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king_nubert

Nendo is Nendo?


sa1har

kokomis brother is trash?


moc_is_moc

Midori is Riki?


WinterTechnical9590

Kusou is Saiki?


moc_is_moc

Kuusuke is Saiki?


WhiteFireflies

Yes. He even admitted it indirectly when he said something like: "and you‘ve been a tsundere for a longer time than me" -> to his grandpa


yesboi300

No


666Sailor_Moon666

No, because he doesn’t get mad like a tsundere + if someone said he was a tsundere he would just walk away, whereas a tsundere would probably shout in your face “NO I’M NOT! SHUT IT IDIOT!” or something like that. He doesn’t seem to be a tsundere externally or internally like his grandfather. Yes, he didn’t want to accept Kaidou, Nendou, Teruhashi + the rest were his friends but I think that’s just because he is a antisocial guy who doesn’t want to believe he needs friends. The only thing he blushes for is food. He’s aro ace and for to identify as a dere (which is how you show your *romantic* love most of time), especially tsundere seems wrong, dere(dere) literally is the onomatopoeia for lovestruck.


kokomihater

i was kinda just looking at the parts where he makes up excuses to help his friends even though he makes it so clear he "doesn't want to."


666Sailor_Moon666

I think that’s because he’s kind but doesn’t want to be seen as some friendly idiot (not that I’m saying friendly people are idiots).


WinterTechnical9590

Bro, you don't need to be an angry/violent/rude to be a tsundere. Tsunderes are cold on the outside, but slowly warms up to others. That is what Saiki is, the guy is cold to everyone such as his friends and family, but as the series progress he starts to warm up to them and call them his friends. We are talking about Saiki who followed Kaidou and helped him all the while he describes him as "some annoying guy who follows me home all the time" which is an extremely tsundere thing to do. Plus what does Saiki being arguably Aroace have to do with anything? Platonic tsunderes exist, his grandpa is literally a Platonic tsundere. Another thing is, Saiki being Aro ace isn't necessarily true in canon, however if you headcanon it, then there is no reason to being rude about it when someone have a different opinion. Edit: also it is asocial, antisocial is used dos aspd, which is a personality disorder.


uBowiethedog

They weren’t rude about it though? They said ‘no’ because the title is phrased as a question and they gave their answer why.


666Sailor_Moon666

Thank you for sticking up for me on that 😊


WinterTechnical9590

English isn't my first language, so I might be using the word wrong lol.


666Sailor_Moon666

I apologise if i came across as blunt but I have Autism and that makes me have no filter + kinda blunt, even if I didn’t have autism that made me like that and I just was blunt I would still apologise, so please don’t say it’s an excuse, it’s just my reason, and I often don’t think about my wording but I really don’t think I was rude. I see you said English isn’t your first language but the way you put everything was very good but you think you got the wrong word for that small sentence? You phrased everything perfect for that word though, I can’t think of any words in its place that would make the way you phrased it any better than using ‘rude’, I can only think of worse words. I don’t want to be rude but I think you meant it and know what you said even if it is your second language. I can see you are panicking now others see you are wrong and want to palm off by saying English is your second language. Do I believe it’s your second language? Yes. Do I believe you put it wrong because of that? No. Why can’t you just say sorry for saying that rather than giving an excuse? I’ve apologised for being blunt.


WinterTechnical9590

It is fine, I have friends with autism as well, so I understand being blunt, plus, this is through text which can be hard to tell the tone of voice. If you like I can give you the definition I thought rude is, when writing this I meant it as in someone who speaks as if they have the facts even if it wrong. This happens sometimes, like this one time I was having a conversation with someone and got confused with the word possible meaning that is very likely to happen and not a chance it might be happening. I probably use the internet more than reading a book which may be a cause of my confusion between words, since I see that word being used whenever someone is saying something wrong as if it is correct. Anyways that it too much explaining on that mistake. I apoligize as well for using a word without being 100% sure on the meaning of it, checking the definition now, I realized that I must have came off as mean or possibly aggressive. Next time I will try to make sure I am using the right words before saying something like that again.


