Note: this alleged list of “visitors to Epstein’s island” has long been proven to be [fake](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-tom-hanks-not-on-epstein-pl-idUSKCN24F20V).
The actual flight logs can be found [here.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html)
A searchable database is found [here.](https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey-epsteins-private-jets-2020-7?r=US&IR=T)
Please be careful with what is being shared on the sub.
At least one of the pilots kept excellent written flight log records. This list you've posted here is fiction - it's unsourced absolute BS.
If you really want to find out who is known to have visited, go ahead and search yourself for the documents filed during the Epstein court cases. Yes, those files are freely available on the regular web. Examples include: "Defendent Bradley J. Edward's Statement of Undisputed Facts Exhibit MM" . "Case 18-2868, Document 271, 08/09/2019 US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit "(2,024 pages)
(Yes, I waited with bated breath for the reveals with Epstein. \*sigh\*)
Eipstein often invited people who could provide cover for his crimes. It doesn’t necessarily mean the person participated or was involved but it made it possible for him to use blackmail and push for covers of his dealings were in danger of being exposed. This is why he gave so much to MIT.
Agreed, just because they were there, doesn't mean they were as bad as Eipstein.
He would also need people to make him look less creepy.
I suspect there were probably MANY honey traps, but it doesn't mean people took advantage of the situation.
Yea- I encourage people to kinda consider whether or not they think EVERY person basically famous today is some type of pedophile sex pervert…it’s sort of incredulous. He was a big time charitable donor and philanthropist to help cover his image and purposely courted the wealthy and powerful so he could have plausible deniability and hide in plain sight. It also fed his ego tremendously.
Yes I agree. I’m not saying all are innocent I just think there’s a reason why we have innocent until proven guilty in the US. The pitchforks on social media get out of hand at times
This sub is just going to shit… the amount of people validating this is insane.
And I hate to say it but It honestly contributes to Meghan’s claims that everyone who speaks out against her is crazy. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but I hate that shit like this gets validated because it does make her seem more credible.
I agree with you 100% on shit posts like this. It helps them with their claims of people making up stories about them. There are people on that list that in no way had anything to do with that situation either. Enough with the BS posts and rumours.
This is just a photoshopped list of everyone the creator doesn’t like… come on 🙄 This sub is going to quickly go to shit if stuff like this is routinely published
No, it should be labeled FAKE NEWS. It’s not Allegedly it’s old and FAKE. And you’re still carrying on about the shock of your Senator being in this fake list after it’s been pointed out how fake this is.
Vague “Social Media” sources are NOT sources.
A VAT of salt, more likely. You didn’t notice the enormous amount of democrats on that list? Do you really think it’s likely Michelle Obama visited that island? JFC
I think the Clintons did, and I think politicians at that level are part of a very incestuous circle of influence. It’s probably more like 1 or 2 degrees of separation between anyone this wealthy or powerful.
Everyone who is anyone is listed except for Dolly Parton lol.
I'm sure someone had fun making up a list to prove whatever point they wanted to prove. But we could all make up a list like that and pull names out of a hat.
Celine Dion??? LOL.
Visiting doesn’t mean he knew what he was doing or participated. He was rich. Also a financier. It makes sense he would bring people he does business with. But it doesn’t make them all engaging with the girls Epstein trafficked.
A lot of people visited his island who had nothing to do with his sex games. He held parties and networking groups and fundraisers there. I notice Donald Trump is not listed and he was a regular and an actual friend of Epstein’s.
He dumped Epstein many years before the shit hit the fan. There's no evidence he visited the island.
I'm a Democrat, but thankfully also an honest person.
Trump wasn't in deep with Epstein. Plenty of politicians were though.
Thanks for pointing this out. Media seems to focus on the Trump-Epstein connection when other politicians were in way deeper. Trump banned him from Mar-a-Lago in 2008, I think.
Yes, quite a long time ago.
He attended some parties and events that E was at, but they weren't sex parties, just the basic society things that everyone attended.
Not sure what you are trying to imply. I'm slow, just spit it out if you are trying to make a point and I'm not getting it
Around a dozen fund raisers a month were held at Mar A Lago back then. Each attended by a few hundred "society" types with deep pockets. So to me, the two of them at the same event, it's not a huge deal.
Andrew on the other hand, he was in deep.
I've already looked into the Trump connection. Big nothing burger in my opinion. Sorry.
I'm more curious how Charles got on the list. He has never been attracted to "young" women. He's always looked for a mother figure. Even Diana, caught him by playing maternal (as advised by the sister who had dated him prior and knew his weaknesses).
As you might guess from my membership on this sub, I'm much more interested in Royal gossip than politics, of any persuasion.
>“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
This is what Trump said in 2002. 15 years! Even the little comment about the ages - they thought they were invincible, weren't they? Joking about it openly.
They fought over a property that Epstein wanted to buy and even consulted Trump about it, but Trump jumped in and outbid him.
Maybe he didn't visit the island, but in all those years he definitely had at the very least seen a lot of shit go down and chose to ignore it and continue their relationship.
Trump "knows" tens of thousands of people. Including me. I did sound on a couple seasons of his TV show.
You are welcome to believe this quote indicates they had sex parties together, but honestly it looks like you are really stretching it from here.
No, it indicates that he knew what was going on and it didn't stop him from giving this quote for a puff piece about Epstein. Despite the nature of Epstein's business Trump socialized with him, called him on the home phone multiple times (as court records show), etc. for decades. Let's say he never participated. He only profited off of networking through Epstein's crowd. Possibly while witnessing crimes - Epstein plead the Fifth when he was asked whether he ever socialized with Trump in the presence of underage girls.
some of these names on here are surprising. The ex JP Morgan guy has come out saying he witnessed abuse. I bet a lot of them saw stuff and said nothing. Like Clinton and Oprah
Oprah was also buddies with Jarvey Weinstein. Oprah hangs out with sex offender trash and knew all about them and still hung out with them. She's been a bad bad person for a long time, even when a lot of America thought she was fab.
This list is fake.
