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effie-sue

FWIW I DO NOT think the revisionist history family portrait is hahaha. I think it is deeply disturbing. I don’t think I’m alone in this thought. This post is REALLY interesting BTW


basylica

That portrait thing was some serial killer vibes


lovemoonsaults

Single White Female is what I was thinking!


basylica

Def has “crazy ex girlfriend” show energy!


Double_Analyst3234

The photo of something that never was a HUGE red flag to me. (using the Kody from Christines fam portrait?) I would have made a big fill out of that.


Luna-Mia

It’s something you would see in a Lifetime movie. Very disturbing!


effie-sue

RIGHT?!?! Or a 90s Spelling nighttime soap 😆


Mom_wife_life

Wow I think you may be onto something here. Kody really did come off as considerate and loving towards all of the wives in the beginning. I don’t think that was all just for show, I think he was happier and was really loving life for the most part. To add to your list, I’d like to point out that Robyn controlled the timing of her pregnancy with Sol. Kody mentioned “I’m like man, here I am spending all of this time to prove to her that I’m capable of having more kids”, and Robyn’s like “it wasn’t that you weren’t capable, just more a question of your capacity - can you DO more?”. That struck me as forcing Kody to shower her and her kids with lots of focused attention in order for her to agree to a baby. Like what? Kody has 3 other wives and x amount of kids, he doesn’t need to jump through all of these hoops, you need to accept that he has other responsibilities. From day 1, she is constantly making Kody jump through hoops for her and he had no choice but to neglect his other wives/kids in order to meet her standards. We can see a repeat of this behavior with the Covid protocols. I believe this is why Kody is so angry, and doesn’t even realize it.


FarrahVSenglish

Oooh you’re right! And before she had ari she told him that the only way she could have another child is if the others started doing more with my sister wives closet. You know, because she can’t possibly have another child when working part time and having a live in nanny.


Worried_Ad_5411

I just did a rewatch and Grody forced them to agree to MSWC, the first meeting no one was interested. She tried her hardest a bunch of times to force Janelle and Christine to be part of it, yet they are working other jobs—we know she doesn’t and in bed till at least noon.


bullymamaga

Robyn didn’t want coworkers in MSWC …. She wanted employees!


Worried_Ad_5411

Everyone else has other jobs! She was all excited the family business and everyone should be involved. But everyone but her and Grody (occasionally worked) weren’t working and she’s the only one with a nanny! Truely wasn’t that much older.


FarrahVSenglish

She begged, demanded, pushed, did all she could to make them all work for MSWC when they clearly didn’t fucking want to and knew letting Robyn run a business was a recipe for disaster.


Mrsbear19

She’s legit not smart at all. Imagine trusting that with your family’s financial future


FarrahVSenglish

I wouldn’t trust her to be the banker in a game of monopoly.


Most-Ad-9465

I call it monogamist expectations. Her expectations for their relationship and Kody's relationship with their kids seem reasonable on the surface because they're what you would expect in any monogamist relationship. Her expectations are absolutely ridiculous for a polygamous family.


Historical-Mud-948

I don't know. I'm in a monogamous relationship and I would never expect my spouse to 100% support me, buy me a $900k home, get me a nanny for a 10 and 6 year old, allow my teen kids to remain in the house while encouraging him to kick out other teens from former wive's houses. I also wouldn't control his language the way she does, both overtly correcting him and clearly influencing how he expresses himself. Kody's really had her talking points drilled into him: I can't be away from the young kids, Christine is mean to Robyn and her kids, Janelle and C are in a 'clique', Meri can't come over even though she's been following the protoculs, etc.


Most-Ad-9465

Many many monogamist are in single income households. That's really not very unusual. Many of them also own nice homes and have nannies, housekeepers, and other forms of help. What makes all that selfish and ridiculous is that they are in a plural marriage. It's not just kody supporting her. She's expecting sister wives to support her as well. My main point was from the beginning Robyn has expected Kody to act like he's in a monogamous relationship with her. She has expectations for his time that selfishly disregards the fact that he has 3 other wives and their children that need him. Despite her acting like she's the be all end all expert on polygamy Robyn is monogamous and always has been. Edited to clarify: when I said her expectations seem reasonable on the surface I'm referring to how she manages to manipulate kody into agreeing to fulfilling them. Kody is a convert. He was raised in a culture where it's not unreasonable for a wife to expect her husband to tuck the children in every night, see her everyday, and be an involved father every single day. I do think a man that was raised in polygamy would have told Robyn sorry that's not how this works. Your expectations are unreasonable because your not my only responsibility.


