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agg_aphrophilus

So, people, we need to exercise our critical thinking here. OP posted some paragraphs on how the president wants to normalize relations to Israel. There's a picture, but no other references. For all we know this could be from a blog called *HSM is a donkey.* A blog with a credibility score of 0. In fact, without references, this could only be some fictitious claims by the OP himself. Were this the case, this post would be removed without hesitation. As it were however, this excerpt is from a very real article from the very real newspaper Times of Israel. The article was published a couple of days ago and analyses Israeli-Somali relations: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/somali-leader-who-met-netanyahu-returns-to-power-and-some-see-hope-of-normalization/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/somali-leader-who-met-netanyahu-returns-to-power-and-some-see-hope-of-normalization/) Now almost everything in this piece is based on the opinions of an unnamed Somali diplomat. No corroborating evidence at all. No objective reason to believe that HSM will diverge from the official Somali line on Israel. And yet, most of you are jumping the gun because why - you don't like HSM? This lessens Somali political discourse - online and offline. Do better. The thread is closed.


Stutterboy22

This is political suicide. he'll never do this.


LordAgniKai

This is such a bad idea. The best thing we can do for Palestine and it's people rn is to NOT recognize Israel or make any deals with them.


alphonmango

Normalizing relationship with a apartheid nazi state, lol. If there's one country Somalis hate more than America, it's isreal. There is 191 countries in this world, and isreal will never be one.


1LookManLook

Nigga I fw USA & Isreal. Talk for yourself you terrorist loving fuk boy. Keep booty clapping for everyone else while you the 1 failed state.


awaoop

No you cares who you fw, you are the overwhelming minority


alphonmango

Nigga you ain't somali, this is the first post you did in this subreddit even though your account is old. Fuking isreal bot. Damn zionist scum


1LookManLook

Lame standard response. I’m a lander. Jews are not a problem for you slave ass nigga. It’s not your job to be Arabs lapdogs. What crazy is you complain about Al Shabab yet you back another terror organization. You idiot. You bitch about isreal n big up a fairytale called Palestine yet shit on SLand. What idiots. You niggaz are cancerous. Put yourself n your ppl first you self hating baboon


throwawa-y567

Fairytale? Palestine is at the UN and has a better chance of becoming a country than your clan project 🤣🤣.Calling Palestine a terror organization is indicative of how little you know about the conflict. And by the way, Somalia is not a failed state anymore, it is still fragile though. Just remember this though, you will never get any recognition on the world stage, you are a Somali state. Don't even know why you're on the SOMALIA subreddit if you want to pretend you're separate. Delusional. Also learn to type properly, reading your sentences is hurting my head.


1LookManLook

Warya grow sum xinyo and go get some Ws. All you guys do is take Ls. America is going to tear dat azz up. 😆 IA they cleanse them terrorists out there. Go handle them jareer batu niggaz that be abusing your dumar. Sad ass nigga 😂 we winning over here no 🧢 that’s why y’all on our nuts so hard. Gang


Qastradamus

Imagine simping for Israel and calling yourself Muslim


alphonmango

Nigga Mogadishu looks better than hargeisa eventhough it gets bumbed weekly. Winning??? Lol. How about you win in life Instead of collecting food stamps. Damn welfare rat. 😆 🤣


alphonmango

Self hating, lol I guess im a jew now 👃. Since you like large zionist noses up your pussy, you might as well not claim being somali/lander cuz either will send a dagger through your throat for saying that. As much as I might disagree with landers I see them nothing less than a brother and i have nothing but respect for them. Stop consuming fox news and see with you eyes whats really happening.


dragon8811

Ya Allah… I have no words and there are still people who support him. I can’t believe it In sha Allah he fails and I wish him the worst disease on hearth.


Africanbaguette

Out of qabyaalad you wish upon him evil, ilahay ha kugu celsho xaasid yahow.


dragon8811

I give a shit 😂 I wish him everything bad on earth. How can a Somali president cooperate with an Israeli?