There are multiple news stories of who was and wasn’t not on the flight logs.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-teigen-degeneres-oprah-not-epstein-flight-logs/5494709002/
That actually disappointed me because I cannot stand Dershowitz. He is such a phony and honestly a traitor to profession. But it also makes all of her accusations- even the ones against Andrew- suspect and it is hurtful to true victims.
Actually, no.
Bringing down Alan has been goal number 1. But they have zero evidence of any wrong doing on his part.
I'm sure you can figure out why AD was such a key target.
Really? I know VG recanted but I thought there were others. I will admit the whole Epstein thing really brothers me and I have not read up as much as I should or watched the HBO doc that is meant to be pretty definitive so I will plead ignorance.
Ok. June 2008 was Epstein's trial. Dershowitz was involved as his attorney. Some of those involved settled at that time for fairly good amounts.
Years later, in the environment of "me too" some of those who had settled decided that in the current environment they could get more money.
Unfortunately they would have to overturn the previous case and agreements in order to get another bite out of the apple.
They decided a good strategy would be to discredit the attorney of record AD, with smears that he was involved. If he had actually been involved everything from the original trial would be tainted and thrown out, they could go after Epstein again and get more money.
A few extremely dishonest people thought they could make up a story about AD being involved and achieve this goal. (VG was a ringleader)
Didn't work. They did their best to spread lies about AD, but there is nothing to indicate AD has ever been involved with any of this other than as an attorney.
And he is an incredibly smart man, if he ever was involved in any unprofessional manner, he never would have represented Epstein, leaving the case open to being overturned.
It is pure evil. There was actually a plan to destroy a well respected man so that people who had already settled for millions could con more millions.
Repulsive. But nothing to support this story has ever been found, and plenty that shows it was impossible has been put forward.
Plus, a few of the liars including VG have admitted to lying. (Once she got her big payout from the BRF, why bother keeping up the charade?)
The stuff about AD is garbage.
But thankfully, not as many people as they had hoped fell for it.
Anyway, back to M and H.
I'm not overly interested in Epstein honestly.
I believe you about Dershowitz. I'm not American but I've been looking at him, over the years and I've followed his podcast, on and off and my instinct tells me he's a straight shooter.
Plus what I admire about him, as a "legal talking head" on cable news over the the last few years, is that the law always takes precedence over partisanship with him.
I did the deep dive way back.
I was very unhappy with the damage done to his reputation in his golden years .
Not a shred of evidence to support any of the lies told about him.
I'm glad he's been cleared too. He's got a truly amazing legal mind and he explains it all in such a simple yet analytical way too. I always learned something new when I listened to his podcast.
I need to start checking out the latest episodes of his podcast again.
He is a great voice for things like freedom of speech. Which I highly value. I like listening to him.
(Harry...we will never make you king of America, we love our freedoms that you think are bonkers)
Oh that is interesting. I am definitely someone who always had the impression Dershowitz was involved more deeply. I will have to dig around on that. Thank you!
Yeah I wondered WTF had happened to him. He was a very good lawyer and I believe everyone does deserve a proper zealous defense. I am in the profession! A girlfriend of mine does federal criminal appeals and it is so hard on her to represent child molestors and such but she is absolutely key to a proper system of laws and she is very proud of that.
I posted an article about Virginia dropping her allegations against Dershowitz on BRF. Seems she was also lying about several people involved.
(I think it likely Prince Andrew was involved, and that makes things very mixed up, because it casts her allegations in a suspicious light.
She claimed several men were johns who apparently she never met. And lied constantly about things like her age at various points. The whole thing is a shit show.
I did. I’m pointing out there’s no way those two individuals were on that island and IF they had gone to that island there’s no way either of them would stand by if they saw what Epstein was up to.
Stephen Colbert is another weird one on there. And honestly I do not believe Bernie Sanders would have gone there - Bernie on a tropical island? This list seems way off
Epstein spent a lot of time at Mar A Lago. There was an article in Vanity Fair about how he used his recruiters to attract lower income girls who lived on the fringes of Palm Beach wealth. It was a perfect hunting ground.
He had a house in Palm Beach and threw parties at Mar A Lago. He and Trump fell out over a real estate deal. It appears there was a lot of cross over in the 90s and early 2000s. One of the witnesses in Maxwell’s trial was taken to the club by Maxwell at 14 from the Michigan girls art school Epstein funded. VG claims she was recruited from the locker room at MLA but who knows with her anymore.
This is what Trump said in 2002:
>“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Some of the Epstein stuff is really out there. People on Twitter making up lists and conspiracy is not truth. I am in a profession that values evidence and truth, not random unsourced stuff people circulate on twitter. I have advanced degrees predicated in research. I am sorry if wanting verification of theories and evidence of claims is suspicious to you. It is just as odd to me that others don’t have the desire to actually prove these claims and accept them at face value.
That is why this is in the "Allegedly" category. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. I agree with you. However, some of these names are not shocking. I am surprised not seeing Harvey Weinstein. He most definitely had to have visited. I think he was on the flight log a few times.
I was actually replying to the comment above mine that seems to be accusing me of something, not to you and the list in specific! Sorry if it seemed that way.
I suppose it’s normal to question these people’s association with a guy who knowingly ran a sex island. Same with Weinstein, it was an open secret…until it wasn’t.
I totally get that. I have honestly avoided a lot of the Epstein stuff in the news because it is just so sad and heartbreaking. And it makes me so angry. I will admit that while I usually dig for background on everything, this one is one where I am not as well versed as others.
Ive heard of Epstein many years before this whole thing blew up which is why Im sceptical of official stories when it comes to these ‘scandals’. Another one I can think of is Kevin Spacey. This is is a list from who knows where so I’ll reserve my judgement on the names here, as you were right to point out. However where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
The one thing I am really interested in and one thing that cannot be fully explained is where Epstein got his money. The VS founder? Bribes and blackmail? He had so much money and no one really seems to be able to source it.
Interestingly, the VS founder was always rumored around town to be gay. Again, like the list, this falls into the allegedly. He is married with children and has donated a lot of money to great causes. Not sure he has the kind of cash to fund this type of enterprise. So, who knows. So many unanswered questions went to the grave with Epstein. All we have left is difficult to prove conspiracy.
