Homelessness is what we should be fighting, not the homeless themselves :c

But helping them takes *money*! Of course, hurting them in this fashion and r/hostilearchitecture *also* takes money, but most folks don't care as long as they don't have to see it.

It would be hilarious knowing that it’s actually cheaper to give homeless people money than it is to spend money to try to “get rid” of them. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so incredibly cruel and obviously evil what they’re trying to do now

Problem also is a lot of them prefer living the way they do. Talk to many of them like I have, you'd be surprised how many just DON'T want to change.

I learned the hard way. What would be the best solution in this case? I don’t know of any. Even with affordable housing. They won’t want it. I worked with an organization who worked hard to get some of our homeless clients free housing and they walked away.

A lot of people don't want to hear this. But it's the reality. It's no different then an addict. If they don't want the help, no amount of recourses is going to change that. Now, I'm in no way saying that there are a vast amount of recourses for these people. But there is a percentage of them that wouldn't take advantage of them anyways.

It's NIMBY. Ironically most people would want homeless people to get the help they need. Cause if you can help a homeless person get back on their feet, that's another worker, consumer, tax payer, and so on. Those are good things. What people don't want is those Shelters, Halfway houses, rehabilitation centers, and so on, in their communities.

My worry is these people are being driven out of these spaces when the city has nowhere for them to go.

They are sleeping in the storefronts on Monroe-I’m guessing other displacement from Fringe Fest area- saw 3 or 4 ods Tuesday and Wednesday

I hope not. It should be illegal under Martin v. Boise. At least where I live now, they skirt this law by offering congregate shelter, which does not work for many people for many different reasons (living with a partner of a different gender, cannot store their things in congregate shelter, have to give up their RV, have a pet, etc). Then when people refuse it is "legal" to sweep the encampment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._Boise

"In 2019, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal of the case, leaving the precedent intact in the nine Western states under the jurisdiction of the Ninth Circuit (Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington)." Eitherway, the city has shelters.

Sooooo much this^

If you actually know any homeless people displaced by this (rather than conjecture), please contact [P](https://pcho.org/)[erson Centered Housing Options](https://pcho.org/) so they can provide outreach to that person.

I used to hand out food to the homeless in my old city, but I just moved up here and don't know where the communities are. Especially with how cold it gets id like to stop by a goodwill and pickup a ton of blankets and stuff to give out. Where are some of the other camps people stay around where it'd be good to hand blankets out?

New Tent City / Open Door Mission https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/new-city-sanctioned-homeless-encampment-opens-in-rochester/

I feel like you just made up a lot here. You have no evidence these trees are being removed to prevent homeless encampments. There are numerous routine reasons for shrubbery removal. If you have evidence please post it! I’m not saying it’s impossible but it’s totally speculation on your part.

The city made 490 farmers (across the street from this pic) get rid of their free food pantries before granting them a permit this summer I wonder why

They did so because the 490 farmers (who I support) overstepped the original agreement they had to be there in the first place. You can be one of the good guys and still deserve a bit of a smackdown when you break a promise you made. (Multiple promises in this case.)

oh no they overstepped the completely imaginary and made up rules that some asshole made decades ago, all in the name of… feeding people. gasp.

All rules are made up… 490 went beyond what their permit was for and at an unfortunate time when so many other community gardens are trying to make changes in this city regarding urban agriculture laws and such

Really dude, they overstepped...

Which has what to do with this?

That free food pantry provided a route by which people could help feed the homeless community, and provide education + resources.

So that means they were cutting don trees to punish the homeless today?

It isn't conclusive, but you can draw a clear pattern is behavior of decisions made by the city and DOH that have had direct negative effects on this community.

This is not how evidence works. It’s not even the simplest conclusion. You, OP, and others are citing a cruel conspiracy to displace a homeless population with conjecture and a completely unrelated incident. Maybe you’re right! I would never be shocked at cruelty to members of our community. But at this point you are all very mad at the story you wrote in your head.

That there's a concerted effort to remove the homeless population is only something someone can deny if they're willingly not paying attention. Even that "No Trespassing" sign is new within the last year.

Every city is at war with homelessness. You're arrogant if you don't believe so

These are the kinds of things you say when you know the original claim is nonsense.