NegotiationNext1679

Somalia is going down the drain


xxhamudxx

Qabilists are too busy smelling their own farts in celebration to clock this horrible potentiality


alarmrun

Somalia doesn’t ban Israeli passports


jimcali23

It all depends on our National interests. If it is good for us let him do that, if not don’t change the status-quo. We don’t have to set up our National Interests based on what is good or bad for other countries. And by the way Palestinians don’t care about Somalia why should we care. Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, UAE, And most Arab and Muslim states have a political relationship with Isreal. Palestine-Isreal war is not a religion war it is Cousins war, it is tribal war, every time you hear someone got killed by the Isrealis and He/she is Shahiid while that person isn’t even a muslim just like the other day when the journalist was killed guess what she was Christian. I don’t have anything against anyone but we have to think about Somalia First and what is good For Somalia. I remember when Ethiopian troops were killing Somalis in Mogadishu there we a demonstrations in Garowe and other cities in Somalia because some Palestinians were killed in Palestine and some of them weren’t muslim, what about Soomaliya Muqdisho ku dhimanayso? It just shows that how naive and ignorant we are. If we are against Muslimka ladaliaayo Why ooga mudaaharaadi waynay ku Muqdisho lagu dilaayay ? Otherwise wax kale aa Jiro.


[deleted]

I've been saying this for years. If Somalis had the same energy for the Palestinian struggle as for Somalia, Somalia would better off. Despite being a member of the Arab League, Somalis are NOT Arabs nor do Arab countries respect or care for Somalia. Yet, here we are with Somalis trying to run over each other to be in the front of the line of Palestine Pride Parade. Until Somalia is peaceful and prosperous, Somalis should focus their time, energy, money, even duas on Somalia and not on random ass Arab countries that literally don't care about Somalia. Why are Somalis caping for Palestine? Or any other country for that matter. When literally their Arab neighbors don't care if Palestine gets wiped off the face of the Earth while actively making deals with Israel. I'm not anti-Palestine, I'm just pro-Somalia. Palestine is an issue for the Arabs to fix, not Somalis. Somalia have enough issues on their plate then to be worried about some ajnabis. It's just that Palestine has nothing to do with me, it's not my job or problem. I just care more about dying Somali children than dying Palestine children. Also, OP should probably be more worried about Yemeni kids get killed everyday than what a bunch of random Somalis on Reddit think of the Israel-Palestine issue.


happygiraffe404

Well said. I don't see why relations shouldn't normalise ONLY if we will benefit something from it. If there is no benefit, no need then because there's no point. We should care about our interests first, the country is in complete disarray, we shouldn't be turning our back on things that benefit us for the sake of people who wouldn't spit on us if we were on fire. Does Palestine or any of the other levant countries care about us? Absolutely not, they think that we are less than them.


[deleted]

This is a fair argument.


jimcali23

So true.


[deleted]

If they can help us with opening up desalination plants, then that can be really helpful. Israel seem to be experts at that.Djibouti managed to open up one with EU help and it’s powered by wind. Somalis need to be forward thinking and evaluate our options. I don’t wanna HSM doing bogey deals that benefits the Yahuds and exploits our ppl.


phishiyochips

OP is Qatari misinformation operative. Mods should ban these sort of accounts.


LeeLurker

There is no evidence of Somalia normalisation with Israel This is all nonsense and just “potentially”


jeestoleey

This is a good thing. The ummah is dead, there is no unity amongst Arab nations against Israel, so why are we as a country opposed to them for no reason? The Palestinian problem is an issue for the Middle East and not us. The Saudis and numerous other nations work covertly with Israel as well. We have a lot to learn from Israel, specifically the ethnic nationalism, and the importance of military supremacy. Just as they are surrounded by enemy nations, we are as well. We should position ourselves to fill a similar role in Africa. While I might sympathize with Palestine, it makes no sense for us to prioritize their issues instead of ours as a people and country. What has Palestine done for us? And why is the Palestinian issue a Muslim cause but the numerous other issues plaguing Muslim people (i.e Uyghurs) are not?