It would be helpful if OP had included a link or at least explained where they saw this 'cause "social media' is slightly vague. It would be nice to know WHO posted this so we could all make a judgment about how credible the list is or is not. I could create a document that looked exactly like this with any names I chose in a decent word processing program in just over the time it took me to type out all the names.
If anything the redditors on this subreddit are generally critical of unproven and unsubstantiated accusations like the Harkles have made.
Please note the stickied comment at the top. The list has been circulating for years and is proven to be fake. Some of the names on the list are not on the flight logs.
This is what people are talking about right now. It is interesting to see a lot names that Meghan and Harry have in their circle. It is why I am pointing it out. If people could look at the flair...it is in the "Allegedly" category. So far, Hollywood has proven themselves to be shady AF.
More of a comment to the person replying as I’ve seen them on the Epstein/yacht girl threads but yes, this list shows that they were all intermingling. *IF this list is real
This was debunked and came from QAnon. There are official flight logs that have been unsealed and released by the courts, but not this list of “visitors”. It’s verifiably false. It came from no official records and just materialized onto FB from conspiracy theory accounts. It’s also missing high profile people who have admitted to being there and have photographic proof of being there, like Stephen Hawking.
Cause celebrities never lie, right? Especially not when they’re accused of pedophilia.
Chrissy’s ‘Toddlers n Tiaras’ tweets sexualizing kids and revealed who she was. And Anderson is a Vanderbilt - one of the wealthiest families in America with numerous “art” pieces depicting their
allegiance to Satan.
There is no art in the former Vanderbilt homes for one. They’ve been broke since long before Anderson was born for two. And yep people can lie but neither has been on the lists that came out as actual evidence for third.
This really doesn’t mean anything. Rich people know each other. Trump actually testified against Epstein so I think he’s clear. Most of the men listed here probably like Andrew, they weren’t really that involved. They probably took some stupid offers, had sex with teenagers but that’s it. I don’t think they would sink lower than that. Prince Charles, King Charles is even less likely to be involved in those things. He doesn’t like immature girls. I think Epstein might had been running a blackmail operation for foreign entities, that’s why I am now hesitant to go down that rabbit hole. We might be playing right into someone’s hands.
Charles is not on any flight manifest. Charles has not been accused by any of the abused girls. Prince Andrew, on the other hand, has been identified as someone on the flights and is noted in the flight manifest as "AP". DailyMail actually has a really good article on it. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10275713/Prince-Andrew-took-FOUR-flights-Jeffrey-Epsteins-plane-flight-logs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10275713/Prince-Andrew-took-FOUR-flights-Jeffrey-Epsteins-plane-flight-logs.html)
Wait hold on - where did you hear that Trump testified against Epstein? If anything, Trump has been named in a number of lawsuits and accusations against Epstein as also being a participant in certain events.
I remember it’s back in 2005-2006 when Epstein was first arrested but I can’t find the information now, maybe I remember it wrong. Either way, he did suggest Epstein likes younger girls on his Twitter back in the days. I don’t think he would be so outspoken about it if he’s involved in that .
When I was searching though, I found some reports about Epstein’s relationship with Diana and allegedly Maxwell bullying Diana. Crown Princess of Norway also was a friend to him. I am more curious about this man’s identity now.
Here is an article on the island along with the names of some people who visited the island as well as those who were his friends (but not confirmed to have visited the island)
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40603323/jeffrey-epstein-island/
Definitely sus. Or incomplete. A half-truth is also a lie. Probably propaganda for some more division.
People who haven't been photographed with Epstein are on the list, and yet the Trumps who havee been cozy, with photos, apparently never rode the Lolita Express. Right.
I guess only few of us are of the mind that ALL the elites are complicit.
The National Enquirer was printing stories about this 25 years ago. Then it stopped and never heard about it again. Until that journalist had her son catch him in a bar. Someone has done a very good job of burying his antics
It’s not. You can find the actual official flight logs, but this list has been debunked about a million times. It’s part of the “liberals are pedos” conspiracy theory. And that’s not me being political or an opinion, that’s just where it actually originated.
It misses the donald and melania who were pictured with him a number of times so I'm not believing it. I can't imagine Epstein had anything Charles wanted the timing seems a bit suspicious to me.
Is there another Donovan Mitchell my brain won’t think of besides the basketball player? He’s 26. Epstein was on the radar long before he had money enough to be important. 2008 was the first arrest. Also Mikel Arteta is the manager of Arsenal. Unless because Ghislaine was a fan.. 2+2 is equaling a funny number.
Rich people have parties. Other rich people go to those parties. We know that JE invested a LOT of money for a LOT of people. He was in the "In crowd" for a lot of years. Being on a list or flight log does not mean someone was there for nefarious reasons. It, in most cases, means they were invited to the island and said, "Sounds fun".
This list has been around for probably a couple of years now, but until now it has always been banned from social media.
Ghislane Maxwell was convicted of child trafficking but we have never been allowed to discuss the names of even one of her customers. You can see many of them above.
Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein until the day he caught Epstein at Mar-a-Lago trying to put the moves on a friend's 14-yo daughter. Trump threw Epstein out and barred him from ever going there again.
Epstein's island, "Little St. James," existed as a honeypot trap in order to blackmail the world's biggest names in politics and entertainment. Epstein tried to get Trump, but by that time Trump knew the situation and never went there.
Trump was never on that island. But an awful lot of other famous people were, either because they knew what sort of fun and games went on there and wanted to participate; or because they didn't know until it was too late and woke up the next morning being blackmailed.
This whole thing is far, far, far worse than you can imagine. Stay tuned. It is slowly coming out because most people (really) could not handle the horror of it all at once.
Stay tuned. And try to prepare.
I don’t think we’ll ever get the full truth, it goes too deep and I’m of the theory that Mossad is involved.
Somehow Ghislane Maxwell has been convicted of child trafficking… to… no one? No clients? It’s evident who participated (Clinton, Bill Gates, Alan Dershowitz etc) but they’re all too powerful and elite to actually get taken down.
Look at the name missing and a story saying he has been…extreme BS on this list.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/30/us/ghislaine-maxwell-pilot/index.html
Okay -- that could be interesting. Where did you hear or read that? Because I want to know the source so I can decide if the source is credible or not.
