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All borders matter!!!1!1!!

All borders matter!!!1!1!!

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[deleted]

No, no, no. I'm pretty sure the Canadians joke about building a wall all the time.


Astral-Wind

Canadian here, yes there certainly were plenty of “can we trick Trump into building the wall on the wrong border” jokes going around the past 4 years


16quida

I live in Wisconsin. Can you guys just absorb us please?


not_that_planet

Y'all elected Ron Johnson. Canada will never take you. Just a note, I live in Alabama, so guess where we fall on the list ;-)


SleepWouldBeNice

We'll gladly take New England, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Washington, Oregon, California.


anarchitect9

I’d say Ohio too, but who wants us at this point?


lunk

NO WAY we are taking Ohio. We're not even convinced you'll be with "the North" when your time comes. Hopefully you can pull that place out of the fire.


BdubinVegas

That’s awesome. I moved out of Ohio 16 years ago and never looked back. My father-in-law would continue to sing the praises of Ohio until he moved out west a few years back. Now every time he visits Ohio he is counting down the minutes until he can leave.


anarchitect9

Just pick up the cities. Columbus is great. Cincy is coming back nicely and Cleveland got its shit together finally!


SleepWouldBeNice

When was the last time one of your rivers caught fire?


anarchitect9

Lemme go test it


LeX420

Even if you guys could legally secede somehow, I don't think we want to piss off our only neighbor by taking in a runaway state.


Fuzzythought

BULLSHIT. We'd totally take 'em if they act like a Canadian Provice (i.e gun control and health care). Who cares about pissing off the United States when there's no guarantee in 4 years they'll even BE United? If Bernie bros want everything he's trying to get, come to Canada. Peurto Rico, America's done what for you lately , come to Canada. Snow Birds will help make it a Paradise. Hawaii too, consider Canada. Why NOT dip before the 2nd Civil War hits?


16quida

Is that the first page of Canada's brochure?


Fuzzythought

The English half at least ;)


16quida

French (if that's wrong my bad. Stupid American 4Lyfe) wasn't my first choice for secondary language but a second language would be nice to learn.


Fuzzythought

Do don't HAVE to learn it, but Le Quebecois sont chouettes en tabarnak mon amis.


Maiky38

Imagine if those billions were used for healthcare or infrastructure. Now we have a half assed wannabe wall that a toddler can climb with ease. It's hilarious but sad at the same moment.


Hopfit46

Weve have had a flood of unskilled labor and it needs to stop/s


Green_Leader_Edd

Canadian checking in, and this is false. We joke about sawing ourselves off from America entirely.


Kepi89

More so a privacy hedge. More passive then a wall. But it gets the message across


notagoodboye

It's...literally...the longest national border in the world. Mexico/US is only like the 7th longest, and it's still hopeless. Good luck with that.


[deleted]

I did say 'joke about'.


KanadainKanada

> Good luck with that. You don't need luck - you need a lot of [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts)


WebMaka

It's also the longest *unsecured* border in history. Most of it's just a wide treeless strip and that's it.


PublicThis

“Good luck with that” seriously?


sugarfoot00

We're trying to make the US think it's their idea and pay for it. We're all in favour of it being even taller, with a moat, maybe alligators and a minefield. You can never be too sure about flappy-mouthed Canadians.


yana990

Plus Canada amassed 90% of their population within 100 miles of the boarder. The invasion is coming.


Anagnorsis

Just rubber-necking the shit show waiting for the "bombs bursting in air" we've all been hearing about.


SoCalThrowAway7

The bombs bursting in air happened like 200 years ago during the war of 1812. Sorry you missed it by a bit


asafum

Well if yall'queda has their way we might have a repeat as they seem to be begging for a civil war...


PJMurphy

Missed it? Who do you think fired the bombs?


SoCalThrowAway7

😱


Thisusernameisnoone

They've just been luring us into a false sense of security for the past 200 years.


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

Can't wait till we finally invade and rename the White House as the White Hoose.


StillaMalazanFan

You know it's called the white house because we kind of already invaded once already.


