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"Heteronomy? Voting rights for foreigners: 2xNO" // Switzerland // 2004 // Artist: unknown

"Heteronomy? Voting rights for foreigners: 2xNO" // Switzerland // 2004 // Artist: unknown

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corn_on_the_cobh

The art style has some serious GTA vibes, I love that about 90s-2000s-era artwork.


185beans

Would unironically love a GTA game with these three as the protagonists


edikl

GTA Dubai.


ReVolvoeR

These Jungi-SVP guys are like the Proud Boys of Basel -- a lot of shit-stirring but almost no support in an overwhelmingly left-leaning town.


The_Persian_Cat

"The Proud Boys of Basel" sounds like an indie band name


GringoRegio

I saw them in basement of a laundromat in Bushwick before they got big.


Freaky-Boi

Yeah, pretty much all but one Youthparty in Switzerland are irrelevant. And they all exclusively do dumb shit.


Muenchkowski

And I bet they go shopping or buying groceries in Germany like everyone around Basel


GringoRegio

All 3 of those 'scary foreigners' just look like people I'd walk past on my way to kindergarten.


president_schreber

middle might work at the kindergarten! just a trend ive noticed that veiled women tend to gravitate towards childcare


Curziomalaparte

> women tend to gravitate towards childcare well...


president_schreber

sure there are various elements of patriarchy at play there. we can work to change this while still celebrating those individuals who do such hold such important tasks


Curziomalaparte

> sure there are various elements of patriarchy at play there what If women work in childcare, that's patriarchy?


president_schreber

if a larger proportion of women work in childcare as well as other "domestic" coded jobs, like cleaning, it is partially because of various social pressures that link women and domestic spheres. The most coherent model I have seen for interpreting and grouping these coinciding social pressures is the theory of patriarchy. yes.


Curziomalaparte

> if a larger proportion of women work in childcare as well as other "domestic" coded jobs, like cleaning, it is partially because of various social pressures that link women and domestic spheres. >The most coherent model I have seen for interpreting and grouping these coinciding social pressures is the theory of patriarchy Refuted by reality, google "gender equality paradox" Women are biologically more inclined to take care of children because...they are biologically more inclined to take care of children. Statistically, they'll tend to gravitate towards human-based professions rather than object-based ones (such as mechanic or mason). I hate to state the obvious, but the female body literally evolved to grow children inside of it, and then feed them after they are outside. https://www.thelocal.se/20190308/these-swedish-occupations-have-the-highest-share-of-foreign-born-workers/


president_schreber

despite nordic countries progressive stances on gender politics, their culture is still shaped by patriarchal ideals. I googled the gender equality paradox, and all it proves is that when given the choice between paid reproductive labour at home and paid labour in a workplace women choose the former. I can think of many reasons, one of them being, going to work sucks... That supposed paradox does nothing to dispell the millienia of myths around patriarchy, which started in ancient akkad, were continued by roman paterfamilii, and have flourished with the industrial revolution. http://library.lol/main/C360FD0EBD3E95C3A422E0A1D7D830A6 and continue strong under modern capitalism... read like any modern feminist accounts ever. You're right that questions of origin and race play in this too. Women of colour have been providing childcare for white families since the "mammys" of slavery and even before. however any historical digging tells us that these roles, like all other roles of class, including race, are nowhere near as "natural" as we'd like to think, relying instead on, hey hey, Propaganda posters! and other socio-cultural artifacts to survive and spread


Curziomalaparte

> however any historical digging tells us that these roles, like all other roles of class, including race, are nowhere near as "natural" as we'd like to think, relying instead on, hey hey, Propaganda posters! and other socio-cultural artifacts to survive and spread Doesn't matter, culture mostly obeys to the same evolutionary laws to which "nature" is subjected. Animals have societies and "culture" too, to a certain degree (ants cultivate fungi, think about the implication on how the ants needed to be biologically programmed to recognize different stages of fungis growth through odor, etc). "Unity makes strenght" is true for every living being, e the most obvious social group is the family, which is already there at any given time, unlike other types of groups - to be born, we can say that you need a mother and a father --- but to make friends you need something else, they're not automatically there. It's only obvious that women are better at caring for children, because if this was not the case, we wouldn't be alive at this moment. Literally read any evolutionary biology book ever.


president_schreber

nuclear families are less than a century old... culture has taken so many different forms throughout time and space, evolution takes millions of years. cultures change in hundreds.


president_schreber

https://old.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/q43e9m/votes_for_women_antisuffarage_cartoon_harpers/ ah yes! women's natural proclivity for domesticity!