Historical-Mud-948

It's beyond just the single income thing , though. She's extremely controlling of his location, his language, she feeds him lies to make him angry at people she doesn't like, she doesn't let her kids out of her sight, she manipulates Meri. She's no regular monogamist. There's something else going on here.


Most-Ad-9465

I think you have misunderstood my comments as excusing Robyn as just a regular monogamist woman. That wasn't my intent at all. The original comment I replied to mentioned the amount of time and attention Robyn expected kody to give her children. That's what I was commenting on saying Robyn has monogamous expectations. I fully agree Robyn is a highly manipulative person. She manipulates Kody into meeting her demands. Joining a polygamist family and expecting your new husband to treat you and your children like y'all are in a monogamous marriage is next level selfish. She's completely self centered. Robyn wants a plural marriage that operates as a monogamous marriage between her and Kody while the other wives, especially Meri, stick around and support her monogamous marriage. Clearly she's a covert narcissist or some similar kind of mental disorder.


Mrsbear19

She’s unhinged at best, dangerous honestly


Mrsbear19

True!


Galapagos-mower

I feel like Christine leaving really shook him up, mostly because on some level (deep, deep into that subconscious of his) he's realizing how far removed he is now from his old personality. There was a time that he was kinda like Christine in his energy and excitement towards family and family events. I think some part of him knows how much his relationship with Robyn has changed his personality, but he's too stubborn to admit it. Plus, Robyn talks a good game...she says one thing and does another. I don't think someone as naive as Kody can spot that. She talks a good game, and he fails to see that she doesn't back ANY of it up. He's basically her puppet now and I think he deep down knows it, but is too stubborn and "macho" to admit it even to himself.


Historical-Mud-948

>There was a time that he was kinda like Christine in his energy and excitement towards family and family events. I think some part of him knows how much his relationship with Robyn has changed his personality, but he's too stubborn to admit it. DEAD ON


Galapagos-mower

By the way OP- I really enjoyed reading your analysis on this subject. It's the sort of content I come here for and it was impeccably written. Please post more thoughts/breakdowns like this! 🙌 🙌


Historical-Mud-948

Aw thanks! That means a lot. I'm a professional writer/editor so i better have my shit together. 🤪


narcmeter

Nah. My opinion (having an ex father like Kody) He’s copy paste narcissist who swaps new life for old at middle age. He just has polygamy as a cover. Kody is simply a basic aging narcissist, who found his perfect (in hell) npd/bpd match. They all rewrite history “from day one.”


Nottacod

Like I said on another post-robyn has fishwife vibes-like from the old fairy tale the fisherman's wife. She keeps asking for more and will never be satisfied. Hope it ends the same way for her.


JerseyGirl123456

I believe Kody had a pretty good relationship with his first 3 wives and his children up until the point when Robyn came. In fact, all 3 wives said many times that Kody was a great father to their kids when they were younger (as in before Robyn came into the picture).


ClearlyDemented

I love that you’re making me look people up here.


Historical-Mud-948

Patty Hearst? I'm old, it's okay.


SheMcG

I remember Patty Hearst. You're not alone! Lol


ClearlyDemented

I knew that once I realized the -ian was not part of the name. Gypsy Rose Blanchard was new to me though.


Historical-Mud-948

If you're into True Crime, I'm officially jealous. Go watch Mommy Dead and Dearest IM-MEETS


Accomplished_Note657

“Mesmeric influence” does accurately depict how he behaves around her, I’ve struggled to understand how someone who seems very freedom loving allows himself to be told what words he can and can’t say. I do think Thought Police has spoilt the more childish elements of his personality which has helped fuel his demise, I can imagine that without her he would be much closer and less adversarial with the older kids but would still be increasingly conservative with age. Both Janelle and Christine have called out that he isn’t the person they married, which I would hazard that the change is closer to a personality transplant than someone just getting a bit rancid with age.


