I used to work at a clinic in Hargeisa and there was a time where a mom and father together with their daughter came to our clinic asking for a pregnancy test to be done on their daughter. We did the test, and it came out positive. The father(Caaqil) asked the doctor to prescribe Misoprostil to his daughter to abort the fetus. The doctor prescribed the pills and the fetus was aborted.
Honestly, I don't know that much about small villages. But, the final the decision belongs to the doctor. If the patient and doctor (sometimes parents) agree on the abortion, it will be done. Most of the times abortion is done to prevent shame because the girl had sex with her boyfriend or maybe she got raped.
Abortions exist in Somalia but you need the consent of a male guardian. It has to be your husband. If your husband is out of the countryā¦ you can bring your brother or your father. There must be a justifiable reason to get the abortion though. At the same time, many people also do illegal abortions in Somalia. The pills are easily accessible in corner stores around the country.
I am not sure why so many people in the comments are in denial people get abortions in Somalia. Especially, in Islam, abortion is allowed under certain circumstances. So when these ācircumstancesā arise, the doctors perform these abortion procedures on you.
Somalia is a very conservative society in regards to culture and religion. I am sure that people are not getting abortions due to irresponsible sex or because simply because they canāt afford to feed future children. The reasons why people are getting abortions in Somalia is because of those permissible circumstances. I even know people who wouldnāt get an abortion under those permissible circumstances because depending on the school of thought in Islamā¦. It is debatable what makes abortion permissible in certain circumstances.
And your argument of comparing pig meat and abortion does not correlate. In Islam, very sin is weighted differently. Eating a dirty animal is not the same as killing a human being growing inside of you because simply you had premarital sex or canāt afford to have a child. To add, I donāt think itās ever permissible to eat pork meat. I think you may be referring to how the cells of a pig can be used as medicine and many scholars said it was permissible to use those medications for health reasons. Same could be said about marijuana to prevent cancer cells from spreading in your body.
To conclude, I believe we must be very open minded why people get abortions, especially in a country like Somalia. Even if a person is not religious in Somalia they adhere to the cultural norms of society that still align with the Islamic way of life. I doubt majority of women in Somalia are getting abortions due to irresponsible sex or being poor. The majority of abortions cases are due to sexual assault, health reasons, etcā¦.
Brother/sister I know all this. If you live in the west, you know how hot this topic is and who pushes it and why. It is all about sexual liberation and me me me individualism. One of the core tenets of the new Deen of the west that they spread.
This person doesn't care about abortion itself, he/she is pushing this ideology and we shouldn't even entertain it is my point.
Abortion is a problem for the liberals. Not for us. If we discuss it as if it is a big problem for us too.. that means we accepted his paradigm and embraced the worldview of liberalism and individualism.
I agree with you, but I am just thinking from a different angle
But why? Are you a doctor? Pregnant? Your friend pregnant and want abortion?
If you "just want to know", then that shows me you are interested in the topic which shows of course you have a stance.
If you want to write another lame story about it where a village girl want an abortion, that exactly shows you want to push it
BTW I already know you are lying. Everything you wrote about and expressed in this sub before and now screams that you are a liberal missionary
It would be very strange if you aren't for abortion
You're right I'm writing a story called the 'abortion fairy.' but it's not pro abortion. It's surrealist bullshit to fuck with your mind. Personally I don't have a position either way about abortion.
I remember there was an outrage in xamar when newborn infant was found in Lido Beach, apparently she gave birth in the beach and went on her way. I think we really idealise Somalis back home, the things I've seen and heard is unfathomable, maybe the rest of the country is better but xamar is just like any metrapolis and their isnt much control over pharmaceuticals you can get medicine without prescription even. Now I don't know about abortion pills but the morning after pill was used alot!!! Funnily saw was Viagra.
When I was young, My cousin got impregnated by her Macalin and her mother took her to something they call MCH clinic, run by known feminist and activist women in our town and they get rid of the baby.
I think it's low-key but those MCH clinics do abortion.
You again? I see you have made some progress.
You learned that you can do your dawah in the form of questions. Impressive step!
Before you used to write some lame and obvious stories where the characters do all kinds of immorality and try to make it look cool. You realized that most people just cringe or throw up reading them and never look back.
Some of the people here might wonder "Why does this person care about abortion in Somalia anyway?"
Because this seems like a very random and pointless question from someone who doesn't need abortion herself.
Well it is pretty simple really, this topic is very popular in the crazy western world and carries a whole lifestyle with it. The exact lifestyle this person promotes.
