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jmaaron84

Broadly speaking, the plaintiff alleged that his wheel hit a defectively designed/placed ditch, causing him to lose control and slam into a 4x4 signpost, leaving him with T12 paraplegia and a host of other injuries. Oddly, the parties stipulated to a dismissal not long after the verdict, presumably because they negotiated a settlement for the Ski Bowl's insurance limit. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1\_Hn96WdQtMpgjJ0KtDEwmgy4a5ObX5DS/view?usp=sharing


codisinc

Thanks for sharing that. I saw a comment on Facebook that was later deleted, claiming they worked at skibowl and had warned the higher ups about this specific area needing changes as someone was going to get seriously injured on it.


Sohcahtoa82

That Google Drive link is a 404 EDIT: Nevermind. If you get a 404, switch to new.reddit.com. The old reddit style is breaking the link.


jmaaron84

It's working for me, even signed out.


Sohcahtoa82

Apparently the old reddit style is breaking the link. If I switch to new reddit, it works.


rosecitytransit

I'm presuming you need to remove the `\`s. I've seen links get posted with those and I've been wondering where they come from.


BlackLeader70

I wonder what the lawsuit was actually about, it’s not the first time Ski Bowls been sued either. The last one I remember was someone getting a spine injury tubing because the berm wasn’t big enough and launched them onto concrete path or something like that. There was also a snowboarder who sued a while back too, but I don’t remember the circumstances.


snugglebandit

There was a teenage girl who died on the Dogleg run 10 years ago. Nobody saw the fall that killed her but people reported seeing her traveling at a high rate of speed shortly before she likely crashed. Her parents sued saying that Skibowl's difficulty rating for that trail was inaccurate and led to her death. I don't think they were successful but I don't know for sure. Maybe there was a settlement.


x13blackcat13x

Hey, never thought I’d see this case coming up again. I was on the jury for that case. The parents sued Ski Bowl claiming that the Dogleg run had previously been rated as a more dangerous run before the current owners purchased it. This however ignored the fact that signifgant changes were made to the run that made it the safer run we know today. They also made some other claims that the lighting was sub-standard and that rescue took to long to find their daughter, though there was little substance to these claims. Lighting levels weren’t regulated by anyone as far as we were informed, and Ski Bowls runs were well within the range of what seems to be normal. As far as finding their daughter, while it did take a long time to find her, the corners report found that she had died instantly upon impact with the tree before her body was buried in the tree well she was found in. The whole case was tragic, but ultimately from the evidence we were shown all we could gather was that she was over excited and went down the run way faster then she had the skills to handle and crashed.


snugglebandit

Thanks for that information. I pretty much assumed that this is how it went down. My youngest kids are starting to get good at snowboarding. I've mentioned this incident to them several times in regards to riding at a speed where they can maintain control and be ready for hazards they didn't anticipate. This reminded me of another case that happened at My Bachelor. A young employee was out riding, and fell into a tree well and suffocated. They didn't find her body until spring or summer if I recall correctly. Her parents sued Nidecker, the manufacturer of the bindings she was using, because they did not release in a fall. Pretty sure they were unsuccessful.


WAYLOGUERO

Tell your kids to stay away from trees. Watch some tree well recovery videos. Some of these people doing the training get trapped, it goes wrong, and they panic. Stick to groomers until they go through some self recovery training. Once you are exhausted trying to extract yourself for half an hour, 10' from the trail you will respect the risk a lot more.


snugglebandit

They don't ride in the trees yet. I rarely do it anymore and I'm very careful about the days and the places that I choose to do so. I think about how exhausting it is just getting back on your feet and moving if you fall over or lose momentum in deep pow. I take it seriously and I'm teaching them to do so as well.


potatoperson132

Always ski with a buddy when off the main runs. Stay within ear shot and sight, and check in frequently. People die on the mountain all the time. Take responsibility for your own safety.


Ironbonermom

Always best to have a partner, especially at night


redisanokaycolor

I fell into a well as a beginner. I had no idea it was so dangerous, I just unclipped my board and climbed out.


TedW

Sometimes people get pinned or can't reach their bindings, and if they happen to get upside down or loose snow falls in on them, it turns ugly.


redisanokaycolor

That’s really scary. I’m glad to have been lucky.