Yeah, let's suppose he invited me and I was clueless. I go and maybe see some questionable things or people having questionable discussions (maybe trying to see how I feel about certain things). If that happened, I would know that these are not the type of people that I want to associate with, and I would never go again.
So to me, even if someone did go, I still don't know the whole story so I cannot make a judgement (like you said).
That’s one question we have yet to find out. It appears that perhaps Epstein and Ghislanie took the brunt of it but more “players” were involved. Why was the list Ghislanie gave to authorities never released to the public?
Found this webpage. It's very helpful because otherwise you're just scrolling through the orig text, cannot search. [https://epsteinsblackbook.com/](https://epsteinsblackbook.com/)
Honestly, the people who keep posting unverifiable info or info that is easily proven false need to have their posting privileges taken away. Seriously making this sub look bad and annoying af.
This list has been banned so many times. But ever since Balenciaga scandal and Elon buying twitter it’s being resurrected. Justice has been delayed… but it’s coming
I hate every time this list pops up. I hate that people I like are on it. I like to think Rainn Wilson and Patton Oswalt were just part of the audience for a posh private Celine Dion/Gwen Stefani concert. But that only lasts for a moment or two before I remember creepers could be anywhere or anyone.
It's just a list that some manipulative liar put together that includes a few people that are actually on the flight list to make it appear to be true. There is no source, it is not signed, it has no attribution. It is not real. Your peeps are likely as fresh and clean as you thought they were.
Please see the stickied comment above.
A searchable database is found [here](https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey-epsteins-private-jets-2020-7?r=US&IR=T).
Oswalt and Wilson don’t appear on the list.
https://preview.redd.it/r7e50zq5emda1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=4559e096f38241e9859c49e51791126925c7c4e0
Leaving the fake list aside let's get serious for a moment, and try the guessing game for a bit using both what we know already about them, especially about Meghan mostly by now, and the fact they are fond of changing the storyline constantly, mostly when they don't want us to look to a certain part of the storyline.
At this point I'm just waiting for someone to come forward on that whole part of her narrative, and say exactly what they saw her did... or didn't do while being a "yatch girl". I don't think Virgina G's lawyers were bluffling when they wanted to call her as a witness. Then again we all heard the rumours about SoHo House and what was really going on there, especially since the dates don't match. And finally, "the icing of the cake", the fact Meghan herself proved already she doesn't mind using people she is with to advance her career. Does this mean she took it a step too far? I don't know and honestly I don't care (her choices honestly but per her own narrative crap should that be the case, I'm curious as to how she could spin it out to come up unscathed from such a thing) but the signs are there, all that weird trips she did, and the visits to Ireland going to shady discos were everyone knows something goes on the side, maybe nothing happened but her whole attitude to remark otherwise makes you ask yourself whether there is, or isn't, smoke behind the fire.
In any case, time would eventually tell...
Note: this alleged list of “visitors to Epstein’s island” has long been proven to be [fake](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-tom-hanks-not-on-epstein-pl-idUSKCN24F20V). The actual flight logs can be found [here.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html) A searchable database is found [here.](https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey-epsteins-private-jets-2020-7?r=US&IR=T) Please be careful with what is being shared on the sub.
At least one of the pilots kept excellent written flight log records. This list you've posted here is fiction - it's unsourced absolute BS. If you really want to find out who is known to have visited, go ahead and search yourself for the documents filed during the Epstein court cases. Yes, those files are freely available on the regular web. Examples include: "Defendent Bradley J. Edward's Statement of Undisputed Facts Exhibit MM" . "Case 18-2868, Document 271, 08/09/2019 US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit "(2,024 pages) (Yes, I waited with bated breath for the reveals with Epstein. \*sigh\*)
Eipstein often invited people who could provide cover for his crimes. It doesn’t necessarily mean the person participated or was involved but it made it possible for him to use blackmail and push for covers of his dealings were in danger of being exposed. This is why he gave so much to MIT.
Agreed, just because they were there, doesn't mean they were as bad as Eipstein. He would also need people to make him look less creepy. I suspect there were probably MANY honey traps, but it doesn't mean people took advantage of the situation.
Yea- I encourage people to kinda consider whether or not they think EVERY person basically famous today is some type of pedophile sex pervert…it’s sort of incredulous. He was a big time charitable donor and philanthropist to help cover his image and purposely courted the wealthy and powerful so he could have plausible deniability and hide in plain sight. It also fed his ego tremendously.
Much like many other monsters like him. Jimmy Saville is another prime example.
Yes, he could have also invited them to "feel them out" to see if he could involve them. Bc he obviously can't go right out and ask
Yes I agree. I’m not saying all are innocent I just think there’s a reason why we have innocent until proven guilty in the US. The pitchforks on social media get out of hand at times
I think some blackmail was sexual some financial shell games with a financially loose country helping it along
This list has been proven to a fake.
This sub is just going to shit… the amount of people validating this is insane. And I hate to say it but It honestly contributes to Meghan’s claims that everyone who speaks out against her is crazy. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but I hate that shit like this gets validated because it does make her seem more credible.
Precisely. Stick to the true, validated claims (it’s not like there’s a shortage).
Yeah I'm with you 100% there.
I agree with you 100% on shit posts like this. It helps them with their claims of people making up stories about them. There are people on that list that in no way had anything to do with that situation either. Enough with the BS posts and rumours.
💯 agree. Whassup with these QANON claims? I am sick of all the “alleged” stuff. I would much rather discuss what they have done in plain sight.
I thought so. Some of those names do not make sense and some very big Epstein connections are not on there.
This is just a photoshopped list of everyone the creator doesn’t like… come on 🙄 This sub is going to quickly go to shit if stuff like this is routinely published
Yep. The sugars already are like look they believe everything bad about Meghan. Stuff like this that’s obviously false makes everything look deranged.
any verification? Looks suspect
The blur is also usually a sign it’s not good
This looks incredibly fake. Preposterous.
I’ve thought that about every “Epstein Island List”.
And very one sided. Only left wing politicians are listed here
This is what is trending on Twitter right now. It is why this is labeled "Allegedly" take it with a pinch of salt.