Therefore by only talking about it he/she gives more exposure to this lifestyle in the community.
It has absolutely nothing to do with abortion itself. It is a whole lifestyle.
Just be honest and be upfront with what you want to promote.
This approach is for the creative people, and creativity and originality is what you lack.
It just makes you look stupid.
The real honest approach is to say what you stand for and argue for it. That is more respect worthy. Not this spineless hiding behind stories and questions.
Man up or woman up
Somalia has one of the highest rates of child mortality on the globe. A child has double the chance of making it to 5 years if their born in Yemen or Haiti. That to me is far more disturbing than a woman terminating a pregnancy in the first trimester.
So ? Does that make what I said untrue ? Too many Muslims talk as if it is forbidden in all circumstances. Like I said, they donāt know their own religion.
Because it's misleading, If the average person asks you "Are Muslims allowed to eat pork?" The answer most people give is "No", not "It's generally forbidden except in the events of starvation". That's because the exception isn't the rule. Abortion is generally forbidden, except certain circumstances.
It is not misleading to inform others of the facts. If you donāt like it, I donāt know man. Talk to the Qurāan maybe. Donāt know what to tell you š
The logical inconsistency of this is what prevents me from taking you anti-abortionists seriously. If you're coming at this from the angle that abortion is murder, how does the mother's life being at risk change anything at all? She's still killing her child, according to you, no matter if it is to save her own life or not.
Are you allowed to kill an innocent third party to save your own life? If someone needs a heart transplant to survive, can they just kill someone to get one?
Make it make sense, please. Cause right now it looks like you lot are just conceding random points to make your own ridiculously strict arguemnt seem more sympathetic
> If someone needs a heart transplant to survive, can they just kill someone to get one?
Not the same. In the case of preventing the death of the mother.. you are basically choosing from 2 harms directly depending on each other. You prevent the greater harm. Here both the mother and the baby are both innocent.
In your example, you have only one harm you need to prevent. And you want to prevent it by actively creating another separate harm for it. It is unjust.
In the usual "my body my choice" kind of abortion tho. There you have a filthy immoral beast of a "person" wanting to kill an innocent baby with absolutely no harm to herself. Nauseating
But wouldnāt forcing women who want to get an abortion to continue with an unwanted pregnancy cause great emotional harm? Such women would most likely make terrible mothers anyway. This would cause a lifetime of suffering and trauma for the child; they even get abandoned at birth.
Very taboo subject, youād have to go there & see... thereās definitely a hook up culture ppl my age..but abortion pills over the counter & stuff doesnāt exist, same with condoms. Donāt get me wrong youāll get some action but itās too much ceeb to even think about asking those sort of questions to the pharmacist.... Also itās deen over dunya over here & rightly so we pride in ourselves to have decency & not resort to degenerate filth like the West promotes.
Because itās haram, there shouldnāt even be a debate about this if your in touch with your deen, unless of course itās through rape or mothers health is at risk
You lot a mad, the West and Europe is the only place we can live in peace. The wealthy arabs nations treat Somali refugees like slaves and deport Somalis en masse when the demand for domestic workers drops. Our African neighbours mistreat Somalis on a daily, rape Somali women and leave families to starve in neglected refugee camps. In Yemen, Somalis make up the bulk of prostitutes for sex tourists from the Gulf who indulge in "misyar" marriages. Where is the degeneracy exactly?
In Europe we have full rights as citizens, voting, education, healthcare etc. If u find that to be degenerate you should move to one of these supposedly morally superior islamic countries.
Youre so utterly brainwashed, there are tons of Somalis in the Middle East, are you that dense to actually believe every Somali in the ME is a domestic worker? The 2 instances you mentioned was essentially Libya and Yemen 2 war torn country where historically Somalis actually lived and traded perfectly fine gtfo with your bull.
It is you who is brainwashed . Saudi has been mass deporting Somalis, rounding up more than 10'000 at a time. Obviously not all Somalis there are domestic workers, but a lot of Somali women take those jobs over there. You have internetz, search "Saudi Arabia Somali expulsions", they kicked poor Somalis out when they were done with cheap labour. The seperate mothers from their kids in detention centre and sent people back with zero regard for their welfare. Morality
Of course its a different situation if you have money. Somalis who move to Qatar from Europe or NA, seem to really enjoy it. Its how those places treat the poor that tells us most about their morality. You should probably aim to move rhere soon so you can live somewhere with a morality you can get behind.
