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Zulanjo

While gruesome, the history and context behind the image doesn't help their pro abortion argument as much as they think it does. The woman chose to have an affair and became pregnant as a result, im not sure what the state of contraceptives was in the 60's but i imagine that not having an affair would most definitely not lead to pregnancy. It's also comicaly absurd to label SCOTUS as the "American Taliban" but thats just a given. Edit: Saw this comment and had to add it, it deserves its own post > The overturning of Roe v. Wade is going to cause innumerable female deaths that would've otherwise been preventable, which is no different than the murder of women. If you dont want to die as a result of a self attempted "illegal abortion" maybe stop sleeping with every dude you match with on Tinder


Gunsofglory

Women will risk their lives to perform illegal abortions because of the overturning of Roe v Wade instead of making a weekend trip to a state where it's legal? Oh no! Anyways . . .


MrSomnix

Statistically speaking, deaths plummeted when abortion was legalized. Though not caring about those deaths is surprising from someone pro-life.


Gunsofglory

If I threatened to jump off a bridge unless abortion was outlawed, should that be a serious consideration for making policy to ban it?


Candylandbadan

Statistically speaking, those deaths were like what? 30 a year? And it's not so much that we don't care or think it's a tragic situation, we're just not going to cosign killing your offspring because you might harm yourself in the process of trying to harm them. You don't get to threaten to hurt yourself in order to hold legislation hostage. Plenty of people commit suicide over situations that would be easily remedied for them if they could just kill another party.


Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer

>deaths plummeted when abortion was legalized. I mean they're still over 500,000 a year though luckily they are down in recent years.


bman_7

Except in reality the number of deaths went way up due to, you know, the abortions.


parkowork

Well, maybe the amount of would-be mothers dying plummeted. Planned Parenthood became a nationwide franchise by killing would-be babies.


Mewster1818

Okay so abortions had almost entirely stopped in Texas prior to the RvW decision... where are all these dead women from illegal abortions? There should be at least a couple by now based on your statements.


SubmarineDoorGunner

She was also 28 weeks into her pregnancy. Which is well beyond what the vast majority of people think should be legal. And all she had to do was make a quick drive to New York to get one.


Enough-Ad-9898

Telling women to close their legs is sexist, or something. Personal responsibility is also racist.


SnooterMelon

Idk. I had my atheist female coworker say “if you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex” 🤷🏻‍♂️


Enough-Ad-9898

Wow. Why does she hate women? But also, what is a woman? I need my thinking face. More seriously, it's pretty common among people who have a working brain. Don't want the consequences of a thing? Don't do the thing. Seems easy. I'm also non religious, so it's funny when people go "you're just a religious fascist".


motherisaclownwhore

They're quick to say that to men who complain about having to pay child support.


motherisaclownwhore

Diaphragms and condoms have existed since forever. This is the big, I assume, unintended consequence of the Pill and more reliable forms of birth control. The ideal was young couples who weren't ready to have children yet could have a more reliable way to space them out. But, in practice, it just became a way for people to be irresponsible and cover up for it without consequences.


ImProbablyNotABird

What is a woman?


expensivepens

Do we legalize murder because murderers get killed in the commission of a murder?


FreebornManoftheYUSA

She literally died so I think she paid for her crime. As did the fetus. Pro-life policies killed two people not just one. And yes, there will be illegal back-alley abortions again. Probably for women who did things they shouldn't have done like have sex. Did banning drugs get rid of drugs? Aren't you snowflakes the ones who make fun of "gun-free zones"?


toalewa99

Apparently it was 28 weeks along. Do you think anyone would be okay with that because of her circumstances even now?


FreebornManoftheYUSA

Nope but I rarely hear about women dying of back alley abortions even now when almost no states allow a woman to get an abortion that late in pregnancy. \]One wonders if she wanted an abortion much earlier in the pregnancy but the work needed to find someone willing to perform the abortion led to delays?


toalewa99

Hard to say. I honestly don’t think at the stage found, it should’ve been allowed but I do agree it sucks she died even if she did things that led her to it. Although, fleeing an abusive husband is something I can sympathise with.


Maga4lifeshutitdown

Can you answer me one question? Why are you so obsessed with having the government legalize the killings of children? Like, what is it?? I can't wrap my head around any of you people.


FreebornManoftheYUSA

Because I'm a parent and I know that a child is more than "a life". A child is a person who needs a supportive environment in which to grow up. Parenting is something that only someone who wants to parent should do. Punishing a child to lifetime of poverty and misery, along with the people who had sex to make that child, serves literally no one. Life is about so much more than "being born".


Maga4lifeshutitdown

Adoption, abstinence??? Those aren't choices?


FreebornManoftheYUSA

https://web.archive.org/web/20220702001928/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/adopt-baby-cost-process-hard/620258/


ALargeClam

Why do you assume people would rather die than struggle through life?


Enough-Ad-9898

Okay, so let's clarify. She didn't divorce her abusive ex, who she'd fled from. Mistake 1. She had an affair. Mistake 2. She then, instead of raising the kid with the help of the father (who she wasn't married to), decided to kill it. Mistake 3. Seems like this whole situation was pretty preventable in a few ways.


