them with their usool. In fact, if AS got their hands on him as of right now, they'd most likely kill him on the spot as they consider him a murtad. Ninki Waraaba korsaday maxaa layiri 😂 We should let him get a teste of his own medicine I'm just saying


[deleted]

"arabized" that's not Al shabaab goal do not lie Al shabaab goal is to keep somalia destabilized for it's neighbors


[deleted]

No they don’t even speak Somali they are a group sent by Saudi araibia and eithopia to end us. Fun fact. Al shabab comes from the Islamic courts Union because they refused to surrender like all the other icus


[deleted]

Their goal is To keep Somalia destabilized and avoid them becoming a powerful nation. If Somalia starts selling their oil then this will affect the Gulf state oil prices. This is why Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states fund and arm Al-Shabaab. They were even caught doing this act. And Kenya and Ethiopia don't want a powerful somalia


[deleted]

That’s 100 percent true I have also seen that greater Somalia ideology isn’t their in the Somali government it literally has none I think it’s on purpose by them


Akhenatan

Are we going to abandon the Prophet (PBUH), the Sahaba, Arabic language, history of Islam and its heroes which were Arabs all in the name of Somaalinimo? Can't we be Somalis and bi-cultural as well?


Standard-Guarantee-5

Somalia for somalis


Diligent-Ad6407

We can be somali and Muslim at the same time But these idiots want to shove arab culture/language down our throats all in the name of Islam whichs simply crazy


creaking_floor

Somalia is a muslim country. Arabic is the langauge of islam. Cope


Novel_Ad_3627

Well then go to saudi Arabia. Somalia somali ba leh. Af somali iyo Dhaqan somali ba lenahay. If you don't like it i mean u can identify as an Arabtranformer in their own countries 😝


creaking_floor

I am somali and a proud one at that Eebe baa mahad iska leh but the anti arab children on this sub act like arabization is even a thing back home because the women cover up💀 not seeing women in guuntiino outside which doesnt cover the awrah does not mean we’re losing our culture.


magkruppe

...have you not noticed how somali names are the minority in large parts of somalia? Majority of my extended family have arab names then there's the conflation of Islam and Arab culture where we adopt arab customs under the guise of being "islamic" at the cost of our own


creaking_floor

The only names we give our children that are “arabic” are names that are beloved by Allaah swt such as abd-(name of Allaah) or names of prophets or companions (with most of them such as musa,harun,ayub, ettc being jewish in origin.) Not only that but i was back home just a month ago and me n my siblings also have “arabic” names and the people back home were saying “ah it would be better if you were named a somali name” or “if you were my child I’d have given you a somali name” so its not really as big of a problem as you think it to be.


magkruppe

Pretty sure that's a recent trend. There seems to have been a slow awakening of the erosion of somali culture among Somalis, but the fact that Arab names are so prevalent and the majority (in my experience) shows how things were back then. I can look at my somali friends and my uncles /aunties and I feel like 80% have Arab names. That's nuts (and honestly I just want some diversity in names). I'm sure current gen parents are tilting more towards traditional somali names though. And part of Islam is also keeping our culture. It's easy to overlook but Islam is not a culture, it's a religion. Unfortunately somalis for a long time now are too focussed on the outward manifestations /physical parts of Islam - Where memorising the Quran is prioritised over tafsir. Kids will be sent to Africa for years to memorise the quran yet their understanding of Islam makes no progress - Where wearing an traditional Arab khamis or growing a beard is used as a signal of piety - Where praying to Allah is taught solely as a physical form of worship and the spiritual side of it is thrown by the wayside Of course the above is only what I experienced within my own somali community, but it seems fairly consistent with what I've heard others say


Diligent-Ad6407

We are Muslim and somali so you need to cope


creaking_floor

Indeed we are so whats wrong with teaching the arabic langauge in our schools?


Diligent-Ad6407

The problem isn't learning one language or the other You're more than free to do that but when few guys who wants to replace our language and culture with something else like Arabic in this case That's a big No No.


creaking_floor

I agree heavily with that. We are somali and must perserve our language and culture and popularize the use of words like halis instead of a loanword like khatar. I thought you meant shoving down as in teaching the language in schools etc.


waqoyi92

oh my goodness i thought this was the cambodia subreddit


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creaking_floor

Somalinimadaa waxba kuuma tareyso maalinta qiyaamada walaal. Fear Allah!


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creaking_floor

Another kafir eh? Theres a lot of u man in here


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Novel_Ad_3627

Arabs have christians,muslims, jews, atheist and more. Arab doesn't mean islam. That's the Answer you will get even from them. Idk what makes you desire a foreign language,culture,history.


Akhenatan

I desire Jannah. That is your answer.


DefinitelyNotAbdi

Being the family of the Prophet wasn't enough for Abu Talib; being Arab is less prestigious than that. It is indeed a great honor to be born an Arab, I don't deny that. However, claiming a different father is not the Sunnah. Many of Islam's greatest heroes were non-Arabs such as Salman Al Farsi and Salahuddin. No one thinks less of them for being non-Arab. As for here and now, Arabs are our dearest brothers, we inherit from them and they inherit from us. We marry from them and they marry from us. There is no gap to bridge between us. Even when many Arab ~~nations~~ governments have abandoned the Palestinians, you'll note we haven't signed any deal that would diminish our brothers, and that includes Djibouti too. To be born a Somali is to be born fortunate. Alhamdulillah.


ugc_12n

Stop d riding arabs


[deleted]

This is dumbest thing I've seen all day


Imamkoshin619

The al shabab you hear on the news is just masenories used by a particular tribe to attack another tribe