Curziomalaparte

> https://old.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/q43e9m/votes_for_women_antisuffarage_cartoon_harpers/ Irrelevant, not an argument >ah yes! women's natural proclivity for domesticity! strawmen, not what I said


president_schreber

sorry literal posts from the very subreddit we are in do not pass your rigorous standards for discussion. If you don't want to engage with my ideas just say that instead


awawe

>it is partially because of various social pressures that link women and domestic spheres. source?


vanillac0ff33

Did..did you just ask for a source on social pressure on women to perform domestic work?


awawe

Yes


Mikhail_Mengsk

The only one with a pale resemblance to anything remotely controversial is the fully covered woman, which may refer to oppressive traditions taken from muslim countries. The other two are literally two dudes. They aren't "threatening" in the slightest unless you consider anyone who isn't literally the Kinder Boy a dangerous foreigner.


ThingsMayAlter

I remember a similar poster with a white sheep kicking the black sheep out of the country, also Switzerland.


chromopila

That's from the same party.


RollingChanka

nice cap


SnoffScoff2

Damn thats racist


purple112

That’s kind of the SVP’s main thing


ISimpForChinggisKhan

It's not, everyone lives under the same laws and people who are not Swiss cant vote in swiss election, they must become swiss citizens first


Nom_de_Guerre_23

The depiction of nationalities is not random. Could have shown Germans or French living in Switzerland who are not supposed to get voting rights as well but nope, needs to be 2xArab/Persian and a black guy.


SnoffScoff2

This


seanD117

Probably cuz there far less instances of German and french immigrants beheading people for drawing some child marrying warlord from over a thousand years ago


Therusso-irishman

mdr the American communist larpers on this subreddit downvoted you.


seanD117

Oh no, my Reddit karma 🥺


ISimpForChinggisKhan

Hard to differentiate a swiss from a german/frenchman tho


Shortyman17

... you're very close to the point, let me help you. Why would you not depict a frenchman then if he's also meant? >!To create associations with a particular group of foreigners that you'd like to not grant rights.!<


185beans

Lederhosen and beer mug/beret and a baguette. Easy.


Freaky-Boi

Maybe because in Switzerland people speak German and French?


Nom_de_Guerre_23

And so? Germans and French are still foreigners who if the motion had passed would have been allowed to vote? In fact, Swiss hate Germans pretty much too, there are self-help circles for Germans in Zürich.


Freaky-Boi

Thank you for telling me which people I hate. The self-help circle thing sounds based tho.


ShinyAeon

Not which people *you* hate—which people a large percentage of your *countrymen* hate.


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ShinyAeon

Uh…be both *what?* I’m not the person you were talking to—I’m just a random pedant clarifying a point.


Therusso-irishman

Ah my bad


Therusso-irishman

Let’s say you and a neighbor have a fair amount of disagreement. Say you won’t even invite this neighbor into your house. Does this mean you would welcome swarms of rats or other parasites into your house? No, you use every possible means necessary to deter them and keep them out. While doing all of this, you still dislike your neighbor and don’t want to talk to him or invite him over for wine and lunch. You see how easy it is to be both?


hassh

Look with your eyes at the drawing and, like, see it


TapTheForwardAssist

Was anyone seriously proposing that non-citizens be allowed to vote in Swiss elections?


_-null-_

Considering the year this is probably about the two proposals make the naturalisation process easier and automatically grant citizenship to third generation immigrants.


ISimpForChinggisKhan

Idk,the poster says no voting rights for foreigners, not immigrants


TapTheForwardAssist

Okay, two possibilities: * someone is credibly proposing that non-citizens be allowed to vote in Swiss elections, and this right-wing party is very reasonably opposed to that * this right-wing party considers non-white people to be “foreigners” even if they become citizens, and doesn’t want them voting even as citizens Which seems more likely?


srln23

A pretty big part of the Swiss population are foreigners (25.5%, according to a German site). Switzerland is pretty proud of its direct democracy so it's only natural that voting rights for foreigners are brought up. Some cantons already allow foreigners to vote under certain circumstances. The discussion at least right now is also not really about voting rights on a national level, it's about the communities and cantons.


Kapowdonkboum

Not non-citizens. People who live here but dont have the swiss citizenship


salamitaktik

It is racist. They show very specificly three kinds of people they don't want to vote, "surprisingly" all of them People of Colour.


beefcake_floyd

It's not the Germans and the French that are flooding into European countries and turning them into shitholes.


