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SCP-2786: The Archetype

SCP-2786: The Archetype

SYwaves

Wonderful declass, Hydr0sion. looks like the big dumb button wins again


Hydr0sion

2786: nooo you cant just keep me in an eternal cycle foundation: haha big dumb button goes click


Cy-Guy

I’m a long time lurker of this sub and this declass and this comment alone has pushed me to comment to say thank you, I loved this read and you made me laugh so hard I disturbed my partner sleeping. Can’t wait for the next declass from you.


Hydr0sion

Thank you! It genuinely makes me happy to see that people enjoy what I write. Your praise gives me motivation to work harder on my next declass!


314kabinet

How come nobody mentioned all the references to Campbell's [The Hero with a Thousand Faces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces)? - The capitalized names of characters, items, and events in the fantasy narrative. - *"Flay the beast with a thousand heads"* - Most importantly, Sr. Researcher Campbell And probably others I missed.


regularabsentee

The monomyth is pretty much the point of the entire SCP too. Archetypes, the hero's journey, supernatural aid/meeting with the goddess. Crossing a literal threshold as well, pretty on the nose.


Hydr0sion

Great catch! This went flying over my head


ShadowsSheddingSkin

Yeah; it literally says "The hero's journey, it presents itself to me." It isn't exactly subtle; no offense meant to OP, what they've written here is good, but this probably needs another declass from someone familiar with at least the broad strokes of the monomyth.


Hydr0sion

I apologise for missing it out, I simply have never came across it before, and couldn’t really pick it out. However, I have a question though. Do you think the references to the story/monomyth contribute anything new into the article? I know it’s an interesting refrence, but do you think it brings anything new to the table, plot wise?


ShadowsSheddingSkin

I'd like to say outright there's no reason for apology. You didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying that it's a *very* important thing to miss, and thus warrants re-examination by someone with a bit more understanding of something the author was clearly calling attention to. The Monomyth, for reference, is kind of an important (or at least well-known) concept in studying comparative mythologies and narratives in general. It's not a story so much as the basis for a significant plurality of stories - the archetypical, no pun intended, example is Star Wars, which very deliberately hits every beat. It's a framework for the narrative behind a significant fraction of the heroes, stories, and myths you've heard of. Another name for it is The Hero's Journey, which is basically exactly what it is - the journey of a significant number of heroes in narratives across the world take. The archetype in the title is almost certainly referring to this one. Not knowing it is definitely a lot closer to never having heard of valency than never having heard of France, so it's definitely not some absurd lapse. Frankly, I'm not the most familiar with this particular SCP myself, other than remembering it as basically The Eternal Protagonist and the references to him being The Hero With a Thousand Faces peppered throughout contributing to that, but then, I wasn't saying that it should be redone by *me*. I was (am) kind of in the middle of an explosive situation in which I didn't (do not) have the time to go for an in-depth re-read and re-examine exactly how important it really is but felt that at least communicating that first part - that I'm not trying to be insulting or saying what you did here is fundamentally invalid - as quickly as possible was critical. When my life / family / everything is no longer exploding, I promise to go about performing that re-read and editing this reply to honestly reflect if I think it actually does impact it enough to be as important or fundamental as I thought at the time of my original comment or if I was completely in the wrong. I hope I make it really clear that this isn't a cop-out to get out of admitting I was wrong, it's just that I'm probably in the process of most of my family permanently burning bridges with the rest of it and can't really get away from the screaming matches long enough to give this the attention it deserves given my initial extraordinary claim.


Hydr0sion

Don’t worry, you are under no obligation to give me an answer, it’s great that you pointed something I missed out to me. I am glad that you pointed it out to me, and I strongly believe that discussions like this is exactly what should be done in this subreddit: an active engagement and discussion between the declassifier and the readers. I’ll definitely come back to relook at this again sometime in the future. Thank you for your input!


regularabsentee

Yes, discussing the monomyth in relation to 2786 is absolutely crucial to any declass done on the SCP I believe. Calibration 3, the lengthy prose, as a whole was written by the author to [broadly] hit the notes of the monomyth. Kind of like the monomyth as archetypal and campy as they come. Calibration 5 features Campbell, the author of the Hero With A Thousand Faces and the guy who created the theory of the monomyth, as a foundation researcher. The monomyth is also depicted as a cycle or circle. One of the stages is that the Hero returns to their old world/life, permanently changed by their journey. The SCP also begs the question of "what if the Hero never completes the cycle? What if the Hero is sguck in the circle?" In this skip, the hero doesn't get to return. The threshold is closed. A lot more connections, too many to write down in a comment really. The article is just seeped in monomyth theory. The declass is already pretty good right now (I like the insights about containment!), but it really is incomplete without discussing Campbell, in my opinion.