The Saudi Ministry of Labour opened up for recruitment of Somali domestic workers (cooks, maids, cleaners etc) almost 10 years ago. Tens of thousands work in the sector which is notoriously cruel and has a complete absence of laws to protect migrant workers. Even more work illegally as house staff. I dont know where you're getting these claims from.
Somalia has the highest child mortality rate in the world. No one can afford to have those children and they suffer and die for it. Is that a reward for not not allowing abortions?
Letās say someone gets pregnant by accident the condom split or whatever and they donāt want a child, that makes them a degenerate if they get an abortion?
It may be that they think abortion as such doesn't exist. I remember when I was there they didn't know condoms existed. But I'm convinced all human societies know the existence of abortion but just have different ways of interruptions.
What city were you in for people not to know condoms existed? People have been using different contraceptives for centuries now. These topics have always been a knowledge people in the Muslim world had since early times.
Bro itās just, you brought up such a taboo subject that thereās going to divided opinions as you can clearly see... It just needs more context as to why you asked this question & your end goal from it.
In the olden days, they probably used a concoction of herbs to rid of the fetus. I remember reading that Ancient Egypt also had some methods of abortion. But now, they just take a pill.
I used to work at a clinic in Hargeisa and there was a time where a mom and father together with their daughter came to our clinic asking for a pregnancy test to be done on their daughter. We did the test, and it came out positive. The father(Caaqil) asked the doctor to prescribe Misoprostil to his daughter to abort the fetus. The doctor prescribed the pills and the fetus was aborted.
Was that a common occurrence in your time there?
No, it was rare
Ok. What about smaller villages?
Honestly, I don't know that much about small villages. But, the final the decision belongs to the doctor. If the patient and doctor (sometimes parents) agree on the abortion, it will be done. Most of the times abortion is done to prevent shame because the girl had sex with her boyfriend or maybe she got raped.
We love to see it. Glad there is some access to abortions in Hargeysa!
Are u not muslim? Unless there's a issue then shouldn't they not have aborted?
I am not and I think abortion should come with no time limits whatsoever. š¤·š¾āāļø
Idk about that only if there are certain health issues with the baby or like if the lady is impregnated due to rape etc
Abortions exist in Somalia but you need the consent of a male guardian. It has to be your husband. If your husband is out of the countryā¦ you can bring your brother or your father. There must be a justifiable reason to get the abortion though. At the same time, many people also do illegal abortions in Somalia. The pills are easily accessible in corner stores around the country. I am not sure why so many people in the comments are in denial people get abortions in Somalia. Especially, in Islam, abortion is allowed under certain circumstances. So when these ācircumstancesā arise, the doctors perform these abortion procedures on you.
Abortion is allowed in certain circumstances, yes the same way eating pig meat is allowed in certain circumstances
Somalia is a very conservative society in regards to culture and religion. I am sure that people are not getting abortions due to irresponsible sex or because simply because they canāt afford to feed future children. The reasons why people are getting abortions in Somalia is because of those permissible circumstances. I even know people who wouldnāt get an abortion under those permissible circumstances because depending on the school of thought in Islamā¦. It is debatable what makes abortion permissible in certain circumstances. And your argument of comparing pig meat and abortion does not correlate. In Islam, very sin is weighted differently. Eating a dirty animal is not the same as killing a human being growing inside of you because simply you had premarital sex or canāt afford to have a child. To add, I donāt think itās ever permissible to eat pork meat. I think you may be referring to how the cells of a pig can be used as medicine and many scholars said it was permissible to use those medications for health reasons. Same could be said about marijuana to prevent cancer cells from spreading in your body. To conclude, I believe we must be very open minded why people get abortions, especially in a country like Somalia. Even if a person is not religious in Somalia they adhere to the cultural norms of society that still align with the Islamic way of life. I doubt majority of women in Somalia are getting abortions due to irresponsible sex or being poor. The majority of abortions cases are due to sexual assault, health reasons, etcā¦.
Brother/sister I know all this. If you live in the west, you know how hot this topic is and who pushes it and why. It is all about sexual liberation and me me me individualism. One of the core tenets of the new Deen of the west that they spread. This person doesn't care about abortion itself, he/she is pushing this ideology and we shouldn't even entertain it is my point. Abortion is a problem for the liberals. Not for us. If we discuss it as if it is a big problem for us too.. that means we accepted his paradigm and embraced the worldview of liberalism and individualism. I agree with you, but I am just thinking from a different angle
I have no opinion on abortion either way. I want to know the mechanics of Somali abortion.
Why do you want to know that? And what makes you think it is different from anywhere else?