Longjumping_Pilgirm

I think that was specifically English troops that did that (Specifically the East Essex Regiment). Claiming Canadians burnt down the White House is like saying Gen. Grant fought at Gettysburg. Kicked us right out of Canada however. Twice also. Something I find really funny is that one of my ancestors appears to have been in the original invasion back in the Revolutionary War, having enlisted in 1776 in the 1st New Hampshire Infantry, all the way to the end, then later moved to Canada and died there. Some of his children and grandchildren moved back to the US and ended up staying. I also had an unrelated ancestor who was in Col. Ragan's 1st Maryland Militia Infantry who directly fought the very forces who burnt down the White House in the War of 1812 and was at the Battle of Bladensburg and the Battle of Baltimore.


StillaMalazanFan

Well, if you want to get real technical, it was actually the Native scouting and bush warfare that deserves 80% of the credit. I'll leave it at that.


SleepWouldBeNice

Impressive trick really. Canada's only 154 years old.


uisqebaugh

They would invade, but they are too busy being polite.


Astral-Wind

Sorry, we will get right on it


100beep

"Canadians are polite, we're reasonable, but we will not be pushed around." - Trudeau


Enlightened-Beaver

That’s just like where it’s less cold


Spram2

Canadians also willingly speak American and "look American" (Shapeshifting? Make up?) so they can invade undetected.


Rosscarter0816

Drugs cross the border from Canada to Detroit all day every day and it’s never mentioned. Strange.


Mental_Medium3988

Same in the pnw.


SkullLeader

Also way back that would-be "Millenial Bomber" guy (who was trying to bring a bomb to LAX) tried entering the US through the Canadian Border. But all the "Dear god, terrorists are crossing the border!" garbage is always aimed at Mexico.


damnedharlot

Someone got busted with coke trying to get into Canada from Detroit recently


Rosscarter0816

Oh yeah. Some go up. Some go down. What are neighbors for if you can’t borrow a cup of sugar?


Citizen_Graves

Well, those would be the good drugs brought by white people, unlike anything that the dirty brown people bring in; those are the really bad drugs that make everyone go crazy. Gotta protect the children from that. /s


julbull73

[Also to be clear we maintain a dead zone and clear cut along the US/Canadian border every year.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/why-is-there-a-slash-in-the-trees-at-the-us-canada-border/Content%3foid=2266575&media=AMP%2bHTML) To MAKE SURE the border is known.


WangnanJahad

They even cut through the south end of Province Island between Vermont and Quebec....instead of just giving the whole island to Canada.


gramathy

And the northwest angle, which is the stupidest border definition, thanks, people who never mapped out the whole lake before writing the treaty And Elm Point which is basically a square mile sticking into the same lake as the 49th parallel crosses it.


Tattoodles

Point Roberts entered the chat


DreamloreDegenerate

"Oops, maybe deciding on a boarder without checking the land first wasn't such a good idea after all?"


gramathy

At least point roberts has an excuse, it's an anomaly based on a simple definition. the northwest angle is just straight up weird definitions.


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

Even then, there are news stories every year of people hiking across the border without realizing it.


GenericUsername19892

The clear cut is virtually identical to the clear cut for the big power lines… source: accidentally visited Canada while hiking in Boy Scouts


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

You shoulda stayed, bud! We got health care!


Spram2

>source: accidentally visited Canada while hiking in Boy Scouts Watch your mouth! You can get arrested!


JustT74

Thank you. That was pleasantly informative and, well, decisive. 😁


CoffeeFlavoredSweat

In Maine there’s a multi-lane snowmobile trail you can ride along that clear cut section. My family has a camp on the thoroughfare between East Grand Lake and North Lake in northern Maine. It’s 50ft across the water to Canada. We regularly swim and kayak across the lake and have BBQs with our Canadian neighbors. We also boat under the border crossing bridge. Couple guys with M16’s keeping the vehicular terrorists out, but don’t even bother the water traffic below them.


fbritt5

One Canadian, riding a Bombardier riding mower! Quite hard to believe!


bmcg96

My family has had US boarder guards come up and visit us while we ice fishing on a lake straddling the boarder. Had to point to the cut like at the side of the lake and tell them we were actually in Canada.