TedW

Careful, you're not out of the woods yet. Some tree wells have been known to stalk their prey for years, follow them home, and ambush them in the shower. Trees are patient and they never, ever, forget. Sleep with one eye open my friend.


codisinc

Apparently skibowl did a full investigation into the death, but then told the family they wouldn’t release any information unless they were sued. So the family sued.


LizardQueenButterfly

I think as a company, they may have found they were at fault, but to pay out directly from the business would probably cripple them. So they need to be sued in order to use whatever insurance the company may have for liability claims. I’m no lawyer. But I watch a lot of them on tv so I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about.


ohlaph

This tracks.


VeraxMetals

I think they 100% lost that case.


codisinc

It looks like the family lost the initial case but then were allowed to appeal on the basis that skibowl lied about their claims that no other serious injuries or deaths occurred on that run. I can’t find an article about the appeal resolution. As of the article being written in 2017. There had been 13 deaths during the prior 10 years. I don’t know if that’s high in comparison to other ski resorts or not.


VeraxMetals

Lost on appeal too I think. Or settled with confidentiality and we'll never know. But these suits are rarely successful, thankfully.


Jazzlike-Mongoose605

Definitely maybe.


VeraxMetals

The thing is that she was a minor and I'm wondering if she was able to waive rights or enter into a contract. She was not with parents.


ValKilmersTherapy

Amazing movie


BensonBubbler

Who is they?


VeraxMetals

Sorry, the family lost if I remember correctly.


GreedyWarlord

THE BURGER PEOPLE, THEY!


oregonianrager

I can't understand it. Mountain biking is dangerous as fuck. I ate shit hard one time at the single track in Stubb Stewart. Haven't single tracked since. How can you blame ski bowl, because realistically you could hit a tree just riding anywhere regardless of difficulty.


snugglebandit

Going to have to wait and see what the argument is. Probably claiming a poor design or poor maintenance or a trail rating that doesn't accurately describe the skill level necessary.


itcamefromzigzag

For what it’s worth, Cannonball (the run in question) is a double black diamond. If there were triple diamonds, it would probably be one


serpentjaguar

Jesus, that sucks. Anyone who knows that run knows that it's not so much that it's difficult as it is that it's set up in a way that makes it very easy for less experienced riders/skiers to hit it while going way too fast off the upper mountain. What happens is that you come into the first half and everything is cool, but then it doglegs to the right while sloping to the left which, if you're on the edge of control or out of control is a recipe for disaster. I definitely had to pump the brakes a few times the first time I rode it, before I knew what to expect.


spacebotanyx

Is that why they remamed that run to something else? I was wondering.


snugglebandit

No idea. I didn't know it had changed.


boozeandbunnies

That exact same thing happened to me! Last run of the night I flew over that “safety fence” and launched into the woods, over a small stream, and landed thankfully unscathed. As I was flying in the air Through the trees I saw my life flash before my eyes, I pictured myself waking up in a full body cast from a year long coma. But alas I was 13 and teens are damn near indestructible so I got up, screamed with joy and asked, can I do that again?!


spacebotanyx

when I was 8 and skiing at skibowl, I saw an awesome jump that happened to also be a tree well.... and.... i woke up w a terrible headache getting dug out of snow and branches. fortunately I with my Dad who got me out real quick and the ski patrol took amazing care w transport after that. i do sometimes think about how i could have definitely died if i hit the tree at a slightly different angle and/or if my Dad didn't see me dissappear into that tree. good lesson about never doing anything risky without a buddy. and... it was 1990, so I skied for 25 more years withour using a helmet. (because NO ONE wore helmets back then!) but now, i absolutely do. be careful out there, friends!