Abortion practices are not uniform. Especially in smaller villages.
But why? Are you a doctor? Pregnant? Your friend pregnant and want abortion? If you "just want to know", then that shows me you are interested in the topic which shows of course you have a stance. If you want to write another lame story about it where a village girl want an abortion, that exactly shows you want to push it BTW I already know you are lying. Everything you wrote about and expressed in this sub before and now screams that you are a liberal missionary It would be very strange if you aren't for abortion
You're right I'm writing a story called the 'abortion fairy.' but it's not pro abortion. It's surrealist bullshit to fuck with your mind. Personally I don't have a position either way about abortion.
Congrachulations, out of all posts made on 11th May in r/Somalia, yours was the top comment of all (out of 157 total comments). Shine on!
I remember there was an outrage in xamar when newborn infant was found in Lido Beach, apparently she gave birth in the beach and went on her way. I think we really idealise Somalis back home, the things I've seen and heard is unfathomable, maybe the rest of the country is better but xamar is just like any metrapolis and their isnt much control over pharmaceuticals you can get medicine without prescription even. Now I don't know about abortion pills but the morning after pill was used alot!!! Funnily saw was Viagra.
When I was young, My cousin got impregnated by her Macalin and her mother took her to something they call MCH clinic, run by known feminist and activist women in our town and they get rid of the baby. I think it's low-key but those MCH clinics do abortion.
And how do they induce abortion?
I was a teenager man I didn't have time for the details. All I know is, it was the MCH were the miracle happened.
What does mch stand for?
Mother & Child Health clinics they're funded by UNICEF.
The macalin raped her?
You again? I see you have made some progress. You learned that you can do your dawah in the form of questions. Impressive step! Before you used to write some lame and obvious stories where the characters do all kinds of immorality and try to make it look cool. You realized that most people just cringe or throw up reading them and never look back. Some of the people here might wonder "Why does this person care about abortion in Somalia anyway?" Because this seems like a very random and pointless question from someone who doesn't need abortion herself. Well it is pretty simple really, this topic is very popular in the crazy western world and carries a whole lifestyle with it. The exact lifestyle this person promotes. Therefore by only talking about it he/she gives more exposure to this lifestyle in the community. It has absolutely nothing to do with abortion itself. It is a whole lifestyle. Just be honest and be upfront with what you want to promote. This approach is for the creative people, and creativity and originality is what you lack. It just makes you look stupid. The real honest approach is to say what you stand for and argue for it. That is more respect worthy. Not this spineless hiding behind stories and questions. Man up or woman up
Haha. So you don't like my stories. Maybe you'll like this one? You never know...
Abortion is haram unless specific issue like motherās life is at risk.
So abortion doesn't exist in Somalia?
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Somalia has one of the highest rates of child mortality on the globe. A child has double the chance of making it to 5 years if their born in Yemen or Haiti. That to me is far more disturbing than a woman terminating a pregnancy in the first trimester.
That is because they donāt know their own religion though. Abortion is allowed in Islam in some circumstances.
This is like saying Islam allows you to eat pork in some circumstances (which is true)
So ? Does that make what I said untrue ? Too many Muslims talk as if it is forbidden in all circumstances. Like I said, they donāt know their own religion.
Because it's misleading, If the average person asks you "Are Muslims allowed to eat pork?" The answer most people give is "No", not "It's generally forbidden except in the events of starvation". That's because the exception isn't the rule. Abortion is generally forbidden, except certain circumstances.
These people wonāt listen. They will come up with this situation, that situation.
It is not misleading to inform others of the facts. If you donāt like it, I donāt know man. Talk to the Qurāan maybe. Donāt know what to tell you š
I might use it for one of my stories. I could just make up a herb or some potion but if there's something real I'd rather use that.
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We know it's not legal.
The logical inconsistency of this is what prevents me from taking you anti-abortionists seriously. If you're coming at this from the angle that abortion is murder, how does the mother's life being at risk change anything at all? She's still killing her child, according to you, no matter if it is to save her own life or not. Are you allowed to kill an innocent third party to save your own life? If someone needs a heart transplant to survive, can they just kill someone to get one? Make it make sense, please. Cause right now it looks like you lot are just conceding random points to make your own ridiculously strict arguemnt seem more sympathetic
> If someone needs a heart transplant to survive, can they just kill someone to get one? Not the same. In the case of preventing the death of the mother.. you are basically choosing from 2 harms directly depending on each other. You prevent the greater harm. Here both the mother and the baby are both innocent. In your example, you have only one harm you need to prevent. And you want to prevent it by actively creating another separate harm for it. It is unjust. In the usual "my body my choice" kind of abortion tho. There you have a filthy immoral beast of a "person" wanting to kill an innocent baby with absolutely no harm to herself. Nauseating
But wouldnāt forcing women who want to get an abortion to continue with an unwanted pregnancy cause great emotional harm? Such women would most likely make terrible mothers anyway. This would cause a lifetime of suffering and trauma for the child; they even get abandoned at birth.