ModeEnvironmental481

Kody has not had a personality transplant. He has always been a narcissist. The thing is, when everything was hunky Dorry and he had 4 wives not just pining for him but WORSHIPPING him along with MANY small children who are basically emotional Labrador Retrievers it is much easier for him to keep up with the charisma and charm. He’s being validated constantly and he is living off that high. Yes Robyn came in and began messing with how everyone interacted with Kody and in tandem the rest of the family and she has many, many, many manipulative and co dependent traits but she’s not the sole reason for Kody’s toxic behavior. For Kody it’s always been there he just was living in a perfectly set climate so as to not set off the storm.


Heartbear134

When they go to visit his high school friends they really rip into him and say how showboaty/center of attention/flamboyant he was even then. They did not hold back lol. He’s always been this way.


mplabs14

Agreed, he was awful before Robyn entered the picture, it just wasn’t filmed for the world to dissect. Robyn coming into the family was just the final ingredient to this shit salad. I think Kody simply doesn’t like or want polygamy anymore and all the emotional work that comes with maintaining and supporting 4 relationships/families. In the more recent seasons and episodes of SW he mentions several times of being tired and how polygamy is so hard. I think what he really means, but can’t recognize or articulate, is that polygamy isn’t a good thing and didn’t “multiply” his love but rather spread it too thin, but he can’t admit fault in ANYTHING he does, so he just slogs on discarding those he doesn’t want to put emotional energy into anymore. Christine leaving further puts a spotlight on that and he is jealous that she doesn’t have to do it anymore. While I think he would love to just live a monogamous life in a nice house, admitting it would be admitting he made a mistake in his life choices and his narcissism won’t let him do that.


Historical-Mud-948

I don't know. Think about the early couch sessions. He used to take a lot more accountability. He hasn't done that for years, now.


ModeEnvironmental481

It’s easier to take accountability when he has 4 women who are willing to excuse him and insist on taking the blame. Look at how they all acted in the beginning. Kody was a hero who could do no wrong. It’s why Christine struggled so much with his relationship with Robyn even in the beginning-because she didn’t know how to reconcile her feelings of being wronged (rightly so) with someone who could do no wrong.


Least-Fill-7277

Don't forget, when Hunter joined the military, she was angrily against it. She even slipped and said she took and hid the neccessary papers for her brother to join the military -- numerous times before he finally joined -- and she wanted to do the same to Hunter. The looks Janelle gave in that confessional were death-provoking.


LP7799

I bet her ex was the one that was abused and he needed to get out of the relationship. His drinking could have been a result of her abuse. He signed over custody becuase he was afraid of the wrath of Robyn. I felt bad for the kids at that time becuase they probably were crying as they were upset about him giving up on them, but they are also afraid of Robyn, so.......


Destination2021

100%. He has completely changed . Including how he looks at all the other wives which most likely comes from Robyn crying about them being mean to her.


Dry_Carpenter_416

thank you for stating this. I have been thinking this from the beginning. I believe Kody had Narc tendencies but Robyn is a sociopath and has been controlling this guy from day 1. The hiding relationship for the other wives The kiss (possibly more) The wedding dress The photo Showing up late to Logan’s graduation The interruption and correction of words Kody uses. The time when Janelle and Kody discussed their kids growing up and how sad it was. Robyn interrupts and says Kody, you said the other day how you were looking forward to the younger kids now. Completely erasing his feeling and inserting new feelings.


metastatic_mindy

The fact the other wives have stated that robyn "knows how to talk to kody" in a way that even they couldn't even though they had already been married to him for more than a decade. They even said that they would have robyn talk to him for them when they would have issues .


Historical-Mud-948

>Completely erasing his feeling and inserting new feelings. YES. That's a perfect summation. And I agree - they have all said that Robyn is the only one who can 'get through to Kody'.


ninja_llama

The erasing his feelings is a great catch. Very telling.


Mediocre-Amoeba-3877

Kody has always been narcissistic, it just wasn’t as in your face before because he had adoring wives who “kept sweet”. It’s when the mask is removed that the narcissistic side becomes more obvious.


