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FunParsley6706

Roof Korean lifestyle


ShlomoIbnGabirol

“But the businesses are insured and they just rebuild overnight.” Herp derp


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thirdeyelndslide

Yup. Time for rooftop Koreans to make a comeback.


No_Organization5188

Time to dust off that K2 Yon Kim.


Optimallybored

And make sure there is automatic and universal protection from civil suits if the defense was deemed lawful. Gotta close that gap where it still exists.


55tinker

I consider our prohibition on use of force to defend property to be a severe deficiency in American law. What if I use that property as part of my livelihood? What if that property represents hundreds of hours of my labor, of my lifetime on this planet? Why does the thief's wellbeing so outweigh my own right to my own property that I am literally required to sit on my hands and watch them take from me? Want to do something about the rampant theft problem? *Make it legal to shoot people who steal*. I'm not deciding your life is worth less than my property, *you're* deciding your life is worth less than my property when you try to steal it. I have no problem with this whatsoever. Shoot people who steal and the stealing will stop. Coddle people who steal, protect them more than their victims, and they will steal more.


NokkMainer

My boy or girl, you just spoke my mind get some rest you deserve it.


xsithenecromancer

Should we also shoot people who steal food? 🤔


Tree2woN

In America there are social safety nets where you can get food if you don't have access to it.


No_Organization5188

Don’t have to worry about that, they rarely if ever do.


marxistweebist

psychopath moment


Tree2woN

I'm just sayin, it would be nice if people followed the rules. Call me an authoritarian, I don't care. I fucking hate it when people break the law, then cry about how they're victims. This is America. If you can't make it here, you probably weren't going to make it anywhere.


marxistweebist

damn maybe silencing conservatives is a good idea after all lmfao.


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So he’s the authoritarian then, gotcha.


Arizth

Username, at the very least, checks out.


Moumou_moon

The problem with this is, if the Government is the one in control of this rule, they'll utilize the nebulous nature of the word "rioting" to remove any protestors welfare that they politically disagree with, even if the protest is Actually completely peaceful. Giving them the power to financially cripple any protestor on benefits who steps out of line of the status quo.


Optimallybored

You're right. This is indeed a caveat.


RhysPrime

Really the answer is just to put tge onus for defending life and property back on individuals rather than cede them to a state that does nothing to help them.


Pineapple_Spenstar

Also providing for ones needs should be the responsibility of the individual


handle_squatter

Indeed. Keep a camera running in your store 24/7. You shoot someone obviously intent on stealing your property, just hand the cops the tape and sit back while they mop up the mess. Maybe even a sign at the door that says "looters shot on sight" or something along those lines for liability purposes. Fuck around and find out if the clerk is bluffing. Free country and all that.


RhysPrime

Sounds good.


ZiggyPox

No surprise when the consequences are far worse than the actual crime. Rather than 'take welfare for life from the crowd' take the amount for which actual damage was done (plus some more) (from group or from individuals if you can pinpoint individuals). This way people will self control each other as there is joint responsibility. You know how they are able months after the capitol intrusion (riot?) to find and arrest people that take part in it, yes? I think if they wanted they could find who they need to find in any other case. Also if you take all welfare from someone you already removed any control you had over that person and you know what they say about people that have nothing (they have nothing to lose).


galkatokk

Welfare is not a right. It should be a grant generously given by taxpayers on the basis of a social contract. If you violate that contract, you forfeit the grant. If you ask me though welfare should be entirely abolished but that's a separate issue.


ZiggyPox

Welfare in the first place is meant to keep people under control in similar way laws are (sometimes it is to offset some effects of stupid legislations but that's separate issue). As you should not end every crime with execution that ending every act of disobedience with removal from the grant system.


galkatokk

Which is why I believe welfare should be abolished altogether, there is no way for welfare to be done "correctly" without necessarily gaining control over the dependents at the expense of everyone else.


ZiggyPox

Do you include in that abolishment sick pensions for the victims of rare illness, accidents or attacks?


galkatokk

Absolutely all of it. If I know someone who needs help and I want to help, I can do that. I cannot ask that the government takes money from everyone to help that person. There is no angle you can come at this from that makes that action justified. Voting for it isn't an excuse either. I DO NOT have the right to take money from A and B to help C no matter how good I think the cause is and no matter how many people think I should be able to take money from A and B to give to C. If you can't do something privately, if it's immoral for you to do something, then it's immoral for the government to do it too, even if you vote for it.


handle_squatter

Every "system" involving people runs on incentives. People work because they get paid to deal with the non-fun parts of their job (all of their job in most cases lol). You pay people more to sit on their ass, they'll sit on their ass. You pay people more to shit out more kids they obviously aren't capable of raising, they'll go do that and will treat the father like shit (because more money if he's not in the picture). I get the CONCEPT of helping people when they are down, but when you pretend human incentives aren't part of the equation (eg. policies that depend on everyone doing the "right" thing out of the goodness of their hearts), it will inevitably fail or at least produce undesirable results.


explain-why-im-wrong

The solution it to remove government welfare programs entirely, that way it removes the power from the government and also these people won’t have time or energy to riot because they’ll need to get a job.


Dismal-Knowledge-906

The better solution would be to just abolish welfare entirely. It would free up a lot of money that the government could then use to fund mental healthcare, which would allow people to get free of their drug addictions and get back into gainful employment. At the very least, we have to stop giving free money to single mothers (as this was one of the things that fucked the black community).


marxistweebist

yeah i hate poor working class people too.


galkatokk

You don't like poor working class people, you like to seem as though you are helping poor working class people, and for that to happen, there have to be poor working class people. Welfare produces poor working class people, it does not help them. Anytime you financially subsidize something, you create more of that thing.