Spram2

That's the opposite of a wall, lol!


brockdarnold

I love Canadians so much. Immigration aside, Canada could unleash a full frontal assault of their Canadian Bull Moose Calvary and I wouldn't have the heart to stop them. If your home is being invaded by adorable puppies would you try to stop it?


Anagnorsis

You'll take your god damn healthcare, here's your insulin!


OutragedBubinga

Did I break your arm? Go see that damn doctor over there. He'll fix it for free, OKAY?! AND ALSO... Sorry about your arm.


rhodysailor

What’s funny about your statement is that many of the US senior citizens buy medications from Canada because it’s much cheaper. Yet many of them vehemently oppose universal healthcare. It’s amazing.


Anagnorsis

Propaganda works. A lifetime of "socialism=evil" will make fearful people vote against their own self interests.


hedgecore77

Are you fucking nuts? One does not simply ride a bull moose.


PublicThis

I wish we could feel the same way. It hurts my soul when Americans say stuff like “America’s too hat” and assume they can bring drugs and guns here because “I thought we controlled your government too” But maybe I should stop watching Border Patrol 😉


weedful_things

Puppy invasion you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMk\_\_UkbzSA


T33CH33R

I've never seen a conservative get pissed about Canadians and Euros taking high paying jobs from them. Just saying.


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

No one ever complains about Ted Cruz being Canadian. I'm still trying to figure out how he planned on getting past that whole "born in the U.S." requirement for running for POTUS.


NancyGracesTesticles

Ted Cruz is a huge piece of shit, but he is an American. Please don't accidentally revoke citizenship from jus sanguinis Americans. They are as American as any other American. The rule isn't "born in the US", it's that they are a citizen. That section of the Constitution isn't very long, maybe a sentence or two. Look it up. Ed: if the Latin term is too confusing, the expression in English is "Birthright citizenship". You get the citizenship of one or both of your parents if either is an American. So you can be born anywhere in the world and still be a citizen. Compare this to jus soli, which is "born in the USA" citizenship, where you are a citizen by virtue of being born on US soil, regardless of the nationality of your parents.


CysaDamerc

The rule is they must be a natural-born US citizen, and since this has never been amended since it's institution it only includes children born with in the US territories. Children born outside of the US to parents with citizenship can be be naturalized, but this would happen after they were born. By definition this prevents them from being considered natural-born and since the laws concerning this were never properly amended, any citizen who was not born in US territory does not qualify for president since natural-born citizenship is one of the few requirements for the job.


NancyGracesTesticles

> No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. Ex sanguinis citizens don't need to be naturalized and are considered natural born which is the whole reason we have this system. If your mother was traveling while pregnant and you happened to be born during that trip, you wouldn't lose your American citizenship. The same applies for children born overseas to the diplomatic corps and citizens who are working overseas for any reason.


CysaDamerc

"or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" Refers to individuals who were citizens when the constitution was adopted, meaning they couldn't be born in the country since it hadn't been officially founded. So unless someone was born and earned there citizenship before the constitution of the US, they must be a natural-born citizen. Unfortunately courts have never made any rulings in regards to this so it's a fairly debated topic. Children born to parents of US citizenship outside of the US don't lose their citizenship because they technically didn't have it until their parents file the necessary paperwork. Since they are children of citizens their citizenship is essentially fast tracked so there is no question about them being qualified for citizenship. If the children are born in an embassy or some equivalent there of they would of course be considered natural-born since those areas are considered US territory.


GarvinSteve

You are both right and wrong. Ted Cruz is a huge piece of shit, but he doesn't qualify. Now, the plan is for someone like him (Ahhhnold was another potential one before) to get enough momentum to challenge this. Which is why it's ironic that people from that party were so focused on Obama's Kenya conspiracy.


NancyGracesTesticles

He does. The US allows jus sanguinis and jus soli citizens to be president. The same applies to John McCain who was born in the Canal Zone and to George Romney. We have birthright citizenship, which is what jus sanguinis means.


