You must also be able to take the initiative to actually report hateful and prejudiced comments. I should not have to go through hundreds of comments. If you see comments that break the rules, make sure you report them.

The mods themselves are a problem. They refuse to do anything about the trolls on this sub. They can easily setup *Automod* to remove any comment and post by people with negative karma or young accounts. That would stop a majority of them. In fact, one of them is in the comment section right now! A clear troll.

Qabiils in general need to just go away. Look at Rwanda now after they made Qabiil talk illegal

Agree💯

Old people wired to this sht. You know how you grow up with something and is ingrained in you. Somalis would be really productive if it wasn’t for qabil.

Qabiil itself isn’t bad, nothing wrong with learning your heritage.

Qabil itself will always lead to qabyalaad. Qabil needs to die

Qabiil iyo Qabyaalad ka la saar. “O humanity! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another. Surely the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous among you. Allah is truly All-Knowing, All-Aware.

The problem is Somali people will never be able to separate them, lol. It will always lead back to qabyalaad. And that verse could be referring to Somali people as a single tribe (aka ethnicity). I doubt we were created as Habr Gidr, Ogaden, Isaaq, etc etc. We were created as Somalis and eventually we created tribes to divide ourselves. Many civilizations rid themselves of tribes centuries ago and are thriving, Somalis are still fighting over tribes in the year 2023. Qabil needs to die, who cares about which random geeljire you came from centuries ago?

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Its the fact that every clan wanting theirs at the top because of the cultural decay in our country, I can see us moving forward without all that and still keeping our lineage. I don’t agree with the two extremes, “abolish qabiils”, and “weaponise tribes”.

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Agree with you. They need to find solutions for it. Maybe make a think tank group that does research and writes legislation to change people’s mind about clans. Society can be changed overtime with healthy propaganda.

>It's another "muh heritage" retard I wish you "people" would drop this act and openly state you want Somalia to remain an irrelevant third-world shithole where your ancestry is more important than your competence. Imagine being (presumably) a sapient being, witnessing the depredation, conflict, rape, and injustice qabil has wrought, and **still** arguing for its preservation. All because you want to learn which illiterate camel herder you descend from. Utterly mind-boggling.

Preach. Whenever someone speaks about qabil, it’s always an insight into the xoolo that raised them.

Wallahi waa edeb daran tahay. How does saying that qabyalad doesn’t equate to learning about one’s qabiil mean that I wish to keep somalia a third world country? It’s qabyalad that’s unhealthy. Right now, the reason why our country is a shithole is because we allow dangerous individuals who choose qabiil dumis, mooryaanimo and all that ish. Also my ancestors were far from illiterate camel herders, take that projection somewhere else 🤣

If this about my comment on darood? I didn’t mean any hatred just that some parts of them didn’t really fight against said barre, lots still fought against him and he even was against some darood clans like the majeertan. Horrible violence also happened to them, for example the usc did clan cleansing against darood and 400,000 daroods had to escape Mogadishu.

It's not that deep, adeero... Also, what's up with xaarood and qadaad wayn? I've never heard of them before. What do they mean and who are they referring to?

Xarood is a funny mimicry of darood and qadaad weyn is a rude nickname for hawiye And yes it is that deep cay usually start with jokes and banter

Thanks adeer

This is why we have freedom of expression. You'll only whine when someone says a word you don't like

So u think its okay to insult others?

Idm how people get their point across as long as it's not repeated harassment

Stop beating around the bush u either accept insults as smth normal or don’t if ur muslim yk the answer

Every now and then a diaspora has an epiphany and is enlightened enough to realise that Somalis would be the most advanced civilisation if they rid themselves of a system that has been our bedrock and inherent to them since they have been formed over a millennia ago…

We have been fighting for that millennia abo learn yo history

Even ppl back home know qabiil is a very bad thing but they have no choice or they just dont care Somalis have been living, marrying, trading between each other for hundreds of thousands of years and today modern borders are trying to stop that

