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Heaven, Hell and Reincarnation?

Heaven, Hell and Reincarnation?

AlienUnaware

> Where does Heaven and Hell fit into reincarnation? Typically speaking, if we're constantly reincarnating then we never have the opportunity to end up in Heaven or Hell. Not necessarily. > So, for those who believe in reincarnation, that begs the question, do Heaven and Hell even exist? Perhaps not the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell, but I do believe that there's an afterlife that you return to between incarnations. > Or do you believe there's some sort of saintly good deed or notoriously evil sin that can cause us to forego reincarnation and be rewarded or punished with some permanent afterlife and never again reincarnate? I don't think it would require that, honestly. My belief is that you can choose to remain in the afterlife if you have no interest in reincarnating again.


selrahc_72

It truly would be nice if we had such a choice, but I believe that it's not up to us, beyond how our lives may influence how and where we go next. I see our lives as a test of sorts. If we live a good life, then we'll be rewarded with better opportunities in the next one, regardless of whatever form that may take. If we make poor choices, then that will reflect as fewer opportunities in the next life. Either way, I do not believe the choice is ours to make.


nigel4449

So when does that ever stop? So you look forward to a never ending cycle of reincarnating forever and ever with no end. That sounds like hell to me...


selrahc_72

Not exactly. Memories are fleeting. Memories of past lives can be even more so. When we fail to remember, we experience a refreshing newness, even if we've been down the same path a million times prior. Even so, I don't blame you if you need to believe there's a purpose and a design to it all. I think that's the source of many religions and the age old question, "What's the meaning of life?" I choose to believe the meaning of life is emotions, but love in particular. Emotions serve to motivate us. Take emotions away and what do we really have to look forward to in life?


nigel4449

No offense but that sounds miserable... so this could be my billionth time doing this but I just forgot all the other times. I believe at some point, maybe after 800 trillion lifetimes my souls will start to get tired... what say you?


selrahc_72

Perhaps. No one can really know. But that's kind of my point. Complete knowledge can easily facilitate misery. Sometimes, naivety is the key to happiness. Everyone is free to believe whatever they like, but no one can really know what happens after death. And my point is, it's often better not knowing.


JustJoshnINFJ

Youre never gonna die, never ever gonna die, never ever ever ever ever gonna die


selrahc_72

That wasn't really the question. I mean I agree the soul never dies, but the general idea of reincarnation is endless death, but also endless renewal. I'm just curious who might think there's somehow an end to it all in Heaven or Hell.


JustJoshnINFJ

No such thing as eternal Hell, and only those who reach true enlightenment get the choice not to come back. They can stay in "heaven" if they desire but most come back anyway because they are determined to help awaken humanity


selrahc_72

Interesting. I've heard that a time or two before. The idea that we have a choice in what happens to us after we die. I sort of believe that way. I believe our actions while we're alive affect what happens to us after we die, but aside from that, I think it's all out of our control.


JustJoshnINFJ

Most dont get the choice tho. And when i say most, i mean 99.999% will not get the choice for many hundreds of lifetimes. Hate to break it to ya, but chances are you'll be coming straight back to earth to try again after you die whether you like it or not


selrahc_72

It's perfectly fine with me to be reincarnated endlessly. I created this post to get other people's opinions. Personally, I don't believe in Heaven or Hell.


randomwords83

I think that’s pretty much opposite of what people who believe in reincarnation believe. There is no heaven or hell there’s just 1 place in the afterlife. The afterlife is where your soul resides and decides what lessons you want to learn in your next life time and what you have learned in previous life times. We have free will as humans to choose how we live day to day but our “lessons” will happen regardless of our free will because they are pre-planned.


selrahc_72

Pre-planned? That seems to suggest some form of guidance. If you believe in a god, who might provide that guidance, then I find it odd that god wouldn't also provide some form of permanent afterlife. Aside from that, 'pre-planned' seems the opposite of 'free will', in my opinion.


randomwords83

I don’t believe in “a God”. And sure it can sound that way but really there is so much to reincarnation theories/beliefs that it’s really challenging to break it down in small explanations and that’s about the most basic explanation. But yea both pre-planned and free-will.