TopMali

It’s the principle, if you ask me every country with a colonial history should support Palestine because it could be any of us tomorrow


Stutterboy22

Somalia has Nothing to gain from normalisation.


jeestoleey

I disagree. The change in viewing international relations would show that we are not longer beholden to or prioritize the interests of other nations, and for the first time in 30 years, some sort of independent foreign policy.


[deleted]

This will not be love affair but I hope our Government will bring better cooperation with Somalia.Somalia position is crucial,while Israel trade with the East is rising in double digits every year so is it's importance,any unfriendly/hostile country is just another headache/potential threat.Peaceful,non hostile and stable Somalia is good thing for Israeli economy and security in the long run.


Gallaballatime1

I agree. Somalia should expand its relationship with countries within the region and outside. And we have much we can learn from Israel, especially regarding national security.


TopMali

Are you retarded? Any country could do what Israel does if they were to get pumped by the US and Western Europe as a colony


MissionBad732

Mmmm national security, would that be how to keep millions of people in apartied? Their are so many successful, peaceful nations to work and co-operate with, why praise a violent colonial state ? Israel would be a global pariah if it wasn’t for Uncle Sam.


[deleted]

Good luck with everything


Gallaballatime1

Good! They’ve done us no harm.


[deleted]

I just want to tell you if you are secular that just because the Palestinian groups may be awful does not mean that Israel is not a state that is illegally occupying an area and has made a whole population second class citzitens and builds illegal settlements in the West Bank, something the UN and all human rights organizations critizize. Also those in Israel that nowadays run the country are fanatical rightwing religious parties that think that black people are dogs, want to kill all arabs. So it's funny and hypocritical when you rightfully criticize islamists for the awful and despicable religious rules they enforce but support other religious fanatics and all enemies of Muslim countries even though they are also doing human rights abuses.


Gallaballatime1

They’re not harming Somalis. We’re the poorest nation in the word and you’re more concerned with people that have better living standards then your own


[deleted]

I am concerned with all people, and the living standards are useless if you live as a second class citizens and can't even leave your city. Do you care only if people harm Somali? Would you truly support all governments investing in our country regardless of their internationally recognized crimes? Would you question us getting investments from the other middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran that are also despicable or do you only support relations with Israel? I don't want anything to do with any of these countries, we should get support from the EU as they have at least a record of not being monsters


[deleted]

People like you would probably have supported the ethiopian monarchy and their Christians supremacists just because they aren't at least muslim extremist. You are literally the image religious somalis have when they think about irreligious somali.


Gallaballatime1

So Israel has tried to invade, annex and ethnically cleans Somalis now? Your argument makes no sense.


[deleted]

So you would ally yourself with anyone as long as they don't do something to our people personally? I mean I am irreligious and don't want Somalia to be shariah state but I wouldn't my country to have relations with any of the Middle East countries that do awful amount of human rights abuses, that includes Israel, the Arab gulf states too or Iran. I am not gonna be supportive of Israel's government that support extreme religious settlers and reward them by normalizing our relations with


Gallaballatime1

What don’t you understand? I’m not gonna fight for a people much wealthier than my own who are currently the poorest in the world. Somalia has to prioritize itself


[deleted]

Another example would be segregation in the United States. Technically black people also had better housing, were better fed and had more wealth than us Somali have even today. Does that mean you would have supported Segregationist United States and would have wanted international relations with them and told everyone that the "uppity blacks in the US should understand that they have it better than us Somali in Africa, why should we care about their suffering and not get all the support we want from the US"


Gallaballatime1

We litteraly did that. We trade with the us China and India that all commit gross human rights violations


[deleted]

I agree with you with and thats bad, but you were defending Israel before by somehow indicating that you don't care about the human rights abuses just because it is not Somali that are suffering but arabs. In the end,I am not against normalizing if we we can help huge amount of somali by doing that, but I am not going deny that normalizing with that regime would still be immoral, the same way dealing with China is. Also the US has like 100 times better than record Israel, China or India when it comes to human rights record, kinda unfair to put them in the same category. They are not doing ethnic cleansing nowadays at least.


