At least I don't pay taxes
By - O_Barbosa
"You want to be safe from the government so you became a stupid government" - Some drunk cartoon character
"I'm a Rick. And so were the rest of you!"
Taxes are a road subscription
Not a very good one
California roads are a lot better than a lot of other states I've been in.
You wholly missed the point he's making
no i didnt. im stating my own.
And they're still better than whatever dystopian fucking nightmare we'd be in if Apple owned half our roads.
Do you mean *gasp* functional roads!
You're gonna have to pay $300 for a little transponder device that pings each light pole to let it know not to fine you extra since you're a subscriber. The transponder never works right and is designed to completely fail in less than a year and the roads are still shit because what the fuck does apple know about roads?
Shit take centrist
Apple not knowing roads, apple's proven devotion to planned obsolescence and overcharging for trash, or the part where you just didn't like it?
I'm guessing you are an Android person? Same.
I mean compared to their competitors, apple beats most of them in terms of long term support. Phones? They’re the only company to have broken the 4 year support window. Most stop at 2. Apple has a 7 year old phone on their current mobile OS. Computers? Well last year I would’ve said Windows supports computers longer by a few years but windows 11 is making 4 year old cpus/motherboards obsolete in some cases. Dell has a 3 year warranty at most and generally doesnt have any fallback. Same with HP. Outside of 3rd party repairs, you’re screwed if something breaks. That’s good from a cost standpoint that third parties generally know how to work with stuff, assuming it’s not soldered on. However there’s risk in terms of knowledge. It’s like taking your car to a mechanic, do you go to a dealership mechanic or vip or joe schmoe’s wrench monkey shop? Apple is the only company with genuine in person repair stores that are first party.
Guys I live on a private road, it's not like this at all 😂
Everyone always thinks McRoad Inc. is just going to take over but most private roads around me are co-ops, jointly owned and maintained by community associations.
Yeah, and private roads are generally small.
Ain't no community co-op going to maintain i-95.
Left arguing against co-ops. What.
Co-ops are fine, but I don't think they can solve problems like interstate highways.
I don't think they should. I am anti-highway.
not arguing against coops, but that the privatization of highways will obviously *not* lead to coops.
Community associations are essentially local governments, so in a way it's still publicly owned. There's not much fundamentally different between a community of 50 associating to jointly have a road built vs a town of 5,000 voting to have a road built.
Nah bruh, you got it all wrong.
You choose to contract with a POA and you can leave if you want. All of the decisions *exclusively* affect the property owned by the members; there is no situation where we could choose to vote on something that would impact the next little cluster of settlements over just because we have the numbers. Also it's way more participatory than any incorporated town/city I have ever lived in, basically nothing happens unless everyone agrees. People have to make compromises and actually get along with each other, as opposed to just getting 50%(+1) and then dictating how rest are going to live. We have fees too (agreed to by contract), but the transparency and role everyone can play in purchasing decisions is unparalleled next to any city government.
Sounds like a very nice democracy, I want this
If potholes became non existent and the roads were ALWAYS plowed before 6am, sign me the fuck up.
Side note, I don't know what the fuck New Hampshire is doing but all of their major roads always seem to be in immaculate condition.
New Hampshire manages to have great road conditions despite having no income tax and no sales tax.
Let this be a lesson to you, other states!
It is all that property tax I guess ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
But seriously, I feel like they can repave 25 miles of highway in a weekend.
He'll just buy a helicopter™!
My driveway is literally connected to a runway. I aint paying no car registration tax!!!!
Believe me, I know all about the FAA. The hoops I have to jump through are ridiculous.
>What are you going to do, connect your driveway to a different road?
Easiest thing would be tolls everywhere.
One of the "hippie" (it was green something) books I had to read, they argued tolls and paid parking was the best way to fund roads as they only charge the people who use the roads.
Of course this was assuming good public transportation, easy walkability/biking, etc.
>Of course this was assuming good public transportation, easy walkability/biking, etc.
Welp throw that out for the US. Government was incentivized to force us to need cars.
And how exactly is that better than just paying taxes?
Same here - if taxes actually went where they are supposed to go there would be a lot fewer librights agitating about taxes.
Government: "We need to raise taxes to improve the roads!"
Government one year later: "We didn't fix the roads last year because we blew your taxes on other crap, but since the roads still need to be fixed we're raising taxes again."
*repeat every year until the heat-death of the universe*
True story in my home town:
1986: We're adding an expo center to our arena, here's a 1% tax on restaurants.
2002: Time to renovate the arena, here's an extra .5% tax on restaurants.
Me: Haven't we paid for that arena expansion yet? When does that tax go away?
2021: Our mayor wants to add an additional 1% tax on restaurants to help pay for "future development projects."
I agree. Well, you know us lefties \*love\* taxes, but they need to go to the proper places.
I wonder what happens if corpos have a monopoly on roads. Can't exactly chose which road to get from point A to point B when there's only one road eh?
It's pretty easy, the tech and infrastructure are already there. At least in my area, toll roads have no cash option (NH does but I bet it will be gone shortly). You either get a transponder or they take a picture of your licence plate then send you a bill. Apply that tech everywhere and there you go.
Then apps like Waze will implement an option to plot the "cheapest" route.
google maps already has a option to dodge toll roads.
That wasn't his point. What's stopping them from overcharging? Roads are a natural monopoly where competition can't be relied upon. Private roads would be about as good as ISPs are right now. Which is to say .. pretty horrible.
I think toll roads and private contracts are fine, don't get me wrong, but there still needs a municipality to manage it.
