This is "PoliticalHumor", and it's definitely funny, but let's never be bullies
By - NursingManChristDude
GNU Terry Pratchett
When the opposition’s campaign slogan is “fuck your feelings” it makes it a lot harder to care when they’re crying about making fun of their Qult
There are two dynamics going on that make the question more difficult.
One is that the *least* capable people work directly for the *most* powerful and evil people. The people who are hurting are the political power base of the people who are hurting them. A sharp jab of humor can stun these people into temporary inactivity, or send them crying to an echo chamber that the rest of us don't have to see.
Another is that people without empathy not only don't deserve empathy themselves. They *need to be* slapped in the face, hard. Narcissists only experience self-reflection when their self-esteem drops, like through ridicule. These are the people who run the stupids.
So yeah, you can totally ridicule stupid and evil conservatives, laugh them into silence, hurt the worst of them without damaging one's own conscience, and force the self-conscious emotion of embarrassment onto their leaders, all at the same time, and make the world a better place for it.
“Everything is justified, because they’re not even people!”
That's right. People who cannot treat people as people should not be treated as people. Change my damned mind about that if it's so important to you.
You already view me as not human simply because I disagree with the ideology instilled by your corporocrat masters and their propaganda that anyone not in your tribe is a easily dehumanized monolith while you are all entirely unique, right down to your oddly identical opinions.
I’ll be sure to wave at you in the gulag when you’re no longer a useful idiot.
No, I don't know jack about you, and I'm not going to judge you until your behavior shows you to lack empathy and respect for others.
But if I see you lining up on the other side of that Golden Rule, for personal and political gain, yeah, I'm going to think of you as less human. Because you are *preying upon other humans* for your own gain. That would be behaving *inhumanly,* see? Normal people don't do that, and don't have to accept it in others.
I came here to say this. The word "snowflakes" didn't come from anywhere different than that guy in seventh grade who grew up a bit faster than the rest of us who thought the funniest thing in the world was always making the weaker kids punch themselves while asking them why they were punching themselves.
Yes, the word "snowflake" did. There is a big difference between individuals bullying someone and the societal machinations that keep all but a wealthy few down.
This is why we constantly ask why is the singular bully a bully - trouble at home, mental issues be they anger management, depression, bipolar disorder, whatever. Because individuals bullying each other need to be use individual solutions. But individual solutions do not work on a societal scale because society doesn't function the same way an individual does.
Doesn’t track with the people who use it around me. Its use is tribalism meant to divide us into an in group and out group. Frankly having been forced to deal with tribal bullies in the past my natural reaction is to let them know that they did not intimidate me by making fun of them. Pisses the poor dears off.
I thought it came from Fight Club? Just another thing the Right ripped off.
It is true they don't tend to be original. I actually never saw Fight Club -- no judgment about the ultimate quality of the movie -- just that I don't get to watch that many movies and on the pholusactual list of movies I want to see there is always something I want to see more.
Nope, "In Missouri in the early 1860s, a 'snowflake' was a person who wasopposed to the abolition of slavery—the implication of the name beingthat such people valued white people over black people. This use seemsnot to have endure"
And let us not pretend that they are not the powerful.
I prefer to make examples of the idiots still supporting traitors. I don't figure I'll change the individual's mind, but by exposing the inherent and incredible stupidity at work, others may learn.
I'll kind of explain my thinking a bit. Best case is a cure. What cannot be cured, treat. What cannot be treated, warn of and prevent. The best warning and prevention I can possibly think of for modern conservatism is to expose the bare roots of it, the idiocy and evil that lies at its core
Yes tell me more about how Dave Chappelle is conservative.
I fail to see any connection there. There are different flavors of idiocy. I've chosen one to specialize in handling
Oh well the connection is this notion of "punching down" which Chappelle has been accused of.
He certainly has some conservative "values" such as whining like a little bitch about being "cancelled" from his massive platform.
Also, being a bigot about trans people and trying to make everything about him is one of Chapelle's conservative positions.
But he has some non "conservative" (Republican) positions too, like not believing that black people are inferior to whites.
trying to restrict his speech is the decidedly illiberal conservative position in fact.