Down votes say otherwise little man

It’s a lot easier to not believe in the absolute cruelty that the unhoused face from the state. I get not wanting to believe it. Either way, regardless of the “reason” on paper, this is a cruel act against people who have nothing.

>I've been told this was sparked by a retired judge who bought a townhouse on Broadway, and hated the aesthetic of the homeless community. Yep. No actual basis for anything they're actually saying. There are plenty of normal reasons DOT does tree removal and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a local judge who bought a townhouse doesn't have enough pull to make DOT cut trees down. That's a pretty long mental bridge to walk across.

I can't say anything about this situation but during the 2020 protests the city cut down a line of trees in front of the Public safety building because it blocked the view of the sidewalk from the building and the tacticool cops were scared.

The city manages city roads and the vegetation around them. I don't doubt that happened. This is DOT (state) and on property adjacent to the highway.

I wouldn’t be shocked. But this post is a lot of anger over a story the OP created in their head.

I should have posted the pictures of the junk hauling trucks from the other day.. but I cannot in this response. In the neighborhood it is well known that there are homeless people sleeping in this tree line. You don't have to believe me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m not skeptical there was a homeless encampment. I’m skeptical they are cutting down trees to prevent a homeless encampment. That’s a big accusation you’re making with no evidence.

Why are you so skeptical? Governments regularly go out of their way to displace homeless populations. This isn't something new or even out of the ordinary.

Because claims need evidence. There is enough to get mad about in the world without inventing things.

They came a week ago, cut down very minimal trees that just open the encampment's visibility... the areas they are focusing on are specifically where the homeless sleep. I'm not sure if you're familiar with this stretch of Broadway. At the corner of Meigs and Broadway there is a tree shaded area where tents were located, and at the corner of Meigs and Averill was the same. Guess where they focused their time and energy.

I’m not sure what else to say. You have not offered a shred of evidence this was being done to drive away the homeless. I just can’t maintain fury without evidence.

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/dot-490farmers-west-garden-permit-revoked-changes-required-for-east-garden/

That’s a totally different thing. And I was mad about it! Registered complaints with my state reps about it. But what you posted today seems like normal maintenance.

The encampment was removed 5+ months ago. A week or 2 ago another encampment was developing. Last week, they started cutting trees near those encampments. A couple days ago, a junk hauling company removed the encampment... today, they are clearing all of the trees in these areas. I'm just connecting dots 🤷🏻‍♀️

How conspiracy theoristy of you

You have to balance the humanity of the situation with the public health hazard that occurs when garbage and biowaste aren’t being disposed of in a sanitary way

It's not well known. I've never seen anyone at all sleeping in there. Part of the problem here is you're assuming the people in that area that stand in the 490 exits asking for change-are homeless.. They are not at least not most of them. They are also making good money holding up traffic on the exits.. Way more money than you think they are. There's a reason it's a popular spot to loiter on exits like that. That was one of the issues with the farmers donation pickups.. They were constantly holding up traffic. Holding up traffic might not seem like much of an issue but it's a danger.. especially on Broadway where people think it's ok to go 50 mph in a 30 in the right lane. I think he DOT was just maintaining the overgrown area.. it's not like the DOT cares about the homeless one way or another. In addition.. highland park is about a ten minute walk from there- Max. There is no shortage of trees to sleep under in highland park or Cobbs hill in the other direction.. not to mention the many other wooded areas in the neighborhood.

I don't believe you

That’s what people like this do though. Complain about a problem but have the least involvement in it. I’m willing to bet OP just drives right by these people and really never noticed until it was apparent and something to bitch about. “Oh dot cutting down trees (in a climate crisis none the less)”. If it wasn’t for dot cutting down trees and say rpd just moved in and packed these people up, op wouldn’t have shit to say. You wanna know how I know, rpd displaces the homeless on a daily basis. Where was op when they bulldozed tent city for a skate park? I bet sitting at their house in gates where they can go home and forget about what they see on their drive home. Willing to bet op doesn’t even live in the city and hasn’t done a thing significant for the homeless community besides bitch when they’re displaced

Did you know that sometimes it’s necessary to take down healthy trees to stop the spread of pests and disease such as the ash borer that’s been killing everything in sight over the last few years?