Stutterboy22

No one is asking you to fight for them. Just don't support their oppressors by recognising them.


[deleted]

Firstly, I didn't say you should physically fight for them but just not downplay their suffering. What fo you not understand about second class citizenship and living in enclosed cities. Do you know that in the 1990s in apartheid South Africa the black people there lived technically wealthier than us Somali at the same time. We were starving they were not in danger of starving. That did not mean that they were not suffering an awful oppression. Would you have supported apartheid South Africa and normalized relations with them because the black South Africans were technically more well of than us?


shacabka

There is that saying for these situations: tiisa daryeela tu kale ku dara 👍🏿


Gallaballatime1

Wa saaxsantahay walaal


throwawa-y567

It is better to remain poor and be on the side of deen and goodness than to be wealthy and against Allah and his Messenger (pbuh).


[deleted]

That's not really an argument for someone that does not care about your Religion


throwawa-y567

Okay and why am I arguing with them? What do they have to do with this? We are a Muslim nation if you did not know.


Gallaballatime1

Typical fanatical sayings.


throwawa-y567

That word is thrown around so much it is almost laughable. So anyone who believes this world is temporary and that our true purpose is to worship Allah and try to not displease him is a fanatic? All the wealth in the world would not benefit you if it meant going against our creator.


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Gallaballatime1

We’re about to potentially face our biggest drought yet but that doesn’t matter because “heaven”


throwawa-y567

Where did I say to not worry about a drought? Done responding to you as you are obviously a troll that can't read what I'm saying. Alhamdulillah most Somalis don't think like you.


throwawa-y567

Did not say anything controversial. The greatest man to have ever lived our prophet (pbuh) died poor and never had a full stomach. Yet we know his status in the next world. This world is temporary and our one true purpose is to worship and please Allah. You want Somalis to turn against our deen and religion for what? This would not be beneficial in the least. The path of Allah is not always the easiest, but alhamdulillah it is the greatest!


throwawa-y567

We Somalis are Muslim and will always stand with our Palestinian Muslim brothers and sisters who live under an apartheid regime. I don't know how any Muslim can in good conscience support the country that consistently disrespects the third holiest site and tear gas the mosque our prophet (pbuh) prayed in. Even religion aside, one side disregards human rights and international law.


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Gallaballatime1

Don’t you know the Kashmiris and the Uighirs aren’t Arab


[deleted]

I agree with you that Muslims obviously only care about palestine because the ulema told them, but what does it mean it is an "arab" problem? So when muslims in Pakistan kill hindus because of their religion it is only the hindus problem or when the yazidi Kurds were being killed because some Muslims wanted to create a caliphate in Syria it was only the a kurd problem? Would you say the Holocaust would not interest you because it is only a problem of the Jews, they should care about it? In the end no one chooses the eligibility or ethnicity their born with. In the end it is important to remember as Martin Luther King has beautifully said: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."


throwawa-y567

No as Muslims it is our problem too. As humans who have empathy it is our problem as well. The fact that you even think Somalis would ever be okay with the government normalizing relations with that country shows you understand very little. All that would do is empower the radicals in the country. It is not going to happen.


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throwawa-y567

I'm not even going to argue. You just seem to hate Arabs or something. Somalia is not going to have a formal relationship with that nation. Dream all you want, it's not happening. All of this talk is from an Israeli newspaper. Somalia may be a broken country but alhamdulillah we are a religious people. Deen>Dunya.


JeffryPesos

[Why do you keep posting this? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Somalia/comments/uvgsc2/somali_leader_who_met_netanyahu_returns_to_power/) You aren't even Somali, stop trying to stir trouble.


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JeffryPesos

This is your first post on r/Somalia, I'm guessing you're here for noble reasons too Everytime there's a controversial topic posted, you get dodgy accounts coming out of the woodwork.


SomaliStepper

Pray for Israel 🙏🏿


Mubotan

I don't think he'll do it.