Threatening MS-13 text with my address and photo
By - wantakey
This is a common scam - if you take a look over in the r/Scams sub you will see this time and time again. If you engage, they will say you need to pay money to get your name off the "hit list". They likely got your photo/address/phone number from commonly found information on social media, or through sold data. No one is coming to get you.
If you own your home it very common your name is attached to your address on a local government website and some common third party websites. In many jurisdictions, people have a right to know who owns a particular parcel of land and if this information is already stored electronically, it quickly becomes cheaper to stick it online rather than have clerks respond to inquiries in person or on the phone. In my state there's legal precedent that removing that information without justification violates public access laws. If you are worried, an LLC can shield you somewhat.
I work in prison and have a *very* unique last name... in prison everyone gets called by their last name (staff and inmates). Literally anyone who googles my last name and my job title (I also have to maintain public, professional licensure) gets my full name. If you google my full name and the word "address" you get multiple hits containing my full address.
When we bought our house I researched everything I could to keep myself off of these lists. Even consulted a couple lawyers. Basically the only way to accomplish keeping my name detached from the address was to pay cash for the house:
Law requires name to to be attached to address. Law requires name and address to be available as public record if requested from county clerk's office. I do have the option to put the house in the name of a trust... BUT... as long as I'm financing then the bank is legally required to keep my full name *in* the name of the trust. So if I were paying cash I could put the house under the name "Big Butt Cheeks Trust" and be fine... but as long as I'm financing the house it would have to be "(My Full Name) Big Butt Cheeks Trust."
As you can probably imagine I couldn't quite afford to pay cash for my house.
So, you are can transfer the land deed and property title from, u/LiquidArrogance (bank goes here that has mortgage) into a land trust, regular trust or even better to gain anonymity, irrevocable trust. You can't apply for a mortgage like this. Once all the paperwork goes through, a trust attorney can get it all set up. I've done multiple properties like this. They are still on mortgage. The property tax bills go to a p.o. box and list the trust as billable. If you do a county record look up on my properties, it just shows the trust name.
There is a chance this could not sit well with your bank and they could call the note due in full. In my experience, banks don't care as long as you pay them. This could vary by state to state as well. I had zero problems setting it up, everything was on the up and up.
I but all the vehicles into the trust as well. If a cop runs the tag, the trust name appears lol.
When you look at the sale history it doesn't show the most recent transaction as you to the trust?
Depends on the county\\locale -- you could explore options with the county, if there is a legit safety concern maybe they could blank the recent sales.
The location of my primary residence doesn't have share the names of the folks from the recent transaction; but the county where I have some recreational land does record that on 1 of the parcels that are part of the transaction. (ex, if you transfer 3 40ac parcels in a sale, the parcel report for only one of those 40 will have the last name of the previous owner and whom the sold to) -- administrative subdivisions seem to blank that out too.
If the county isn't helpful, something silly like transferring between two trusts would maybe scrub that.
I'll just reply to my own comment here, I'd love to answer all you guys questions but, I'm not an attorney. The best money you will ever spend is on a trust attorney. It's how you build generational wealth within your family, keeps assets from probate court on death or split into 20 something shares for 20 something greedy hands. Many other advantages as well.
Go hire the very best trust attorney.
Lol generational wealth. Unless your referring to beanie babies and expensive unused power tools my parents assets are safe from probate.
Oh would they like to sell any of those tools? Lol
That money could go toward that genny wealth. 😂
Nice try hired goon
Oh no you made my plan 😂😂
I google myself, my mom and my sister a couole times a year and then file a request that they remove our information from their listing. Usually new websites pop up or someone else sells our info and it shows up again. Your name will show up with your address regardless of whether you own the place because any time you sign up for something and use your address, those companies sell your info.
The issue with a mortgage is that it is state record (in the US at least) and a lot of states have that information available as a public record. The sites that list your information are data aggregators, so they are scraping data from everywhere they can which includes public records as well as the method you mentioned. While it's easier to just get info on someone from a sketchy website, it's still easy to find it from a legitimate/the original source even if you have to pay a few bucks to the state to get it.
Source: work in cybersecurity/privacy and spent a lot of time learning how to gather data
Oh. 😳 I can see how that would be a problem if you work in a prison and someone wanted to mess with you.
I know one of my relatives who is in law enforcement has their address recorded in publicly accessible databases as the address of the office for their workplace as a safety measure.