[No one is restricting anyones speech](https://xkcd.com/1357/)
no a small minority of people think he's an asshole and are trying to leverage institutions into deplatforming him to the detriment of the majority of people who appreciate his work.
If they're really that much of a "minority" then the institutions will simply ignore them and wait out the outrage. If they're not so much a "minor" issue, though...
Well, if enough people hate what you're doing to get you booted off a massive platform, it's not that you're being repressed - you're just that much of a fucking asshole.
you realize he's still on the platform despite the efforts of the woke activists right?
I'm speaking in general, not specifically to Chappelle - I don't have a personal beef with him. Chappelle is pretty much still everywhere; didn't he *just* have a new Netflix special come out? I saw one pop up under recommended anyway.
No, I'm talking about every time Conservatives whine about cancel culture or "woke activists" getting something they like taken down. They always claim they're being repressed or that their Free Speech is being violated, but it's just the Capitalism they love in action. If you've pissed off enough of the audience/subscribers/customers to warrant an impact to your platform/company's bottom line, you shouldn't be surprised when they boot you.
all I'm saying is fuck anyone who is trying to restrict the reach of Dave Chappelle, the greatest living comedian and perhaps the greatest of all time.
Yet there he is.
In other words, he played you like a harp. He shat on trans, faced no threat from the public or from Netflix, and still got you whining about "le restricting speech."
he made me laugh. thanks Dave!
How can it be bullying if they perceive themselves to be in a position of moral and intellectual superiority?
The perception is partly built on insecurity, and the language of mockery may reinforce oppositional defiance.
The individuals are not the problem. Are they misinformed? Yes. Are they loud and rude? Yes. Are they prideful and blissful in their ignorance? Yes. But the individuals are just a symptom of the greater societal problems which led them to where they are.
Making jokes on behalf of the individuals who have fallen into the anti-vax, alt-right, or bigoted mindsets is not going to change those people. If anything it'll have them dig their heels in and go further down those atrocious holes. The best way to cure societal ills is to expose the systems that created the means to indoctrinate the individual and dismantle those systems.
Think of like this. When a child bullys another child, we can all admit that what the bully did was wrong. But at the same time we usually (and should) ask why did the bully do what they did? Is there trouble at home? Are they dealing with feelings of insecurity or some other mental issue? Are they unfortunately falling behind in school and lashing out? There are dozens of reasons why the bully did what they did, but if we just planted our heels and said "no, you're just a bad egg and deserve to be punished", then we've lost that child forever.
The difference here is that these individuals are not children on the school playground; these are full grown adults with access to true information from experts which they wilfully ignored. We don’t ask why these people ‘are the way they are’ because of problems at home or personality disorders, these people willingly CHOSE to believe in misinformation and then try to bully other people into their idiotic beliefs, we laugh at these people for the lengths they willingly go to to dig their heels in. These people already feel like they are always right and nothing can stop them, so by that standard we have a green light to mock them, not for their beliefs but for their arrogance.
If a child willingly chose to hurt another kid for no underlying reason other than becuase he ‘is the way he is’, then that’s not a bully, that’s a sociopath.
> these people willingly CHOSE to believe in misinformation and then try to bully other people into their idiotic beliefs
So I agree that adults have a different level of control over their actions than children, but I also want to point out that, to some extent, these adults may not realize their "choice" to believe in misinformation.
As for myself, I only a year ago finally left a controlling religion that I gave way too much money, time, and emotional growth to. Honestly, I'm still doing a lot of research into cults/conspiracies/controlling groups because I want to know how they work. I only got out because of a set of circumstances that led me to have the time, space, resources that were "forbidden" that I felt like I could look at, and social/emotional pressure to learn from people I cared about around me to even \*consider\* leaving that paradigm.
So yes, adults do make decisions, and there is some level of we shouldn't hold back the truth, but at the same time, some of these people may literally be indoctrinated into their beliefs and not have a way out without their entire world coming crashing down.
The difference between child and adult is pretty arbitrary and societies in general don't think about the "standard" of mental/emotional maturity they have.