MossHops

Owner of Skibowl also hit a bicyclist on the Ross Island Bridge a while back and fled the scene while drunk. So, yeah, not the best dude running the best company.


augustprep

How? The curb on the Ross Island is like 12 inches high.


well___duh

> while drunk


MossHops

Yeah, it's crazy. Can't find the original articles, but I am pretty sure the bicyclist was on the sidewalk, not even in the road when hit, which means Hannah was all over the place. Pretty sure he was also going over 60 when he it the bicyclist.


itcamefromzigzag

Not relevant. Don’t conflate that man and his past with what happened to the biker who was hurt at Skibowl. This was a lawsuit involving a life changing accident for a cyclist that knew the inherent risks of their activity and entered into it willingly. Personally, I hesitate to even walk down Cannonball (the trail in question) let alone ride down it at a high rate of speed. What you’re referring to is a separate issue that has nothing to do with this settlement. Insurance exists for a reason and for every petty lawsuit that gets filed on a daily basis, this one actually did what it’s supposed to do and ensured that the plaintiff and their family were compensated to help get through the rest of their severely changed lives. Is Skibowl a little rough around the edges? Admittedly, yes. However, this is part of its charm. You can’t wrap foam around the whole world. Sometimes you just have to use duct tape and wishes and hope for the best. There are few places left in this world that have the same DIY feel to them. When the Skibowl’s of the world start to fall and fade away like this, we’re going to miss them.


golgi42

Skibowl should just go full on Action Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park


MarigoldBird

Class Action Park, you mean.


micromacrodose

Growing up in NJ, we always called it 'Traction Park'.


POGtastic

"Everything you have heard about Action Park is true, including the loop-de-loop water slide."


itcamefromzigzag

My mom has scars from Action Park. Either the Alpine Slide or the concrete around the wave pool.


snugglebandit

I have scars from the alpine slide at skibowl.


Juhnelle

That's exactly what I was thinking of reading this. That documentary was surprisingly good.


surgingchaos

To this day, I'd argue the two most ridiculously insane and dangerous sources of entertainment ever conceived are Action Park and an obscure game show back in the 2000s called ["The Chamber"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chamber_(game_show) ). Sometimes, you just get to a point where you come up with something so inconceivable that you'd think no one would dare to do it.


Juhnelle

Don't forget [the swan ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swan_(TV_series))


ReadySetN0

Was waiting for someone to reference this place.


MossHops

Just read through the BikePortland comments and saw that they tried to include this info in the article. I think Hannah's actions and Skibowl's past lawsuits are all fair game for background. It gives context as to what the owner deems "acceptable risk." I don't love frivolous lawsuits. I also don't love companies who don't give two shits about the well being of their customers.


legal-beagleellie

Presumably he is insured and the accepted risks are set forth by said insurance


itcamefromzigzag

You do realize that owners hire managers and department leads and operations teams and risk management teams and insurance agents that jointly make operating decisions based on conditions in the ground, right? It’s not like they’re actively trying to slap away the hand that feeds them. They realize what the customer base gives them. This was a tragic accident, not a result of owner negligence. The litigiousness inherent in our society today will be the downfall of fun, as we, the children of the lawn dart, lead paint covered action figure era knew it. You gotta step on a few rusty nails in order to build up a solid immune system and a tolerance for wild joy. Tetanus shots > guard rails


itcamefromzigzag

Kinda weird this post is being downvoted while when I expressed the same sentiment above, people are all for it. Maybe people don’t like tetanus?


Highlevel365

You aren't advocating for toys with lead paint, are you? I can't imagine that switching to acrylic or oil based paint would make the toys any less fun. Maybe the loss of lawn darts is a problem. I don't know, never played lawn darts. But some safety litigation has positive outcomes. For instance, ski lifts are much safer than they were decades ago.


SnooComics3918

No, I was just being hyperbolic. I am one of those "converted upon the birth of my child" late-comers who grudgingly accepts that some things are just too dangerous. While I love and respect the old chairs, I also love a high speed quad with a safety bar. Simply stated, I think the world needs both.


Highlevel365

In England, they are now intentionally building low grade risks into children's play areas to toughen kids up and build resiliency. They have a long history of building on that mentality, going back to Kurt Hahn. I'm a firm believer that calculated risk and moderate danger is good for people. But it's important to promote safety and corporate responsibility. It's a tough balance to strike. Clearly America is overly litigious and at the same time failing to protect human health and safety from environmental pollution and impacts of our transportation system. And then we lack a national health care system to provide for people that suffer impacts to their health and well being. America doesn't do much of anything well.


bobopolis5000

[just a bit behind schedule](https://www.theonion.com/earth-to-be-made-child-safe-1819564004/amp)


Echoes_of_Screams

Owners set the tone and priorities for their managers. They can easily have it be known that they don't care about cyclists safety and especially if they believe themselves to be legally in the clear.