Aside: this used to cause me no end of headache trying to search UCC databases with no company credit card. My attorney was always telling me, whenever I ran to borrow their card like a beggar for the states that instituted a paywall: "This information is supposed to be free."
Me: "You can thank bots and scrapers looking to monetize the information for that; don't know what else to tell ya." Since they asked me over and over again, I was never quite sure if it stuck...
FYI, I’d recommend going through this workbook and opting yourself out from all these sites
I’ve done it and it’s difficult but not impossible to find my info online now
Check out joindeleteme.com They'll do this work for some $$.
I posted earlier [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RBI/comments/pe4feb/threatening_ms13_text_with_my_address_and_photo/haxpcyg/)
I have no connection to this company, just a customer and got tired of whack-a-mole web deletions so I hire them to maintain this crap.
That's why it is always advisable to rent a PO Box and use that as your "official address" or billing address for anything you possibly can. A lot of data mining is done from records that have been sold by credit card companies. Of course, it's not always possible to get your physical address from being listed online in some places, but the longer I've had a PO Box, the more frequently that is the address that is found for me publicly online.
That doesn't help if you own your home.
I've owned my home for 30+ years; as I stated above, it's not possible to remove your name from being associated with a property from every single place online, but it does help reduce the number of scammers the longer you maintain a PO Box. Of course, the amount of junk I receive at the PO Box is a while 'nother issue!
I think someone has fed you a bit of misinformation. Contact a real estate attorney, literate in trust documents. Doing what you are saying the courthouse is forcing you to do literally breaks the trust. Not sure what state you are in, but you *should* be able to own your house under Big Butt Cheeks Trust, somebodyyouknowandtrustwithmorecommonname, as Trustee. That’s what appears in courthouse and public documents.
Trust document shows trustee name, and LiquidArrogance as beneficiary/ies. Trust document is shown to bank for lending purposes. Banks make a copy of your trust, but it should not be filed at courthouse.
Source: we’ve done this for the past 20 years, and have always intentionally kept a mortgage on primary residence.
As someone else suggested, all of our mail goes to our *mailing* address, which is a local UPS store, giving you a bonafide secondary address. There’s an additional bonus of never having to worry about porch pirates again. All packages go to the mailing address, and are kept safely behind a counter.
Hey so this is MS13, Mrs somebodyyouknowandtrustwithmorecommonname
Pay us 3 Bitcoin and we won't hit on you
Ok, MS13. Please come after Mr Trustee’s POBox. I’m sure the Feds would love to discuss.
Np see you in a few
I'm trying to set something like this up. I already have no mail coming to our current residence which is great.
We just bought some property with a loan with the intent to build as our future primary residence. The bank forced us to put our real names on all documents. Now that it's purchased, I was planning on doing the whole trust thing but we'll need to get a new/modified loan to build on the property. You are saying that it's possible to get a loan even on the property put in the trust? Are you in the US?
I know the laws are different everywhere but could you have formed an LLC or something to buy your house?
I had to do property research a few times and would often see homes owned by an LLC that was basically the property address, so like "123 Main St LLC."
To me it seemed that this was done by people to avoid having their names in public records but there could be other reasons for it.
It won't stop ALL the data out there but this service can make a huge DIFFERENCE on how easily the information is found:
They contact each of those shitty websites that scrape your info and make it available for easy search and then get it deleted.
Surely you have access to some connections that could 'loan' you the cash.
You bought a house inside a prison?
I don’t understand where you got that from
I know you can buy a prison from inside a house. Prisons usually have internet access as well
Can one install a panic room inside the prison house that’s inside the upgraded B-hole ?
exactly. if MS13 wanted to threaten you, they'd do it in person
Yes. I have sketchy background can confirm.
out of the dozens of different gangs i came into contact with in the short time working in a prison the only one that legitimately gave me the heeby jeebies was ms 13.
Imagine that the actual ms13 starts doing this.
"Hi fellow marero. Just checked in with my buddy Miguel El Chino from the Richmond gang, so I could settle this promptly. Apparently they are not aware of any issue, but will try to smooth out the situation with any high-up involved. They don't want any of this shit going on unchecked, especially with someone in my standing.
I forwarded your mail to their tech wiz, but if you could tell me directly who are the parties involved it would make everything easier.
Espero tu respuesta pronto.
I’ve gotta ask - did you waste his escorts time?
I like how OP didn’t clarify whether or not he actually saw an escort lol
Realistically, the answer to this question solves the case of scam or not.
How do you waste an escorts time, anyway? Do you haggle a price for a long time, then say nevermind?