GarvinSteve

Interesting - I have never seen this relative to Canadians - members of a sovereign nation. The Canal Zone was a us holding (US territory) and this it counted because people born there do not need to be naturalized (as I recall, that is the argument around McCain I remember). Not saying you're wrong if there is an exception I am unaware of - but the definition in the constitution is pretty clearly "natural born citizen of the United States" which is fairly clearly defined here: The Constitution directly addresses the minimum qualifications necessary to serve as President. In addition to requiring thirty-five years of age and fourteen years of residency, the Constitution limits the presidency to “a natural born 1. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States. Source: [https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/](https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/) Given i know several Canadians I work with who are working toward citizenship (or got it), is there some exception I am unaware of? (happy to be proven wrong and learn)


CHASM-6736

Cruz's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. Per State Dept website > A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7)). INA 301(a)7 requires the parent to have resided in the US for a total of 10 years of their life, 5 of which had to have been after the age of 14, all of which must have been before the child was born. I didn't study immigration law, /BUT/ so long as his mother met those requirements, he's a natural born US citizen under federal citizenship laws. I don't understand why the 14th is even being brought up, it's got almost nothing to do with immigration/citizenship law. EDIT: Forgot link: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

Yes, they both ran but their situations were never challenged in court. Some legal experts agree that they met the qualifications, but I'm betting you could find more than a few who would say it doesn't, too.


ryhaltswhiskey

Legal experts have discussed this at length. The short version is the supreme Court has never ruled on this issue explicitly but the consensus was that the supreme Court would be fine with it. TLDR: it wouldn't pass a court challenge


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

Do you know what "natural born citizen" means? It's pretty easy to look up.


NancyGracesTesticles

Yes. It is either a jus sanguinis or jus soli citizen.


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

Conservatives: "Well...unless they're from the *wrong* side of Europe, that is....."


NFRNL13

Canadians have horse cops that are freaking iconic


PublicThis

RCMP, lol


Isopod-Which

60,000 ... lol


BlueButYou

Yeah, this argument is stupid because it doesn’t give the number from the southern border. According to the internet it’s 11 million total. So, in thousands, there’s 11,000 total, and 60 from Canada. The southern border is smaller, so it’s easier to build a wall, and would stop exponentially more people. The argument in this post is extremely poor.


Isopod-Which

Agreed. It's a false equivalency. 60k is a drop in the bucket, and most are from overstayed visas, which a wall wouldn't prevent. Not a lot of Canadians rushing the US border. To insinuate that the concern at the southern border is fueled by racism is either lazy thinking or good ol race baiting.


SnooTigers7333

No we do call for a wall, we want to keep the mericans out


Haust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS-4y7YAulM


Admiral_AKTAR

Used to work at Niagara Falls State Park and I had a visitor often ask me why there wasn't a border wall between Ontario and NYS. I said there wasn't any need because of the rivers, gorge, rapids and two great lakes between us. Most accepted this answer but one man had the idea we needed to build a wall because illegals would cross the falls using barrels... I got reported to my boss for calling him a dumb ass.


MorboTheMasticator

Most of them are shitty geese that need to stay in their own fukn country!


ackthpt

10.5 million vs 60k? This is silly.


doc_witt

I've tried calling immigration on my suspected Canadian neighbor. I can't prove it but something is amiss. He's really friendly and has a moose parked in his garage instead of a car....🤨


Bluefenix32

Why in the name of Christ, Buda and Darth Vader would a canadian move to the USA?


notacanuckskibum

Usually for love. Sometimes for a job. Also to avoid winter, though snowbirds usually come back in the summer to retain their health care eligibility.


DMan9797

Aren’t we comparing Apple to oranges because the orders of scale of illegal immigration along the southern border are significantly larger than the Canadian one?