xoxoyoyo

some would say that "incarnation" is "hell". We are adam and eve, eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and as a result we are "banished" from the "garden of eden"


altered-state

I really like how you put this :)


selrahc_72

If I'm understanding you correctly, you view Heaven and Hell as figurative or symbolic, not literal places, whether in the spiritual realm or not. Is that correct?


xoxoyoyo

you are essentially talking about some sort of frequencies. because they don't exist as experiences in the here and now, but might in some potential future, at which point you would be in the spirit realm and this world would become invisible to you. Nobody really believes heaven and hell are physical places you can go do, nobody believe the image of god is some dude with cock and balls (which leaves out women) and then you have to imagine with the classical depiction of god and randomness, what if you were born god and god was born as you?


selrahc_72

>Nobody really believes heaven and hell are physical places you can go do Unfortunately, billions of Christians believe exactly this.


xoxoyoyo

I meant as in physical places that exist in this same physical realm


jamnperry

Our souls aren’t really attached to our bodies as close as we think. In fact, it leaves the body every time we sleep. Heaven is where our consciousness exist now but our souls become grounded to these bodies on earth. You can get to heaven in this life through various means and practices. Even shrooms can give you a taste. In heaven we are loved and it’s easier to spread love ourselves when we feel loved. People like empaths attempt to bring heaven to earth with acts of kindness and when we are in loving environments and communities we feel heaven in our groups. Everyone may define it differently according to their religions but heaven can be found on earth. Same with hell although it isn’t a creation by divine sources. Hell is created here on earth by reincarnated people who have long ago ditched their consciences. They are running amok all over this earth taking advantage of us. They are fully attached to their bodies and only think of their own human experience. These people have no problem with greed and hurting people to get ahead. Once they kill the conscience then the salt has lost its saltiness and it’s worthless. Eventually the human experiment for them ends forever and they no longer reincarnate on two legs where they can hurt anyone again. As for the in between time, we long to return to earth because it’s only here we feel pleasure, taste food, enjoy love and feel physical contact. Over there, it’s only imagined like an endless dream.


Comprehensive-Put-31

The notion that the soul never dies seems correct because whether it is the principle of reincarnation or heaven or hell both depend on this principle. Reincarnation may just be a way to balance past karma, but what after karma is balanced? Always reincarnation I don't think it is possible in any way because then life has no purpose left, being heaven or hell beyond a limit gives a purpose to all this.


selrahc_72

I really like your response, but have you considered that there might not be a purpose or a design. I believe reincarnation can exist completely unguided. Or rather that we are our own guides and help steer our course through the decisions we make in life. There doesn't have to be any higher power. If you're searching for meaning, I'd say we create our own and our 'higher power' would be love.


recoveringleft

Perhaps it’s possible there are people who don’t reincarnate and actually go to heaven or hell (leading to the rise of religions like Islam, Christianity and other religions that don’t believe in reincarnation) and those who reincarnate.


altered-state

It appears heaven and hell are subjective, your own consciousness will be your ultimate judge and jury. The heaven or hell you get is what you create for yourself. This is why the Egyptian book of the dead talks about the weighing of the heart, and those that are care free will pass on, while those who are burdened with the weight of their actions, will not.


selrahc_72

I believe you're on to something. After all, people often refer to 'Heaven or Hell on Earth', which is just referring to the feeling a particular situation brings us. Utter joy or complete misery are things we have more control over than we realize. It all depends on our perspective, whether pessimistic or optimistic.


yalllove

There’s an evolution of consciousness that ends at the Source. Every single being is destined to make it but for some it takes longer. There’s no concept of hell or punishment in the Universe. Karma is a system of understanding.


astralrocker2001

Hell is an area located in the **Lower Astral Dimension**. It is the Land Of Nightmares and is populated by deceased murderers, and those who choose to resonate with extreme violence and dense low vibrations.


dan197099

the universe is a kin to hell the physical the spirit realm is a kin to Heaven in the spirit realm there is no pain...the physical realm has pain


Aohangji

it's percentage 70% reincarnated 30% heaven