CashierAtPublix

For people who love the push cancel culture with the whole “consequences of my actions” shit, they sure to blame everyone for problems they created


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FreebornManoftheYUSA

Yes, pretty preventable by making the abortion she clearly was going to get one way or another legal so a real doctor in a real hospital could perform it.


Imtrvkvltru

>so a real doctor in a real hospital could perform it. Umm...I guess you don't realize that real medical hospitals in fact do not perform abortions due to convenience. They are in the business of saving lives, not taking lives. The only time a real doctor at a real hospital will ever perform an abortion is if the mother's life is in danger. And even then, they don't refer to them as abortions. They call the procedure by it's technical name. Salpingectomy, salpingostomy, or laparoscopy. Or simply C section and delivery, whether it's viable or not. Abortions performed out of convenience are performed at seedy hole in the wall clinics, not hospitals.


FreebornManoftheYUSA

Hospitals perform about 30% of abortions nationwide but you understood what I meant and it actually changes nothing about my point that medical facilities, whether clinic or hospital, can provide safe abortions. So why bother being a pedantic asshole?


Enough-Ad-9898

Or keeping her legs closed, or deciding to support the child. But you guys always prefer baby murder to personal responsibility.


FreebornManoftheYUSA

Haha, I love personal responsibility. That's why I'm so sick of the "blame the Dems" take on this rather than blaming the actual theofascists who want to push their religion on everyone. However, personal responsibility isn't some magic word that absolves you from dealing with the real world. Physical reality doesn't stop being physical reality just because you whined at it and said "But you shouldn't because it's bad." Physical reality means recognizing that policies have effects. Physical reality means understanding that personal responsibility is something you cultivate in yourself, not something you whine at others about.


Enough-Ad-9898

Yes, policies have effects. Ending baby murder is a good thing. Just because you (and your lefty buddies) don't like having consequences for your actions doesn't change that they exist. You're so close to getting it, then go the wrong direction at the last minute.


FreebornManoftheYUSA

Sorry, I forgot that we were pretending that these bans are going to end "baby murder" instead of just leading to killing both mothers *and* babies in back alleys and cheap motels. My fault.


Enough-Ad-9898

The solution? Keep your legs closed. Both men and women can solve this in one simple step!


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skunimatrix

These people realize the Taliban won right?


TheBaronOfTheNorth

Technically we forfeited.


ReubenZWeiner

Biden was the Taliban before he got his ass ex-communicated.


Life-Is-Evil

As if they love losing 😆


CuntlyPeroxide

I’ve pointed this out countless times before on Reddit and I’ll continue to point it out until I’m blue in the face: The pro abortion people, and the pro abortion people alone are the ones to *blame* for Roe being overturned. Pro life people largely accepted the loss on abortion over a quarter century ago when Clinton was in office. They absolutely didn’t like it, but for all intents and purposes they accepted “safe, legal, and rare”. There was no meaningful, coordinated, or realistic threat to abortion from pro-lifers for a quarter of a century. It wasn’t until the pro abortion people couldn’t take the win and instead kept pushing it further and further and further and further and further until we saw the pendulum swing. “Abortions for anyone at any time, for any reason, and you mr or mrs taxpayer have to pay for it too by the way. Also literal infanticide should exist” You reap what you sow, and I for one am loving it.


Imtrvkvltru

And this is the fundamental flaw with progressivism. Nothing is ever good enough for them. They are always striving towards this unreachable utopia. Or should I say dystopia? I'm old enough to remember "we just want the same rights as straight people. It's nobody's business who we love and what we do in the privacy of our own home". Now look at where we are.


Zulanjo

> It wasn’t until the pro abortion people couldn’t take the win and instead kept pushing it further and further and further and further and further until we saw the pendulum swing. Say it louder for the people in the back


parkowork

Also, we know you're only 14, but we won't tell your Mom and Dad that you came in to see us, that'll just be our little secret.


iWearCapesIRL

Tbf California is always going to have legal abortion so


MilleniaZero

Do people honestly believe that the court made abortions illegal for the entire country?


parkowork

Yes, yes they do. And they're so mad about it, they're going to march in their home state that allows them up until the time of birth to prove how oppressed they are.


xray_practice

If you're so determined to kill your own child that you'd take that risk, that's on you. I have no sympathy.


KingC-way425

The group of people who think banning abortion “won’t stop illegal abortions” are the same ones who support gun control


jexton80

yes anti gunners remind me of pro lifers


LottoThrowAwayToday

Anti-baby murder laws make it dangerous for baby murderers to murder babies.


TheBaronOfTheNorth

If the Taliban is so bad why did we give them $80 billion in military weaponry?


Autumn_Fire

I can only hope the Supreme Court will take the left to task. God fucking knows the GOP is in absolutely no rush to do so.


ImProbablyNotABird

>You’d think in a sub about history people would have a little understanding of it but then here you are.


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