Historical-Mud-948

That's fair. And I think a lot of the change in personality can be attributed to him not being able to relate to older kids as well as younger/more obedient ones. He is for sure emotionally stunted and self-centered and insecure. His controlling, hyper narcissism seems fueled by Robyn's submissive wifey act. BUT, in the early seasons I maintain that he seemed more committed to being fair among his wives and being worried that he wasn't bonding with his daughters. Like can you imagine him doing that daddy daughter trip NOW? He was an overwhelmed, incompetent, useless doofus back then. But now he's a sinister "fuck everyone but Robyn" Terminator.


mplabs14

But was he actually more fair to the wives? The show didn’t exist before he met Robyn and I think it’s safe to assume that they all tried to put their best foot forward being in reality tv. I think he is just old and tired now to try to hide it anymore. In their book, it’s clear they had a lot of issues before Robyn entered the picture. I feel like even if Robyn never joined the family, they would likely be in a similar situation that they are in now.


Historical-Mud-948

I think they had a lot of jealousy and personality struggles for sure. But I remember Kody at least appearing to take some responsibility for it and taking the wives on dates, going to therapy with them. All of that is GONE now. Ooh that reminds me - remember Robyn being 'too sick' to do therapy that day? I bet she wanted no part of listening to someone else teach Kody how to be a better husband to the rest of them.


captain_backfire_

Idk. I don’t know that the wives kept sweet. We have heard many stories of Meri and Janelle not getting along, Janelle refusing to move with Kody for months (she even separated for a little while I think), and Christine has always been vulnerable in how she feels. Although there was toxicity, I think they did ultimately work together as they were raising kids together. Robyn comes in waaaaay after the fact and completely changes the status quo instead of working in to the system they already created.


SaltyEsty

No, Robyn is just super needy as fk and friggin afraid of everything and of losing everyone. She is afraid of being away from Kody, her kids, her house. She was afraid of having Meri's attention diverted from MSWC so she talked her out of school. She is afraid to let her adult kids out of her house. She is afraid of allowing the adult kids to help care for the younger kids. Her fear was behind all the Covid rules that pushed everyone away. She was afraid of losing the family culture; although, her own fears and controlling behavior actually ruined it. She never stops being worried, and she was successful at pulling Kody into her vortex of neediness and fear, merely because she seems so vulnerable and Kody can't help but wanting to "protect" her. She's not a Svengali. She is majorly codependent and it affects/ infects all of her relationships. She does not feel empowered, so she just manipulates everyone around her so she can feel more "secure".


Historical-Mud-948

I really don't see it as fear, I see it as a lever to play victim and control him and distance the other families. Even if some of it's based in fear, it still could be used to control him. Fear also doesn't explain the revisionist history, her correcting his language, etc.


captain_backfire_

I made a similar comment recently. Kody has always been described as someone who likes the center of attention and has an ego, but man, the personality change has been crazy to watch. I truly think he is a victim of Robyn’s narcissism because of his disposition. He was the perfect victim for love bombing and manipulation. Research says being around a narcissist can lead someone to mirroring some of their traits, and I think that’s exactly what happened here.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Sadly, the staying up very late and sleeping during the day is a religious fundamentalist trait. Everything else tracks! I love the thought of how angry it would make Kody to think everyone knows he has no control and has been played.


Heartbear134

Yep. See the Duggars and the Bates and all those big families. It’s just because they don’t ever enforce a routine. Everyone’s always overwhelmed, and the dad typically doesn’t do enough to help ease that. In the D + B type families it’s a lot of parentification of the older kids, who have to do their own schoolwork/chores and THEN help their younger siblings as well.


Historical-Mud-948

OOoh is it? Why is it? That's freaky. Isn't it all early to bed, early to rise holy pious shit? Interesting...


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Makes it easier to indoctrinate someone? I have no idea. I see it come up a lot in the r/fundiesnarkuncensored


FarrahVSenglish

Sleep deprivation would definitely do that


SumLuganette

When you don’t have to get up and go to work at a set hour - most Fundy’s work for themselves and other fundy’s - it’s easier than it sounds (Duggars come to mind)


fastIamnot

I remember the Duggars said they do this too. Interesting.


Yourbasicredditor

Katie Holmes was trying to escape Scientology which is a cult of at least a dozen or so.