02K30C1

The number one way illegal immigrants come to the US is by overstaying a visa. Illegal border crossings are just a fraction of that.


sash71

This. They don't make anywhere near the same amount of fuss about visa overstayers. I wonder why?


conancat

Visa overstayers likely already have jobs working for their bosses and are already contributing to the country by paying taxes. Business owners will complain if they come for their workers. Who's gonna want to be exploited by their capitalist masters and do all these cheap labour work? Illegal border crossing is the easier immigrant bogeyman story. They haven't done anything, in fact they literally haven't done anything wrong. But they can make life as difficult for them as possible. Cruelty is the point. > A foreign national who seeks asylum in the United States may do so either affirmatively or defensively.[4] An affirmative asylum seeker is physically present in the United States. **This person must apply for asylum within one year of his arrival in the United States.[5] He may be undocumented, living in the United States without status, or may have entered the U.S. on a visa which will soon expire.[6]**


Xillos

Because at least they are then documented and there is information to get In touch with them vs. being an undocumented ghost.


inchbwigglet

I haven't checked anyone's numbers here, but that would just be comparing apples to fewer apples.


DMan9797

Turns out to be 7.4M illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America vs 60,000 Canadians, or 123x more. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US We can’t possibly act surprised when people are more concerned about addressing the southern border vs northern if you are inclined to care about illegal immigration significantly.


Wasteland_Mystic

How many of those came over with a Visa and were denied requests to renew them under Trump’s Administration? Imagine living in the US for years and years on work visa. Every year you renew it without issue. You have a job, car, belongings, maybe own a home, etc. Then in comes this spay-tan racist asshat who plagiarized all his speech’s from Mein Kampft. He talks about how there are “good immigrants” living here legally and BAD immigrants crossing the border illegally. Well you obviously are one of the good ones. But then when you go to renew your visa it is rejected because of new policies just put in place. You are given 6 months to move out of the US. Even worse, because of cutbacks and delays at the post office you lost 2 months of that because of the paperwork being delayed. How many years has it been since you’ve been to your country of origin. Do you have enough money to move? Etc. The Trump Administration inflated their undocumented immigrant numbers by making many legal immigrants into illegal through changes to the immigration policy. It is a GOP/Trump manufactured crisis.


WangnanJahad

And yet, as has been pointed out to you, and ignored by you, a significant number of those are due to overstayed visas. A wall isn't going to stop that.


Resolute002

These are people who think every person they see speaking spanish and looking stereotypically Mexican are "illegal." That is the real reason it is thought of as such a scary problem scale-wise -- white immigrants blend in. To be a true comparison you'd have to compare the response to the southern border, to the response to literally all the other methods. None of which are even close in scale or severity. There could be a million canadians here. Nobody is going to demand their children be imprisoned.


BlueButYou

Same with the north. The ratio is probably even worse when you take that into account.


conancat

Your source is talking about unauthorized population, not illegal border crossing. People who aren't counted as part of the population are already here. They can be here via legal tourist visas then just overstay their visa, that's actually how most of these immigrants enter the country, not through border crossing. The ones who had to cross the borders illegally are the ones who literally had no other choice and it's their last option. It's just pure cruelty to want to make life even harder for them than it already is. Like how shameful it is for the richest country in the world that keeps talking about them being the greatest country in the world treat people at their doorsteps like this.


poilk91

Isn't OP talking about the same type of thing from Canada? It's the proper number to use for comparison if the 60k from Canada also includes visa overstays


Getoff_My_Lon_Cheney

A big part of it is also the sheer hubris of looking at a Canadian passport and saying "y'all be good" and letting them enter the country. Every time I go to the U.S., I think "I could just stay here and nobody would ever question it."


ShereKhann

It’s kind of like two different situations resulted in two different policies. That’s crazy


Killikaros27

This, people need to understand that most immigrants that crossed illegally had literally no other choice unless they wanted to watch their family starve slowly or die from a disease they would never have had the the money to buy medicine for. It's not like they fantasize about coming to America so fucking Karen can complain about her tacos not having enough meat, while they face discrimination sometimes from their own people who forgot where their parents came from.


Isopod-Which

The vast majority have good intentions, agreed. It's a terrible situation, but there are a lot of people in the world in even worse conditions. The US cannot be the saviors of humanity. The American people donate massive amounts to charity but who knows how much that is helping in the long term.