No, it should be labeled FAKE NEWS. It’s not Allegedly it’s old and FAKE. And you’re still carrying on about the shock of your Senator being in this fake list after it’s been pointed out how fake this is. Vague “Social Media” sources are NOT sources.
A VAT of salt, more likely. You didn’t notice the enormous amount of democrats on that list? Do you really think it’s likely Michelle Obama visited that island? JFC
Katy Perry? It seems like whoever made this, they just picked "politicians I don't like plus some random super famous people"
I think the Clintons did, and I think politicians at that level are part of a very incestuous circle of influence. It’s probably more like 1 or 2 degrees of separation between anyone this wealthy or powerful.
Note stickied post above. Bill Clinton was a frequent visitor. Hillary was not.
No. No. Also no. This list is inaccurate.
Everyone who is anyone is listed except for Dolly Parton lol. I'm sure someone had fun making up a list to prove whatever point they wanted to prove. But we could all make up a list like that and pull names out of a hat. Celine Dion??? LOL.
Visiting doesn’t mean he knew what he was doing or participated. He was rich. Also a financier. It makes sense he would bring people he does business with. But it doesn’t make them all engaging with the girls Epstein trafficked.
A lot of people visited his island who had nothing to do with his sex games. He held parties and networking groups and fundraisers there. I notice Donald Trump is not listed and he was a regular and an actual friend of Epstein’s.
Exactly. People have to be extremely objective especially when they pick up things like this on social media.
He dumped Epstein many years before the shit hit the fan. There's no evidence he visited the island. I'm a Democrat, but thankfully also an honest person. Trump wasn't in deep with Epstein. Plenty of politicians were though.
Very true.
Thanks for pointing this out. Media seems to focus on the Trump-Epstein connection when other politicians were in way deeper. Trump banned him from Mar-a-Lago in 2008, I think.
Yes, quite a long time ago. He attended some parties and events that E was at, but they weren't sex parties, just the basic society things that everyone attended.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tape-shows-donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-discussing-women-1992-party-n1030686
Fundraiser. probably not as exciting as the article makes it sound
And not quite as coincidental as you made it sound considering it was a party at mar a lago.
Not sure what you are trying to imply. I'm slow, just spit it out if you are trying to make a point and I'm not getting it Around a dozen fund raisers a month were held at Mar A Lago back then. Each attended by a few hundred "society" types with deep pockets. So to me, the two of them at the same event, it's not a huge deal. Andrew on the other hand, he was in deep. I've already looked into the Trump connection. Big nothing burger in my opinion. Sorry. I'm more curious how Charles got on the list. He has never been attracted to "young" women. He's always looked for a mother figure. Even Diana, caught him by playing maternal (as advised by the sister who had dated him prior and knew his weaknesses). As you might guess from my membership on this sub, I'm much more interested in Royal gossip than politics, of any persuasion.
Note stickied comment at the top. List has been debunked.
Yes pretty obvious. I suspect if Charles ever dealt with him at all he could have begged for charity money. He has done a lot of that
Exactly.
>“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” This is what Trump said in 2002. 15 years! Even the little comment about the ages - they thought they were invincible, weren't they? Joking about it openly. They fought over a property that Epstein wanted to buy and even consulted Trump about it, but Trump jumped in and outbid him. Maybe he didn't visit the island, but in all those years he definitely had at the very least seen a lot of shit go down and chose to ignore it and continue their relationship.
Trump "knows" tens of thousands of people. Including me. I did sound on a couple seasons of his TV show. You are welcome to believe this quote indicates they had sex parties together, but honestly it looks like you are really stretching it from here.
No, it indicates that he knew what was going on and it didn't stop him from giving this quote for a puff piece about Epstein. Despite the nature of Epstein's business Trump socialized with him, called him on the home phone multiple times (as court records show), etc. for decades. Let's say he never participated. He only profited off of networking through Epstein's crowd. Possibly while witnessing crimes - Epstein plead the Fifth when he was asked whether he ever socialized with Trump in the presence of underage girls.
The coach of Arsenal, Arteta, is listed. 😐 This list is sketchy. Has to be a joke. Edit: Guess the petty downvote was from a Tottenham fan...?
Obviously hello fellow gooner
Lol. Looking forward to the Man U match. 👍
some of these names on here are surprising. The ex JP Morgan guy has come out saying he witnessed abuse. I bet a lot of them saw stuff and said nothing. Like Clinton and Oprah
Oprah was also buddies with Jarvey Weinstein. Oprah hangs out with sex offender trash and knew all about them and still hung out with them. She's been a bad bad person for a long time, even when a lot of America thought she was fab.
This list is fake. There are multiple news stories of who was and wasn’t not on the flight logs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-teigen-degeneres-oprah-not-epstein-flight-logs/5494709002/
Alan Dershowitz is definitely someone who participated in this. I do not know why Harvard Law has not removed his emeritus status. It angers me a lot.
Because VG recounted her accusations against him.
That actually disappointed me because I cannot stand Dershowitz. He is such a phony and honestly a traitor to profession. But it also makes all of her accusations- even the ones against Andrew- suspect and it is hurtful to true victims.
Actually, no. Bringing down Alan has been goal number 1. But they have zero evidence of any wrong doing on his part. I'm sure you can figure out why AD was such a key target.
Really? I know VG recanted but I thought there were others. I will admit the whole Epstein thing really brothers me and I have not read up as much as I should or watched the HBO doc that is meant to be pretty definitive so I will plead ignorance.
Ok. June 2008 was Epstein's trial. Dershowitz was involved as his attorney. Some of those involved settled at that time for fairly good amounts. Years later, in the environment of "me too" some of those who had settled decided that in the current environment they could get more money. Unfortunately they would have to overturn the previous case and agreements in order to get another bite out of the apple. They decided a good strategy would be to discredit the attorney of record AD, with smears that he was involved. If he had actually been involved everything from the original trial would be tainted and thrown out, they could go after Epstein again and get more money. A few extremely dishonest people thought they could make up a story about AD being involved and achieve this goal. (VG was a ringleader) Didn't work. They did their best to spread lies about AD, but there is nothing to indicate AD has ever been involved with any of this other than as an attorney. And he is an incredibly smart man, if he ever was involved in any unprofessional manner, he never would have represented Epstein, leaving the case open to being overturned. It is pure evil. There was actually a plan to destroy a well respected man so that people who had already settled for millions could con more millions. Repulsive. But nothing to support this story has ever been found, and plenty that shows it was impossible has been put forward. Plus, a few of the liars including VG have admitted to lying. (Once she got her big payout from the BRF, why bother keeping up the charade?) The stuff about AD is garbage. But thankfully, not as many people as they had hoped fell for it. Anyway, back to M and H. I'm not overly interested in Epstein honestly.