Historical-Mud-948

Yeah I know, totally. Scientology scares the fuck out of me. But aside from the religion stuff, it's more about being married to Robyn, someone who has cult-leader, total control vibes. Again, everyone keeps saying "well I guess this is what he's like when he's really in love." But I don't know. He definitely seemed in love with Meri early seasons and he still tried to be kind to everyone. Now he's a massive angry asshole by all their accounts (even Robyn's) and it might be a tell that he's not just lalalal in love with Robyn but rather, controlled and unhappy.


Twinsandtriplets

Ooohhh I have a scientology story for you!! I used to live in LA and knew people. It is crazy.


two_guys_named_nick

I'm here for some good scientology tea..


justpassingthruz

Same!


Twinsandtriplets

Its not that juicy, I probably talked it up too much. Okay. When we lived in LA, a very Scientology-y celebrity-ish couple had a kid on the same baseball team as my child. Our kids really clicked and we ended up frequenting their home a lot. Their kids were homeschooled and they needed friends. Truly, these were the nicest, kindest, most generous people. I loved being at their house and hanging out with them. Extremely hospitable and down to earth. I didn’t know how deep into Scientology they were until I started doing a little research later on. The friendship was relatively short lived because they were moving to Canada to film a tv show when baseball ended in June and I was getting married in June, we didn’t know each other long enough to keep in close contact. ANYWAY, there was one time I remember specifically we were sitting in their living-room having a conversation and I was telling them about my crazy sister, just basic sharing about my life, very normal conversation. They cut me off so fast my head spun. Just very abruptly and with this creepy, loud, authoritative, totally bizarre tone/way. It was so socially strange. I didn’t know what to say afterwards and it was awkward to be cut off like that in someone’s home. It stuck with me, it was really weird to be spoken to this way. I felt like a child being reprimanded. These people were so nice so it was really confusing. Well, through research I learned this is what they do, in Scientology you’re not allowed to speak about any kind of “drama” or negativity. And you are trained to shut down anyone who says anything negative. Anyway, they were the coolest people and I wish we could’ve stayed friends, but also being friends with people in a cult seemed like it would’ve been difficult to sustain.


BunnyRabbbit

Wow— that’s really fascinating! I’ve seen some documentaries about Scientology (specifically, how hard it is to leave)— but I’ve never heard that about cutting off all the drama/negativity in conversation.


Galapagos-mower

I agree. I even think all this talk about reclaiming the patriarchy in the family is Robyn whispering in his ear that the family is falling apart because he's been too lenient and submissive with everyone. And look, I don't like the implication of blaming the woman for a man's bad behavior. Robyn can only work with what is there...and I suspect somewhere in the back of his mind he's always been bitter about not being shown enough respect as the big bad man of the house(s). But the other wives at least worked together to keep his ego in check and you can see them do so in the earlier seasons. Robyn feeds his ego while filling his head with her words that she convinces him are his own. (He's at the point of even speaking like her now.) I think Kody at least recognized before that he had SOME responsibility to keep his wives/families happy. And then Robyn came along and fed his victim complex while programming him to do her will. And its not that Robyn is some super intelligent master manipulator. She just saw a good opportunity with a mind weaker than hef own. (And also 🐱 power...yeah I said it.)


Historical-Mud-948

He really does speak just like her now. The patriarchy bullshit, the constant use of "sitting there", talking about tender aged kids, etc. It's eerie!


Nottacod

Nailed it.


Suse-

Maybe he needs antidepressants. Pretty common as people get older.


sourpussmcgee

She’s the narcissist in the relationship.


FarrahVSenglish

I think there’s a lot of merit to this. Someone else mentioned in another thread that Robyn is the true narcissist and kody is just her flying monkey and it makes a lot of sense.


Twinsandtriplets

You’re selling me on this.


Mama2RO

She's a succubus.


New-Calligrapher7076

I think they feed off each other. Robyn is very dominant but is very clever about when and where as we’ve seen. But his language is very telling about her dominance. You can imagine how it’s fed his ability to act differently when you have a partner cheering you on “yes we do need equal time of I’m to be part of the family as I’ve only just met you and need to catch up…..they are selfish wives to you so cut them off….Merri was having an affair even if emotional so cut her off ….why should you sexually fool around with women who don’t respect you Kody, only I respect you Kody and your boys are challenging you……so kick them out…..you have no say Kody with them and they are rude to me what should we do and how are you going to deal with that as he’s dog household …..and on and on and on She’s dominant and she absolutely pushes Kodys buttons re his need to look like a man and head of his household


pattywog

Interesting post. Remember that Robin joined the family AFTER they got the TLC program. Reality shows attract the most crazy people in our world. People obsessed with fame and money. Would Robin have joined the family without the show? I think not.


severesurfstyle

I think not, also. Plus we know she HAD OTHER OFFERS! She made sure we all know, several times over.