Drive in front of them on a one-lane road, very slowly.
You talk to them and leave? Have you not watched any Liam Neeson movies?
*I have a particular set of skills which include wasting escorts and movie viewers time*
you show up with no money, or don’t show up at all.
source - lived w a sex worker for years.
You give her the money and then leave before the sex. They hate that
The escorts I've been with always tell me I waste their time.....
They always tell me that my life's a bore, and to quit my whining cause it's bringing them down
Are you one of those melodramatic fools? Do you sometimes get the creeps? Does your mind play tricks on you?
Likely this scam started with an "escort" messaging them and didn't get a "sale" after trying for a while.
Highly unlikely there was an escort in the first place
It's not my fault I only lasted 13 seconds!
It’s called an escort scam, and is relatively common. [Some](https://kyma.com/videor/as-seen-on-tv/2020/02/12/threat-of-mexican-cartel-scams-continue-in-yuma/) [Examples](https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2019/12/11/phone-scammers-target-las-cruces-threaten-drug-cartel-violence-if-you-dont-deliver-money/). You are safe as long as you don’t engage.
Or, engage with fake info and waste their time.
Still best not to as if you do the'll know for sure that the number is actively being used by *someone* and continue to target it in the future
Yasss people to talk to!
The picture is probably public, on yours or someone else’s social media. And your address can also be public. Google your name and see if you can find the info they’re sending you.
Kinda has to be real if it's their photo.
OP said it's a picture of their face... why do you think it's a composite?
Watch this link. It's the exact same thing that happened to you. Totally a scam. You can rest easy. ["MS 13" scam](https://kmph.com/news/local/scammers-pretending-to-be-ms-13-text-people-graphic-photos-personal-information)
Common scam posted on the r/scams subreddit quite often. Block the number.
Your police station is closed wtf?
That’s wtf I’m saying. What if there is an emergency?!
Police stations do close, you call 911 for an emergency. There are still cops/emergency services who operate 24/7 but the non-emergency line and city police station itself are usually closed certain days if you're not in a major city. In my town it's closed on Sundays but that doesn't mean you can't call 911. It just means all the clerical and office staff aren't at the actual police station building.
I live in Richmond, Va so I’m just use to them being open all the time. I forget that small towns don’t operate like that. Forgive me. I’m operating on like 10% of my brain capacity. I have a migraine and feeling shitty today
Feel better soon!
I’m in a town of 5,000 people and our police lines are open 24/7
Your town has decided to allocate the necessary funds to make that possible. Proud of u
That must be in USA. Here in EU, as far as I’m aware, every town with a police station, there is at least one or two cops stationed there 24/7.
Again, emergency services are available always, there are always police and you can always call 9/11. There are always uniformed officers able to come to you if you have an emergency. But Barb the Secretary who accepts traffic ticket payments doesn't need to be there 24/7. Scruffy the Office Janitor doesn't need to be there 24/7. I think people are just getting confused between 911 and the non-emergency office number.
It is illegal to commit crimes on the weekend, duh!
Makes sense. I actually believe most of my felonies were committed on weekdays. Well the ones I’m convicted of
Emergency... Call 911. Non-emergency you call during business hours!
You'd be surprised. There's 5h left until my town and the nearest ten have more than two police officers (not from the US, they have a single patrol car for the whole area)
I'm from the US and my state has about 800 cops to police an area the size of Libya, with about half that concentrated in one city. It can get kinda remote here sometimes.
I lived in a town where the station was staffed 9-5 and otherwise closed. Their handicapped ramp was so disused there was a spiderweb that was 5ft around over it.
In small towns where very little happens, this is common. There's no point to having staff overnight when officers can bring their duty vehicle home and be summoned by county dispatch.
This is the strongest argument for the 2nd amendment I e ever heard.
Hey you could do that citizens arrest thing where you handcuff them under the giant wheelchair ramp spiderweb instead of shooting them
If the police station is closed, call the sheriff office. That's county wide police and much less likely to be closed. Also any station near me reroutes to dispatch on a lower priority line if the station is closed.
The police station itself usually works normal business hours like admin staff, front desk, etc. and then closes to the general public. The officers are still available 24/7 and use the station but not anyone can just walk in all hours of the night.
Also never heard of police stations closing
Pretty common in small towns. It’s not like no one can help, there will be officers on call to respond to 911 calls.
Never lived in a rural area?