Shortround76

I looked this up and it checks out. It happened in 2010 and he pled guilty to duii, hit and run and paid the victim 500k in 2012. It's definitely bad he did this but maybe after 12yrs he's hopefully changed his ways.


monkeyboy2311

Looks like Maus got his hand slapped for trying to include that nugget.


2fences

Who the hell rides a bike across the R.I. Bridge? That’s suicide.


Highlevel365

They were on the sidewalk. Cars aren't supposed to go on the sidewalk, and the curb is pretty high. A car would have to be wildly out of control to end up on the sidewalk. It isn't a comfortable sidewalk to use, but it's not tantamount to suicide.


2fences

I’m not sure that sidewalk is as wide as a pair of handle bars. With a two foot drop into heavy and fast traffic on one side and a long fall to water on the other. No room to pass pedestrians or other bikers in either direction. And on off ramps with no cross walk or signal. Terribly designed for riding a bike, hence the Tilikum.


Highlevel365

It is awful for cycling. But I've crossed over by bike a couple times. Didn't feel unsafe, but I'd much prefer tilikum or Hawthorne. Would not want to try to pass a pedestrian, but that was never an issue. Regardless of the fact that it is sub optimal. It is still relatively safe. Seemed like the comment I was responding to was engaging in victim blaming.


2fences

I am the writer of the comment you responded to, I wasn’t victim blaming. I was saying that it seems like a very dangerous and potentially fatal way to get across the river. I ride every day and I wouldn’t get on that bridge for anything, that’s what I was saying and then I explained why. I have no idea what happened in that accident.


pdxscout

The berms there are practically non-existent, but anyone riding a downhill park should be able to check their speed without hitting one like a double, LOL.


corbygray528

How do you check your speed while tubing? I've never actually gone snow tubing but it seems like it's a pretty uncontrolled event.


pdxscout

It's mountain biking.


corbygray528

Oh gotcha. Sorry, the comment you're replying to mentioned the berms in regards to a tubing accident, so I misinterpreted your comment. My mistake!


boozeandbunnies

I meant tubing lol


WellsMck

There is some documentation on this website. It sounds like Skibowl made a big ditch in a high speed area, and the dude was injured (like completely destroyed his spine and messed up his face/brain) on a 4x4 sign post that was in a crash zone. https://abbeyfealegolfclub.com/mt-hood-skibowl-bans-bikes-for-summer-after-paying-10-5m-in-crash-that-paralyzed-oregon-man/


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She was a 16 year old that was riding out of control and hit tree and died, her parents sued and won.


eers2snow

Honestly, ski bowl seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen between their ancient lifts and inadequate lighting for open night ski terrain.


snugglebandit

Their lifts are old but they are one of the least of my worries when I ride there. Riblet made good stuff and they have been maintained well. A lot of recent lift accidents were chairs sliding back down the rope after the grips failed. I love high speed lifts but there are more failure points than fixed grip.


TinyRobotMan42

Back when I started skiing Ski Bowl in the early 90s the Upper Bowl lift used to go from the bottom station directly to the lattice work mid tower with no intermediate towers down on the flat. If you were the only one on the lift it would be bouncing up and down what felt like 100ft in the air. If it was fully loaded the cable would sag way down and you'd almost be on the snow. All very sketchy.


BlackLeader70

I’ve only been there a few times and always felt the same way.


quad_up

IANAL, and this is (objection!) heresay, but I’ve heard Oregon has very little legal protections for ski resorts compared to, say, Utah, where it’s extremely difficult to sue a ski area. This might seem like a good thing, but the net result is fewer resorts with limited access.


clive_bigsby

That's what the Ski Bowl people said in the article too.


quad_up

Ha, I GUESS I read it


hoopleheadroom

Colorado, too. The Skier Safety Act of 1979 provided blanket immunity for ski area operators. There are some exceptions for “non-inherent risks” but it’s real outlier stuff like a ski lift totally failing or leaving a snowcat parked in the middle of a run. This law is tested regularly in the Colorado Supreme Court and has always been upheld.