I do, but I don't believe that was their sole intention. They have brought junk hauling trucks several times clearing out the homeless encampments, and put up those No Trespassing signs after the retired judge complained. So, it's hard to see past all of the previous actions against the homeless community. Not to mention, I've had to call the city before to have them take care of this property due to ticks...

Illegal dumping and trespassing are still crimes regardless of housing status. It sucks for innocent people who may have been affected, but there’s a lot of speculation in your post and I’m just sort of anti-sensationalism in general.

Illegal dumping and trespassing laws are designed to criminalize homeless people

Illegal dumping by another (housed) party hurts homeless people far more frequently than the law criminalizes them; it's much more often used as a tool to hurt homeless people by dumping shit on their encampments and destroy them or make them uninhabitable; not as an excuse to take their belongings away. Furthermore, dumping hazardous materials in the wrong place can very quickly become a public health crisis and dumping any solid waste can become a huge ecological issue. Illegal dumping contributes to wildfires, habitat destruction, soil and water contamination, and disturbance of wildlife among other issues. If we're truly concerned about the climate crisis, cleaning up the trash and disposing of it properly is far more productive than crying about a few under-tended trees being removed. As for trespassing, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about that topic; you could be right. However, that doesn't make it any less illegal and again, the homeless and the housed are both expected to follow the same laws in that regard. Again, I'm sorry to any innocent people affected by this. It sucks; maybe a few bad actors ruined everything for other people just trying to get by. But claiming that any legislation was designed to hurt a group of people with zero evidence or sources to back up that claim is still sensationalism that I can't get behind.

What led you to believe this retired judge thing?

I read “ash borer” as “ash boner” 🫨😅

Has anyone called the DOT? Also to the 490 farmers aspect which I’m an active donor too, where was that confirmed?

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/dot-490farmers-west-garden-permit-revoked-changes-required-for-east-garden/

Again what did the DOT say and the city of Rochester? I know what laws 490 farmers were using to occupy the space. I want what the DOT said not 490 farmers

I get what you're saying, and generally agree, but DOT might just not have made a statement

You can call the dot which OP should have done before posting a theory. That’s all I’m saying - the dot will tell you, public information and since the photos is AI bullshit enhanced I can’t tell if it was contracted out, which if it was then I know exactly who to call and ask. So now instead of a 10 minute phone call to validate information - we have whatever this is. Even when the 490 happened which OP also linked NO ONE confirmed why or what violation and even 490 farmers made the situation worse by not sharing anything.

https://reddit.com/r/Rochester/s/h2ARyyocu5 Yes. It can be confirmed.

You are not confirming anything here. Did the DOT say that? No 490 farmers did, what did the dot and the city of Rochester say? You need to provide actual proof Vs the hearsay you literally submitted in your post.

Contact Tom Finch at dot

490 Farmers had repeatedly exceeded what DOT had given them permission to do, both in the land being used and what it was being used for.

There has been a sign there for decades stating that it's DOT property, and not to trespass.

That sign popped up like 3 months ago

This is an outright lie, no offense. Those signs were placed months ago, after clearing out the encampment.

I don't know. I've been peeing along that fence line for years after leaving bars and there's been signs to my knowledge stating that it's DOT property. Anywho, if I'm wrong, that's still DOT property, they've made it clear that they own that land and people shouldn't be on their land for safety reasons.

To your knowledge? I've lived in this neighborhood for nearly a decade, and can assure you that those signs were just put up months ago.

So that's a sign to vacate the area then, right? 3 month notice, that's longer than some landlords give their tenants

Also, public urination is illegal... why don't you need to follow the rules???

Because I have yet to get caught... I'm cool with people camping off grid, but it's a race against the clock, whether it's urban or rural.

Just because you haven't been caught doesn't make it right 🤣 come on, man.

So according to your logic because that homeless encampment hasn't been busted prior to yesterday, then it doesn't make it right.

I'm arguing that you aren't free from wrong doing. Also, I'm guessing you have a far different life experience than those who are unhoused. So, you should be grateful.

They had a billionaire just say this past week that we need 40 to 50% unemployment, that we (other billionaires ) "need to put pain into the economy", homelessness is a policy choice. https://fortune.com/2023/09/13/australia-real-estate-ceo-tim-gurner-pain-in-economy-avocado-toast/

Agreed. For poverty to exist in the richest country in the world is mind boggling.

wow these comments suck a lot

It's useless to have these conversations with people who don't want to listen to unhoused people or challenge the validity of laws.