Proper-Prize7651

WCGW if the one of the wealthiest countries in the world had no limit to the amount people in poverty it allowed into a country with enough welfare programs to live off of with no job? Granted it wouldn’t be a lavish life, but you could definitely live off welfare in the us as a parent - WICK, Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicare..etc..etc There obv HAS to be a limit. Even on your side of the argument I don’t think you’d be willing to say it’s an unlimited amount. So you just have to walk your standpoint back to the number of impoverished people you think the country could sustain. How many do you think?


FreebornManoftheYUSA

>Your source is talking about unauthorized population, not illegal border crossing. People who aren't counted as part of the population are already here. People cross the border for all kinds of reasons. Anecdotes you could pull up aside, you honestly have no clue why anyone would cross. The idea that a national border shouldn't be enforced at all simply because of >The ones who had to cross the borders illegally are the ones who literally had no other choice and it's their last option. It's just pure cruelty to want to make life even harder for them than it already is. People cross the border for all kinds of reasons. Anecdotes you could pull up aisde, you honestly have no clue why anyone would cross. The idea that a national border shouldn't be enforced at all simply because you feel that those people 'literally have no other option' is not a very compelling argument.


gtg930r

Eh. Not really. I mean, according to certain groups in this country, illegal immigration is illegal immigration. So why shouldn't they be concerned about invaders from the north. Especially because they all have socialist ideas like the fact that they're used to universal healthcare.


ycpa68

The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here.


HeWhoHerpedTheDerp

Shatner is a double alien, having just re-invaded us from space.


Polymemnetic

>They walk among us >Alex Trebek Oh, shit, is Zombie Trebek up to hosting Jeopardy again? It'd put an end to this shitshow of finding his replacement.


Resolute002

I don't know. Maybe someone else white have an answer?


Isopod-Which

I don't think that there would be concern about invaders from the south either if it was in the same numbers.


resilienceisfutile

Not sure if many want to leave Canada outright though legally or illegally. I have family an hour and a half's drive away in the states and as nice as it is with cheap gas, cheap food, easy access to firearms, and some really good medical care on the planet... well, there isn't a rush to move there and give up the single-payer healthcare, subsidized post secondary education, and other perks of Canadian life. It is always nice to visit and just sort of come back home knowing there are differences, but the rest of the lifestyle, opportunities, and conveniences in comparison are pretty small.


Appropriate-Big-8086

If Republicans cared about illegal immigration they would have attempted to deal with the source of the problem, the businesses that hire them. But they never will. This is because Republicans WANT illegal immigrants here, but only as illegals without rights. Illegals won't make trouble if the boss abuses them. Illegals won't unionize. Illegals won't report workplace accidents. Wake up.


Trick-Requirement370

All the 9/11 terrorists came in through the Canadian border


notacanuckskibum

This is not true https://www.fairus.org/issue/national-security/identity-and-immigration-status-911-terrorists


Trick-Requirement370

Ah, Fairus the hate group organization that is HIGHLY biased with their studies. CIS is the other one that racists love to quote to falsify and skew data to fit their narrative. This is not a reliable source whatsoever.


ScatMoerens

Why is it apples to oranges when the topic is illegal boarder crossings? It is the same, so I would ask a few questions and keep some things in mind when you talk about illegal boarder crossings... -What is the number of illegal boarder crossings vs the number overstayed visas? -Seeking asylum is not part of the illegal boarder crossing because seeking asylum is not illegal. -Since having secure boarders is so important, why is the northern boarder not getting a wall or patrols of its own? The southern boarder always has, and continues to be more of a race a culture issue than a national security issue.


FreebornManoftheYUSA

>\-What is the number of illegal boarder crossings vs the number overstayed visas? In **July of 2021 alone**, there were 217,672 encounters along the southern border. [https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-july-2021-operational-update](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-july-2021-operational-update) Overstaying visas may be a bigger problem and let's not pretend people don't address that but the *specific issue* of border crossing along the US Mexico border vastly overwhelms the amount of Canadians in the US as well as overstaying VISAs. The fact that most illegal border crossers are apprehended and thus those people never get included in the statistics of people in the country illegally doesn't change that illegal border crossings from Mexico is actually a major issue.


xander5512

As a Canadian, this is fucking stupid.