I believe you about Dershowitz. I'm not American but I've been looking at him, over the years and I've followed his podcast, on and off and my instinct tells me he's a straight shooter. Plus what I admire about him, as a "legal talking head" on cable news over the the last few years, is that the law always takes precedence over partisanship with him.
I did the deep dive way back. I was very unhappy with the damage done to his reputation in his golden years . Not a shred of evidence to support any of the lies told about him.
I'm glad he's been cleared too. He's got a truly amazing legal mind and he explains it all in such a simple yet analytical way too. I always learned something new when I listened to his podcast. I need to start checking out the latest episodes of his podcast again.
He is a great voice for things like freedom of speech. Which I highly value. I like listening to him. (Harry...we will never make you king of America, we love our freedoms that you think are bonkers)
Oh that is interesting. I am definitely someone who always had the impression Dershowitz was involved more deeply. I will have to dig around on that. Thank you!
It was a case of character assassination, I'm glad you are going to look into it.
Yeah I wondered WTF had happened to him. He was a very good lawyer and I believe everyone does deserve a proper zealous defense. I am in the profession! A girlfriend of mine does federal criminal appeals and it is so hard on her to represent child molestors and such but she is absolutely key to a proper system of laws and she is very proud of that.
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Thank you!
I posted an article about Virginia dropping her allegations against Dershowitz on BRF. Seems she was also lying about several people involved. (I think it likely Prince Andrew was involved, and that makes things very mixed up, because it casts her allegations in a suspicious light.
She claimed several men were johns who apparently she never met. And lied constantly about things like her age at various points. The whole thing is a shit show.
Yes but people like Obama and Rainn Wilson wouldn’t stand by and “witness” the abuse. They would’ve done something.
Please note stickied post above. Obama was never on the island.
I did. I’m pointing out there’s no way those two individuals were on that island and IF they had gone to that island there’s no way either of them would stand by if they saw what Epstein was up to.
Stephen Colbert is another weird one on there. And honestly I do not believe Bernie Sanders would have gone there - Bernie on a tropical island? This list seems way off
I think Trump only went one time. I'm guessing many people only went one time.
Epstein spent a lot of time at Mar A Lago. There was an article in Vanity Fair about how he used his recruiters to attract lower income girls who lived on the fringes of Palm Beach wealth. It was a perfect hunting ground.
Define ALOT of time? Cause Clinton went on the Lolita 37 times.
He had a house in Palm Beach and threw parties at Mar A Lago. He and Trump fell out over a real estate deal. It appears there was a lot of cross over in the 90s and early 2000s. One of the witnesses in Maxwell’s trial was taken to the club by Maxwell at 14 from the Michigan girls art school Epstein funded. VG claims she was recruited from the locker room at MLA but who knows with her anymore.
This is what Trump said in 2002: >“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
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You seem to be really invested in discrediting this (not talking about this particular list) and people who shed light on it 🤔
Some of the Epstein stuff is really out there. People on Twitter making up lists and conspiracy is not truth. I am in a profession that values evidence and truth, not random unsourced stuff people circulate on twitter. I have advanced degrees predicated in research. I am sorry if wanting verification of theories and evidence of claims is suspicious to you. It is just as odd to me that others don’t have the desire to actually prove these claims and accept them at face value.
That is why this is in the "Allegedly" category. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. I agree with you. However, some of these names are not shocking. I am surprised not seeing Harvey Weinstein. He most definitely had to have visited. I think he was on the flight log a few times.
I was actually replying to the comment above mine that seems to be accusing me of something, not to you and the list in specific! Sorry if it seemed that way.
Where is the theory about Epstein? Was he not charged with sex trafficking?
No, I mean the conspiracy theories. All sorts of them about all sorts of people.
I suppose it’s normal to question these people’s association with a guy who knowingly ran a sex island. Same with Weinstein, it was an open secret…until it wasn’t.
I totally get that. I have honestly avoided a lot of the Epstein stuff in the news because it is just so sad and heartbreaking. And it makes me so angry. I will admit that while I usually dig for background on everything, this one is one where I am not as well versed as others.
Ive heard of Epstein many years before this whole thing blew up which is why Im sceptical of official stories when it comes to these ‘scandals’. Another one I can think of is Kevin Spacey. This is is a list from who knows where so I’ll reserve my judgement on the names here, as you were right to point out. However where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
The one thing I am really interested in and one thing that cannot be fully explained is where Epstein got his money. The VS founder? Bribes and blackmail? He had so much money and no one really seems to be able to source it.
Interestingly, the VS founder was always rumored around town to be gay. Again, like the list, this falls into the allegedly. He is married with children and has donated a lot of money to great causes. Not sure he has the kind of cash to fund this type of enterprise. So, who knows. So many unanswered questions went to the grave with Epstein. All we have left is difficult to prove conspiracy.
It would be helpful if OP had included a link or at least explained where they saw this 'cause "social media' is slightly vague. It would be nice to know WHO posted this so we could all make a judgment about how credible the list is or is not. I could create a document that looked exactly like this with any names I chose in a decent word processing program in just over the time it took me to type out all the names. If anything the redditors on this subreddit are generally critical of unproven and unsubstantiated accusations like the Harkles have made.
Please note the stickied comment at the top. The list has been circulating for years and is proven to be fake. Some of the names on the list are not on the flight logs.
Agreed, as far as I know there are no released client lists but this is a compilation of visitors to the island from who knows where.
This is what people are talking about right now. It is interesting to see a lot names that Meghan and Harry have in their circle. It is why I am pointing it out. If people could look at the flair...it is in the "Allegedly" category. So far, Hollywood has proven themselves to be shady AF.