666Sailor_Moon666

Thank you for apologising. “Someone who speaks as if they have the facts even if it is wrong.” I think a better definition of a person like that is a know-it-all or sometimes someone who either doesn’t realise they are coming across like because I really didn’t realise I was coming across like that. I can see what you mean with your opinion about him being a tsundere, in my opinion he acts more like kuudere but he does seem to have a trait or two from tsundere descriptions.


kokomihater

no they weren't saying the op was rude, they were saying tsunderes don't have to be rude. did you read the post??? "Bro, you don't need to be an angry/violent/rude to be a tsundere." catch that last part? "to be a tsundere."


uBowiethedog

Did *you* read *my* comment? The person I replied to said “Then there is no reason to be rude about it when someone has a different opinion.” I wasn’t saying tsunderes have to be rude. I said that the other person *wasn’t* be rude.


666Sailor_Moon666

Um ok, yes it is a head canon but he doesn’t show any romantic interest and seems to avoid that stuff completely. Yes there can be platonic tsundere but dere(dere) literally means lovestruck and it is used to show how they show there love but mostly in romantic/sexual ways. In my opinion he is more like a kuudere. Here’s a Wikipedia description of a tsundere: Tsundere is a Japanese term for a character development process that depicts a character with a personality who is initially cold, stern, stoic, harsh, temperamental, hotheaded before gradually showing a warmer, friendlier side over time. The only thing he is on this list is cold. The dere types wiki description of a kuudere: A kuudere refers to a character who is often cold, blunt, and cynical. They may seem very emotionless and stoic on the outside, but on the inside, they’re very caring, at least when it comes to the ones they love. He ticks a lot of these boxes. Yes, my bad on the antisocial thing, I meant asocial lol, but yes it is used as a personality disorder but if you look up about antisocial vs asocial, it is also used as a description of a person. I wasn’t rude, I was just saying my opinion, I never swore, called them anything nor did I say their opinion was bad, I just gave my opinion that he wasn’t a tsundere + I said ‘No’ because the post was phrased as a yes or no question.


WinterTechnical9590

In canon he does show an interest in it and there are many times it have been brought up that he may feel romantic attraction and possibly sexual attraction. For example, in the chapter where Teruhashi became a gyrau Mokoto gave Teruhashi a fortune telling. Her job was to make sure Teruhashi stops bothering Saiki, so she told a truth and a lie. The truth was that Saiki is attracted to "people who are true to themselves" and "sticks to their values unwaveringly" while the lie is how bad their compatibility is. When Teruhashi pointed out the truth, Saiki finally gave an 'offu' and immediately covers his mouth up when he realized (it would be strange if both a lie and he just 'offu'ed on that lie lol). Another time is when he had a chapter claiming that he "likes mystery novels much more than romance" then spends the entire time not being accurate to himself earlier by spoiling his mystery book by getting obsessed with a romance and get angry over a cliff hanger. For the second thing, I cannot change your mind on whether he is a tsundere of kuudere, for me though I do see it as both. We mostly see his tsundere side towards his dad and Toritsuka (and to a lesser degree he is a tsundere towards Teruhashi, Mokoto, and Nendou) while being a kuudere to everyone else. Honestly the labels have same, but not so same meaning a lot, so it might be confusing.


gbanerd

this is why I hate when people say hes asexual,he just takes after his grandfather,lol


kokomihater

i don't think our terms that define sexuality really apply to saiki, after all asexual people aren't attracted to anyone but saiki isn't attracted to anyone bc they all look like sacks of muscle and bones.


yesboi300

Asexual people aren’t sexually attracted to people. Aromantic people aren’t romantically


gbanerd

true,its much less not attracted,its more nothing attractive to look at,thus apathetic about it


kokomihater

yeah i think when he lost his powers and saw teruhashi he was at least slightly attracted to her


imfrenchcaribean

Tsundere doesn't always mean attraction, it's acting like you don't care abt other ppl when you actually do, and Saiki says in one episode something like "he's more tsundere than me" (can't recall what he actually said rn, might rewatch to check if I was wrong) about his grandad. You can be asexual and tsundere aswell


iam_sharky

He is ace tho, he said so in the early episodes. He doesnt feel romantic or sexual attraction, even tho he does still love his parents and friends and does find kokomi pretty.