Beneficial_Squash-96

How many undocumented Americans live in Canada?


nongph

And how many US citizens are undocumented in Canada?


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Resolute002

The assumption is not that they are all white, but that enough of them are that they get a pass, which is true.


Hoysauce2

60 thousand living here versus millions coming over the south border? Now, I think all immigration should be legal and that anyone should be able to come here but this is just dumb.


DribCC

Just form a construction stance. We can drill oil for the ocean floor but can’t put up a 20ft chain link fence in a desert!? PS: fuck the wall


flibbidygibbit

There's a part of Silicon Valley that touches on this.


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Clearly we need to mobilize!


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I don't disagree with you that this is true for the idiots that think a wall would accomplish anything, but this is not a strong argument. You are comparing caring about 60,000 undocumented immigrants from the north, to caring about 10,000,000 undocumented immigrants from the south. Any effort to prevent illegal border crossings in the north would likely prevent over 100 times more illegal border crossings in the south (this is of course ignoring that half the illegal immigrants crossed the border legally and just outstayed their visa). I would call anyone a fool to put as much effort in the north as they do in the south.


notacanuckskibum

A reminder that ignoring nationality there are more illegal aliens in the USA due to visa overstays than illegal border crossings.


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Is there a reliable source for this claim? I want to share it, but I want to be able to prove it.


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thebearbearington

It's millions of them!!! I know those gooses are just Canadians in costume!!


DJZbad93

60,000? That’s like 10 days of crossings at the southern border. Maybe it’s just a volume thing…


SkullLeader

When Canada sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing maple syrup. They’re bringing that strange meat they call bacon. They’re ice skaters. And some, I assume, are good people.


banana_hammock_815

I live near Chicago which has the 2nd highest Polish population in the world. #1 is Warsaw Poland. That means we have more Polish people than every city in Poland except for 1. Do you think people in my area are bitching about "these damn Polish people taking our jobs"? NOPE! they're posting shit about Mexicans and Africans.


memecoroniandcheese

I agree, all borders matter. That is why we should put a wall and enforce immigration on the Canadian border as well. No one should be allowed In the US illegally


StrycNyneD9

So honest question here.. How do we know there's 60k undocumented Canadians if their undocumented?


Duckssquared

I could not agree with this more. What I will say however, is that the number of undocumented immigrants from Canada is dwarfed by the number of undocumented immigrants from other countries, and that is all people who get worked up about immigrants see. Again, I think those on that side of the argument are fueled by racism, and I think immigrants from everywhere, regardless of how they got here, help to enrich the US. Source: [https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unauthorized%20Immigrant%20Population%20Estimates%20in%20the%20US%20January%202014\_1.pdf](https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unauthorized%20Immigrant%20Population%20Estimates%20in%20the%20US%20January%202014_1.pdf)


Speed_Grouchy

I read somewhere that there's nearly 11 million illegals in the U.S. so 60,000 Canadians is small number in overall picture. Congress gave up on solving complex immigration issues decades ago probably best left unsolved in order to provide needed cheap labor and wedge issue for political purposes.


fbritt5

I'm thinking that Canadians might have some visible signs of support, don't need to be taken care of by the state and most likely have jobs or even solid careers. I would be fine if the immigrants from the south or anywhere actually, had some of the same stuff most likely these terrible (you assume white) Canadians have. Are all Canadians white? You must know something I don't.


naliedel

I'm on the Canadian Border, in Michigan, off Lake Erie. We have a large ICE presence. I always suspected it was to keep us in. And they don't do a thing about those illegal geese! (Sarcasm)


SnooHesitations8599

60000 undocumented Canadian immigrants huh? And if they aren't documented then how are you getting that number? Also the difference is that most of these undocumented Canadian immigrants as you called them aren't coming here too smuggle drugs or weapons back to their country, however, it has been proven that Hispanic immigrants often do amuggle drugs and weapons, not all, but a large majority.