You believe qabil is bad because you live in the West presumably. Qabil is obsolete for diaspora, its a foreign concept and its implementation is minimal - given diaspora work, live and survive without the safety net that Qabil brings. However, ask someone back home about the safety net of Qabil, they’ll enlighten you. Again, Western diaspora who studied a little and believe they have overcome the ignorance of our forefathers need to learn some level of humility and honestly a reality check. The West is a hotbed of isolation, depression and mental health crises - which stem directly from the separation of not only the Church & the State but also the family (to want to modernise -> you have to industrialise -> to industrialise -> mass urbanisation -> to urbanise you have to leave your family home and mass levels of rural to urban migration -> causes greater productivity but equally greater atomisation and independence -> higher GDP but also higher depression). Everything has a trade-off. You cut of clan-system, people become loyal to the State against another out-group. Does the State always have its best interest? Why are so many in the West distrusting of their own government? Why are so many joining cults like MAGA or grouping with identity politics? Its that sense of loss in identity which was birthed from losing their family and extended family (which a clan essentially is, an aggregated extended family).

I agree with you but why is qabiil the answer? Why can we recreate something new that fulfils the purpose of family instead?

Islam is what that. It transcends all divisions and unites, establishes rules and harmonises where there would naturally be friction. Now if your asking why that hasn’t happened in post-colonial Somalia then you have to understand that the way the political system works in a modern state where power is a drug and corrupts the human, it rewards division. Siad Barre used state-societal conflict as a means to keep his power, a strategy used in countless societies. However our society is naturally built up Qabil so this was the way he did it, it was never personal. I’m Majeerteen, I always laugh when an Isaaq groups Darood together as having a malicious agenda during Kacaan govt given MSB targeted Majeerteen initially, but it isn’t personal, he was using what his colonial masters taught him: the classical divide-and-conquer strategy. Just take a look at how US is divided, across racial lines. Trump used dog-whistling and sometimes even overt rhetoric regarding race to divide-and-conquer (Make America Great Again signifying when whites held power and blacks were still disenfranchised). Its not personal, his using it for political gain. Is it then a practical solution to suggest trying to wipe out race and force everyone to no longer see race in order to “progress”? Yes that is ideal given race is a social construct *however* I’d love someone to walk me through the practicalities of that - so race is engrained and the bedrock of US society whether they like it or not, it is impossible to circumvent it. If that logic makes sense from a US societal perspective, then why cannot Somalis understand it from a Qabil perspective?

A whole lot of bullshit. Qabiil provides nothing anymore back then it did. Women of majority and minority clans still feel prejudiced despite the lineage they come from. Minority clans, outcasted clans and bantus feel alienated. People are always degrading and fighting on the sacred land Allah gave us instead of cultivating and restoring the land. What has qabiil done except divide ppl?

You're right, qabil is a wonderful thing. That's why Somalia is a highly-developed, first world nation right now and not a poor, backward state locked in perpetual political deadlocks due to competing qabil interests.

Why does the UK, the sixth largest economy, have a ministry called [Ministry of Loneliness](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/loneliness-minister-its-more-important-than-ever-to-take-action)? Why does USA, the largest economy in the world, have a [prevalence of depression](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3330161/) and [extraordinary prozac](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624) intake? Why does Japan, the third largest economy, have an [disturbingly high suicide rate](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33362387)? Why have Chinese, despite the greatest economic transformation ever witnessed from mass poverty to mass consumerism, have a sense of identity loss, rise in isolation and mental health crisis - surely [modern China](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-10-15/Consuming-away-loneliness-in-modern-China-KOGqPakekg/index.html) was supposed to create this urbanised utopia where happiness is at its apex? I can go on and on my friend. The West is slowly realising what to prioritise and in case you haven’t figured it out it isn’t worshiping the growth of the economy.

I concur. What these prosperous, industrialised states need to do is segment their societies into clan groups, and myopically fight one another for resources and prestige in a zero-sum game ad infinitum. That will really reduce the rates of suicide and depression. Fucking moron.

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Your post history is weird. You've gone to the subreddit Ethiopia and claimed to be Ethiopian. Eritrean and similarly said you're of them. And now here 👀

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It's a troll, he's gone

Two Darod Harti, one Hawiye Murusade and one Isaaq Habaryunis

I have an idea the moderators should be divided similar to 4.5 without the 0.5 🤣🤣🤣

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Freedom of speech to hate on other fellow Muslims? Hope u heal

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Read my post it’s about insulting and mocking others then u come here and say “freedom of speech”

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Insulting someones lineage and being against Qabyaalad is two completely different things