serpentjaguar

That ship has already sailed anyway. You still see expansions and upgrades at ski areas, but the era when it made any kind of economic sense to open new ski areas is long gone, especially with snowpack in the west becoming increasingly unreliable. Combine that with the fact that the industry, together with its real estate partners --that's where the real money is-- continues to price out most Americans, and you can see that there are very limited growth opportunities. Really, snowboarding is the main reason the industry is doing as well as it still is. Non-snowboarding growth in the industry has basically been flat since the '80s because fewer and fewer families can afford it.


quad_up

I can’t say you’re wrong at all, I just wish you were. Mt Bachelor, for instance, desperately needs competition. That place has no business charging 200/day (neither do any other “resorts”, for that matter). People suing ski area does nothing to help this is all I’m saying.


serpentjaguar

100 percent agree, I'm simply telling it how it is given the fact that I've dug pretty deep into the issue and written about it extensively over the years as a journalist.


VeraxMetals

The mountain can kill you. That's part of the waiver on the back of your lift ticket or whatever. I hate these suits.


Dryasapopcornfart

Ikr? it's like blaming the beach resort when the sea sweeps away your daughter, or blaming Parks and rec when your mom gets lost in the woods and dies. --yes, the context is the KEY here, but in general, nature gon do what nature do, and that's life (or death).


VeraxMetals

Or suing Porsche because the car goes fast. People need to own their actions.


hoopleheadroom

I just saw a lawsuit was just dismissed by the Hawaii Supreme Court for this very scenario. In 2012, a Fairmont employee on Maui recommended a beach to a guest and the guest was seriously injured in the surf break. https://law.justia.com/cases/hawaii/court-of-appeals/2022/caap-17-0000443.html


BigfootSF68

It is not an easy line to draw.


Echoes_of_Screams

So does that mean that the resort has no responsibility to design and maintain their trails to any standard?


TriangleChoked

Anyone have any insight on what actually happend? I've been riding up there the last two summers. There are some tough runs up there for sure but I also know the risks? Was there some negligence on Skibowls behalf?


ontopofyourmom

Yes, that is the only thing that would have led to this result.


riseuprasta

While I would like to see the details of the actual lawsuit I am very skeptical of people who get injured doing a risky activity like skiing or mountain biking and Sue when they get injured. I have been mountain biking for years and sometimes you just eat shit. It’s just a reality of the sport even on a professionally maintained trail that is within your skill level. I worry this will lead to people suing government agencies on public trails and lead to the shut down of the entire sport. I also worry that places like Rocky Point that operate between and agreement between the northwest trail alliance and Private landowners are at risk if they view this case and decide to end the agreement. The world is not safe and mountain biking sure as hell isn’t!


jeremec

I don’t see how Ski Bowl’s current ownership can survive this. They couldn’t even get enough lifties to keep normal hours this season. I assume the Adventure Park is a major income source for them. I would be curious to know how they were at fault in a sport with inherent risks of major injury or death and I’m worried about the legal precedent it sets.


tuscangal

So wait, I thought it was the bike park that’s closed, not the adventure park? I’d think they’d keep the adventure park open anyway. The bulk of Skibowl’s revenue comes from Cosmic Tubing (Winter) + adventure park in Summer, not biking/skiing. And it shows. Kirk Hanna doesn’t put a lot into the biking/skiing part. Edited to add: Hanna also owns a good chunk of the properties and businesses in Govy, so I think Skibowl will be just fine


jeremec

Thanks for the extra context. I’ve always loved Ski Bowl as a winter park. My knowledge of the summer park is limited.


ontopofyourmom

It is most likely negligent construction or maintenance of an obstacle


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Crime_train

The point of a lawsuit is usually about much more than recovering the cost of the medical bills.


md___2020

You’re letting off the “victim” way too easily here. Mountain Biking down a fucking ski hill is inherently VERY risky - one of the most risky recreational activities you can do. I’ve done it several times, and while it’s fun as shit, it’s obviously dangerous. If you don’t have health insurance (which is federally mandated btw) you shouldn’t be biking down literal mountains. This reads like another cash grab from the “victim”, which is going to impact everyone’s access to Ski Bowl, and fuck over a mom and pop ski area, further feeding into the increasing “corporatizing” of the mountains.


Steve_Gooscemi

Thank GOD my overpriced under-covered Healthcare is "federally mandated"


Humboldtjack

Yeah I love people just passing the buck when WE PAY FUCKING TAXES. That’s where the buck should stop when it comes to caring for our own citizens.