Where I’m from is about as rural as it gets, population for the city/town was 7k people and I thought that was pretty small. Police dept never closed. Just never heard of it.
> population for the city/town was 7k people
That's not rural.
Ok boss, you win.
I've lived in two small towns where the police stations close. It's only been in bigger cities where I've seen them open 24/7.
I live in a city of 2 million. Some of the suburban stations are closed at night/Sundays. But I guess living in a reasonable sized city also means that there is a station in a bigger suburb that is open 24/7.
They’ve been closed for a few months in Portland… lol
If you live in an area where the police station closes down at night, the odds of MS13 being around are slim to none. Further, that gang has been used as a scare tactic by conservative news who have grossly overstated their presence.
MS-13 is basically the moser equivalent of “the call is coming from inside the house!” legends. They exist, but not in the capacity the American public has been led to believe, similar to the whole kidnapped girl = human trafficking. The myths that are spread are nothing close to the realities.
You’re getting scammed. Scammers know the satanic panic level of fears about MS-13 and use it as a tool.
I live in California where MS-13 is very active. I work with gang Affiliated youth as a social worker. The fear around that gang is well founded. They are extremely dangerous. Most schools won’t enroll youth who are MS Affiliated because of the severity of the crimes. There is reason to fear them most definitely, but you’re right about being in an area where the police station closes. There’s not going to be any MS activity there. Basically the closer to South America, Mexico and California you are, the more MS-13 activity there is. Maybe it’s in Chicago and New York by now, I’m not sure.
I’m in NYC. There are some claims of them being on Long Island, and they do fucked up shit, but they’re primarily teens who just claim a gang like bloods & crips when we were kids.
Iirc, we had an incident where two or three young teens shot and killed two young girls, claiming it was bc they disrespected MS13 or some shit. A horrific tragedy but it’s also like kids that were ages where they still get smacked for back talking their moms.
It’s weird. How pseudo gang affiliation claims, regardless of the claims being false, eventually morph into actual gang affiliation. Like grass roots efforts. Such a strange phenomena because it’s not like the actual gangs in LA or Atlanta etc claim these 15 year olds in fucking Hershey, Pennsylvania or wherever.
I think it’s possible that there are small break off groups of major gangs. But I worked with youth in Illinois who were not gang affiliated, and they’d just say that they were a blood or a crip now. I remember thinking, they’d kill this kid for Saying that.
One important factor: age is important. Gangs tend to recruit very young kids. They’re easier to groom and they want older friends. I’ve met 8 year olds with gang related tattoos. I knew a 13 year old that had his full neck tattoo. In many gangs there are certain tattoos that signify your standing in the gang. That 13 year old had - if the tattoo was correct - committed a very serious crime.
Have you been doing anything shady?
Social worker here that has heard this in many different forms from clients, and I'll tell you what I tell them: nobody that's a real gangster is going to incriminate themselves by sending threatening text messages. Time and time again, they are smarter than that. It's always either petty salty drama or a scam 🙄
Scam. Don’t worry. Feel better. Reach out to others if you can so they can provide regular check-ups: you deserve as much.
seems pretty scammy to me. If ms 13 had a beef with you they wouldn't send you threatening stuff on the internet, they'd just kill you. If they were looking to extort money from you they would show up at your house and beat the crap out of you then ask for money.
If you were with a hooker recently it could just be a scam that the pro's pimp is running although that seems wrong too. Pimps generally will just blackmail you.
my guess is most likely some scammer got your name, address, phone # and picture and sent the scary text to be followed up soon by a text demanding x amount of money.
if you don't get them demanding payment soon i would worry. please keep us posted.
Report the number when you can, but don’t text back. This happened to my SO earlier this year. They sent him his name, old address, wife’s name, etc., along with a ton of gruesome photos of butchered people. He reported it and was told what many people are saying here. It’s a scam for money, and a really messed up one at that.
MS-13 isn't going to bother texting you, they are just going to act. It ain't real.
Look yourself up on free services like familytreenow, Facebook, Whitepages, etc. You don't need to pay to get enough info.
My latest online photo is of me in middle school. The 'ms13 hitman' scam has also contacted me with the middle school yearbook photo, and an old address lol
This is a scam.....my friend went thru this
How is time with an escort wasted? You can cry on a shoulder for 30 minutes or bang one for 30 minutes, as long as the time is paid for. If OP didn't pay up, he/she knows what's up, lol.
Or try to meet and no show?