Historical-Mud-948

Oh wow, I hadn't thought of this. She totally wanted to be adored on TV. Also, the weird murky story about why she left her ex and has basically wrote him out of her family narrative.


fastIamnot

I agree. There's something more going on with her than just being self-centered and wanting Kody for herself. She wants the wives to be under her control too. What better place to live out desire to exploit others than in a polygamist family? The OG kids know exactly who she is. They aren't stupid. That's why she hates them and turned Kody against them. Now she is PISSED that she lost Christine. She's not sad, she's not in mourning over losing a sister wife, she is red-hot angry that Christine dared to leave. It hurt her ego just as much as it hurt Kody's.


Ambitious-Sleep929

Wow yes I am completely on board with everything you said. I've been speculating this for awhile and you hit the nail on the head.


Yourbasicredditor

Might be a folie à deux situation.


Alarming_Bullfrog90

Completely agree with this assessment!


Historical-Mud-948

To be clear, I think Kody has always been a selfish ass and showed narcissistic tendencies. I'm not clearing him of accountability. I'm more talking about how, when you really inspect his relationship with Robyn, it seems more than her just being 'needy'. I think if we hadn't been watching this in slo-mo after all the years, we'd be comparing her to Keith Raniere from the Vow. She's methodically managed to isolate Kody and her children from the rest of the family, while selling Kody the myth that the other moms were rejecting THEM. Other examples of her propensity to selling the 'reality' she wants everyone else to agree to: * That creepy "family portrait" * The whole "I re-give my purity" to Kody preso * Acting like Christine never accepted her or her kids when in fact there's footage of Christine saying she was hurt R wouldn't let her watch her kids * The creepy infantilizing of her young kids so they are more reliant on her and more of a 'hook' for Kody Again, when you look at how it's all shaken out, she's achieved all her selfish goals. She's never worked, has a huge expensive house and Kody's utter devotion and loyalty. She really has everything she wants, when everyone else around her is sacrificing and jockeying for even basic needs being fulfilled. Including her own kids! Also oooh, good call on the above poster about getting pregnant again. She TOTALLY held that pregnancy hostage from Kody until he bent to her will. Also - if it was just them being 'so in love'....wouldn't Kody at least seem a bit happier? Even in the scenes with those two and Robyn's kids, Kody looks pained and forced happy. That recent "oh we don't say that word pest" exchange was SO telling. Go back and look at Kody's face when he says that. Same with any time she tells him how to talk/not talk to his other wives in a group setting. She's disturbingly calculating.


ninja_llama

I love this post so much and I really think you're into something. Covert narcissists like Robyn are sneaky and good at evading detection, but I feel like you've put together the bread crumbs here


Worried_Ad_5411

Gwen didn’t talk absolutely his behavior in the beginning, but she did say he acted when the camera was on and worse IRL!


Soobi609

YES! I’ve been saying this for a while but lately it’s extra apparent because whenever Christine brings up a very valid point he gets like confused.. like logic is clashing with what he’s been conditioned to believe. You can like see the confusion on his face. His outburst this past episode seemed so fake, like over the top. I 100% am on the side of ‘he’s doing this to appease Robin because if he doesn’t he’ll pay for it later at home’


Worthit02

I have felt the same way more so after the rewatch and seeing it all play out vs waiting when first aired type thing. Even the Covid stuff. I wonder too how much was follow TLC rules as in quarantining and all that to keep being paid but Robyn took it to even more level. I also feel she is the huge reason for the move to flagstaff.