Sohcahtoa82

The ACA was like prescribing cough syrup to people with lung cancer. It might help the symptoms for some, but it fails to solve the actual problem for anybody. The ACA did nothing to solve the issue of health care simply being too expensive. Insurance companies are making bank. Sure, the ACA required that at least 80% of premiums go towards health care (leaving 20% for administrative costs and profit), but that just means the hospitals can increase their prices.


rosecitytransit

> the hospitals can increase their prices. and substantially reduce their charity care, as well as maybe an increase in visits for non-emergencies


nicetriangle

Yeah steep downhill in general is treacherous as shit. I have a dislocated collar bone to show for it. Anybody doing these rides should know better. I’m surprised there isn’t a major release to sign.


Echoes_of_Screams

You have no clue. Maybe skibowl left some nasty construction debris or something. You assume that they are being fucked over.


warm_sweater

I believe the federal mandate was struck down by the GOP during Trump’s term.


CascadianExpat

The mandate is in place. The penalty was repealed.


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CascadianExpat

Yes, but technically correct is still the best kind of correct.


wildwalrusaur

The penalty is the mandate. The government can't compel us to participate in a private market. It can use tax policy to incentivize participation. At least that was the grounds the ACA was predicated on.


CascadianExpat

“Mandate” and “penalty” are different things. There was a mandate (have insurance) with a penalty (pay a tax) for non-compliance. The penalty was abolished. Now there is a mandate, but no penalty.


TheBeesSteeze

Dude is paralyzed, wouldn't call this your typical cash grab.


Goducks91

You know that insurance companies sue too right? They would rather not pay,


[deleted]

That seems like a stretch. FWIW, I support nationalized healthcare, but the existence of it would not prevent suits.


stult

Actually it really, really would. Oftentimes the plaintiff is not actually interested in suing anyone, their insurance company is suing on their behalf to recover the costs of their care. The federal government would likely be much, much less aggressive in recouping costs that way because they don't have a profit motive. Also in theory the costs would be much lower in a single-payer system. Which I am assuming is a theory you agree with if you support nationalized healthcare. Those lower costs would automatically reduce the number of suits that would be worth pursuing because the transaction costs of litigation would remain roughly the same while the possible damages awarded would be reduced. For example, paying a lawyer $20k to recoup $100k makes sense, but not if the actual damages are only $15k. Right now, insurance companies can present eye watering medical bills for even relatively minor injuries. Take that away, and you remove the incentive to sue in many marginal cases (where the litigation costs are relatively high because you have to pay lawyers and experts to make arguments, which isn't necessary in many clear cut cases where simply filing the lawsuit is enough to get the defendant to settle).


corbygray528

The famous McDonald's hot coffee case is a perfect example. The lady only wanted her medical bills covered originally and they refused.


[deleted]

I think we need to consider how many people sue for more. One case is not a trend.


hey--canyounot_

Ok but that also set precedent.


WAYLOGUERO

Tort Reform...Arbitration :(


thescrape

I heard in a podcast that 33cents of every dollar is spent on insurance and doctors arguing about the price? Crazy.


rosecitytransit

How much is written off when insurers refuse to pay?


ebolaRETURNS

But it seems like it's a piece of the picture, no? What would the dollar amounts of the suits look like without medical bills in the picture?


[deleted]

Don't know. Pain and suffering always seem to outweigh actual medical costs.


Projectrage

Whistler has similar bike trails and lack of lawsuits. Common sense should meet the nexus of proper safety and avoid greedy accident lawyers.


itcamefromzigzag

I guarantee Whistler has better lawyers


g-crackers

Or it’s in Canada with a completely different legal system and social contract.