Hydr0sion

Thank you for your input! I’ve re read my declass and the scp and thought through things again, and I would like to clear things up a little better: I’d say that my 2786 declass was more of a technical declass, focusing on what the scp is and how it is contained rather than how it is associated or presented. Of course, this would mean that not all grounds of the scp would have been covered, just like the monomyth that has been mentioned above. The monomyth would probably fall better under a literary/rhetorical declass, instead of what I have written here. This might be something that I/someone else can revisit later on, I personally think that the analysis of the monomyth can be combined with a more artistic analysis of this scp, and be presented as a contesting piece for the upcoming literacy declass contest.


regularabsentee

No problem! I'm still of the mind that The Hero's Journey still needs to be discussed in a technical declass (though not necessarily in-depth), since the Foundation pretty much used/weaponized the monomyth against the Hero as seen in Recalibration 3. They trapped him inside the Hero's Journey. But hey, as I said, declass was already enjoyable enough as is. No pressure man!


Hydr0sion

I've added a few more lines on the monomyth. Hope this helps make the declass more complete!


TastyBrainMeats

Of course, it only takes one fanfic for 2786 to escape...


Hydr0sion

2786 will probably commit suicide after seeing the types of fanfics we have in this cruel world I reckon he's actually safer trapped in the foundation


decoy321

And then someone will just recalibrate.


Hydr0sion

Tw— two consecutive declasses on two consecutive days?? This was a pretty fun declass to do. Oh, and Volgun made a really sick readthrough for this scp as well, you can find that [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoJb9u-c1vc) (I actually used the comment section here to get a better idea of what the community thinks of this scp)


tundrat

While re-reading the SCP, found something new that seems worth a mention (edit: I mean in the declass). During calibration 4 among the blue text of its dialogue the bold letters say >!I SEE YOU!<.


Hydr0sion

Uhh mind pointing where this is out for me? I still can’t seem to spot it after re reading the 4th calibration


tundrat

I was reading on mobile as I was also reading the declass. Now I'm writing this on PC but indeed it's harder to see even though I know it's there. Zooming in helped. https://i.imgur.com/PPHhEBp.png


Hydr0sion

Wew, nice catch! This certainly does ramp up the creepy factor a lot. Maybe it is to show us 2786 overpowering the initial containment procedure the foundation has set for him?


cooly1234

They see the reader?


Morbidly_Queerious

> we are not a fictitious piece of work How sure of that are you? We're seeing him, after all, as a trapped character we sympathize with, taking on heroic roles... Besides, fictionalization is inherently relative...


Hydr0sion

2786 can only alter fiction. I believe that us being able to see him in this article is no different from seeing him in a horror movie he has altered. Besides, sympathy is subjective. You have to remember that 2786 ends up screwing whatever it alters. I don’t really think everyone will sympathise with him when he essentially destroys whatever entertainment value is in the horror media pieces he intervenes in.


CRtwenty

Just pointing out that in one of the iterations there's a direct link to S Andrew Swann's SCP 001 proposal. Which is based on The Foundation realizing their entire universe is a fictional creation on a website. To me that's confirmation of your theory as to why 2786 was able to manifest in a Foundation site. Since at the end of the day The Foundation is just as fictional as the other things it appeared in.


BillNyeXD

That actually makes sense.


Eren_Kruger_the_Owl

Well, thats what happens when you fuck with the Foundation lmao. It has like 10 backups plans before the 25 first ones even happened.


21stCenturyPygmalion

One of my favourite SCPs. Cheers to your breakdown of it.