I think it's better to accept that to be productive, you need to treat some people as if they're kids
You have lost both children the bullied children will suicide or underachieve due to depression and other mental and physical issues caused by the bullying.
These people don’t believe in basic truths. It does not matter if we mock them or not, they live in an alternate reality.
Which is to say, don’t post conservative attempts at humor; they *always* punch down.
Rule 1# of comedy, never punch down always punch up.
Is it punching up if they have more wealth, money, and power or is it punching down because they are very, very, very stupid? If someone has a retirement account with seven figures but un-ironically uses the phrase "Fauci-ouchie" is that punching up or down to call them a stupid idiot?
Punching up is anyone who thinks they’re above or superior to someone else wether legitimately, figuratively or in their own mind.
It also depends on what aspect of the person you’re ridiculing. Like, you can’t make fun of Mother Teresa for feeding the homeless, but you can make fun of her for dying a virgin like a 4chan beta male
Also, mother Theresa has some serious dark spots in her life that are very worthy of criticism.
She was a sadist who let people suffer
No she wasn't. The claims she purposely withheld painkillers from the dying cause she believed suffering was good for them are a myth coming from a single quote she once said that was taken out of context.
I agree the woman had some dark spots and didn't exactly live to her international reputation, but a lot of the repeated claims about her you see online aren't actually true either.
Upper cut 'em, right in the chin
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
Yeah, fuck that.
Republicans, conservatives, neoliberals, libertarians, and fascists deserve to be bullied with more than just satire due to their sheer, disgusting, racist, destructive, toxic, malignant fucking ignorance.
Those chuds are a cancer upon human society and must be driven back into the wretched holes from which they emerged.
This neatly sums up why right-wing "humor" isn't funny. The Half-Hour News Hour, Red Eye, and Grutfeld are just painful to watch.
This doesn't count for Nazis
No duh, the rule is to punch up.
What if the person being bullied is a bully? Who bullies the bullies?
>Who bullies the bullies?
As a political junkie, (trying to quit) satire is my first language.
Even if the people hurting are doing it to themselves?
If they're only hurting themselves then they need help. If they're hurting themselves and others they need to be stopped.
Meanwhile thos people walk around wearing shirts that synfuck your feelings and carry their plague to try and kill my high risk son in the line at Target.
Thanks but no thanks. I will continue to punch these people.
This sounds like a bully trying to justify his actions. I wasn't bullying they asked for it, they really wanted it. THEY WANTED TO BE VICTIMS, I was just helping out.--------- Sorry dude I doubt many will buy that explanation.
We're all hurting. Welcome to the modern neoliberal capitalist world.
This post without examples is pointless.
Wow. A genuinely human and introspective post on r/PoliticalHumor. I’m proud of us.
The idea that stupid, oppressive people somehow Aren't Hurting is naive.
Terry isn’t in charge of what satire is
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I think of this as the "Jay Leno rule."
Do Karen's tears when she's arrested for calling 911 about a black person existing nearby count as 'hurting'?
How about an antivax thing who did everything they could to prevent other people getting vaccinated, and is now dying of what WAS a very preventable disease, but is now a lethal one for them?
What about someone getting hit in the groin with a football?
Hey, it's not our fault they're suicidal. I'm not just going to stop laughing because they're hurting themselves. Try another reality, Terry.
Snowflake OP has hurt feelings.
"Snowflake"? You must've had to think hard to come up with that one.
? I would say it's the opposite, I'm making sure that neither I nor anyone else is "bullying" here in PoliticalHumor, especially because the majority of jokes here align with my political beliefs (e.g., democratic/left). I feel bad for the minority, incorrect "right extremists" who might be here.
But I appreciate your concern 😊
They’d put you in a camp and not feel bad about it. Kudos to you for being a better person.
He was wrong jokes can be made at anyone's expense funny is funny
Positions of power are designed to take satire and criticism. It’s part of the job. The mocking voice props em up. Real satire has to go after normal folks to skewer bedrock principles.
Idk, I'm more conservative leaning and I still find some of them funny; at least when they're jokes. Sometimes it's more just...well there isn't a joke it's just a political statement but other times, heh heh, I do be laughing even if I disagree sometimes