PerdidoStation

And universal healthcare


Projectrage

Absolutely.


jxr4

I was contacted early this year about a lawsuit against ski bowl asking very pointed questions about the pedestrian crossing over cannonball to get to the upper lift which makes me think someone got hit. They were going through everyone that had reported an injury to the ski patrol there. I had needed to get bandaged up to get to the urgent care for stitches. But the crossing yeah, isn't a great crossing, but like...you're up there...try looking atleast up hill when you're crossing a bike trail. The "scenic chair lift" people are the worse.


itcamefromzigzag

Totally agree. There are “trail crossing”, “watch for uphill traffic” and “caution” signs + a flip gate for people on the walking trail right before the crossing. I guarantee 8 out of 10 people don’t read them and walk right through without looking uphill. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, enough that I’m comfortable with that math. Even though that was not the injury in the lawsuit, but I’m sure the lawyers were circling in the bloody water looking for another way to get a good bite. The reality is, hitting a rut on a mountain composed of rocks, dust and duff is an inherent, natural part of the act of downhill mountain biking on Mt Hood. It’s extremely dangerous and there’s no way to really regulate it beyond basic trail marking and maintenance. Unfortunately the result is that now, no one can play up there anymore.


jxr4

Agreed, they can smell that liability insurance money now. But yeah, nobody looks and it's ridiculous, especially the people making live streams of their walk like....it's not that special and there's plenty of off trail areas to take pictures, look where you are going. I have startled some of them that are like panning their phone around on lower bowl to get to the "fire hydrant" run like...wtf do you think this dirt trail is for? As you point out there's signs everywhere.


SnooComics3918

Ha! Completely concur. Signs are only as effective as the end user reading (or not reading them). Sorry you got hurt, but glad you got help. Mt Hood SKi Patrol is amazing.


DukeReaper

Skibowl is getting sued for people's stupidity. It's unfortunate that some lost their lives and some got hurt, but I'm sure if you stand just in the parking lot and look out there, you can decided how hard it's gonna be. Please don't let Ski Bowl fall, and have to close down.


CascadianExpat

Brought to you by the same insane tort law that’s given you hits like “$15 million for the woman who ran in front of a train without looking.”


rosecitytransit

If that's in regards to the TriMet MAX case, I think three number was later reduced and it was argued that TriMet had some negligence in the crossing design.


CascadianExpat

> I think three number was later reduced That was done by operation of a statue that caps the liability of government entities. >and it was argued that TriMet had some negligence in the crossing design. That’s what makes it so stupid. It’s a fucking train crossing. Trains are big and loud and hard to miss. If you decide to run across train tracks without looking or listening for a train, that’s on you. It shouldn’t be TriMets job to protect you from your own recklessness. Hell, by that jury’s logic we need to fence in every road and install automated cross arms at every crosswalk, lest someone forget to look before crossing the street.


spacebotanyx

when I was 8 and skiing at skibowl, I saw an awesome jump that happened to also be a tree well.... and.... i woke up w a terrible headache getting dug out of snow and branches. fortunately I with my Dad who got me out real quick and the ski patrol took amazing care w transport after that. i do sometimes think about how i could have definitely died if i hit the tree at a slightly different angle and/or if my Dad didn't see me dissappear into that tree. good lesson about never doing anything risky without a buddy. and... it was 1990, so I skied for 25 more years withour using a helmet. (because NO ONE wore helmets back then!) but now, i absolutely do. be careful out there, friends!


indicaandy

Somebody California'd it finally..not a bad run. Oregon used to be cool.


Butthole_Please

Can you explain what you mean by this? I don’t get it in this context.


itcamefromzigzag

Not sure why you’re being downvoted


waffletrampler

hurr durr CA bad, also OR bad, everywhere bad. Me smooth brain hungry


anonymouscoward54647

It's not politically correct anymore to express anti-Californian sentiment.


serpentjaguar

Mountain biking was arguably invented in California. It's a stupid comment. That's why. Also I'm not sure why provincialism should be any more tolerated than any other form of bigotry. Making fun of, discriminating against or stereotyping someone on the basis of where they're from is just plain stupid. You don't get to choose where you're born anymore than you get to choose your own parents. It's basically a form of tribalism.


chrislehr

Gee what state do litigious people migrate from again? Asking for my “its not a stereotype if it’s true” pamphlet.


ontopofyourmom

In other states, operators are allowed to be negligent in maintenance and construction of their ski slopes and half pipes and whatnot.


ObsessivlyObsessed

I wonder if I exceed my performance capabilities driving down I205 and crash if I could sue the State for the shitty ass road?


Johnny_Driver

Skiing on a mountain should be safe. Who owns this mountain? I’m gonna join the lawsuit.