Andrew Carnegie wrote about how competition still happens with new railroad lines in the 1880s in "The Bugaboo of Trusts". Roads are nothing when we have competition in getting to the moon.
Mostly the fact that more than one company will own roads and that there’s already multiple ways to get to a location? If Road Corp charges 50$ for an pass and Asphaltia Inc charges 40$, and the roads are the same quality, then people will switch to Asphaltia, and then Road Corp will either make even better roads to bring back customers or will lower prices to match Asphaltia.
> there’s already multiple ways to get to a location?
If you're lucky. It's not like we can bulldoze black neighborhoods to build highways anymore.
>It's not like we can bulldoze black neighborhoods to build highways anymore.
Yeah we can. Eminent Domain is still a thing.
A libright wanting the government to take people's land?
I don't like it. It is the way it is.
It would be a political non starter in this day and age
But asphaltia and road corp can conspire to keep prices high (SEE; Texas Railway Commission, Beef Trust, OPEC)
Two words. Rural Area
Then you get deplatformed by all payment processors. Then what?
When I said no cash option, I didn't mean you can't pay cash, you just can't pay the toll at the booth like you used to (there are no more "booths"). You can still mail cash in. With the transponder you have a "pool" of money that it draws from and you can mail a cash or checks in to refill it.
Buy a helicopter. Don't have to worry about roads at that point.
How many truck loads of bananas is a Helicopter worth?
I’d say 3 for a decent one, 5 if you want a big one
> If potholes became non existent and the roads were ALWAYS plowed before 6am
They won't, that would cut into profits.
I think you don't understand how a profit maximizing business works.
What they will do is find the point were they can maintain the bare minimum and then pay the lowest bid to maintain it. Make you sign a biding no fault of injury waiver for using their roads and then charge what ever price you are willing to pay but still use the service. You will be pissed but you will still pay.
When the roads go to shit and ten maintenance company causes a fuck up because they cut corners the people in charge get off Scott free.
is this supposed to be a slight?
you do realize you are basically subsidizing business that utilize roads WAY more than you do? everyone should pay per use.
Exactly. If it didn't take the government 3 years to widen a 2km stretch of road from 2 to 4 lanes while spending millions more than was necessary I would be more pro-tax.
think about this one too. You ever seen those stupid machines that literally sit there and count traffic by having someone stretch a pneumatic line over the road which tallies cars as they roll over the lines?
That stupid machine would have no reason in a private society. Use rates of traffic through an area could be calculated with a fucking spreadsheet doing simple division of tolls. There are so many things people take for granted as part of the world that only exist because of the madness of calculation problems in central socialized services.
It's when I realized that that I stopped being libertarian and started being anarchist
I do pay my road subscription though, I take the toll roads 99% of the time and I never regret a single penny I spend on it
It's as I've always said, the market would compensate with flying cars if the airspace wasn't regulated as much as it is. I'm half joking, but only half
We have had flying cars since the 30s. Theyre called airplanes. They were affordable until the 1980s. Airspace isnt too regulated, the aircraft are. A middle class american family could buy a new Cessna in the 1960s. Now, a new cessna is like $500,000
“You hated the stupid goverment so much, that you became a stupid goverment”
Best summarization of ancaps
A day in Ancapistan™©
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
I would gladly drive off road all the time if the police wouldn't pester me about it.
Happy cake day
This is totally not how government taxes work btw /s
you mean taxes?
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I cannot tell what you are trying to say. Can you repeat pls?
i hate ancaps
based and not capse pilled
Libright sure loves those broken roads
Remember folks, asking “who would build the roads” is asking the wrong question. The opportunity the market would need to solve for is “transportation”; roads are the government solution, and it’s not a good one. They are cost inefficient to build AND maintain, never on time, dangerous to workers, and a major cause of death to civilians.
What’s the alternative oh wise one
Dunno, but that’s my point. One person, myself or otherwise, isn’t very likely to come up with the optimal solution for anything. Similarly, a committee or cabinet or department probably won’t either. But the entire population of entrepreneurs, trying their ideas and succeeding or failing based on what works for the most people, might.
Most people haven’t thought of a new way to transport aside from roads because there’s no need. Roads work. When they don’t, planes, trains, and boats do.
Well yeah they are there and I’m forced to pay for them, and while they work (dangerously and inefficiently) there’s no hole for the market to fill. But if the government stopped building and maintaining roads and bridges tomorrow, we wouldn’t all just stand on opposite sides of rivers staring at each other blankly.
Taxes: $120 y/r
Road Subscription: $5 month cancel anytime
Do do do
I saw some dude fill his truck up with offroad diesel and proceed to the road it was so funny
Japan is like this. While surface streets are government owned, the expressways are all private. Pavement is in perfect condition, signage is clear and well-maintained, rest areas are immaculately clean at worst and overtly fancy at best, and there are few cops so you can get away with speeding. They are also hilariously expensive, a trip from Tokyo to Osaka (500km) being over $100 in tolls.
Still cheaper than taxes
I remember when I was returning home from the military, I took the scenic route to visit a lot of my friends across the country. I had just left Fairfield after visiting a friend stationed at Travis AFB and the whole trip I had my GPS set to "avoid toll roads". Well I just happened to get led to one and by the time I realized, it was too late. I don't carry cash or change so the guy told me I could pay online. This was in 2013 and I still haven't paid that fine.
[I fucking wish that was a joke.](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobro_electr%C3%B3nico_de_peajes#Chile)
Tolls are a way better way of paying for roads than gas taxes and registration fees.
Damn... Here I am paying both tolls and taxes like an absolute chump! You're telling me some people only have to pay one or the other?
Lol, you say that like you don't already have a monthly subscription to Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, and Dave Rubin.