Truuuuuuuuu

on one hand, it sucks people are displaced. On the other hand- an overgrown vacant lot is truly not an option for a multitude of reasons. All that said, im sure the DOT workers don't want to be there as much as you don't want them there. They aren't Hazmat workers, they aren't getting hazard pay for this and yet they have to deal with needles, feces and hazmat situations. The issues of the homeless population are thrown on HIGHWAY workers. That should be the real topic of this thread. The state DOT should not be stepping in taking care of a situation that should be dealt with by a hazmat crew and professionals designated by the city to deal with the homeless in a humane way. CSEA has absolutely fucked over DOT workers, they're making less than industry standard, they're skilled workers many with class A or class B licenses. Many are older guys roped in waiting for the clock to run out because they have so many years vested on a pension that is not keeping up with inflation. Young people are not taking these jobs because it's laughable how much they're underpaid and how terrible the benefits package is. So you have older guys with nowhere else to go- forced into situations like this. And literal fat cat union bosses go to steak dinners claiming they'll negotiate for them but NEVER do. And they aren't allowed to protest without the csea blessing, but the csea is so deeply tied with the state it'll never happen. and guess what, every other DOT worker outside of grunts are in a different union so there's legit zero incentive to improve the horrid situation CSEA workers face. CSEA is an insult to everything a union can and should be and this is a HUGE example of where they need to be stepping in. Taking care of a homeless camp is not the job of DOT tree crews. Fuck CSEA, fuck city officials for not finding a better situation to deal with this issue and throwing it on the grunts of the state who deserve better. i legit cannot stress how corrupt the csea union is.

This doesn’t look like the same area. First photo looks like Averill + Broadway, and the second photo looks like Averill closer to Meigs. Not sure if they are meant to be successive photos of the same area, but most of Broadway is relatively treeless anyway next to the street.

Correct, there are 2 different homeless encampments; Meigs and Broadway and the one on Averill and Broadway was better covered by the trees, so it wasn't always visible.

😡😡😡

The homeless have places to sleep. There are shelters specifically designed for this that will house and feed them. The homeless that choose to set up camp at this location are most likely doing it because of the proximity to the drug houses you stated and I would bet they provide a good amount of funding to these dealers.

Whenever I see comments like this I can't help but think of an interview I saw with a homeless person a while ago in which they were asked "Why don't you just go to a shelter? It's warm, it has food, etc" Their answer was "Because when I'm in a shelter I'm sleeping six inches from sick people who are constantly coughing on me all night, who are always trying to steal my things, who try to crawl into bed with me at 2AM and fondle me, who randomly punch me. I don't get that when I'm in my tent."

What you’re really saying is that there are places they can go but they don’t like it. I get the quality is going to suck, but you’re not gonna say at the Ritz for free. But you do what you have to. Sheltered locations are safe, stocked with food and medical staff is available if you get sick. These places work in line with programs that will help you get back on your feet and introduce you to low end jobs. None of these options exist in the homeless camps being set up on the sides of roads. Being homeless isn’t permanent. It’s not easy to get out of, but you better believe that shelters will give you an actual way out, as where camps will just continue the cycle.

It’s not just a matter of being uncomfortable, it’s a matter of feeling safe. If you’re threatened or hurt or otherwise endangered in the shelter, then you’re obviously going to leave. The fact that these people are homeless doesn’t mean they should have to live in 19th century tenement houses. There’s a colossal distance between asking for basic standards and asking for the Ritz.

I mean it's not the Ritz but a little sexual assault and battery is what you have to put up with to not inconvenience this guy. Come on.

Dude, when the **homeless guy** is saying he prefers living in a tent over the shelter, there is a very obvious problem here and it's with the shelter.

Tell me you know nothing about the homeless without telling me you know nothing.

Wow! Your cold, black heart is very visible in your comment.

Thanks for your opinion. I would like to hear your perspective on the matter of shelters vs camps for breaking the cycle of homelessness.