kokomihater

he never said "i am ace," he said everyone looks like bones and flesh due to his x ray vision so he finds them grotesque. it always makes me uncomfortable when people say things like this bc it always implies that a character needs to be queer or labeled even though there's an in-universe explanation for it. if that's your headcanon no one's stopping you, but don't assert that he's your queer ace poster boy. i think he is actually attracted to kokomi when he sees her without his x ray vision or at least seems shocked or flustered which isn't a clear cut sign of "i have absolutely no romantic feelings towards people whatsoever."


iam_sharky

Right well most straight characters dont have to outright say that theyre straight. And like i said, you can think that someone is attractive and not want to date or fuck them. Her power is *being attractive* hes going to think shes pretty


moc_is_moc

true, aros and aces can still find someone aesthetically good-looking, even if they don't feel attracted then again, fuck Kusuo's sexuality discourse, this discourse is just bullshit, as long as we don't have confirmation, we can say he is gay, ace, straight, I mean he might be greyro or something (because i don't see him wanting to fuck someone lmao)


kokomihater

thank you. let people enjoy the show without making him a poster boy for whatever sexuality you want funny anime man to be.


moc_is_moc

We can all have different opinion, but I would say his orientations are ambigious, as long as they're not confirmed. I do think Kusuo is a tsundere, in the cool sense (so kuudere, I think they have a word for this kuutsundere), but mostly platonic. ​ The only thing that is heavily implied without his powers affecting it is that he is a sadist, at least in the everyday sense, you see someone in pain and you feel good, you like controlling them because it makes you feel good, or just the act of beating someone up is pleasant. Then again, I don't even know how to differentiate a platonic and romantic thing. Holding hands are normal platonic thing for me though it is just tiring to hold another hand, so why hold hand? No really why put in more effort so you can stick your hand on your friend/lover. Just walk normally already?


kokomihater

well how do you know he wasn't attracted to her??? i mean he gave her some sort of reaction so obviously he saw her differently due to his x ray vision being turned off. also that "straight characters don't have to say i'm straight" point is dumb. if a protagonist is in a romantic relationship with the opposite gender they're straight. however aro ace is more difficult to identify through those criteria bc maybe they could just be uninterested in the people around them, or they're just too shy to date, or maybe they have x ray vision that makes people look like horrifying monsters. bottom line, the show has literally nothing to do with sexuality so idek why you're trying so hard to label him but your headcanon is your headcanon. that's fine. but stop trying to force it onto other people, bc i'm choosing to believe the literal in-universe explanation which is his x ray vision. his x ray vision makes him apathetic to animals like cats and dogs too, does that make him aro/ace to animals???


uBowiethedog

He doesn’t have to outright say “I am ace” the same way a gay character wouldn’t outright say “I am gay” or a straight character saying “I am straight”. It can be hinted at and if not outright stated, people are allowed to imagine that he is! I mean, saying he doesn’t feel romantic/sexual attraction seems to be pretty close to “I am aro/ace” to me, but that’s just my opinion. Anyone can imagine him how they want, and that’s great!


moc_is_moc

personally I think that he is aroace, because I have kind of a Kuusuke mindset for him: "monkeys are so below Kusuo" kind of like how I think if he is greyro, he would be pan, because again: gender is a monkey social construct, and Kusuo is above all those monkey things to be fair I don't use monkey, but the thoughts are mostly the same


kokomihater

yeah, i specifically said if that's your headcanon fine. but i doubt him being aro or ace is canon, so don't say it like it's a fact. again, saiki isn't attracted to people bc his x ray vision makes them look grotesque, not because he's aro or ace. there's literally an in universe explanation. if that's your headcanon, great, just don't state it as fact.


uBowiethedog

I never stated it as a fact, though. I quite literally said ‘that’s my opinion’.


kokomihater

i was referring to the og reply we both replied to...


uBowiethedog

Then perhaps you should’ve said that.