Mckee92

No, its us brits, AFAIK. You can stick our fat mugs on as many racist posters as you want.


Therusso-irishman

This. Here in France, we call these people “Swedes” because if we actually named the problem SOS Racisme would squeal like the disgusting piglets they are and try and press charges. It’s more trouble than it’s worth so we just call them Swedes


ISimpForChinggisKhan

They are not of the same ethnicity. It's more xenophobic than it is racist


salamitaktik

Nope. Being racist against several different People of Colour doesn't make it any less racist.


ISimpForChinggisKhan

The problem is not their skin colour, it's that they are different.


salamitaktik

Again nope. *Whiteness* or *non-whieness* are not bound to your actual skin complexion. Which brings us back to the poster that depicts some mediterranian looking guy, a muslima and a black guy, all of them to exemplify "foreigners", as if they couldn't be Swiss citizens.


president_schreber

captain technical details to the rescue! did you know that technically, sexualizing a 13 year old is ephobophilia, not pedophilia? wow, now that's so much better! Thank you captain technical detail!


shawarma_law

Damn youre racist


ISimpForChinggisKhan

Please elaborate


shawarma_law

Why. Whether or not I do that doesn’t determine whether or not you are racist. You already know you’re racist, and I already know you’re racist. So which one of us would I be proving it to?


ISimpForChinggisKhan

You calling me a racist doesn't make me one


shawarma_law

https://c.tenor.com/x2gwTztb2tAAAAAC/star-wars-obi-wan.gif


ISimpForChinggisKhan

When did I say I was racist?


HurryKayne

They asked you to elaborate your point and you just pulled a Donald Trump “you know it, I know it, everybody knows it”


shawarma_law

Holy shit that’s an embarrassingly stupid take on this thread. Delete that comment, my man.


HurryKayne

“my man”


thefarkinator

vote NO to stop some cool lookin guys from voting


EmpereurAuguste

Thoses posters are the propaganda posters of the far right party called SVP or UDC. It may be the biggest party in Switzerland right now but it doesn’t represent the opinion of most the Swiss people.


Freaky-Boi

The majority of it isn‘t far right tho, that‘s like saying the SP is far left.


EmpereurAuguste

Well I think it depend most likely on which subject will the people vote… Switzerland tend to be quiet conservative in general


daryl_hikikomori

I mean, if the people posting this kind of shit are still in your party then it's a far-right party.


Freaky-Boi

Well then almost all parties are far-something because you’ll inevitably have some extremists if a party is sufficiently big. TIL that every Swiss political party is extreme.


mavthemarxist

Ah yes the far right red party of norway


Freaky-Boi

??? What does norway have to do with any of this


Johannes_P

Unfortunately for everyone, the UDC is better organised.


Johannes_P

More precisely, it came from the half-canton of Basel-City, by the UCD youth wing.


ImaginaryCheetah

wouldn't they get voting rights only after *immigrating* ? at which point, they're no longer "foreigners" but "immigrants" ?


FuckYourPoachedEggs

To these folks, anyone who isn't themselves will always be foreigners.


ImaginaryCheetah

that *foreign* guy! whose the son of the son of the immigrant. i forget what movie (i think) it was, some younger black guy in england getting harassed by some racist old white guy. white guy was going on about how the black guy should go back from where he's from, and the black guy goes "what, back to cornwall?" in like the *thickest* of english accents.


Orcwin

I believe Switzerland is much more closed in that regard. IIRC, you can only gain voting rights if your community vouches for you, or something along those lines. Well, presumably this poster warns not to change that state of affairs.


SwissAngel21

Switzerland's biggest political party everyone...... This isn't even enter their top 5 most *"cough" "cough"* insensitive poster campaign


N1kl4us2222

Fuck the SVP


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Delusional


Therusso-irishman

ITT: American leftist larpers who have no idea about Europe or the damage that these hordes of Africans and middle easterners are causing. We are only just now starting to make serious attempts at correcting this problem and it will probably be a long road ahead to fix this. Thankfully progress is being made and it is now possible that Paris will look decent again by the end of this decade.


awawe

thats, uh... on the nose.


throwawayforme83

What is that even suppose to mean


edikl

"Stop naturalization of foreigners" or something like that.


xmendude

At first I got excited, thought it was about the X-Men. But then I saw it was in the “Auschwitz, let’s kill all the Jews” language, and realized must be something technical and boring