Wasn't there a murder in a homeless shelter not that long ago? Oh yeah, there [was](https://www.rochesterfirst.com/crime/1-dead-1-hospitalized-after-stabbing-at-rochester-house-of-mercy-homeless-shelter/). Being in a confined and communal space with addicts, the physically/mentally ill, and the desperate knowing that any one of them could could go off one way or another must make for a good night's sleep. This isn't just a Rochester issue. I've spoken with homeless people in my current city and get a very similar perspective to the one posted above. Shelters tend to house the most desperate, ill, or naïve of the homeless. The homeless that still have their wits about them avoid sleeping in them for their own safety.

Go there yourself and see

Oh no now they can't camp out right next to their drug house and have to use the shelters that attempt to make them stay sober

I live in Portland OR, the homeless capitol of the US right now, and I'm pretty disappointed to see Rochester doing this. All this does is increase the chances of the homeless moving to the cities streets and creating more of an issue, the least they can do is allow a community in a tree filled unused area where they aren't bothering people

Portland is another great example of liberalism gone mad.

Great job Rochester. just move and shoe the homeless away so you don't have to look at them. then go back to ignoring the problem all together.

when you say 'Rochester', you mean all of Rochester, right?

This is disgusting. A retired judge shouldn't have any say in this, just because it looks unsightly. Now they're out of a place to "live" peacefully and have to live even more "unsightly" on the actual streets. And people laughing at the mention of climate crisis, do you not know how hot it gets under the sun with no shade, during summers? People are dying from that in other parts of out country now. It's just a matter of time till we go passed a global 1.5c? This is a slow apocalypse that will creep up to a point where it will get very bad, very fast. Go ahead a downvote me. It won't save us

🙏🏻

Like the ol saying goes: It helps to know people.

Good, homeless encampments should not exist. We have shelters and resources for them. They don’t get to live in squalor on public land soaking up my tax money while they cover the area in trash, shit and needles. The mentally ill ones belong in institutions, the drug addicts belong in forced rehab. And I don’t care if you think I’m being cruel. What’s cruel is allowing unmedicated schizophrenic meth heads to inflict their illness on the rest of us. They’ve lost the right to self determination.

Then take that up with your conservative elected officials who systematically voted for decades to reduce spending to everything you mentioned. Can’t have it both ways.

We have plenty of resources, they go unused because they don’t let you smoke crack in shelters and that’s all that matters to the long term homeless.

They go unused?? You mean the shelters that more often than not have to turn people away because they're full??

Go touch grass! Rochester shelters are at crisis level capacity consistently. There is not enough housing or shelter for the homeless. And although I'm sure you'd prefer they just die somewhere, according to the cositution, they have right to exist just as much as smug, pompous sister puckers like you. 👍🏻 You sound mentally ill, Patriot!

I sincerely hope you never have to experience being unhoused, because people like you will behave like this. And you would see just how quickly being unhoused can ruin your mental health. Being inhumane and without empathy for people in your community isn’t the flex you think it is. You’re a lot closer to becoming unhoused than you are to becoming rich.

I’m the inhumane one? I want them off the streets getting treatment while you think it’s fine to let them wallow in filth and used needles.

> I want them off the streets getting treatment What treatment and where? There are no social safety nets in this country. We treat the mentally ill and the drug-addicted as criminals rather than humans who need assistance. What purpose does driving them out of these camps serve when there is nothing waiting for them?

You think cutting down trees is treatment? You think people *want* to live in “homeless encampments”? Are you incapable of putting yourself in the shoes of another person? I thought you didn’t care if people thought you cruel. You think it’s cool to be like this.

> You think people want to live in “homeless encampments”? Yes, they absolutely do. You have this stupid idolized image of homeless people just being down on their luck. The long term homeless who live in these camps refuse any assistance besides handouts because they want to get high and do whatever the fuck they want. >You think cutting down trees is treatment? It's a bandaid on the larger problem that no local area can solve. Treat your homeless better than the surrounding areas and they'll move to your town or literally be bussed in. If you're homeless the only option should be a shelter, not some crack haven near known drug houses.

I have been unhoused and it wasn’t so I could sit around and do drugs all day - plenty of resources available to these people, this is a lifestyle choice.

Your story is not the norm.

> Being inhumane and without empathy for people in your community isn’t the flex you think it is. Being inhumane would be to allow these people to continue to trash the area, and slip ever more into drug addiction. Tent cities are public health hazards, they're unsightly, and they promote crime. To allow these things to grow *is inhumane*. Just look at San Fransisco as to what happens when you allow this activity to continue. Do you want Rochester lined with tents? Our streets filled with human feces, and used needles? Rampant retail theft?