Very taboo subject, youād have to go there & see... thereās definitely a hook up culture ppl my age..but abortion pills over the counter & stuff doesnāt exist, same with condoms. Donāt get me wrong youāll get some action but itās too much ceeb to even think about asking those sort of questions to the pharmacist.... Also itās deen over dunya over here & rightly so we pride in ourselves to have decency & not resort to degenerate filth like the West promotes.
How is abortion degenerate filth lol
Because itās haram, there shouldnāt even be a debate about this if your in touch with your deen, unless of course itās through rape or mothers health is at risk
Why does rape not make it haram?
Lol why you getting downvoted. This isnāt a topic for debate.
Iām not surprised, the West & Europe has done a number on our diasporas unfortunately...
You lot a mad, the West and Europe is the only place we can live in peace. The wealthy arabs nations treat Somali refugees like slaves and deport Somalis en masse when the demand for domestic workers drops. Our African neighbours mistreat Somalis on a daily, rape Somali women and leave families to starve in neglected refugee camps. In Yemen, Somalis make up the bulk of prostitutes for sex tourists from the Gulf who indulge in "misyar" marriages. Where is the degeneracy exactly? In Europe we have full rights as citizens, voting, education, healthcare etc. If u find that to be degenerate you should move to one of these supposedly morally superior islamic countries.
Youre so utterly brainwashed, there are tons of Somalis in the Middle East, are you that dense to actually believe every Somali in the ME is a domestic worker? The 2 instances you mentioned was essentially Libya and Yemen 2 war torn country where historically Somalis actually lived and traded perfectly fine gtfo with your bull.
It is you who is brainwashed . Saudi has been mass deporting Somalis, rounding up more than 10'000 at a time. Obviously not all Somalis there are domestic workers, but a lot of Somali women take those jobs over there. You have internetz, search "Saudi Arabia Somali expulsions", they kicked poor Somalis out when they were done with cheap labour. The seperate mothers from their kids in detention centre and sent people back with zero regard for their welfare. Morality Of course its a different situation if you have money. Somalis who move to Qatar from Europe or NA, seem to really enjoy it. Its how those places treat the poor that tells us most about their morality. You should probably aim to move rhere soon so you can live somewhere with a morality you can get behind.
Somalis arent even allowed to work as domestic workers in arab league nations
The Saudi Ministry of Labour opened up for recruitment of Somali domestic workers (cooks, maids, cleaners etc) almost 10 years ago. Tens of thousands work in the sector which is notoriously cruel and has a complete absence of laws to protect migrant workers. Even more work illegally as house staff. I dont know where you're getting these claims from.
Just because something is haram doesnāt mean itās degenerate filth lol
What lol. Anything that is haram is filth.
Ok
Killing a child, either because you were being stupid or "you can't afford it" is degenerate filth
Somalia has the highest child mortality rate in the world. No one can afford to have those children and they suffer and die for it. Is that a reward for not not allowing abortions?
Letās say someone gets pregnant by accident the condom split or whatever and they donāt want a child, that makes them a degenerate if they get an abortion?
Yes
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It would be better if every country was under sharia law wouldnāt it
Apart from pills and such, is there something else that they might use...like some kind of herb??
Wouldnāt know for sure, itās just something not practiced as itās an Islamic country
It may be that they think abortion as such doesn't exist. I remember when I was there they didn't know condoms existed. But I'm convinced all human societies know the existence of abortion but just have different ways of interruptions.
What city were you in for people not to know condoms existed? People have been using different contraceptives for centuries now. These topics have always been a knowledge people in the Muslim world had since early times.
Not a city. A small village. I lived there during my dhaqancelis
Bro itās just, you brought up such a taboo subject that thereās going to divided opinions as you can clearly see... It just needs more context as to why you asked this question & your end goal from it.
I just wanted to know what Somalis do when they wish to abort a baby. Is it a secret?
In the olden days, they probably used a concoction of herbs to rid of the fetus. I remember reading that Ancient Egypt also had some methods of abortion. But now, they just take a pill.