AdmrHalsey

That’s incorrect. We just need one more program and the system will finally work and we will eliminate poverty.


marxistweebist

just bc the current welfare system is corrupt doesn't mean we should get rid of it entirely lmao. people need help. ik empathy is a foreign concept to libertarians and conservatives but its p neat.


galkatokk

You think I lack empathy, I think you lack reading comprehension. What part of what I said makes you think I don't care about the problem? I'm clearly AGAINST making the problem WORSE by effectively PAYING PEOPLE TO STAY POOR. Welfare exacerbates poverty. This is not up for debate. It's a fact. I'm not going to waste any time explaining basic, well established and understood economics to you.


JMiracle2019

Dude, read the room.


handle_squatter

> At the very least, we have to stop giving free money to single mothers (as this was one of the things that fucked the black community). Oddly enough, one of BLM's top priorities was attacking the nuclear family unit. I guess if black folks are raised in two-parent households, they are far more likely to end off better than where they started, and what would that do to the BLM recruitment/donations?


BoogersAndSugar

Just gotta word the law more specifically, to leave less wiggle room. Instead of saying "rioting", say "damages property or injures another person" or something similar.


JMiracle2019

Oooh that could actually work


55tinker

That would require police to give enough of a shit to arrest, and DAs to give enough of a shit to prosecute. And then in practice it will exclusively be used against white people who demonstrate peacefully against authoritarian government policies.


JMiracle2019

Yup. To a t.


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We should make a law where we put them in jail.


Bluntly-20

I'd rather have a law that allows a business owner to defend their business from looters by lethal means without the risk of being arrested.


ChodeSlaper23

How about we just abolish welfare


don_tiburcio

One of the biggest targets of looting is immigrant or non-black minority-owned businesses. But the left will never acknowledge it because we saw what they didn’t with #stopasianhate


GeneralCheeseyDick

I like that idea


woaily

Yeah, if only we could make some kind of law that would punish people for breaking and stealing other people's stuff


JMiracle2019

Which would be great if everyone who breaks that law were actually punished for it. But we all know they're not. Not if they're furthering the left's agenda while breaking the law. No, then they're "peaceful protesters" and "victims of police violence" if God forbid a cop actually tries to stop them. Ugh. I'm *SO* tired of this crap.


woaily

I agree that it's a problem, but adding new laws when people aren't enforcing the old ones isn't going to change anything.


JMiracle2019

Oh, they'd be more than happy to enforce that one, just not for anyone that agrees with them. They get a free pass, while those that stand up to them would be targeted with that law in every way possible.


floridachess

This is my exact idea for socialized healthcare, if you do things willingly that are bad for your health like drugs and smoking you lose your benefits, if we are forced into that BS I don't want to pay for peoples bad decisions


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RifledShotty

Only death will solve crime


bigtimechip

The fuck is this boomer facebook post doing here?


vcxz9876

dont do this, this will make america less funny to non americans


RifledShotty

Cry about it, criminals shouldn’t get shit. Hang the fuckers


vcxz9876

aw cmon just let criminals run rampant(in america) so non americans can laugh at them. i mean look at their news: many protest bcuz some teen DEFENDING a small business, i kinda hope it gets funnier


maddsloth

imagine reopening only to know all the punks shoplifting from you are the same ones that destroyed your business.


ToucanPlayAtThatGame

I'd prefer a justice system with a consistent set of laws and rules over one that dunks on certain hot button crimes in weird political ways. Rioting and looting should have the same penalties as any other crime, fines or jail time for minor infractions and prison for serious offenses. This is an /r/politics level 50 IQ take.


Marssonde

Riots in itself are not a bad thing and are part of free speech , but removing benefits for crimes i can get behind


thirdeyelndslide

Protests are part of free speech. Riots are not. There's a difference.


his_purple_majesty

>the right of the people **peaceably** to assemble i'm sure your propaganda scientists are hard at work trying to redefine that word but until then, no they're not


Silicon_Tetraazide

>Riots in itself are not a bad thing and are part of free speech , but removing benefits for crimes i can get behind What are your thoughts on January 6, then?


TheQueenofMean89

You know their looting because the welfare benefits in America are trash right? You aren't guaranteed a home. Or Healthcare. Or a decent paying job. If u want the looting to stop, maybe we need universal basic income that included access to housing. Then maybe there won't be violence and looting. We know thats not gonna happen until the whole country burns and they learn their lesson.


JMiracle2019

Who's "they"?


TheQueenofMean89

The people in charge. Not the politicians they are puppets. You know once America's own version of the French revolution happen. I'm just gonna enjoy the show as rich assholes and their loyal followers get gulliotined. 🍿🍿🍿


JMiracle2019

You mean like Biden, Sanders and the like?


TheQueenofMean89

No more Elon musk, mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff bezos. Nice try lol. You know politicians don't run this country. The owners do, they own us.


JMiracle2019

Actually, that's accurate. Way to be willing to see at least that truth.


TheQueenofMean89

No frickin duh. Thats why they have teams of people sowing discord all over the internet. So everyone can hate each other and not see the bigger picture. WE ARE ALL SLAVES. SOME PEOPLE ARE HOUSE SLAVES, you're still getting raped tho. Even if your job is white collar. You don't work you are destitute. That's why these rich assholes don't want a good welfare program. They want people desperate to accept their shitty jobs. To force you to conform. Because if we did have guaranteed housing, food, and Healthcare. No one would apply for those crappy jobs that pay people crap and treat people like crap. If you have to work and still that isn't enough to buy your own home and take care of your kids, then you don't live in a free country. I don't feel free having to work doing things I don't wanna do, so some rich fucker can get another yacht. I seriously can't wait when people have nothing to lose. They will be going into rich people gated communities and attacking them directly. Once the people unite, watch what happens. 🍿🍿🍿