More of a comment to the person replying as I’ve seen them on the Epstein/yacht girl threads but yes, this list shows that they were all intermingling. *IF this list is real
This was debunked and came from QAnon. There are official flight logs that have been unsealed and released by the courts, but not this list of “visitors”. It’s verifiably false. It came from no official records and just materialized onto FB from conspiracy theory accounts. It’s also missing high profile people who have admitted to being there and have photographic proof of being there, like Stephen Hawking.
Hasn’t this list been debunked? I know Chrissy Teigen and Anderson Cooper have both said they never hitched a ride on the Lolita Express.
Yes. It’s been debunked for years.
Cause celebrities never lie, right? Especially not when they’re accused of pedophilia. Chrissy’s ‘Toddlers n Tiaras’ tweets sexualizing kids and revealed who she was. And Anderson is a Vanderbilt - one of the wealthiest families in America with numerous “art” pieces depicting their allegiance to Satan.
There is no art in the former Vanderbilt homes for one. They’ve been broke since long before Anderson was born for two. And yep people can lie but neither has been on the lists that came out as actual evidence for third.
Mods, remove this post ASAP, otherwise we will be just another conspiracy sub
This really doesn’t mean anything. Rich people know each other. Trump actually testified against Epstein so I think he’s clear. Most of the men listed here probably like Andrew, they weren’t really that involved. They probably took some stupid offers, had sex with teenagers but that’s it. I don’t think they would sink lower than that. Prince Charles, King Charles is even less likely to be involved in those things. He doesn’t like immature girls. I think Epstein might had been running a blackmail operation for foreign entities, that’s why I am now hesitant to go down that rabbit hole. We might be playing right into someone’s hands.
Charles is not on any flight manifest. Charles has not been accused by any of the abused girls. Prince Andrew, on the other hand, has been identified as someone on the flights and is noted in the flight manifest as "AP". DailyMail actually has a really good article on it. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10275713/Prince-Andrew-took-FOUR-flights-Jeffrey-Epsteins-plane-flight-logs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10275713/Prince-Andrew-took-FOUR-flights-Jeffrey-Epsteins-plane-flight-logs.html)
Woah. Epstein running a blackmail operation. Now that would be fascinating
Wait hold on - where did you hear that Trump testified against Epstein? If anything, Trump has been named in a number of lawsuits and accusations against Epstein as also being a participant in certain events.
I remember it’s back in 2005-2006 when Epstein was first arrested but I can’t find the information now, maybe I remember it wrong. Either way, he did suggest Epstein likes younger girls on his Twitter back in the days. I don’t think he would be so outspoken about it if he’s involved in that . When I was searching though, I found some reports about Epstein’s relationship with Diana and allegedly Maxwell bullying Diana. Crown Princess of Norway also was a friend to him. I am more curious about this man’s identity now.
List is fake. See stickied comment.
This seems like a fake list by a MAGA conservative. Its a silly list that anyone could have written up in 5 min
All Democrats and liberals on the list
Agree, GreenCharter, no Donald Trump on the list, yet I’m sure he has admitted to going.
He went on one flight. But yes the list is absolutely fake. It had been debunked a long time ago.
Here is an article on the island along with the names of some people who visited the island as well as those who were his friends (but not confirmed to have visited the island) https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40603323/jeffrey-epstein-island/
Please note stickied answer above that debunks much of the list.
Lmao I’m sorry but this list could have been made by anyone. Especially with that format
no Donald or Melania Trump makes this list sus as hell.
Definitely sus. Or incomplete. A half-truth is also a lie. Probably propaganda for some more division. People who haven't been photographed with Epstein are on the list, and yet the Trumps who havee been cozy, with photos, apparently never rode the Lolita Express. Right. I guess only few of us are of the mind that ALL the elites are complicit.
Trump had been on the flight once. Not as many times as Bill Clinton. But yes the list is fake. I posted a link above with a searchable database.
Kevin Spacey probably put in a request for underage boys
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The National Enquirer was printing stories about this 25 years ago. Then it stopped and never heard about it again. Until that journalist had her son catch him in a bar. Someone has done a very good job of burying his antics
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Creepy. Someone was "silenced," unlike Megga Mouth
Disgusting but sadly, likely to be true
Quite the overlap between anti-Meghan and pro-Trump/Q on display from some in this thread
How do we know this is real?
It isn’t. There are a lot of people on the list that have never been linked with the actual flight logs that have been released.
It’s not. You can find the actual official flight logs, but this list has been debunked about a million times. It’s part of the “liberals are pedos” conspiracy theory. And that’s not me being political or an opinion, that’s just where it actually originated.
This is fake. See stickied comment at top. There is a searchable database.
Thank you!
It misses the donald and melania who were pictured with him a number of times so I'm not believing it. I can't imagine Epstein had anything Charles wanted the timing seems a bit suspicious to me.
Not one right wing Republican conservative politician or entertainer in the bunch. This list is ridiculous.
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This is a divisive political issue that will take the thread off topic
No Donald Trump? Looks sus.
His name appeared on the flight log once
Is there another Donovan Mitchell my brain won’t think of besides the basketball player? He’s 26. Epstein was on the radar long before he had money enough to be important. 2008 was the first arrest. Also Mikel Arteta is the manager of Arsenal. Unless because Ghislaine was a fan.. 2+2 is equaling a funny number.
Pretty much everyone who is/was anyone.
Note stickied comment at the top. The list is confirmed to be fake.
Are you sure this is accurate? What’s the source? I’m all for uncovering everything related to Epstein, but please don’t recycle misinformation.
Rich people have parties. Other rich people go to those parties. We know that JE invested a LOT of money for a LOT of people. He was in the "In crowd" for a lot of years. Being on a list or flight log does not mean someone was there for nefarious reasons. It, in most cases, means they were invited to the island and said, "Sounds fun".
Why is anyone surprised Chrissy Teigen was on the list, she met John Legend playing a hot girl in one of his music videos 😂
List is fake.
Being a video vixen doesn't mean you're a pedophile, FFS.