But they know where he lives. How much info could this guy have handed out went getting and escort? Lol! I mean actual escorts are a legit thing, not prostitutes at all, but given the ms13 connection, this was definitely an under the table shindig. I'm guessing OP didn't use a hotel, gave an address, probably a name or at least first name if he didn't think through the address bit, the rest is some quick google work and a dash of luck.
Edit* "...definitely an under the table shindig." -No pun intended.
You're right. It was my first thought with the wasted time comment.
I would like to find out if OP really did hire an escort (or try to). There has to be some truth in this, right?
Dunno, has the cahones to approach a person and set it up but lost the gusto when she came knockin? Seems sketch too me but maybe she was under a 5 on the 10/10 escort ratings? Maybe looked drugged out, or unhygienic? My question is, how does a person "waste" an escorts time? I'm guessing someone wants paid for the ride there and back, taking up the schedule, otherwise...?
There's a lot to this story that's missing. Going back to what you said though - how would they have so much information on him? Maybe this isn't the first time with this escort and now the pimp is involved for a shake down?
It's a ridiculously common scam, there's likely no story missing
While it may be common, it's kind of a niche thing. I imagine there aren't that many people looking for escorts. That's like saying the bank is coming to repo my plane.
I don't have one - what are they going to take, or why worry?
It doesn't only target people who are engaging escorts though, and while a repo guy can't take a plane that doesn't exist, MS-13 *can* take a life over mistaken identity, so people freak out and pay them to try to not get killed, even if they don't engage with escorts
Yeah, there are some missing steps leading to this story and how things turned out so far...
Scheduling and not showing up, so they wait on you and don't get anyone paying booking for that time slot. Probably somewhat shady if he didn't pay/deposit at booking, or he did and that's how they have his info.
no show, or show up w no cash. shitty thing to do
This sounds like someone you know trying to freak you out.
Send him a photo of your butthole
I've legit done this to scammers, and I'm a fat brown man. It's not pretty down there.
This is the way
That might be the fastest way to end up on a do not call list.
And now im going to do it too.
Cant wait for the r/wtf post of "I tried scamming someone but got a butthole pic"
Well, obviously find somewhere else to stay tonight until you can involve the police.
I am assuming that you did indeed hire an escort, since you don’t say otherwise. This may just be an idle threat to shake you down for more money.
Repost in r/scams, they will explain how the scam works.
Have you wasted some escort's time recently?
Why Police office is closed? crime doesn't take a holiday.
Get ready to go rambbo on their asses
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You got your answers so I'll provide different advice: stop wasting hookers time.
I would love to see what the real MS-13 would do to those scammers when they get them. ☠ i hate scams, they are the worst of parasites
Thats normal, they just try to scare you
K, I’m ignorant here, what is MS-13?
I googled that, thank you
a very large and dangerous street gang.
I don't know in what country you are, but there must be a non-emergency police line that should be 0-24. Call them.
Also, lock your doors.
In the words of George Washington: *"Stay strapped or get clapped".*
Came here to say this. Multiple court cases have stated law enforcement has no obligation to protect citizens unless directly in their custody, and people still choose not to take their own safety into their own hands.
Don’t worry about it it’s a scam
OP is very quiet which seems sus IMO
its a common scam for contacting fake escort services on the internet
This big ass scam is a big problem in Mexico. (Cartels instead of MS13)
I’m guessing these fucks went thru your mail.
I highly suggest getting a gun just in case because unlike Mexico we citizens can legally own a firearm!
I have it on good authority that the EL1TE use MS13 to carry out their hits!
Better to have a Gun and not need it rather than not having one and needing it!
Seen people post stuff like this over in r/narcos
Same thing happened to me friend, ignore it. I eventually had to get my number changed. They find your info online. They even texted my mother, I was furious but most of all terrified. You’re going to be fine.
If you really did what they claim then the last thing I'd do is post about it, that's for sure. I'd ditch the phone and ditch the city
But if you didn't, I'd call it a scam
There are steps you can take to hide your address, use a P.O. Box on outgoing mail, also those "Public lookup" websites which use information from public records usually have some sort of process where you can request they remove your information from them. Problem is you need to do it for each website individually, and there's no guarantee they'll actually do it.
There is sadly no way really for you to completely remove your name from public records that I've seen, if anybody knows how to fully anonymize yourself in this regard please let me know.
Also, FWIW, IRL gangsters don't call sex workers "escorts" - if that's indeed how the letter is written.
Glad you got some good answers. 👍
MS-13 isn't real
Tell them suck your dick