Gramba24

I still can’t believe Snobyn convo about c and j spending thanksgiving with their kids instead of hers was even a conversation and what was FUNNY ON Q her sidekick started crying like WHAT THEY PICKED THEIR KIDS OVER US!! HOW COULD THEY!?!? HOW DARE THEY WANNA BE WITH THEIR CHILDREN OVER SNOBYN AND HERS?!?! Anyway, THAT WAS STUPID CRINGE!! BUT I WANNA KNOW on what day SNOBYN AND HER KIDS have chose any child over HER OWN?!?! When have you SNOBYN SACRIFICED A HOLIDAY. A SURGERY, A BIRTHDAY WITH YOUR CHILDREN FOR ONE OF KOTEX CHILDREN!!!!! WHEN SNOBYN WHEN?!?!?!


Historical-Mud-948

lol "when Snobyn WHEN!?"


EducationalHall5389

Robin is the step mom/new family. The other wives and kids are the ones that raised Kody and are left behind. Kody doesn’t want to admit he’s not Into Polygamy anymore and appreciates the settled down monogamous single family life. Which is basically what he’s done. Robin has so much more pull (she 100% knows it and uses it. I’ve always thought she planted, watered and pruned the seed for Meri to give up marital status), because she doesn’t have the 20 years of baggage his OG family does. Life with Robin is easy compared to the multi wife life. Had he really kept the strict each wife gets A, B, C, no outside childcare, no change in marriage status and X time in the rotation and stayed in single home or the culdesac, it probably could have worked a little better. Jealousy and resentment from the OG family is almost expected the way Kody handled it.


DeeSusie200

It’s called pussy whipped in my neck of the woods.


Luna-Mia

Excellent points.


Mrsbear19

Honestly I thought Robyn’s narcissism and kodys became an echo chamber of enabling and they both ramped each other up. But In seeing some of the old seasons where Robyn is reacting to things it does make me question whether she is the more aggressive narcissist. Kody is absolutely a piece of shit for his actions, regardless of influence, but Robyn is absolutely nasty and if you look close, has been purposely cruel since the beginning. The way she openly hates some of the other kids, her face when another wife is getting praise, her clear manipulation, etc. i also believe she is abusive to her own children with the dad replacement, enmeshment, thanksgiving talk about the others not liking them basically. What other wife now could openly scold and redirect kody like she did with the pest comment, “appreciate”from last season, her cues in the last talk for kody to explode. It can go on and on about how Robyn tries to hurt people, it’s possible that kody is just a willing tool for the job.


Humble-Doughnut7518

Re the personality transplant. I don’t think this is on Robyn. TLC is careful to keep Kody’s job and political beliefs away from the show but we know that he is right-wing, republican, and got into some red pill crap, and that is what I saw when he went on about patriarchy. It would not surprise me if he is Qanon light.


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Awkwardpanda75

Maybe she has beer flavored lady bits or a magical hoo-haw


Salt_Time4185

Robin was Kodys midlife crisis - he got divorced and got a new family. She is the new convertible he bought.


GarconMeansBoyGeorge

Y’all love to blame someone else for Kody’s actions when he’s always been the problem.


Icy_Baked

He’s always been A problem, but Robyn is THE problem now.


GarconMeansBoyGeorge

That’s just not true. Kody has agency.


Icy_Baked

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GarconMeansBoyGeorge

How is this an appropriate response? So men are just pawns of devious women and not responsible for their own actions? The internalized misogyny of this sub.


Historical-Mud-948

Oh please. She's creepy in ways that deserved to be pointed out. He is an ASSHOLE and worth hating but that doesn't mean she's not only controlling him to a disturbing extent.


GarconMeansBoyGeorge

Yawn


Icy_Baked

No, Kody is a disgusting person and ruined his family. But it can ALSO be true that Robyn was a catalyst for it. Robyn deserves all the hate she gets and more. She came in draining the family of resources and never once lifted a finger to help. She's also been seen literally manipulating people she claims to love. Kody lets her run his life and in result ruined his family. This isnt one of them, its on both.


GarconMeansBoyGeorge

Yeah these are pretty bad takes. I get you all want this to be more interesting and make Robyn the evil puppeteer but the truth is that she sucks and is a little selfish. Kody is and always has been the problem.


Icy_Baked

lmao why the fuck are you here then? This sub is pretty much in agreement that Kody and Robyn suck. ​ Its like you watched one ep of this show and decided you know everything about everyone


GarconMeansBoyGeorge

Honestly fuck off. I’m sorry I said your takes are bad. You actually don’t speak for everyone and don’t get to gatekeep watching this show.