Oh no!!! Not *unsightly*!!! My delicate eyes! Looking at human suffering and people out of options and instead of understanding that they need shelter, thinking that destroying whatever little semblance of home they can create for themselves is helping is just mind boggling to me. It’s helping you be able to ignore them and have a more *sightly* environment. These issues are a result of the failure of society and the unhoused are some of the worst victims of it. San Francisco has a huge unhoused population because of the housing crisis. People are being actively displaced. How do people not connect the dots?

Yeah, they need shelter. But allowing these tent cities to exist, ain't it.

So why focus on destroying the only place they feel they can go and not build shelter that would naturally dissolve these “tent cities”. Why be cruel to the victims and not instead turn those resources to getting them permanent housing? All this is, is cruelty.

> and not build shelter that would naturally dissolve these “tent cities”. We *have* shelters.

Do you really think that? I mean permanent shelter. There is plenty of info on what the “shelter” system is actually like. It’s not viable. If it was, people would use it.

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The fact that you're characterizing human beings without a place to live as "unmedicated schizophrenic meth heads" tells me literally everything I need to know about how much merit to give your opinion. Maybe read something on this topic...like one thing.

> you're characterizing human beings without a place to live as "unmedicated schizophrenic meth heads" Because they ARE. Have you interacted with long term homeless people? They aren't just people who are down on their luck, they're basically all addicted to serious drugs and unpredictably violent because of their abysmal mental health. The homeless ruin public spaces that belong to everyone. Want to go to a park? Sorry Larry the crackhead is chasing off anyone who comes near "his" bench. Want to go for a walk on a nature trail? Better watch out for spare needles and human waste. Want to go to a library? You can, but you're going to be around homeless people watching porn and masturbating at the public computers. Tell me this shit doesn't happen and I'll call you a liar. You don't end up on the streets for years because you hit a rough patch, you end up there because you've burned every bridge in your life and no friends and family will put up with your shit behavior anymore. And you sit here acting like letting deeply disturbed people do whatever they want is the humane solution.

>Because they ARE. Have you interacted with long term homeless people? They aren't just people who are down on their luck, they're basically all First of all, yes I have, but more importantly, groups of people are never "all" any one thing. Full stop. Homeless people are not all unmedicated, schizophrenic drug addicts. That is just provably false. It is so easy to prove that notion false that you are either very young (I hope) or making a bad faith argument. No one can argue your point that people who have untreated mental health conditions (even specifically schizophrenia) or a drug addiction are overrepresented in the homeless population. No disagreement there. I also don't disagree with you that some people who are homeless aren't trying very hard not to be. It makes me mad too. But the idea that EVERY person without housing is just chilling trying to find an easy way to get high is absurd. There are tons of reasons people become homeless. Look at how many LGBTQ teens are homeless in the US just for getting kicked out of their house by shitty parents. Stereotyping is always bad faith and leads to shitty logic. Just don't go down that road. Try to see people as individuals with shared experiences.

You do also know people say all cops are bad and sice you are on this reddit it's a good guess you have that theory. So why can't you grasp your head all long term homeless are crackheads.

...because I'm on the Rochester reddit I must think all cops are bad? That's some pretty wild logic there. Of course I do not think that. No group of people is all one thing. Ever.

The percentage is really high of that theory here, nothing is wild about it.

Most homeless people are recently homeless and you gotta be recently homeless to become long-term homeless. Also maybe this is hard to grasp but being homeless FUCKING SUCKS. It is what drives a lot of them to be addicts.

The recently homeless are not living in camps like this. They live in their cars, couch surf with friends and go to shelters where they have access to resources to become housed.

I’m genuinely curious and not making accusations or judgements, but OP, are you actively helping the homeless with volunteering or community engagement?

Every day.

We provide food, water, clothing, dog food and jackets (at one point), hand warmers, and conversation. I even have narcan on hand.

Open up your back yard and let them camp there, if that is not an option where would you suggest the homeless set up camp?

They can be transported to NYC. It's a sanctuary city and therefore set up to accept everyone.

