Haplogroup T is almost exclusively Dir and Garhajis. Every other clan is pre-dominantly E-V32 including Isaaq clans like Habar Awal and Habar Jeclo. I don’t know how they got it though

Habar Jeclo are 99% T too walaal, most of the results I have seen were T, only a few from Maxamed Abokor that have assimilated. Habar Awal itself is around 30% T as most of the Ciise Muuse are T. It's complicated.

Only the Dir have T Haplagroup like samaroon & ciise & biimaal & garre and many more have the T Haplagroup

Not all Garre have T, as it is only Quranyow who are Dir. Biyomaal aren’t T either

All Dir have the T Haplagroup but most issaq have E1b1b, and the reason why som issaq have T Haplagroup is because they live with Dir people

Lol, most* Isaaq have T. Garxajis are nearly exclusively haplogroup T, Habar Jeclo in its entirety is mostly haplogroup T (85-90% which will obviously fluctuate as they’re a confederation). The only sub-clan left is the outlier Habar Awal and it’s specifically Saad Muuse that mainly get E1b1b, Ciise Muuse get mixed results.

How do you know quranyow are T haplogroup?

No, the majority of habit jeclo have E1b1b

Nope. I can pull up 10+ of T ones while you won’t be able to find 2 E1b1b ones

Exactly like I'd like to see some theories as to how they got it because it is interesting.

I’m guessing they got it from Natufians who migrated to the horn of Africa

So dir and garxaajis are Natufians. Let's send them to the levant then 🤣🤣

40% of the entire Somali genome comes from the Natufians. I think we all should go back there then

I was joking laakin then yes why not, bilad Ash sham here we go😎

Are u t-l208 ?

I haven't taken the DNA test

Are u habaryonis,

Perhaps😎

Is this true?? I thought prehistoric Somalis emigrated from Egypt, didn’t realise we were Natufians

Yes we also come from Egypt. The Natufians migrated to Egypt & then down the Nile into the Horn of Africa. While they were migrating they mixed with Nilotic women after killing the men and that is where 55% of the Somali genome comes from. The rest are the Iberomaurisians who come from North West Africa. 40% Natufian, 55% Nilote & 5% Iberomaurisian. But we are paternally Natufian so we have middle eastern haplogroups.

I’ve been searching for an answer to the Cushitic homeland question for so long and you might have finally answered it for me. This answer makes so much sense, especially when you consider how cool and grassy the Sahara was five thousand + years ago which would have made it ideal for nomadic pastoralists until it dried up which would explain a migration to the Horn of Africa. Crazy that our apti were technically right when they claimed our forefathers came from the Middle East. Now my main question is how on earth did we get Iberomaurisian DNA? I assume it is due to E-M215 being found in mainly Moroccans and Somalis. Also, how does Yemen factor into this? Please tell me more facts about Somali DNA, we are truly such a unique and storied people.

I don’t really know how we have moroccan ancestry but I’m guessing the natufians who migrated to NW Africa went back to Egypt & then down the nile towards the HOA You are right, what is now known as the Sahara Desert wasn't a desert a mere 5000-6000 years ago, but a grassland, well suited for pastoralism. Rock art in the region depicted things that cannot live in a desert. Giraffes, hippos, crocodiles, fish and turtles. There were lakes and rivers during that time as well. Due to planetary movements, the Sahara went through desertification. As nomadic pastoralists, what would be the logical thing to do when the grazing land is diminishing? You'd leave the region for better grasslands. Which is why they migrated south wards probably following the rains around. This is how they got in contact with the neolothic nilotes (who didn’t look like the nilotes of today). And here is where 55% of our genome comes from as they probably had to battle the nilotic men for the fertile lands in eastern Ethiopia/western Sudan. Somalis originally hail from the Levant.

I wonder what the Neolithic Nilotes looked like. I assume they had dark skin and curly 4C hair at least.

It’s specifically Saad Muuse of the Habar Awal that are predominantly E-V32, though I have seen a few of them get T. Ciise Muuse get mixed results. Habar Jeclo also get mixed results but they are mostly haplogroup T (roughly 90%) from what I’ve seen.

Are u t-l208 ?

I’ve never done a dna test

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Dir are T

💯 Dudes out here waste money to find out their just Somali 😂

What is your sub? Some subs don't have T while some are full T.

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Biimaal don’t have T, the only ones I have seen are E-V32.

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Proof?

Aren’t isaaq dir too?

Politically yes but they iz Banu Hashim🤣☝️

Don’t let the landers get to you💀

[I'd assume it has something to do with the spread of early Iran-like ancestry in the horn](https://imgur.com/a/DqZQUDZ)

T is also found in high concentrations in Chad within the **Toubou** peoples, I'm leaning toward the Egyptian route more so than the sea crossing.

It comes from Saudi Arabia, specifically around Asir region some 2k years ago. There's an Arab subclan that shares the same subclade as Dir/Garxajis till living there.

So Dir are proto arabs

Kind of. The Saudis were shegaatos themselves, getting their subclade from Mesopotamian & Iranian source. The original haplogroup for Arabs is J1 only. TLDR: our paternal ancestors were Babylonians not Arabs

Ahh that makes a lot of sense

Glad I could help fam

What arab subclan is that. The Bani Malik?

Yeah it was bani Malik in Kuwait & one more Arab tribe in Saudi Arabia lakiin I forgot their name my bad 💀

No dw, you have been more than helpful. Eid Mubarak walaal, Taqabbal Allahu minnaa wa minka

Most Somali people around 80% carry the E haplogroup. T haplogroup though has no links to Arabia/Banu Hashim. In fact, it emerged in Northern Somalia way before the existence of an Arab ethnicity

That’s not true. Scholars believe T-l208 is not native to Somalia. It came from the Middle East, most likely the Levant/Mesopotamia region.

Never said it was native

Yes somehow t haplogroup is from Mesopotamia and came to africa by yemen and egypt

But most sources I have seen say it is western Asian origin. Does that make the isaaq and Dir's ancestors proto arabs?

It supposedly originated in the Levent not Arabia, but that doesn’t mean anything since it’s an ancient migration. Haplogroup E also has a foreign origin supposedly. So it doesn’t mean anything, just tells you ancient migration routes

True but I saw that the Dir & garxaajis have the same haplogroup as some qabil called the Bani Malik. But yh you are right though, thanks for clarifying

That's interesting, is it the same exact haplogroup or just T in general?

See I need to check if they belong to the same subclade of the T haplogroup. That is such an interesting question.

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See I think it probably was proto arabs e.g. Sabaens