AllMightyWiznerd

So help me out, the hypocrisy of this post has me pondering what a racist it. Let us discuss the wall factor first. The boundary between The United States and Canada is significantly bigger than the boundary between The United States and Mexico, so if we can’t even complete a wall on that boarder in what logical sense does it make that we would have a completed wall on the much bigger border side. It’s pretty strange to me that the creditor of this post assume there are no militarize presence or law enforcement of any kinda on the The United States and Canadian border. There most differently is, now I give it to you, there may be a fewer amount of military/ law enforcement personal on the United States and Canadian Boarder. But to say there is none is completely wrong. One could actually make the argument that the creator of this post is raciest to assume there’s no military/ law enforcement presence on the United States’ and Canadian border. Clearly you did not do your research and just assumed based on your own racial views that only people of the coming out of the Mid and South Americas need patrolling. Also don’t understand why you had to place the “ cops on horseback” line in there. What is the difference in being apprehended while sneaking into anywhere illegally by a cop on horse back or a cop in a ATV, Truck, Van, you get the idea. I realized that you more than likely trying to target a certain group of law enforcement officers by doing this. Not sure why though. Maybe to spread more hate but how does spreading more hate actually combat real hatred in this world ? Feel free to try to change my understanding.


Dear-Deer-Wife-Life

OK good point Refutation : about half the undocumented immigrants are Mexican, so about 5 million, so not everything is about racism. https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-many-undocumented-immigrants-are-in-the-united-states-and-who-are-they/ also the Canadian population is very well educated compared to Mexican so that might also be a factor.


Robthebold

https://youtu.be/qMkYlIA7mgw


honeymustard_dog

I'm a huge supporter of "none of this land belongs to anyone, let's live and let live" but I hate these memes as much as the rights memes. Its misleading and damages the cause.. 60k out of 11 million. 7.5mil are from central and South America, 68% of the undocumented immigrants. This is as much about biggest impact for resource use as anything else. Again, bring em on! If you want to come here, please do! I love people trying to better their lives❤ I just hate crappy misleading memes


Flux_State

There's a strong component of Religious discrimination as well. White Anglo Saxon Protestants don't much care for Catholics of any race moving into the US.


Mrtoad-52

Speaking for all Canadians. We will build that wall if you want. We will even pay for it.


ryhaltswhiskey

I'm kind of fascinated by your username


Ok_Intention3541

Let the Inuit start coming over and the rednecks will pony up.


Yitram

And a similar number of undocumented Irish. But again, same thing, no ICE raids in Boston.


Worldly_Neck_4626

Not sure if the sure if this is the best pint we’ve made, there are several million more undocumented immigrants that came in from the south border


Kiwi_Nibbler

And 22,000,000 that came in from the south and suck resources


a-snakey

Racist Americans: Yea but they speak english and are white!


BdubinVegas

It’s because Canadians are so polite.


TimeytheSissy

Because the Canadians overstay their visas they don't typically attempt to walk across the border illegally. One is preventable the through stronger border security the other is solvable by keeping good documents of the people that have visas and checking to make sure they make their date to leave the country


sheboygan_

It's more about the drugs brought from Mexico too. Canadian smuggling isn't nearly as much as an issue as Mexican drug smuggling. The wall wasn't built for just restricting immigration


OldWhoFan

Are you saying we need to start patrolling to keep out the illegal aliens from the north as well as the south?


Fantastic-Refuse4823

Its about african citizens going to mexico to enter the us


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

There are also an estimated 200,000 people living in the United States illegally from Viet Nam. So....does that mean we should start building a wall between the United States and Viet Nam? "Sea Wall! Sea Wall! Sea Wall!!!!11!!1!"


etetepete

It's about money. People in Canada are richer than people in south america, thats why therw is a different migration dynamic going on. It's easy to have open borders with rich countries, contrary to poor countries. Thats why the european Schengen Area only includes relatively rich countries. Calling it racism is objectively incorrect.


Yes-ITz-TeKnO--

Most Canadians are Shape-shifting goose chillout bro