Rochester calls itself a sanctuary city, and I'm not sure if you've paid attention to the news recently but the immigrant situation is a shit show in NYC. Almost like politicians virtue signaled by calling themselves sanctuary cities with no logistical plans to serve the immigrants in an effective way. Bouncing them around between different hotels isn't a solution. However, we are talking about the homeless population in Rochester, not immigrants. People that are addicted to drugs and have been in and out of shelters for years. People that don't want the help you try and offer them unless you are offering them money for drugs. It's sad, but it's the truth many don't want to accept.

Agree. I'm sure OP has a back yard as well as a floor next to his bed. Adopt a homeless

Like that scene from the Simpsons “You Only Move Twice.”

> How can they have no empathy for people in need? Because we have shelters and food pantries for these people to use. They should not be camping outside along freeways. These places are health hazards for the city, and only fuel illicit drug use.

I'm sure Trumpers are ok with this

I love how snowflakes still have the orange man on their mind that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Then not realizing Democrats you elected are the ones behind it.

Lol, snowflakes? You are the ones who are scared of a mask and a vaccine but will stuff your faces with McDonald's beef

I'm a vegan bro. Don't project your nasty habits on others.

Climate crisis?? Uh oh someone’s drank the kool aid, also the amount of needles, used drug bags, alcohol bottles, used condoms, broken bottles was an issue. I’m sure it has to do with more than what your putting out there.

Bro really ironed out his brain before that comment

Lol I mean I’ve done community clean/meet ups, find it funny how it’s a down vote.

Yep, drank every bit of it.

Rochester really shocks me on how ignorant y’all are. I literally stated a case with MULTIPLE ACTUAL AND FACTUAL things wrong with that and y’all down vote it. Lost minds wondering the internet. And dude that said I must be bored yup I was bored to comment and guess what….doesn’t take away from me being FACTUALLY CORRECT

I think you’re primarily being downvoted for your climate change denial.

Who denied climate change? I didn’t.

> Climate crisis?? Uh oh someone's drank the kool aid Can you see how it might be construed that way?

I can see how but again never denied it that would be silly, we all know climate change is real. It’s just humorous that people assumed what I meant when I never even stated that and I gave real life facts for why they could be getting rid of that patch. Also I’m pretty sure it’s like maintenance for the surrounding grass and other plants and trees. Thanks for actually having a conversation though hope you’re having a good day.

Can you help me understand what you meant by that climate change/kool-aid remark?

I get it but what have you done for the homeless community besides complain about the displacement of such individuals? When they took down tent city to build a skate park they moved elsewhere. The same they will do now. Against popular opinion there’s no way to solve the homeless crisis. Yes you have folks that are genuinely in a bad circumstance but for the most part the homeless community is rather due to choices than anything else. A lot of this community is ravaged with alcoholism and drugs. The people who are homeless given a circumstance usually find a resource to get them out of it. Not saying all folks who are homeless aren’t trying but in a large part you have to think about why they’re homeless to begin with. Also if you’re that up in arms about it, open your backyard to 3-4 of these displaced people. Or let them setup a tent city in your neighborhood. From what I’ve gathered people like to complain about the displacement but are the last to do anything about it in the first place.

Let them move in your back yard or on your block. Homeless people don’t care about the environment there are destroying they piss and shit where ever they please and they always have tons of garbage scattered around. If they cleaned up after themselves there wouldn’t be a problem.

Really taking care of the big problems

They have to cut the brush to prevent fires and obstacles from the lines. Look at Maui.

Just let the homeless live with you

All these folks worried about what the state might be doing here…I’m curious how many of them actually make any sort of concerted effort to address homelessness, aside from virtue signaling on Reddit.

Hey, how about you read the thread before posting... I've clearly explained how I've helped and supported the unhoused in this area. 👍🏻

Like I said, virtue signaling. You obviously haven’t done all that much.

After rereading again, your first post…I see nothing that mentions anything you’ve done, outside of this post. Keep up the good work. You’re making all the difference. lol.

Climate crisis? Lolllllll

Aww man, I'm sorry your mental health is struggling these days.

anyway we can get the names of those evil DOT workers, and cancel them?

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What if I told you that the addicts you’re speaking of are also probably homeless. And the homeless you’re mentioning are most likely addicts too.

Now they can put a McDonalds there so they can all get JOBS. And it won’t smell of poop.