This list has been around for probably a couple of years now, but until now it has always been banned from social media. Ghislane Maxwell was convicted of child trafficking but we have never been allowed to discuss the names of even one of her customers. You can see many of them above. Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein until the day he caught Epstein at Mar-a-Lago trying to put the moves on a friend's 14-yo daughter. Trump threw Epstein out and barred him from ever going there again. Epstein's island, "Little St. James," existed as a honeypot trap in order to blackmail the world's biggest names in politics and entertainment. Epstein tried to get Trump, but by that time Trump knew the situation and never went there. Trump was never on that island. But an awful lot of other famous people were, either because they knew what sort of fun and games went on there and wanted to participate; or because they didn't know until it was too late and woke up the next morning being blackmailed. This whole thing is far, far, far worse than you can imagine. Stay tuned. It is slowly coming out because most people (really) could not handle the horror of it all at once. Stay tuned. And try to prepare.
I don’t think we’ll ever get the full truth, it goes too deep and I’m of the theory that Mossad is involved. Somehow Ghislane Maxwell has been convicted of child trafficking… to… no one? No clients? It’s evident who participated (Clinton, Bill Gates, Alan Dershowitz etc) but they’re all too powerful and elite to actually get taken down.
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What in the QAnon bullshit is this? The list above has been repeatedly debunked on this thread. It’s just photoshop and garbage photoshop at that.
I’m confused. I don’t see Meghan on there
Look at the name missing and a story saying he has been…extreme BS on this list. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/30/us/ghislaine-maxwell-pilot/index.html
Be mad. The article linked is from the trial. 😂😂
Yeah i’m sorry but this list is bullshit. Donald Trump isn’t listed on there
He flew once but not to Epstein’s island.
Fake.
Note stickied comment at the top. The list is confirmed to be fake.
I am shocked to see my Senator on this list...but then again she gave Meghan the phone numbers to the other senators. So not really surprised.
After multiple people have said this has been debunked why are you still responding to it as though it is fact?
KG gave MM the private cellphone numbers of other senators...it was really inappropriate of her.
You’re “shocked” to see your senator’s name on a fake list that has been repeatedly debunked on this thread?
I don’t believe this list
Note stickied comment at the top. The list is confirmed to be fake.
I'd like to see who visited more than one time. Maybe some people went the first time, not realizing what was going on/happening.
Clinton did 37 times and a painting of him a dress and red heels was at the mansion
Prove this pls. Bill?
Supposedly sealed documents are being requested to be opened
Okay -- that could be interesting. Where did you hear or read that? Because I want to know the source so I can decide if the source is credible or not.
“Social Media”. Just like her source for this post-as she stated lol.
Please note stickied comment at the top.
The stickied note was attached 8 hours after I wrote my comment.
Me too. I don't know enough to make a judgement
Yeah, let's suppose he invited me and I was clueless. I go and maybe see some questionable things or people having questionable discussions (maybe trying to see how I feel about certain things). If that happened, I would know that these are not the type of people that I want to associate with, and I would never go again. So to me, even if someone did go, I still don't know the whole story so I cannot make a judgement (like you said).
Exactly
A list of who’s who. Meghan might feel excluded and claim she’s been there. 😂 Because this is a list of clients, not workers.
Did everyone who went know what was happening and who Epstein really was? Harvard was even backing him for a long time
That’s one question we have yet to find out. It appears that perhaps Epstein and Ghislanie took the brunt of it but more “players” were involved. Why was the list Ghislanie gave to authorities never released to the public?
Because a lot of the authorities they handed the list to are probably on it lol
This is exactly why. And people even higher up than that.
Yup. From all professions, faiths and political affiliations
Found this webpage. It's very helpful because otherwise you're just scrolling through the orig text, cannot search. [https://epsteinsblackbook.com/](https://epsteinsblackbook.com/)
Honestly, the people who keep posting unverifiable info or info that is easily proven false need to have their posting privileges taken away. Seriously making this sub look bad and annoying af.
This list has been banned so many times. But ever since Balenciaga scandal and Elon buying twitter it’s being resurrected. Justice has been delayed… but it’s coming
List is fake
I hate every time this list pops up. I hate that people I like are on it. I like to think Rainn Wilson and Patton Oswalt were just part of the audience for a posh private Celine Dion/Gwen Stefani concert. But that only lasts for a moment or two before I remember creepers could be anywhere or anyone.
It’s a fake list, so don’t worry about it.
Oh thank you! I feel like a boob, but I'm relieved.
I get it! It’s so important to still have people to believe in.
It's just a list that some manipulative liar put together that includes a few people that are actually on the flight list to make it appear to be true. There is no source, it is not signed, it has no attribution. It is not real. Your peeps are likely as fresh and clean as you thought they were.
Please see the stickied comment above. A searchable database is found [here](https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey-epsteins-private-jets-2020-7?r=US&IR=T). Oswalt and Wilson don’t appear on the list. https://preview.redd.it/r7e50zq5emda1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=4559e096f38241e9859c49e51791126925c7c4e0
https://preview.redd.it/kq75osp6emda1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1d89cde134ee76edcfabff4b93fb2b8bd784ca7d
Leaving the fake list aside let's get serious for a moment, and try the guessing game for a bit using both what we know already about them, especially about Meghan mostly by now, and the fact they are fond of changing the storyline constantly, mostly when they don't want us to look to a certain part of the storyline. At this point I'm just waiting for someone to come forward on that whole part of her narrative, and say exactly what they saw her did... or didn't do while being a "yatch girl". I don't think Virgina G's lawyers were bluffling when they wanted to call her as a witness. Then again we all heard the rumours about SoHo House and what was really going on there, especially since the dates don't match. And finally, "the icing of the cake", the fact Meghan herself proved already she doesn't mind using people she is with to advance her career. Does this mean she took it a step too far? I don't know and honestly I don't care (her choices honestly but per her own narrative crap should that be the case, I'm curious as to how she could spin it out to come up unscathed from such a thing) but the signs are there, all that weird trips she did, and the visits to Ireland going to shady discos were everyone knows something goes on the side, maybe nothing happened but her whole attitude to remark otherwise makes you ask yourself whether there is, or isn't, smoke behind the fire. In any case, time would eventually tell...
The original list I saw in 2015/16 the name was 'Charles Windsor'
This list doesn’t shock me one bit, sorry